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2020-11-29 6:44:21 AM  
"Sure, sure.  We can work out a deal once January 21st rolls around and you have a sane leader."
 
2020-11-29 7:38:49 AM  
On January 21rst you'll have a chance of continuing to move America towards having its very own first world healthcare system, don't screw that up.  Then you won't need to buy drugs off the backs of trucks destined for other countries that have such systems already.
 
2020-11-29 8:02:03 AM  
Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does
 
2020-11-29 8:07:28 AM  

qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does


Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.
 
2020-11-29 8:11:29 AM  
This looks less about Donnie, and more about national security, the pandemic wolf is knocking at everyone's door.

/ But Canada definitely is making sure shiat bags like Donnie won't come in and fark up their pharma reserves.
// If only there were some sort of trust between nations that would help bring people together, unite them so to speak.
 
2020-11-29 8:12:26 AM  
Hmmm, my mother depends on imports from Canada because the $20k-a-month prescription she needs to control her leukemia is, well, $20k-a-month. Here's hoping this clownfarkery doesn't kill her!
 
2020-11-29 8:12:52 AM  

Invincible: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.


We do get them from the same place Canada does--the USA.
 
2020-11-29 8:15:12 AM  

qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does


It's not where you get the drugs from, it is how you get them.

Having one single buyer,ie one SINGLE PAYER, that gives you a lot more leverage with the pharma companies.

Fix your healthcare system.  Join the rest of the first world.
 
2020-11-29 8:16:37 AM  
Long IP terms disincentivize pharmaceutical companies from developing new drugs because they rely on their back catalogs of past work instead doing new work.

Long IP terms keep the prices of drugs too high because the "limited" monopolies they grant aren't limited enough. Formulas need to pass into the public domain to make generic drugs. To keep costs low.
 
2020-11-29 8:18:36 AM  
We could always go and beg at the doors of every other western nation.  They all have a form of socialized medicine and the government is able to leverage its buying power to get better deals.  Maybe they will feel sorry for us and give us their leftovers.
 
2020-11-29 8:19:12 AM  
This is soooo f***ing stupid. Canada has a population of 35 million people. Even if we emptied the entire medicine cabinet for the USA, that barely covers NY state or Florida.

You want the benefits of collective purchasing as found in countries with universal health care? Then grow up and get over all the OOGGA BOOGA socialism bulls*** and join the rest of the world.
 
2020-11-29 8:19:42 AM  

flondrix: Invincible: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.

We do get them from the same place Canada does--the USA.


It's mind boggling when people in the US jump to defend pharma pricing in the US with "but they're only high here because we have to subsidize the rest of the world".

No.

The pharmaceutical companies are making money just fine at the "rest of the world" pricing, they just have a large market of people in the US they can ruthlessly shake down.
 
2020-11-29 8:22:36 AM  
Looks like loser diaper Don lost again!
 
2020-11-29 8:27:16 AM  

MegaLib: We could always go and beg at the doors of every other western nation.  They all have a form of socialized medicine and the government is able to leverage its buying power to get better deals.  Maybe they will feel sorry for us and give us their leftovers.


you're slipping.... your post should have been that "we should install single layer so we can negotiate drug prices like Canada" but you went with the right wing solution instead.
 
2020-11-29 8:29:46 AM  
Lazy asshole pharmaceutical companies haven't cured AIDs or Herpes. There's plenty of opportunities for them to make future money if IP terms are rolled back to a sensible 3 years. They just have to do actual work for the money like everyone else.

Never believe pharmaceutical companies' biatching that shortening IP terms will harm innovation, because they're lying! Shortening IP terms actually creates pressure to innovate.
 
2020-11-29 8:34:45 AM  
Maybe if you hadn't established a predatory for-profit medical industry you wouldn't have this problem?
 
2020-11-29 8:35:26 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Lazy asshole pharmaceutical companies haven't cured AIDs or Herpes. There's plenty of opportunities for them to make future money if IP terms are rolled back to a sensible 3 years. They just have to do actual work for the money like everyone else.

Never believe pharmaceutical companies' biatching that shortening IP terms will harm innovation, because they're lying! Shortening IP terms actually creates pressure to innovate.


Pharma companies don't do a lot of research. They use the results from academics. These days most Pharma companies don't prefer to deal with universities, they wait until the University spins off a company and then they acquire it after the work is done. Or get into licensing deals but that's messy.

The companies can also make more money by reformulating existing drugs in different combinations. It's the lowest hanging fruit.
 
2020-11-29 8:35:32 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: MegaLib: We could always go and beg at the doors of every other western nation.  They all have a form of socialized medicine and the government is able to leverage its buying power to get better deals.  Maybe they will feel sorry for us and give us their leftovers.

you're slipping.... your post should have been that "we should install single layer so we can negotiate drug prices like Canada" but you went with the right wing solution instead.


Sorry, I was hoping the mercy angle would work with other countries.  There are still  too many trumper's here for us to get an adult solution.  We would rather waste money, get worse out comes and make big pharma rich.
 
2020-11-29 8:37:24 AM  
Prescription drugs aren't free in Canada unless you're over 65. But many people have a benefits plan that's paid for by their employer. And if you can't afford them there are lots of social assistance programs available.
 
2020-11-29 8:39:46 AM  

MegaLib: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: MegaLib: We could always go and beg at the doors of every other western nation.  They all have a form of socialized medicine and the government is able to leverage its buying power to get better deals.  Maybe they will feel sorry for us and give us their leftovers.

you're slipping.... your post should have been that "we should install single layer so we can negotiate drug prices like Canada" but you went with the right wing solution instead.

Sorry, I was hoping the mercy angle would work with other countries.  There are still  too many trumper's here for us to get an adult solution.  We would rather waste money, get worse out comes and make big pharma rich.


This all happened way before Trump. Trump at least was willing to open the doors to buy drugs elsewhere which doesn't actually fix the problem but is at least acknowledging the problem.
 
2020-11-29 8:42:38 AM  

RTOGUY: MegaLib: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: MegaLib: We could always go and beg at the doors of every other western nation.  They all have a form of socialized medicine and the government is able to leverage its buying power to get better deals.  Maybe they will feel sorry for us and give us their leftovers.

you're slipping.... your post should have been that "we should install single layer so we can negotiate drug prices like Canada" but you went with the right wing solution instead.

Sorry, I was hoping the mercy angle would work with other countries.  There are still  too many trumper's here for us to get an adult solution.  We would rather waste money, get worse out comes and make big pharma rich.

This all happened way before Trump. Trump at least was willing to open the doors to buy drugs elsewhere which doesn't actually fix the problem but is at least acknowledging the problem.


it's a schtick account.
 
2020-11-29 8:44:02 AM  
I must be getting Canadian Viagra. Every time I use it, I end up apologizing.
 
2020-11-29 8:46:08 AM  
Is he that low on Sudafed and adderall?
 
2020-11-29 8:46:34 AM  

ChrisDe: I must be getting Canadian Viagra. Every time I use it, I end up apologizing.


This.... this is a funny joke
 
2020-11-29 8:47:42 AM  
That's like privatizing the local water works, then trying to tap into the lines of the neighboring town because their public supply is cheaper.
 
2020-11-29 8:59:17 AM  

ChrisDe: I must be getting Canadian Viagra. Every time I use it, I end up apologizing.


Maybe stop using it at funerals?
 
2020-11-29 8:59:28 AM  

RTOGUY: MegaLib: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: MegaLib: We could always go and beg at the doors of every other western nation.  They all have a form of socialized medicine and the government is able to leverage its buying power to get better deals.  Maybe they will feel sorry for us and give us their leftovers.

you're slipping.... your post should have been that "we should install single layer so we can negotiate drug prices like Canada" but you went with the right wing solution instead.

Sorry, I was hoping the mercy angle would work with other countries.  There are still  too many trumper's here for us to get an adult solution.  We would rather waste money, get worse out comes and make big pharma rich.

This all happened way before Trump. Trump at least was willing to open the doors to buy drugs elsewhere which doesn't actually fix the problem but is at least acknowledging the problem.


It's a band aid solution. And it's not even a solution, at that. Its passing the buck.
 
2020-11-29 9:00:11 AM  

ChrisDe: I must be getting Canadian Viagra. Every time I use it, I end up apologizing.


Funniest f***ing commemt here.😂
 
2020-11-29 9:00:57 AM  
If only there were some way our government could convince drug companies to sell drugs as cheaply to American citizens as they do to countries that make them charge a fair price.
 
2020-11-29 9:03:42 AM  

winedrinkingman: If only there were some way our government could convince drug companies to sell drugs as cheaply to American citizens as they do to countries that make them charge a fair price.


You're talking like a socialist, you commie you.
 
2020-11-29 9:05:43 AM  

flondrix: Invincible: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.

We do get them from the same place Canada does--the USA.


India makes a ton of pharmaceuticals.  I couldn't say how much of them end up in either the USA or Canada

I do know that the kind of blood pressure meds I take is made in India (and other places), as they had a contamination problem, and recalls were done

https://fr.reuters.com/article/instan​t​-article/idUSKCN1QI4XF

/called my pharmacy when it happened, they were aware of the recall, and my pills were not from a contaminated source
 
2020-11-29 9:09:51 AM  

flondrix: Invincible: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.

We do get them from the same place Canada does--the USA.


K, well, I guess you're good then.
 
2020-11-29 9:11:32 AM  
Trump: we're number one! NAFTA is unfair. You'll all be forced to give the US whatever we want. I'm the King of the Deal!
Canada: ...
Trump 3 years later: Sell us your drugs. I couldn't figure out how to make these lobbyists see things my way.
Canada: Fark off, you hoser.
 
2020-11-29 9:18:04 AM  
Maybe he should have worn a tooke when he asked.
 
2020-11-29 9:20:47 AM  

RasIanI: This is soooo f***ing stupid. Canada has a population of 35 million people. Even if we emptied the entire medicine cabinet for the USA, that barely covers NY state or Florida.

You want the benefits of collective purchasing as found in countries with universal health care? Then grow up and get over all the OOGGA BOOGA socialism bulls*** and join the rest of the world.


Take the difference between what the US pays for healthcare now, and what the US would pay under a modern system like Canada's.

Now, some of that difference is chewed up by inefficiencies in the US system, but the rest is profit.  That profit can buy a lot of politicians.  Add in an ignorant population where many people think single payer is socialism and socialism is Venezuela, and you'll see why a modern healthcare system isn't happening anytime soon.
 
2020-11-29 9:21:26 AM  

tiiger: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

It's not where you get the drugs from, it is how you get them.

Having one single buyer,ie one SINGLE PAYER, that gives you a lot more leverage with the pharma companies.

Fix your healthcare system.  Join the rest of the first world.


As soon as y'all admit that Canadian bacon is not, in fact, bacon.
 
2020-11-29 9:26:12 AM  
Fun fact... Canada imports most of its drugs.  And 40% of their drug imports come from us.

Canada has cheap drugs because we don't mark up our exports as much as we do our domestic sales, because we wouldn't be able to compete internationally if we charged our insane domestic prices.

So it is literally cheaper to buy a US drug that has been exported to Canada and imported back then from the manufacturer directly.  Adding on two sets of tariffs and two rounds of shipping... still way cheaper.
 
2020-11-29 9:27:09 AM  

flondrix: Invincible: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.

We do get them from the same place Canada does--the USA.


Wanna know how everyone who read the article can tell you didn't?

"A statement from Canada's health ministry said the country sources 68% of its drugs from overseas and therefore it was important to avoid any disruptions to supplies."
 
2020-11-29 9:27:37 AM  

qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does


Plot twist:  you do.  In many cases, the drugs come from the same production facilities in Puerto Rico or Ireland.

The reason prices are higher in the US is that:
A) They can.
B) Someone has to pay for that lobbying.
C) See (A).
 
2020-11-29 9:27:54 AM  

wheatpennyandaglock: Maybe he should have worn a tooke when he asked.


Not to be pendantic, but, it's "touque".

/French word
 
2020-11-29 9:28:24 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Lazy asshole pharmaceutical companies haven't cured AIDs or Herpes. There's plenty of opportunities for them to make future money if IP terms are rolled back to a sensible 3 years. They just have to do actual work for the money like everyone else.

Never believe pharmaceutical companies' biatching that shortening IP terms will harm innovation, because they're lying! Shortening IP terms actually creates pressure to innovate.


Charge pharmaceutical companies, and pharmaceutical companies only, for the cost of NIH research that they are basing a lot of the work on their patents on. Use the money to subsidize pharmaceuticals. If Pfizer and Roche and such want a capitalist system, let's give them one.
 
2020-11-29 9:30:26 AM  

tiiger: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

It's not where you get the drugs from, it is how you get them.

Having one single buyer,ie one SINGLE PAYER, that gives you a lot more leverage with the pharma companies.

Fix your healthcare system.  Join the rest of the first world.


The single payer argument only works when those drugs are bought by the hospitals.

Medication bought by people at their pharmacy is paid by them, or their insurance. In some provinces, that insurance may be public, or private.  The rules change.
 
2020-11-29 9:33:32 AM  

MegaLib: We could always go and beg at the doors of every other western nation.  They all have a form of socialized medicine and the government is able to leverage its buying power to get better deals.  Maybe they will feel sorry for us and give us their leftovers.


It's worse.  Medicare Part D allows pharma to make up loss's from Single Payer Nations, by charging Uncle Sam full price, thereby making the American taxpayer subsidize (eat) the discounts given to those damned "socialists".

Dallas Fed analysts back in 2007 estimated that in terms of the long term debt (NOT current account) Medicare Part D will add 17 trillion dollars as compared to SS, the "unfunded" portion of that program adding only 14 trillion.  The rest of the 100(+) trillion is almost entirely medicare related.  Dems can rightly argue that by pursuing the public option and rewriting medPartD, they are killing the debt (get ahead of rethug messaging)

Sort  of like how the War On Some Drugs has, for nearly half-century, transformed cops into Price Support Subsidy agents.  When Nixon set off on this "war" the % interdicted (at border/prior to injection) was ten;  same 10% as of 2016 (DEA number).  So, cops cut away the stupid/unlucky - 90% of dealers get to say "hey babe, jammed up by 5-0 this month - price is higher" ("Thanx, Cops").
 
2020-11-29 9:34:28 AM  

tiiger: It's not where you get the drugs from, it is how you get them.  Having one single buyer,ie one SINGLE PAYER, that gives you a lot more leverage with the pharma companies.  Fix your healthcare system.  Join the rest of the first world.


This isn't a single payer issue, its a pharmacy regulations issue.  Every drug is a monopoly in the US.

We could fix this by splitting pharmacy research from pharmacy manufacturing.  Do the research with grants, government owns the drug IP, allow anyone to manufacture the drug (with FDA oversight)... competition will cause costs to free fall, as essentially everything is a generic.

We could fix this, but we won't.  Because the US isn't actually a capitalistic country.  No, we are more into using government regulations to enforce monopolies in return for a cut of the profits.
 
2020-11-29 9:36:52 AM  

Target Builder: flondrix: Invincible: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.

We do get them from the same place Canada does--the USA.

It's mind boggling when people in the US jump to defend pharma pricing in the US with "but they're only high here because we have to subsidize the rest of the world".

No.

The pharmaceutical companies are making money just fine at the "rest of the world" pricing, they just have a large market of people in the US they can ruthlessly shake down.


I mean, even stranger is that they are saying that subsidizing the rest of the world is the optimal arrangement.  They are wrong twice.
 
2020-11-29 9:42:11 AM  

Crazy Lee: So, cops cut away the stupid/unlucky - 90% of dealers get to say "hey babe, jammed up by 5-0 this month - price is higher" ("Thanx, Cops").


Bad boy bad boys, whacha gonna do?
 
2020-11-29 9:43:47 AM  
maybe a tooke is a toque with a built in bong
 
2020-11-29 9:44:50 AM  

qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

I buy one of my meds from Canada, but they are definitely made in India. Still they cost me less for a two-year supply than I would pay for a month's supply through Medicare.
 
2020-11-29 9:54:02 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: tiiger: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

It's not where you get the drugs from, it is how you get them.

Having one single buyer,ie one SINGLE PAYER, that gives you a lot more leverage with the pharma companies.

Fix your healthcare system.  Join the rest of the first world.

As soon as y'all admit that Canadian bacon is not, in fact, bacon.


Nobody calls that "bacon" in Canada. That's "back bacon" or "peameal bacon".

When we say bacon with no modifiers we mean the same thing you mean.

Now you can join!
 
2020-11-29 9:54:54 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: flondrix: Invincible: qorkfiend: Why don't we just get them from the same place Canada does

Because you aren't organized or politically motivated enough to use your scale for negotiating leverage. Oh, and grift. Lots of grift.

We do get them from the same place Canada does--the USA.

India makes a ton of pharmaceuticals.  I couldn't say how much of them end up in either the USA or Canada

I do know that the kind of blood pressure meds I take is made in India (and other places), as they had a contamination problem, and recalls were done

https://fr.reuters.com/article/instant​-article/idUSKCN1QI4XF

/called my pharmacy when it happened, they were aware of the recall, and my pills were not from a contaminated source


The main problem with Indian drug companies is that while the plants may be sanitized to First World standards, the rail depots and ports are still third world, so your precious meds end up spending weeks in the burning sun or in a rat-infested warehouse before getting shipped overseas.
 
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