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(Washington Post)   Protip: if you are preparing an audio book for an essay written by a Black woman, it's probably best to not hire a white guy using a fake, "minstrel-like" accent to narrate it   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-11-29 2:41:07 PM  
Some readers just pronounce words like they've never seen them in print before.

/ I just finished one where the narrator pronounced domain as dough-mean.
 
2020-11-29 3:02:50 PM  
What's going on this this thread?
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2020-11-29 3:22:54 PM  
This is entirely the fault of the editor, who provided a completely inappropriate story to the VO artist to record without any instructions on how to handle it. And he did so out of incompetent laziness, purely because it was easier to have one artist record all of the issue's stories instead of trying to match each story with an appropriate voice. The editor then doubled down on his absolute ineptitude by failing to listen to the recording before posting it. He owes the author much more than an apology, and in light of the fact that he's proven himself entirely incapable of actually producing the publication he's responsible for, should almost certainly step down from his position.
 
2020-11-29 3:45:06 PM  
Found a picture of the VO "artist."

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2020-11-29 4:09:26 PM  
Sometimes it's like they're not even trying. You know why that is? Because they're not even trying.
 
2020-11-29 5:26:08 PM  
Oh dear god, who the fark thinks this is a good idea.
 
2020-11-29 5:59:12 PM  
Something something blue-eyed soul band something.
 
2020-11-29 6:05:47 PM  
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jeeessuuuuusss
 
2020-11-29 6:14:18 PM  
*double facepalm*
 
2020-11-29 6:16:23 PM  
Ohhh lawdy lawdy lawdy.
 
2020-11-29 6:20:50 PM  
Honestly I feel like a good chunk of the fault here lies with the decision of the writer of the essay to try to write in poorly-pronounced words and shiat into the text directly with alternate spellings and abbreviations.

I'd probably have interpreted any essay with that title in a southern Louisiana accent, too; that's not just how most of the black people I know talk, it's... how half of my very, very white family talks.  Without explicit direction from the author and publisher, how was this dude supposed to farking know it was supposed to be in a more directly racial New York or Los Angeles "black" accent instead?

... the lion's share of the blame still goes to the editor, of course, because it's literally the editor's one and only job to coordinate these kinds of interactions and watch for shiat like this by reviewing the finished product.  That's, just... literally what "editing" is.
 
2020-11-29 6:21:15 PM  
All botched-up because he couldn't hear Clem Fandango.
 
2020-11-29 6:21:45 PM  
Not clicking on a WaPo article, but I like that the apologizing guy is named Defendini.
 
2020-11-29 6:28:09 PM  
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2020-11-29 6:34:46 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Honestly I feel like a good chunk of the fault here lies with the decision of the writer of the essay to try to write in poorly-pronounced words and shiat into the text directly with alternate spellings and abbreviations.

I'd probably have interpreted any essay with that title in a southern Louisiana accent, too; that's not just how most of the black people I know talk, it's... how half of my very, very white family talks.  Without explicit direction from the author and publisher, how was this dude supposed to farking know it was supposed to be in a more directly racial New York or Los Angeles "black" accent instead?

... the lion's share of the blame still goes to the editor, of course, because it's literally the editor's one and only job to coordinate these kinds of interactions and watch for shiat like this by reviewing the finished product.  That's, just... literally what "editing" is.


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2020-11-29 6:46:40 PM  
Hey Fireside Magazine...

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2020-11-29 6:52:16 PM  
Benedict Cumberbatch Can't Say 'Penguins' - The Graham Norton Show on BBC America
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2020-11-29 6:52:55 PM  
Maybe the VO artist took his cue from the book's title, ""Da Art of Speculatin'."
 
2020-11-29 6:55:01 PM  
"Da Art of Speculatin'," written by Regina N. Bradley

"We apologize for reading your minstrel writing in minstrel speech."
 
2020-11-29 7:08:54 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Honestly I feel like a good chunk of the fault here lies with the decision of the writer of the essay to try to write in poorly-pronounced words and shiat into the text directly with alternate spellings and abbreviations.

I'd probably have interpreted any essay with that title in a southern Louisiana accent, too; that's not just how most of the black people I know talk, it's... how half of my very, very white family talks.  Without explicit direction from the author and publisher, how was this dude supposed to farking know it was supposed to be in a more directly racial New York or Los Angeles "black" accent instead?

... the lion's share of the blame still goes to the editor, of course, because it's literally the editor's one and only job to coordinate these kinds of interactions and watch for shiat like this by reviewing the finished product.  That's, just... literally what "editing" is.


Bullshiat.
And bullshiat! to whoever smarted this too. "

Here is the opening of her essay:
"I'm a southern Black woman who stands in the long shadow of the Civil Rights Movement. Southern hip hop helped me navigate the contemporary Black South. When I gathered with friends, southern hip hop was the soundtrack. When I grieved my father, southern hip hop was my comfort. And, years after my initial transplanting into Albany, GA, it dawned on me that southern hip hop was the blueprint for understanding Black southernness in the post-Civil Rights era. Specifically, I found myself doing deeper and deeper dives into the music catalogue of OutKast, those two funkateers from Atlanta that offered innovative and dynamic musical redressing to the question of where and how the Black South positions itself in American culture...."

This is hilariously awful.
Reminds me of Eddie Murphey's "white guy" voice.
But that was for comedy.
 
2020-11-29 7:15:05 PM  
I wish we could all just stop linking to stories that require a subscription.
 
2020-11-29 7:24:53 PM  
This story is useless without audio.
 
2020-11-29 7:26:22 PM  
WTF
 
2020-11-29 7:28:03 PM  
 
2020-11-29 7:29:48 PM  

Klyukva: This story is useless without audio.


Not from this story, but sort of applicable.   Also, I would totally hire Ike Willis to narrate any book.
Prologue
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2020-11-29 7:37:37 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This is entirely the fault of the editor, who provided a completely inappropriate story to the VO artist to record without any instructions on how to handle it. And he did so out of incompetent laziness, purely because it was easier to have one artist record all of the issue's stories instead of trying to match each story with an appropriate voice. The editor then doubled down on his absolute ineptitude by failing to listen to the recording before posting it. He owes the author much more than an apology, and in light of the fact that he's proven himself entirely incapable of actually producing the publication he's responsible for, should almost certainly step down from his position.


So, maybe...it would depend on the publisher, as many of them handle the process differently. Whomever acquired the book for the publisher should've done their homework on the book and passed that onto casting.

The narrator should've raised a red flag, or better yet, read it straight. Not without using the tools of an actor, mind you, but without an accent.

Most importantly, the audio post-production team (proofer and/or editor) should've flagged this. I started in the audiobook business as a proofer, and I've had to send some pretty inappropriate character interpretations back to the narrator for rerecording. A delicate conversation to say the least, but even though I was low in the hierarchy, the managers listened. No way I was letting that nonsense out the door.

The narrator's job is to take the author and in turn the characters seriously. Younger narrators or actors newer to the business feel like they need to flaunt their voice skills. In the end, this is what you get: a narrator who not only distracts from the story, but who shiats all over it.
 
2020-11-29 7:53:01 PM  

BlackChickWhiteAccent: sirrerun: Found a picture of the VO "artist."

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Stupid book aside, that movie was a horrible, racist, embarrassment, and C. Thomas Howell should have quit acting, right then and there.

"White Chicks," I know, but it's one thing to make fun of how a bunch of entitled, rich, white "Beckies" behave, than it is to make fun of their skin color. That Howell character pretended to be black to get into college. And as 2020 has shown us, white folks with no academic, or athletic skills can get into the finest schools with no problem. Why would you make a fake ass movie like that? Y'all do it all the farking time.

And don't forget that "Kenyan born, Muslim socialist" so many of you mocked was admitted to Harvard under y'alls stupid, affirmative action rules. And yet he still became a constitutional lawyer, a professor, and farking President of the United States. He mops the floor with your farking privileged, entitled, average intelligence white boys named George W. Bush, and Donald J.Trump.

Affirmative action was created because y'all kept trying to close the door on our foot. Don't ever come at me with this bullshiat about you "couldn't go to the college of your dreams" because a "less talented" minority "took" your spot. That is a lie. You toss me one, I'll bring you a truckful of average white guys and girls who got an Ivy League degree. It was a white person who made that decision, not us. And blacks don't have hundreds of Ivy league buildings named after their rich ancestors, because only white folks can get their dumb kid into an ivy league just by building a farking gymnasium.

Trying to farking twist the narrative. Y'all invented affirmative action, because other folks who look just like you didn't want to give American minorities a fair chance. The Chinese learned from it, and called you out on your shiat by being both smart, and rich. Now who's whining about who " ...


putting contemparry social justice on movies made almost 40 years ago seems an odd hill to die on.
 
2020-11-29 8:06:38 PM  

urethra_franklin: Pocket Ninja: This is entirely the fault of the editor...

Most importantly, the audio post-production team (proofer and/or editor) should've flagged this. I started in the audiobook business as a proofer, and I've had to send some pretty inappropriate character interpretations back to the narrator for rerecording. A delicate conversation to say the least, but even though I was low in the hierarchy, the managers listened. No way I was letting that nonsense out the door.


I'm an audio engineer, and I edit audio books for a living.

You are not wrong, and in fact there can be a few checks in place, though I suppose that smaller publishers like this one may not have the luxury. In all likelihood, if this was professionally edited, it was done by a mill where quantity over quality is the goal. Some of the work I do involves re-editing books that were originally sent to these places "to save money." Most producers will listen to feedback from their editors, but in some cases it is ignored or never passed on for one reason or another. Beyond that, there is quality control and customer testing. Years ago when I was also doing a lot of QC, we ended up sending first Fifty Shades book back through the edit chain - the reader sounded way too young, so they pitched her voice down.

TL;DR - this should never have been heard by anyone outside of those involved in its production.
 
2020-11-29 8:17:21 PM  

Thunderboy: urethra_franklin: Pocket Ninja: This is entirely the fault of the editor...

Most importantly, the audio post-production team (proofer and/or editor) should've flagged this. I started in the audiobook business as a proofer, and I've had to send some pretty inappropriate character interpretations back to the narrator for rerecording. A delicate conversation to say the least, but even though I was low in the hierarchy, the managers listened. No way I was letting that nonsense out the door.

I'm an audio engineer, and I edit audio books for a living.

You are not wrong, and in fact there can be a few checks in place, though I suppose that smaller publishers like this one may not have the luxury. In all likelihood, if this was professionally edited, it was done by a mill where quantity over quality is the goal. Some of the work I do involves re-editing books that were originally sent to these places "to save money." Most producers will listen to feedback from their editors, but in some cases it is ignored or never passed on for one reason or another. Beyond that, there is quality control and customer testing. Years ago when I was also doing a lot of QC, we ended up sending first Fifty Shades book back through the edit chain - the reader sounded way too young, so they pitched her voice down.

TL;DR - this should never have been heard by anyone outside of those involved in its production.


Yeah, that was my thought as well, re: outsourcing to a cheap post production solution. I don't work in-house for a publisher anymore, but I have a full studio at my house for audiobook production and post, and have had to fix plenty of these kinds of issues. I've been lucky enough to have worked (QC/editing/mastering and narration) for larger publishers.

But, yeah, this never should've gotten out the door, hopefully some folks have learned some lessons.
 
2020-11-29 8:48:28 PM  
I guess things have changed since Amos n Andy.
 
2020-11-29 10:31:26 PM  
I thought the whole point of acting was that it was pretend?

I just listed to a voice actor pretend to be a star wars droid last night....
 
2020-11-29 11:30:52 PM  

snowshovel: BlackChickWhiteAccent: sirrerun: Found a picture of the VO "artist."

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Stupid book aside, that movie was a horrible, racist, embarrassment, and C. Thomas Howell should have quit acting, right then and there.

"White Chicks," I know, but it's one thing to make fun of how a bunch of entitled, rich, white "Beckies" behave, than it is to make fun of their skin color. That Howell character pretended to be black to get into college. And as 2020 has shown us, white folks with no academic, or athletic skills can get into the finest schools with no problem. Why would you make a fake ass movie like that? Y'all do it all the farking time.

And don't forget that "Kenyan born, Muslim socialist" so many of you mocked was admitted to Harvard under y'alls stupid, affirmative action rules. And yet he still became a constitutional lawyer, a professor, and farking President of the United States. He mops the floor with your farking privileged, entitled, average intelligence white boys named George W. Bush, and Donald J.Trump.

Affirmative action was created because y'all kept trying to close the door on our foot. Don't ever come at me with this bullshiat about you "couldn't go to the college of your dreams" because a "less talented" minority "took" your spot. That is a lie. You toss me one, I'll bring you a truckful of average white guys and girls who got an Ivy League degree. It was a white person who made that decision, not us. And blacks don't have hundreds of Ivy league buildings named after their rich ancestors, because only white folks can get their dumb kid into an ivy league just by building a farking gymnasium.

Trying to farking twist the narrative. Y'all invented affirmative action, because other folks who look just like you didn't want to give American minorities a fair chance. The Chinese learned from it, and called you out on your shiat by being both smart, and rich. Now wh ...


No, the premise of the movie was that black people get into colleges because of skin color and affirmative action. This observation is right on point.
 
2020-11-30 1:09:32 AM  
 
2020-11-30 3:37:58 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Honestly I feel like a good chunk of the fault here lies with the decision of the writer of the essay to try to write in poorly-pronounced words and shiat into the text directly with alternate spellings and abbreviations.

I'd probably have interpreted any essay with that title in a southern Louisiana accent, too; that's not just how most of the black people I know talk, it's... how half of my very, very white family talks.  Without explicit direction from the author and publisher, how was this dude supposed to farking know it was supposed to be in a more directly racial New York or Los Angeles "black" accent instead?

... the lion's share of the blame still goes to the editor, of course, because it's literally the editor's one and only job to coordinate these kinds of interactions and watch for shiat like this by reviewing the finished product.  That's, just... literally what "editing" is.


Ain't no woman need no man editor.
 
2020-11-30 3:51:58 AM  

BlackChickWhiteAccent: sirrerun: Found a picture of the VO "artist."

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Stupid book aside, that movie was a horrible, racist, embarrassment, and C. Thomas Howell should have quit acting, right then and there.

"White Chicks," I know, but it's one thing to make fun of how a bunch of entitled, rich, white "Beckies" behave, than it is to make fun of their skin color. That Howell character pretended to be black to get into college. And as 2020 has shown us, white folks with no academic, or athletic skills can get into the finest schools with no problem. Why would you make a fake ass movie like that? Y'all do it all the farking time.

And don't forget that "Kenyan born, Muslim socialist" so many of you mocked was admitted to Harvard under y'alls stupid, affirmative action rules. And yet he still became a constitutional lawyer, a professor, and farking President of the United States. He mops the floor with your farking privileged, entitled, average intelligence white boys named George W. Bush, and Donald J.Trump.

Affirmative action was created because y'all kept trying to close the door on our foot. Don't ever come at me with this bullshiat about you "couldn't go to the college of your dreams" because a "less talented" minority "took" your spot. That is a lie. You toss me one, I'll bring you a truckful of average white guys and girls who got an Ivy League degree. It was a white person who made that decision, not us. And blacks don't have hundreds of Ivy league buildings named after their rich ancestors, because only white folks can get their dumb kid into an ivy league just by building a farking gymnasium.

Trying to farking twist the narrative. Y'all invented affirmative action, because other folks who look just like you didn't want to give American minorities a fair chance. The Chinese learned from it, and called you out on your shiat by being both smart, and rich. Now who's whining about who "deserves" what? Now you see just how much of a bullshiat game it all really is.

2020 exposed a lot of disgusting, puss filled wounds about racism in America. Thanks to all you racist Trump cocksuckers, it ain't finished yet. He's taking us all down. 2021 is gonna be like sweeping up after the elephants after a parade. Learn from it, and farking do better.


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2020-11-30 4:00:51 AM  

iaazathot: snowshovel: BlackChickWhiteAccent: sirrerun: Found a picture of the VO "artist."

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Stupid book aside, that movie was a horrible, racist, embarrassment, and C. Thomas Howell should have quit acting, right then and there.

"White Chicks," I know, but it's one thing to make fun of how a bunch of entitled, rich, white "Beckies" behave, than it is to make fun of their skin color. That Howell character pretended to be black to get into college. And as 2020 has shown us, white folks with no academic, or athletic skills can get into the finest schools with no problem. Why would you make a fake ass movie like that? Y'all do it all the farking time.

And don't forget that "Kenyan born, Muslim socialist" so many of you mocked was admitted to Harvard under y'alls stupid, affirmative action rules. And yet he still became a constitutional lawyer, a professor, and farking President of the United States. He mops the floor with your farking privileged, entitled, average intelligence white boys named George W. Bush, and Donald J.Trump.

Affirmative action was created because y'all kept trying to close the door on our foot. Don't ever come at me with this bullshiat about you "couldn't go to the college of your dreams" because a "less talented" minority "took" your spot. That is a lie. You toss me one, I'll bring you a truckful of average white guys and girls who got an Ivy League degree. It was a white person who made that decision, not us. And blacks don't have hundreds of Ivy league buildings named after their rich ancestors, because only white folks can get their dumb kid into an ivy league just by building a farking gymnasium.

Trying to farking twist the narrative. Y'all invented affirmative action, because other folks who look just like you didn't want to give American minorities a fair chance. The Chinese learned from it, and called you out on your shiat by being both smart, and rich. Now wh ...

No, the premise of the movie was that black people get into colleges because of skin color and affirmative action. This observation is right on point.


I'm pretty sure it was about...
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2020-11-30 9:10:33 AM  
tell me they hired Shirley Q. Liquor
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