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2020-11-29 2:35:44 AM  
So....moderate?
 
2020-11-29 5:26:21 AM  
It's pretty liberal. Animaniacs always has been and I mean, that's not a bad thing.

Basically, as I told some right-wing chuds on Twitter: if you think a show using pronouns, making fun of Trump, and pointing out that Wayne Lapierre is an actual monster is "far left-wing", you seriously need to re-magnetize your political compass.

That being said, the only time I felt, like... Low key embarrassed by Animaniac's politics was the Russia episode. It's kind of a time capsule of liberalism from 2018 when the Mueller investigation was in full swing, and I'm just kinda, like... Embarrassed that after all these years, parodying Russia hasn't evolved past Cold War jokes.
 
2020-11-29 6:13:51 AM  

cretinbob: So....moderate?


Everybody THINKS they're a moderate. But have you ever met one?
 
2020-11-29 6:54:32 AM  
They did take some swings on the President, and there were some jokes that weren't just pointed, but just plain skewering, but that's how they've always been.

They take the piss out of anyone.
 
2020-11-29 7:19:58 AM  
I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.
 
2020-11-29 7:20:25 AM  

Confabulat: cretinbob: So....moderate?

Everybody THINKS they're a moderate. But have you ever met one?


I see them all the time sitting atop their fences looking down their noses at everyone else. Sometimes I hate them even more than I hate conservatives. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
 
2020-11-29 7:25:09 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Confabulat: cretinbob: So....moderate?

Everybody THINKS they're a moderate. But have you ever met one?

I see them all the time sitting atop their fences looking down their noses at everyone else. Sometimes I hate them even more than I hate conservatives. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.


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2020-11-29 7:46:05 AM  
Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.
 
2020-11-29 7:50:50 AM  
Seems odd to be on a Disney owned service and not HBO Max.
/Really don't care since I have both
 
2020-11-29 7:55:18 AM  

kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.


so you're saying it's Zany to the Meh?
 
2020-11-29 8:03:33 AM  
Biggest complaint I have after the first two episodes is that the Warners' vocals seem mixed down to where they seem to blend into the other sounds and music. The Pinky and the Brain segments don't have that problem.

/Am I smelling toast?
//And just whose voice was that supposed to be in the suffrage song?
///It's toast-- it has to be.
 
2020-11-29 8:12:12 AM  
Haven't watched it as of yet.

Did hear the new "Nations of the World" song and that was weird. I kept expecting the lyrics I know. Kind of like the movie musical version of a song vs the stage musical version. They're just different enough to mess with my head.
 
2020-11-29 8:16:10 AM  

kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.


I will respectfully disagree, because there is an episode that deals specifically with where the rest of the cast wound up. And it's like the third or fourth in. It doesn't have a lot of the little bits, like Randy Beaman Story kid or Slappy, but they are I think trying to expand the cast slowly, and more importantly from a new roster. Like Brain's 'wife.' I think that they were seeing where the waters would take them. This ISN'T the 90s, and Warner Brothers CAN do wrong today--unlike back the 90s when anything remotely Loony-Toons was greenlit and sold.

I was a big fan back in the day, and I really enjoyed this reboot, and I want to see where they can take it.
 
2020-11-29 8:18:34 AM  

Cythraul: I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.


Caught the first episode yesterday... which spent the entire episode lampooning what's changed in the world in the last 22 years and then sung about how every show is being rebooted (though, in 90% of cases, it's revived not rebooted, but I digress).

It was hysterical and well done and I look forward to the next 12 episodes.

Ever since saturday morning cartoons officially got killed off about a decade ago, I've been looking forward to cartoons (there are some on channels like Nick that are total garbage that I don't count) returning.

Old-school Looney Tunes on HBO MAX and Anamaniacs on Hulu do the trick very nicely!
 
2020-11-29 8:19:53 AM  
TL:DR  Lighten up, Francis.
 
2020-11-29 8:20:58 AM  
Why can't everyone just shut the fark up and enjoy a show for what it is?
 
2020-11-29 8:22:49 AM  

Cythraul: I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.


Animation wise, yeah, it's good. The writing is trying a little too hard to be witty, current affairs humor. It works (at times) but the staying power of those jokes is REALLY SHORT. A lot of the original series ran on general goofball and wordplay antics. The P&TB joke about what people use the internet for is EXACTLY what they should aiming at.

My biggest complaint is it runs on fan service to make some of the mediocre moments pass muster. I get that they need the older fans to spend money. Throw 'em a bone with a one off joke; don't make it a crutch. That kind of thing kills the fun of the show after about a season.

The show IS good, though. If they do a 2 season run and stop, it can be filed with positive comebacks. But milking it for "just one more" gets fans turned off... like the My Little Pony series at the end. They should have stopped after about 5/6 seasons.
 
2020-11-29 8:23:52 AM  

RTOGUY: Why can't everyone just shut the fark up and enjoy a show for what it is?


Because this is the internet and things are important.
 
2020-11-29 8:31:24 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Cythraul: I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.

Animation wise, yeah, it's good. The writing is trying a little too hard to be witty, current affairs humor. It works (at times) but the staying power of those jokes is REALLY SHORT. A lot of the original series ran on general goofball and wordplay antics. The P&TB joke about what people use the internet for is EXACTLY what they should aiming at.

My biggest complaint is it runs on fan service to make some of the mediocre moments pass muster. I get that they need the older fans to spend money. Throw 'em a bone with a one off joke; don't make it a crutch. That kind of thing kills the fun of the show after about a season.

The show IS good, though. If they do a 2 season run and stop, it can be filed with positive comebacks. But milking it for "just one more" gets fans turned off... like the My Little Pony series at the end. They should have stopped after about 5/6 seasons.


PolyTrumphus will never lose his orange luster.
 
2020-11-29 8:32:57 AM  

hubiestubert: They did take some swings on the President, and there were some jokes that weren't just pointed, but just plain skewering, but that's how they've always been.

They take the piss out of anyone.


Animaniacs: Another Clinton Scandal?
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2020-11-29 8:34:25 AM  

kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.


You know how actors are like real people with lives, right?

Considering the time gap, they're lucky to have as many original cast members as they do.
 
2020-11-29 8:38:31 AM  
Animaniacs always farking rocked, and was always way farking liberal.
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But it was done subtly, never came off as scolding, or cartoonishly garish propaganda.
As such, in todays parlance, I am sure its considered totally Nazi filth.
 
2020-11-29 8:39:00 AM  

jake3988: Cythraul: I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.

Caught the first episode yesterday... which spent the entire episode lampooning what's changed in the world in the last 22 years and then sung about how every show is being rebooted (though, in 90% of cases, it's revived not rebooted, but I digress).

It was hysterical and well done and I look forward to the next 12 episodes.

Ever since saturday morning cartoons officially got killed off about a decade ago, I've been looking forward to cartoons (there are some on channels like Nick that are total garbage that I don't count) returning.

Old-school Looney Tunes on HBO MAX and Anamaniacs on Hulu do the trick very nicely!


Disney+ for that old-school Disney Afternoon lineup
 
2020-11-29 8:43:12 AM  

leeksfromchichis: kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.

You know how actors are like real people with lives, right?

Considering the time gap, they're lucky to have as many original cast members as they do.


I was struck that all 3 Warner voices sounded noticeably older. I've been showing my kids Simpsons episodes from S01-04 and we caught a modern episode and you can HEAR how the voices have aged. It's natural. The cartoon can look the same forever but until we start voicing them with AI voice samples they will not be timeless. I'd rather have the actors giving their takes but we will see the birth of an immortal digital character soon.
 
2020-11-29 8:43:58 AM  

qorkfiend: jake3988: Cythraul: I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.

Caught the first episode yesterday... which spent the entire episode lampooning what's changed in the world in the last 22 years and then sung about how every show is being rebooted (though, in 90% of cases, it's revived not rebooted, but I digress).

It was hysterical and well done and I look forward to the next 12 episodes.

Ever since saturday morning cartoons officially got killed off about a decade ago, I've been looking forward to cartoons (there are some on channels like Nick that are total garbage that I don't count) returning.

Old-school Looney Tunes on HBO MAX and Anamaniacs on Hulu do the trick very nicely!

Disney+ for that old-school Disney Afternoon lineup


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Everyone loves the old Disney afternoons, especially the animators of current Disney shows who grew up watching them
 
2020-11-29 8:48:28 AM  

leeksfromchichis: qorkfiend: jake3988: Cythraul: I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.

Caught the first episode yesterday... which spent the entire episode lampooning what's changed in the world in the last 22 years and then sung about how every show is being rebooted (though, in 90% of cases, it's revived not rebooted, but I digress).

It was hysterical and well done and I look forward to the next 12 episodes.

Ever since saturday morning cartoons officially got killed off about a decade ago, I've been looking forward to cartoons (there are some on channels like Nick that are total garbage that I don't count) returning.

Old-school Looney Tunes on HBO MAX and Anamaniacs on Hulu do the trick very nicely!

Disney+ for that old-school Disney Afternoon lineup

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Everyone loves the old Disney afternoons, especially the animators of current Disney shows who grew up watching them


Holy hell I don't have enough friends who watch that show and I can't nerd out on it with them.

Seriously. Watch DuckTales. It's amazing.
 
2020-11-29 8:50:45 AM  
They do take some political stabs but I didn't think they were tasteless and for American kids animated programming in a farking pandemic they do alright.

I do wish they would have found a way to bring back a few characters beyond Pinky and the Brain but for not ruining my childhood I take the show as a win.
 
2020-11-29 8:54:10 AM  
"At its heart, Animaniacs was always a kid's show masquerading as a social satire"

I'd say that it was always social satire masquerading as a kid's show.
 
2020-11-29 8:54:33 AM  
After the Muller report the whole "Air Force One" gag dropped like a lead balloon, but it was probably written in 2018 and there were still people with IQs over 50 who thought Trump was Putin's stooge.
 
2020-11-29 9:05:27 AM  

Cythraul: I'm gathering that the rebooted Animaniacs is of decent quality?  I was hoping it would be good.


I'm only two episodes in, but I am quite enjoying it. The only thing is, I think they can use more variety of cartoons. So far, the only characters that have returned are the Warners and Pinky & The Brain (certainly, they're the only ones named in the theme song), and there hasn't been anything new to replace the old ones.
 
2020-11-29 9:07:14 AM  
I must have been at just the right age to not get the political jokes, because I don't remember them being political at all. Weird.
 
2020-11-29 9:08:18 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Seems odd to be on a Disney owned service and not HBO Max.
/Really don't care since I have both


It's been in development for a while; the first episode even mentions that it was written in 2018. Presumably the contracts were signed when Hulu was still a consortium, before Disney took over everything and everyone else started their own services with blackjack and hookers.
 
2020-11-29 9:09:27 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Confabulat: cretinbob: So....moderate?

Everybody THINKS they're a moderate. But have you ever met one?

I see them all the time sitting atop their fences looking down their noses at everyone else. Sometimes I hate them even more than I hate conservatives. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.


Anyone who says that (which seems to be especially rampant on Facebook, but that platform has its own issues) is essentially saying, "I don't know enough to have an educated opinion, but I want to feel better about it and don't have enough of a spine to stand up to my friends."

They just want to be liked by as many people as possible no matter the moral cost, and that's why they're worse than conservatives in many ways.
 
2020-11-29 9:12:47 AM  

leeksfromchichis: kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.

You know how actors are like real people with lives, right?

Considering the time gap, they're lucky to have as many original cast members as they do.


The lack of variety is what makes this show a stinker.  The Warner brothers are like an MC who occasionally does a skit - but they aren't suited for a whole show and it becomes painfully obvious in the reboot.  If they had more characters and skits, the show would probably be ok.  Truthfully, they should have just made Pinky & the Brain a 5 minute short series.
 
2020-11-29 9:14:51 AM  
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Conservatives never get the joke
 
2020-11-29 9:14:58 AM  

Norquist Vagprobe: I must have been at just the right age to not get the political jokes, because I don't remember them being political at all. Weird.


Bill clinton right in the opening theme didn't ping your radar?

This explains so much...
 
2020-11-29 9:16:23 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Norquist Vagprobe: I must have been at just the right age to not get the political jokes, because I don't remember them being political at all. Weird.

Bill clinton right in the opening theme didn't ping your radar?

This explains so much...


Who, the saxophone player ? Was he a politician too or something?
 
2020-11-29 9:16:33 AM  

Not_Todd: After the Muller report the whole "Air Force One" gag dropped like a lead balloon, but it was probably written in 2018 and there were still people with IQs over 50 who thought Trump was Putin's stooge.


The Mueller Report that recommended multiple charges of obstruction of justice, and specifically said it did not exonerate Trump of being Putin's biatch, just that he obstructed justice enough to make it difficult to prove?
 
2020-11-29 9:19:57 AM  
Bigger question, why are adults watching children's cartoons? Infantilism of adults in this country is how you get Man-baby in the first place.
 
2020-11-29 9:22:45 AM  

ssa5: Bigger question, why are adults watching children's cartoons? Infantilism of adults in this country is how you get Man-baby in the first place.


Where is the line between children and adults cartoon?
 
2020-11-29 9:25:45 AM  

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: leeksfromchichis: Norquist Vagprobe: I must have been at just the right age to not get the political jokes, because I don't remember them being political at all. Weird.

Bill clinton right in the opening theme didn't ping your radar?

This explains so much...

Who, the saxophone player ? Was he a politician too or something?


1993 Bill Clinton was a very different political figure. He was an amusing showman who had recently thrown off our shackles of Reaganomics which was killing jobs by 1992 even if we had just "won" a war.

The DADT, triangulation of fiscal policy, workfare, and omnibus crime bills were all in the future. The RWNJ hate machine wouldn't spin up for a couple of more years along with the Contract in America.

And of course today Clintons are like plutonium catnip to conservatives addicted to streaming hate. It remains my belief that if the Democrats had run anything but a Clinton in 2016 Trump would have lost - and the Republicans probably would have nominated Ted Cruz anyway. Trump is anti-Clintonian madness incarnate.
 
2020-11-29 9:26:47 AM  

TelemonianAjax: leeksfromchichis: kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.

You know how actors are like real people with lives, right?

Considering the time gap, they're lucky to have as many original cast members as they do.

I was struck that all 3 Warner voices sounded noticeably older. I've been showing my kids Simpsons episodes from S01-04 and we caught a modern episode and you can HEAR how the voices have aged. It's natural. The cartoon can look the same forever but until we start voicing them with AI voice samples they will not be timeless. I'd rather have the actors giving their takes but we will see the birth of an immortal digital character soon.


Who though?  Vandal Savage, En Sabah Nur?  Ra's Al Ghul?  The Highlander?

Yoda?  Oh wait, strong with the force is he... but not that strong.

Remember if your digimmortal is newborn though, like a baby Yoda, it will be an infant for a long time up front.

/loved the first new Animaniacs ep, myself
//will be getting back to it soon enough
 
2020-11-29 9:26:48 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: ssa5: Bigger question, why are adults watching children's cartoons? Infantilism of adults in this country is how you get Man-baby in the first place.

Where is the line between children and adults cartoon?


Fark is not your personal legal advice forum. The DA and judge will let you know.
 
2020-11-29 9:29:39 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Norquist Vagprobe: I must have been at just the right age to not get the political jokes, because I don't remember them being political at all. Weird.

Bill clinton right in the opening theme didn't ping your radar?

This explains so much...


I never saw them as specifically political, they sent up the whole damn culture. As they were intending.
Political figures were there, but just one small part of the whole tapestry, generally used as a vehicle to reflect on the larger cultural melange, not specifically for political or partisan attacks.
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This new one goes far enough toward specific partisan attacks to piss off a conservatives, yet since it doesn't descend into 24/7 incomprehensible shrieking DTS, would be considered Nazi-enabling tripe by a small but extremely vocal contingent of the left.
 
2020-11-29 9:34:05 AM  

TelemonianAjax: leeksfromchichis: kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.

You know how actors are like real people with lives, right?

Considering the time gap, they're lucky to have as many original cast members as they do.

I was struck that all 3 Warner voices sounded noticeably older. I've been showing my kids Simpsons episodes from S01-04 and we caught a modern episode and you can HEAR how the voices have aged. It's natural. The cartoon can look the same forever but until we start voicing them with AI voice samples they will not be timeless. I'd rather have the actors giving their takes but we will see the birth of an immortal digital character soon.


The only one that sounds evidently older to me is Brain, but it kind of works because he sounds beaten down after almost 30 years of trying to take over the world and failing. If Yakko/Pinky (Rob Paulsen) sounds any different to you, it's probably because he had throat cancer and beat it like a boss.
 
2020-11-29 9:34:39 AM  

ssa5: Bigger question, why are adults watching children's cartoons? Infantilism of adults in this country is how you get Man-baby in the first place.


Nonsense.  Trump is the direct result of Rush Limbaugh turning Right-Wing politics into pro-wrasslin' and Fox news continuing the trend.
 
2020-11-29 9:36:43 AM  

ssa5: Bigger question, why are adults watching children's cartoons? Infantilism of adults in this country is how you get Man-baby in the first place.


Go be joyless somewhere else.
 
2020-11-29 9:36:49 AM  

hubiestubert: kukukupo: Doesn't matter - it isn't good.  I slogged through two episodes before pulling the plug.  It focuses too much on the warners and is missing a lot of the characters like Slappy Squirrel, Buttons and Mindy, Goodfeathers, etc.  Without the variety it is just meh.

I will respectfully disagree, because there is an episode that deals specifically with where the rest of the cast wound up. And it's like the third or fourth in. It doesn't have a lot of the little bits, like Randy Beaman Story kid or Slappy, but they are I think trying to expand the cast slowly, and more importantly from a new roster. Like Brain's 'wife.' I think that they were seeing where the waters would take them. This ISN'T the 90s, and Warner Brothers CAN do wrong today--unlike back the 90s when anything remotely Loony-Toons was greenlit and sold.

I was a big fan back in the day, and I really enjoyed this reboot, and I want to see where they can take it.


That is basically where I'm at so far.  I think it's in keeping with the spirit of the show, but I only have a slight dusting of nostalgia.  I would imagine that heavily influences how the reboot is perceived.
 
2020-11-29 9:38:31 AM  
Comparing the suffrage movement to cartoon characters wanting to vote was pretty dumb, other than that it was decent I thought. Fairly liberal in the sense that they didn't insult the troops or promote rape or peddle conspiracy theories or anything.
 
2020-11-29 9:47:45 AM  
Here's how to improve it:

bring back Slappy, Katie Ka-Boom, maybe the Goodfeathers. Hello Nurse could be slightly updated.

Get rid of that God-awful CEO. She's way too annoying.
 
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