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2020-11-28 10:48:52 AM  
I have nothing to add other than the Patty Hearst (as played by Kristen Wiig) episode of Drunk History was excellent.
 
2020-11-28 10:53:28 AM  
article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
 
2020-11-28 10:55:15 AM  
I joined Resource Generation when I paid off my house. That was the moment I realized I was rich; I was the only early 30s person I knew who didn't have to pay rent or a mortgage. I hope their vision becomes reality in the future.
 
2020-11-28 10:56:32 AM  

nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people


People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
 
2020-11-28 11:01:14 AM  
my daughter (21) identifies as a communist.  she's a college student.
my son (23) identifies as a libertarian.  he is in the Navy.
i just remain curious and just ask questions so they can make their thinking transparent
they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"
me (57)?  i firmly believe that the capitalist republic i grew up in is horribly tilted and we need a more progressive model
 
2020-11-28 11:02:07 AM  
Lol just like the white suburban BLMers who demand and end to racism but are on their iPhone 12s to 911 if they see one of *those* people looking at their Beemer
 
2020-11-28 11:03:14 AM  

nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people


"Area man vigorously attacks what he thinks socialism is."
 
2020-11-28 11:06:15 AM  

nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people


So you read an article about Democratic Socialism and decided to pretend that doesn't exist, and rant about socialist dictatorships and cold war era Russia?

When are you nutjobs going to get that this is about making our economy more socialist (and less capitalist) than it already is, not 100% socialist?  It's been obvious to anyone with a brain for decades that the only functional economy is a mixed economy.  By that measure, the Nordic Model is, in fact, very socialist.  

Get over this childish obsession with the socialism boogeyman if you want to have an adult conversation.
 
2020-11-28 11:07:47 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: Lol just like the white suburban BLMers who demand and end to racism but are on their iPhone 12s to 911 if they see one of *those* people looking at their Beemer


Congratulations, your keyboard works.
 
2020-11-28 11:07:49 AM  
people that need to tout their good deeds in the public eye are lacking. we are here to help and serve each other. do it quietly, gently, and with love. but do it.
 
2020-11-28 11:09:13 AM  
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2020-11-28 11:09:19 AM  

OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people

People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.


If we're a team, you're getting traded to Detroit for a first round draft pick and a case of Miller High Life first chance I get.
 
2020-11-28 11:09:23 AM  
AOC isn't going to sleep with you, Sam
 
2020-11-28 11:10:30 AM  
Good for them. Glad to see people who see their gifts as an opportunity make the world a little better.
 
2020-11-28 11:11:12 AM  
My money is mostly stocks, which means it comes from underpaying and undervaluing working-class people

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2020-11-28 11:13:06 AM  

gar1013: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people

People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.

If we're a team, you're getting traded to Detroit for a first round draft pick and a case of Miller High Life first chance I get.


Hush now, little Trumper.
 
2020-11-28 11:15:40 AM  
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2020-11-28 11:18:29 AM  
Good luck with that.
 
2020-11-28 11:19:31 AM  

OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people

People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.


...and useless narcissists are forced to sit at the kiddie table.


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2020-11-28 11:21:40 AM  

OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
---
People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
---


I'll make it clearer so you can understand.  They talked about being the ones doing the actual work, yet only the ones in the power structure got the benefits & credit for it.   The elite got cars/good housing/good medicines etc whilst the actual workers got to take cold buses.   That was the reality of socialism - 'elected' people on top who managed to come out ahead of everyone else.  The communally owned items were always poorly maintained. You say 'do your job' - they did.   But that system failed them because the bureaucracy above didn't care about the actual lives of the locals as long as overall quotas were met.   They were labelled malcontents just because they wanted what had been promised them.   And forget individuality unless it benefited the country - say if you were an Olympic athlete.
The last straw was when their son was being persecuted for being 'too feminine to be useful'.   If you think 'just doing your job' will build a socialist utopia, then you need to read 'Nothing To Envy'.
 
2020-11-28 11:22:08 AM  
I will only become a socialist if it gives me the power to exile people to Siberia forever. And redistribute my wealth with certain Swedish women.
 
2020-11-28 11:25:13 AM  
Blowing everything isn't going to help either, but if it makes you feel better, go for it. People with money should recognize that they have at least some power to create change. If you're money goes to zero, now you're just like the rest of us.
 
2020-11-28 11:25:45 AM  

nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people


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2020-11-28 11:27:22 AM  

nanim: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
---
People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
---

I'll make it clearer so you can understand.  They talked about being the ones doing the actual work, yet only the ones in the power structure got the benefits & credit for it.   The elite got cars/good housing/good medicines etc whilst the actual workers got to take cold buses.   That was the reality of socialism - 'elected' people on top who managed to come out ahead of everyone else.  The communally owned items were always poorly maintained. You say 'do your job' - they did.   But that system failed them because the bureaucracy above didn't care about the actual lives of the locals as long as overall quotas were met.   They were labelled malcontents just because they wanted what had been promised them.   And forget individuality unless it benefited the country - say if you were an Olympic athlete.
The last straw was when their son was being persecuted for being 'too feminine to be useful'.   If you think 'just doing your job' will build a socialist utopia, then you need to read 'Nothing To Envy'.


Ah yes, because M4A and a UBI are exactly the same as totalitarian communism.
 
2020-11-28 11:29:04 AM  

OptionC: nanim: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
---
People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
---

I'll make it clearer so you can understand.  They talked about being the ones doing the actual work, yet only the ones in the power structure got the benefits & credit for it.   The elite got cars/good housing/good medicines etc whilst the actual workers got to take cold buses.   That was the reality of socialism - 'elected' people on top who managed to come out ahead of everyone else.  The communally owned items were always poorly maintained. You say 'do your job' - they did.   But that system failed them because the bureaucracy above didn't care about the actual lives of the locals as long as overall quotas were met.   They were labelled malcontents just because they wanted what had been promised them.   And forget individuality unless it benefited the country - say if you were an Olympic athlete.
The last straw was when their son was being persecuted for being 'too feminine to be useful'.   If you think 'just doing your job' will build a socialist utopia, then you need to read 'Nothing To Envy'.

Ah yes, because M4A and a UBI are exactly the same as totalitarian communism.


Making the tax structure more progressive is the same as forcing us to work in the salt mines!
 
2020-11-28 11:29:41 AM  

nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people


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2020-11-28 11:30:10 AM  
So he's going to give away all of his $30 million?

Or he's going to give away all of his $30 million except enough to live the rest of his life comfortably?
 
2020-11-28 11:30:40 AM  

nanim: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
---
People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
---

I'll make it clearer so you can understand.  They talked about being the ones doing the actual work, yet only the ones in the power structure got the benefits & credit for it.   The elite got cars/good housing/good medicines etc whilst the actual workers got to take cold buses.   That was the reality of socialism - 'elected' people on top who managed to come out ahead of everyone else.  The communally owned items were always poorly maintained. You say 'do your job' - they did.   But that system failed them because the bureaucracy above didn't care about the actual lives of the locals as long as overall quotas were met.   They were labelled malcontents just because they wanted what had been promised them.   And forget individuality unless it benefited the country - say if you were an Olympic athlete.
The last straw was when their son was being persecuted for being 'too feminine to be useful'.   If you think 'just doing your job' will build a socialist utopia, then you need to read 'Nothing To Envy'.


That sounds a whole lot like current USA and capitalist America
 
2020-11-28 11:30:42 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people

"Area man vigorously attacks what he thinks socialism is."

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I think maybe he had his boogymen mixed up and meant communism
 
2020-11-28 11:31:12 AM  

OptionC: People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.


My God... the New England Patriots are socialists?!?
 
2020-11-28 11:31:39 AM  

strapp3r: my daughter (21) identifies as a communist.  she's a college student.
my son (23) identifies as a libertarian.  he is in the Navy.
i just remain curious and just ask questions so they can make their thinking transparent
they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"
me (57)?  i firmly believe that the capitalist republic i grew up in is horribly tilted and we need a more progressive model


If the answer can be, "a little bit of both"...it usually is
 
2020-11-28 11:32:38 AM  

The Numbers: gar1013: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people

People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.

If we're a team, you're getting traded to Detroit for a first round draft pick and a case of Miller High Life first chance I get.

Hush now, little Trumper.


Lol.

You don't even get a "you tried" star.
 
2020-11-28 11:33:06 AM  

strapp3r: they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"


Perhaps because they haven't reached the stage where they've researched glib answers to self-important inquisitors?

Your daughter could have said "communism has been successful in the over 900 intentional communities that exist in the US, as well as in other places, like Israel, Germany, Ireland, and the UK. Just because some awful dictatorships existed under the name doesn't mean the basic concepts of group ownership or egalitarian wealth distribution are bad or that they cannot be successfully integrated into a modern mixed economy."

You're on your own with your son, though.
 
2020-11-28 11:35:21 AM  

nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people


Utopias never last because, as Frank Zappa put it, somebody has to clean the sewers.
 
2020-11-28 11:35:22 AM  

SpectroBoy: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people

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Mass murderer says what?
 
2020-11-28 11:35:35 AM  

strapp3r: my daughter (21) identifies as a communist.  she's a college student.
my son (23) identifies as a libertarian.  he is in the Navy.
i just remain curious and just ask questions so they can make their thinking transparent
they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"
me (57)?  i firmly believe that the capitalist republic i grew up in is horribly tilted and we need a more progressive model


I have always indentified as a fire truck and it really hasn't helped me much at all.

/it's me ma, me ma, me ma
 
2020-11-28 11:36:14 AM  

Salmon: strapp3r: my daughter (21) identifies as a communist.  she's a college student.
my son (23) identifies as a libertarian.  he is in the Navy.
i just remain curious and just ask questions so they can make their thinking transparent
they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"
me (57)?  i firmly believe that the capitalist republic i grew up in is horribly tilted and we need a more progressive model

I have always indentified as a fire truck and it really hasn't helped me much at all.

/it's me ma, me ma, me ma


I identify as an Apache attack helicopter.
 
2020-11-28 11:36:24 AM  

Z-clipped: Your daughter could have said "communism has been successful in the over 900 intentional communities that exist in the US, as well as in other places, like Israel, Germany, Ireland, and the UK


Dozens of people have proved it works!! DOZENS!!!
 
2020-11-28 11:36:36 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: Lol just like the white suburban BLMers who demand and end to racism but are on their iPhone 12s to 911 if they see one of *those* people looking at their Beemer


Citation needed.
 
2020-11-28 11:41:18 AM  

sinko swimo: people that need to tout their good deeds in the public eye are lacking. we are here to help and serve each other. do it quietly, gently, and with love. but do it.


Perhaps they think that a little publicity will help force the hands of the lawyers who are fighting them?


gar1013: If we're a team, you're getting traded


You're not the farking general manager of this team.  You're a 3rd string jock strap cleaner with a bad attitude.  Now get back to those jock straps.


nanim: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
---
People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
---

I'll make it clearer so you can understand.  They talked about being the ones doing the actual work, yet only the ones in the power structure got the benefits & credit for it.   The elite got cars/good housing/good medicines etc whilst the actual workers got to take cold buses.   That was the reality of socialism - 'elected' people on top who managed to come out ahead of everyone else.  The communally owned items were always poorly maintained. You say 'do your job' - they did.   But that system failed them because the bureaucracy above didn't care about the actual lives of the locals as long as overall quotas were met.   They were labelled malcontents just because they wanted what had been promised them.   And forget individuality unless it benefited the country - say if you were an Olympic athlete.
The last straw was when their son was being persecuted for being 'too feminine to be useful'.   If you think 'just doing your job' will build a socialist utopia, then you need to read 'Nothing To Envy'.


This post is a masterclass in irony.
 
2020-11-28 11:42:34 AM  

nanim: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
---
People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
---

I'll make it clearer so you can understand.  They talked about being the ones doing the actual work, yet only the ones in the power structure got the benefits & credit for it.   The elite got cars/good housing/good medicines etc whilst the actual workers got to take cold buses.   That was the reality of socialism - 'elected' people on top who managed to come out ahead of everyone else.  The communally owned items were always poorly maintained. You say 'do your job' - they did.   But that system failed them because the bureaucracy above didn't care about the actual lives of the locals as long as overall quotas were met.   They were labelled malcontents just because they wanted what had been promised them.   And forget individuality unless it benefited the country - say if you were an Olympic athlete.
The last straw was when their son was being persecuted for being 'too feminine to be useful'.   If you think 'just doing your job' will build a socialist utopia, then you need to read 'Nothing To Envy'.


Congratulations, you just described the system of corporate socialism we live under, where the elites get things like decent healthcare and the workers die of entirely curable conditions to ensure profits and growth.
 
2020-11-28 11:42:41 AM  

hogans: OptionC: People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.

My God... the New England Patriots are socialists?!?


The NFL is actually one of the best examples of successful socialism in America.
 
2020-11-28 11:42:56 AM  

Z-clipped: sinko swimo: people that need to tout their good deeds in the public eye are lacking. we are here to help and serve each other. do it quietly, gently, and with love. but do it.

Perhaps they think that a little publicity will help force the hands of the lawyers who are fighting them?


gar1013: If we're a team, you're getting traded

You're not the farking general manager of this team.  You're a 3rd string jock strap cleaner with a bad attitude.  Now get back to those jock straps.


nanim: OptionC: nanim: article: 'A socialist since college'

But not really, since he's never actually experienced being part of a genuine socialist culture - one that he couldn't escape.

/ he probably thinks Sweden is socialist
// knows neighbors who escaped a socialist country - they can talk endlessly about not getting credit for what you did, among other things
/// utopias never last, because people
---
People who care about "getting credit" are generally useless narcissists.  We succeed or fail as a team, so just do your damn job.
---

I'll make it clearer so you can understand.  They talked about being the ones doing the actual work, yet only the ones in the power structure got the benefits & credit for it.   The elite got cars/good housing/good medicines etc whilst the actual workers got to take cold buses.   That was the reality of socialism - 'elected' people on top who managed to come out ahead of everyone else.  The communally owned items were always poorly maintained. You say 'do your job' - they did.   But that system failed them because the bureaucracy above didn't care about the actual lives of the locals as long as overall quotas were met.   They were labelled malcontents just because they wanted what had been promised them.   And forget individuality unless it benefited the country - say if you were an Olympic athlete.
The last straw was when their son was being persecuted for being 'too feminine to be useful'.   If you think 'just doing your job' will build a socialist utopia, then you need to read 'Nothing To Envy'.

This post is a masterclass in irony.


Lol.

I always find it amusing when people with tiny arms try to look and sound tough.
 
2020-11-28 11:44:31 AM  

strapp3r: my daughter (21) identifies as a communist.  she's a college student.
my son (23) identifies as a libertarian.  he is in the Navy.
i just remain curious and just ask questions so they can make their thinking transparent
they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"
me (57)?  i firmly believe that the capitalist republic i grew up in is horribly tilted and we need a more progressive model


I always enjoyed meeting all the libertarians when I was in, watching them abandon it when they realized they were in a socialist organization that favored other skills instead of job proficiency with medical care for all, equal pay, tuition assistance, housing, and food.


/actually the navy guys that had switched over said they did have job specific test to get promoted, blew our minds.
 
2020-11-28 11:46:31 AM  

Z-clipped: strapp3r: they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"

Perhaps because they haven't reached the stage where they've researched glib answers to self-important inquisitors?

Your daughter could have said "communism has been successful in the over 900 intentional communities that exist in the US, as well as in other places, like Israel, Germany, Ireland, and the UK. Just because some awful dictatorships existed under the name doesn't mean the basic concepts of group ownership or egalitarian wealth distribution are bad or that they cannot be successfully integrated into a modern mixed economy."

You're on your own with your son, though.


It's true, communism can work when voluntary and framed by capitalism.  What doesn't work is communism as a national economic platform enforced at gunpoint.
 
2020-11-28 11:50:40 AM  

jaytkay: Z-clipped: Your daughter could have said "communism has been successful in the over 900 intentional communities that exist in the US, as well as in other places, like Israel, Germany, Ireland, and the UK

Dozens of people have proved it works!! DOZENS!!!


They've proved that a fully communist society can work on some scale.  Nobody sane is advocating making our nation a giant commune.  But there are aspects of shared ownership of resources and wealth redistribution that would be very successful in a mixed economy, and in fact have already been in other developed nations.

This whole pants-wetting fear-based need Americans have to throw the baby out with the bathwater is just idiotic, and I wish I were younger so I could be alive to see what happens when most of the cowards in the Boomer generation are dead and we're free of it.

National-level capitalism has failed just as hard as national-level socialism has.  We figured this out a hundred hundred years ago, when we started enacting more socialist economic policies.  The only question left worth asking is "what balance of communism, socialism, and capitalism creates the happiest and most successful society?"  And the answer is very, VERY clearly waaaaaaaay to the left of where the US is right now.
 
2020-11-28 11:50:57 AM  

Z-clipped: Get over this childish obsession with the socialism boogeyman if you want to have an adult conversation.


Yes, this times a thousand.

I'd even extend this boogeyman to be every buzzword people use but don't really understand, like liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, communism, etc.

Everyone just seems to feel like their 'team' has to win, or they feel like they are being threatened by certain words like that, instead of realizing all these words don't really mean their destruction or vindication, or at least they don't mean what they meant when their parents learned them in grade school and told them which ones were supposedly good and which ones were supposedly bad.

A mixture of all types of governances is what is already happening, has been happening forever, and what will always happen in an always changing world. Some fantasy notion of a constant, never changing ideal world being something you must cling to is gonna eventually disappoint you.
 
2020-11-28 11:51:18 AM  
It's unfortunate, but everyone needs to stop using the word "socialist."  You know when you're talking to someone stupid at work, and you need to avoid using certain words because you know 100% that just saying the word will trigger them go down a certain road even if it contradicts what you explained?  Like saying "NOT SOX controlled" will make them assume "SOX controlled"?  That's what it's like using the word "socialist" around conservatives.  They're too stupid to handle it.

Carry on describing whatever your beliefs are, anywhere on the spectrum, just don't use that word.  Hopefully conservatives welcome this too.
 
2020-11-28 11:51:35 AM  

Z-clipped: strapp3r: they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"

Perhaps because they haven't reached the stage where they've researched glib answers to self-important inquisitors?

Your daughter could have said "communism has been successful in the over 900 intentional communities that exist in the US, as well as in other places, like Israel, Germany, Ireland, and the UK. Just because some awful dictatorships existed under the name doesn't mean the basic concepts of group ownership or egalitarian wealth distribution are bad or that they cannot be successfully integrated into a modern mixed economy."


Those systems work because they are surrounded by capitalist societies so they can sell what they make and buy what they can't. Also  they are voluntary and people are free to leave if they don't want to contribute and while they may suffer consequences like not being able to speak to their families again they don't have to climb over razor wire or risk being shot which is traditionally how communist countries kept the glorious revolution moving forward.

Communism has always been a stupid idea and it will always be a stupid idea. It's a fun thought exercise but that's about it.
 
2020-11-28 11:51:59 AM  

Z-clipped: strapp3r: they always seem to struggle when asked "where and when has this been successful?"

Perhaps because they haven't reached the stage where they've researched glib answers to self-important inquisitors?

Your daughter could have said "communism has been successful in the over 900 intentional communities that exist in the US, as well as in other places, like Israel, Germany, Ireland, and the UK. Just because some awful dictatorships existed under the name doesn't mean the basic concepts of group ownership or egalitarian wealth distribution are bad or that they cannot be successfully integrated into a modern mixed economy."

You're on your own with your son, though.


Communes aren't "communism".

It's also telling how every person I know of that went to Israel to live in a kibbutz for some period of time was really glad to get the hell out of there.  Apparently gets old real quick.
 
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