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2020-11-29 2:47:14 PM  
Boo hoo. Welcome to our world.
 
2020-11-29 3:00:51 PM  
So wait, he is claiming that even though three people working on the same campaign were convicted of federal crimes the absence of evidence on him constitutes illegal surveillance?

Isn't that the point, to obtain a FISA warrant with probable cause to keep an eye on a shady organization?  I mean, 75% success in a single operation isn't terrible but IANAL so maybe my lay view isn't correct.
 
2020-11-29 3:25:51 PM  

medicalmiracle: So wait, he is claiming that even though three people working on the same campaign were convicted of federal crimes the absence of evidence on him constitutes illegal surveillance?

Isn't that the point, to obtain a FISA warrant with probable cause to keep an eye on a shady organization?  I mean, 75% success in a single operation isn't terrible but IANAL so maybe my lay view isn't correct.


Seemingly you need to have evidence of guilt before you can look for evidence of guilt
 
2020-11-29 3:36:13 PM  
Good luck with that. Billy Barr isn't going to have your back, Old Son.
 
2020-11-29 3:53:17 PM  

Gubbo: medicalmiracle: So wait, he is claiming that even though three people working on the same campaign were convicted of federal crimes the absence of evidence on him constitutes illegal surveillance?

Isn't that the point, to obtain a FISA warrant with probable cause to keep an eye on a shady organization?  I mean, 75% success in a single operation isn't terrible but IANAL so maybe my lay view isn't correct.

Seemingly you need to have evidence of guilt before you can look for evidence of guilt


Got it.  That makes WAY more sense.
 
2020-11-29 4:13:06 PM  
Any "vindication" under Barr's DOJ is suspect. But it will all get aired out in court so that will be fun.
 
2020-11-29 5:19:03 PM  

edmo: Any "vindication" under Barr's DOJ is suspect. But it will all get aired out in court so that will be fun.


Let's hope he hires The Donald's merry band of lawyers.
 
2020-11-29 5:38:09 PM  
Wait till he runs into the qualified immunity doctrine that the right likes so much when it is protecting rogue cops.
 
2020-11-29 5:38:57 PM  

vudukungfu: Boo hoo. Welcome to our world.


I wonder what Barr's cut will be after he orders DOJ to settle?
 
2020-11-29 5:39:22 PM  
Once Biden's DoJ looks under the proverbial bed, assholes like Page and the Trump family will flee the country and claim a witch hunt.

Good.
 
2020-11-29 5:39:40 PM  

edmo: Any "vindication" under Barr's DOJ is suspect. But it will all get aired out in court so that will be fun.


Like the Tea Party groups IRS settlements.  That was a bunch of crap.
 
2020-11-29 5:39:41 PM  
I'm not real clear what they're suing over. He wasn't prosecuted.
 
2020-11-29 5:40:17 PM  
Carter, you may have run into the statute of limitations on this one. That FISA warrant was executed five or six years ago now.

Yep, you're SOL.
 
2020-11-29 5:41:39 PM  
"President? Foolish, faceless man; my campaign is a farce. A small part of a much grander scheme. President... do you know how much power I'd have togive up to be President? That's right, conspiracy buff. I spent 75 million dollars on afake Presidential campaign, all just to tick Superman off."

- Lex Luthor, Justice League Unlimited, "Question Authority"

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2020-11-29 5:42:23 PM  
Was this nobody/wannabe ever indicted? No?
Then he should just fark off and count himself lucky, or not.
 
2020-11-29 5:42:57 PM  
Have fun in discovery.
 
2020-11-29 5:44:23 PM  

Gubbo: medicalmiracle: So wait, he is claiming that even though three people working on the same campaign were convicted of federal crimes the absence of evidence on him constitutes illegal surveillance?

Isn't that the point, to obtain a FISA warrant with probable cause to keep an eye on a shady organization?  I mean, 75% success in a single operation isn't terrible but IANAL so maybe my lay view isn't correct.

Seemingly you need to have evidence of guilt before you can look for evidence of guilt


That is indeed the claim that they make:
Page's attorney Leslie McAdoo Gordon wrote in the filed complaint."Since not a single proven fact ever established complicity with Russia involving Dr. Page, there never was probable cause to seek or obtain the FISA Warrants targeting him on this basis."
 
2020-11-29 5:47:51 PM  

Gubbo: medicalmiracle: So wait, he is claiming that even though three people working on the same campaign were convicted of federal crimes the absence of evidence on him constitutes illegal surveillance?

Isn't that the point, to obtain a FISA warrant with probable cause to keep an eye on a shady organization?  I mean, 75% success in a single operation isn't terrible but IANAL so maybe my lay view isn't correct.

Seemingly you need to have evidence of guilt before you can look for evidence of guilt


Well. Law enforcement officers do need some evidence of wrongdoing to get a warrant to further investigate (or in the case of an emergent crime, some probable cause). But that's a much lower bar than the amount needed for an indictment, which is lower than the amount needed for a conviction (though optimally, they aren't indicting unless there is enough for a conviction). So, they almost certainly had enough suspicious activity on Page's part to warrant the warrant, as was more or less acknowledged by the IG investigation, iirc.
 
2020-11-29 5:48:36 PM  
More stupid lawsuits are coming out
 
2020-11-29 5:49:24 PM  
Attention whore is whoring for attention again.

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2020-11-29 5:49:55 PM  
Sure thing buddy.  Let's go to discovery and see what they show.
 
2020-11-29 5:51:01 PM  
"We wouldn't have listened in on your phone calls if you hadn't call Russian spys."
 
2020-11-29 5:57:16 PM  
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2020-11-29 5:58:40 PM  

Gubbo: medicalmiracle: So wait, he is claiming that even though three people working on the same campaign were convicted of federal crimes the absence of evidence on him constitutes illegal surveillance?

Isn't that the point, to obtain a FISA warrant with probable cause to keep an eye on a shady organization?  I mean, 75% success in a single operation isn't terrible but IANAL so maybe my lay view isn't correct.

Seemingly you need to have evidence of guilt before you can look for evidence of guilt


Well, if the subject is Republican. If the subject is a Democrat a lack of evidence of guilt is proof of a cover up and guilt.
 
2020-11-29 5:59:55 PM  
If only there were an article with more information available. You have to document your suspicions as to why you need a warrant, aka probable cause, as a reason for starting an investigation. These were submitted with inaccuracies and apparent falsification, to the extent that 2 of 4 were invalidated.

Yes you need *some* reason to spy on citizens. But the case here is that FISA essentially operates on the honor system, and that finding evidence justifies the warrant. Which is a very Republican way of doing business. In a decent country this would lead to reforms where a neutral third party would also review the submissions before the rubber stamp, effectively an advocate for the target.

The claim that nothing was found, therefore it was invalid, will go nowhere. A claim of submission in bad faith or something like it will be interesting. Ultimately you have 2 good claims, but does that throw out some of the evidence?
 
2020-11-29 6:00:08 PM  
Did anyone explain to him that he has opened himself up to discovery and he can be compelled to answer questions under oath?
 
2020-11-29 6:06:21 PM  

Befuddled: Did anyone explain to him that he has opened himself up to discovery and he can be compelled to answer questions under oath?


Oh, he'll drop this mess once the DOJ isn't controlled by Billy. I'm only surprised that Barr didn't fast-track it to a settlement already.
 
2020-11-29 6:06:55 PM  
Page was one of the first four people the Bureau identified as possible suspects during the opening days of the "Crossfire Hurricane" investigation


It never ceases to amuse me that they named the investigation after a Rolling STones song.  (well, OK, not a song per se but its still from Jumpin' Jack Flash.)
 
2020-11-29 6:06:57 PM  
This will be fun and I just bought a 12 pack of Popcorn ..
 
2020-11-29 6:09:34 PM  
Tossed by the first court that sees it in 3...2...
 
2020-11-29 6:10:35 PM  
This dipshiat has been a suspected Russian asset for years before his brief stint in the Trump campaign.

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Then the farko pretended he couldn't remember the names, places or meetings with Russian assets when questioned by the committee even though the FBI found meticulous notes he kept of his daily routines.
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A large portion of the Page section of the committee report is still redacted, so there is even more we don't this farko was up to. I encourage him to sue the FBI and DOJ, hopefully the Biden's DOJ will treat him as the farking Russian asset that he is and court will send him and his bullshiat lawsuit packing.
 
2020-11-29 6:18:11 PM  
Is there some way they can all lose?
 
2020-11-29 6:22:31 PM  
..."unlawful surveillance and investigation of him by the United States Government."

I love these asshats who think they are so special that merely investigating them for any wrongdoing is illegal. That's right up there with the sovereign citizen nonsense.
 
2020-11-29 6:31:07 PM  
Paid commentator + 2nd string book deal + local chamber of commerce in red state speaking honorarium grift ploy.
 
2020-11-29 6:32:54 PM  
I've got no problem dragging the Muller report back into the spotlight.
 
2020-11-29 6:36:42 PM  

yakmans_dad: I'm not real clear what they're suing over. He wasn't prosecuted.


He wasn't prosecuted, IRRC, because the Russians felt he was too stupid and useless to recruit him. And his time working for Trump wasn't his only run in with Russians. They did try and recruit him earlier. One Russian served prison time and the other fled back to Moscow.
 
2020-11-29 6:37:16 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: ..."unlawful surveillance and investigation of him by the United States Government."

I love these asshats who think they are so special that merely investigating them for any wrongdoing is illegal. That's right up there with the sovereign citizen nonsense.


DO YOU KNOW WHO HIS FATHER IS? DO YOU?
 
2020-11-29 6:40:07 PM  
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2020-11-29 6:40:42 PM  
Too Dumb to Treason: The Carter Page Story
 
2020-11-29 6:53:53 PM  
So what's going to be his excuse? "Yeah, I was being recruited by the Russians between 2003-2013, and they approached me again in 2015, but it was still wrong to surveil me because I'm such a jerk even the Russians couldn't use me?"
 
2020-11-29 7:02:27 PM  
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2020-11-29 7:04:10 PM  
You'll get nothing and like it you f***ing weirdo Russophile - you were dangerously close to being a Russian asset and you were too star struck to even realize. F***ing lightweight.
 
2020-11-29 7:12:20 PM  
75 mil?  He must have blown through all that money he made on The Goonies.
 
2020-11-29 7:25:14 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Attention whore is whoring for attention again.

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Yeah.   And this little Streisand effect coming so soon before a new DOJ that will not be Russia/Trump/Barr led seems especially dumb.

I had forgotten about this weird little freak until now.
 
2020-11-29 7:30:28 PM  
If you don't want the FBI to run a wire on you, don't become a Russian asset, you bellend.
 
2020-11-29 7:42:17 PM  

edmo: Any "vindication" under Barr's DOJ is suspect. But it will all get aired out in court so that will be fun.


Discovery will be a H00T!
Page: "I'm INNOCENT!"
FBI Suit-Drone: "Russian St00ge says what?" [Wheels in 15 YEARS of contact surveillance transcripts]
 
2020-11-29 8:02:24 PM  

DerpHerder: Too Dumb to Treason: The Carter Page Story


I have added a new word swap. Thank you.
 
2020-11-29 8:08:13 PM  
FTFA: "Since not a single proven fact ever established complicity with Russia involving Dr. Page, there never was probable cause to seek or obtain the FISA Warrants targeting him on this basis."

Uh...that's not how probable cause works.
 
2020-11-29 8:29:03 PM  
Immunity for government employees doing their jobs is a pretty big hurdle to overcome. If 2 of the 4 elements in the FISA applications were hunky-dory, I don't think the defendants are going to lose sleep over this.
 
2020-11-29 8:35:06 PM  
he looks like a camera-seeking worm. he's the kind of loser who has to put the advanced degree he shelled out for in his twitter handle as petty leverage. he's also never even been in the same room as a moist vagina.
 
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