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2020-11-28 8:04:18 AM  
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2020-11-28 8:12:36 AM  
You know what's better than winning a gold medal at the special olympics?
 
2020-11-28 8:49:02 AM  
Because it's not Microsoft.
 
2020-11-28 9:06:21 AM  
I haven't seen that much enthusiasm about a comparison of commodity products since Top Gear's top 10 cheap cars round up.  But an article anchored in 15-25 minute videos that might have some technical proofs buried in them somewhere?  Thanks Verge, you continue to live up to your reputation.
 
2020-11-28 9:34:02 AM  
As if people can just go to a store and buy either one
 
2020-11-28 9:59:53 AM  

Gubbo: As if people can just go to a store and buy either one


I can sure go to the store and have my card declined for either one, this is true.
 
2020-11-28 10:08:37 AM  
As far as I can tell, there are no games for the XBox!
I don't know for sure but my son tells me there are launch titles for the PS5 whereas Halo was SUPPOSED to be released for the XBox but got pushed back.

I have an Xbox one, so I don't see a reason to buy a NEW one
 
2020-11-28 10:19:21 AM  
If it's running slow, why don't you just see where the bottleneck is an upgrade that component?  Ohhhh, riiiight.
 
2020-11-28 10:31:52 AM  

Elegy: You know what's better than winning a gold medal at the special olympics?


Winning two gold medals at the special olympics.
 
2020-11-28 10:54:18 AM  
I suppose I'll get into the consoles, eventually.  I'm not expecting what I really want, which is for Square Enix to be what they were in the PSX days, but I guess there'll be five or six games I can't get anywhere else on the PS5.
 
2020-11-28 10:55:09 AM  

Elegy: You know what's better than winning a gold medal at the special olympics?


Getting laid in the Olympic village?
 
2020-11-28 11:04:50 AM  
Because the racist thirteen year olds who farked your mom  take up a lot of bandwidth with their clever banter.
 
2020-11-28 11:05:47 AM  
Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.
 
2020-11-28 11:33:45 AM  

EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.


Would still be interesting since supposedly the code base and APIs for Xbox are more similar to what you'd use on Windows. So either the Xbox specific stuff is real weird causing devs to use it wrong, or it's buggy, or the PS5 stuff is better optimized and taking better advantage of the hardware.

None of those options make MS look good.
 
2020-11-28 11:36:07 AM  

Quantumbunny: EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.

Would still be interesting since supposedly the code base and APIs for Xbox are more similar to what you'd use on Windows. So either the Xbox specific stuff is real weird causing devs to use it wrong, or it's buggy, or the PS5 stuff is better optimized and taking better advantage of the hardware.

None of those options make MS look good.


Microsoft have mandated that any 1st party games (and probably 2nd party) must still work on the Xbox One. This was probably a bad choice for the health of the console at launch, but a great choice from the perspective of Gamepass
 
2020-11-28 11:58:02 AM  

Gubbo: Quantumbunny: EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.

Would still be interesting since supposedly the code base and APIs for Xbox are more similar to what you'd use on Windows. So either the Xbox specific stuff is real weird causing devs to use it wrong, or it's buggy, or the PS5 stuff is better optimized and taking better advantage of the hardware.

None of those options make MS look good.

Microsoft have mandated that any 1st party games (and probably 2nd party) must still work on the Xbox One. This was probably a bad choice for the health of the console at launch, but a great choice from the perspective of Gamepass


They'll abandon that in a year. Two tops.
 
2020-11-28 11:59:28 AM  

Esroc: Gubbo: Quantumbunny: EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.

Would still be interesting since supposedly the code base and APIs for Xbox are more similar to what you'd use on Windows. So either the Xbox specific stuff is real weird causing devs to use it wrong, or it's buggy, or the PS5 stuff is better optimized and taking better advantage of the hardware.

None of those options make MS look good.

Microsoft have mandated that any 1st party games (and probably 2nd party) must still work on the Xbox One. This was probably a bad choice for the health of the console at launch, but a great choice from the perspective of Gamepass

They'll abandon that in a year. Two tops.


That's an interesting theory. I would assume you have some reasoning behind this?
 
2020-11-28 12:00:26 PM  

Esroc: Gubbo: Quantumbunny: EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.

Would still be interesting since supposedly the code base and APIs for Xbox are more similar to what you'd use on Windows. So either the Xbox specific stuff is real weird causing devs to use it wrong, or it's buggy, or the PS5 stuff is better optimized and taking better advantage of the hardware.

None of those options make MS look good.

Microsoft have mandated that any 1st party games (and probably 2nd party) must still work on the Xbox One. This was probably a bad choice for the health of the console at launch, but a great choice from the perspective of Gamepass

They'll abandon that in a year. Two tops.


Wait. I jumped on that a little quickly. Abandon Gamepass, or abandon the mandate that games must work on Xbox One (they said upfront that the mandate was for 2 years).
 
2020-11-28 12:54:57 PM  
The real answer: Because they're new.

Give it time. The PS2 and PS3 were hated by developers at the start. By the end of their respective lifecycles the games coming out were gold. PS4, too, but not hated like the others.

I'm in the PlayStation camp but I won't count Microsoft out just yet. They have a f*ckton of money to throw at it and I do not doubt they will.
 
2020-11-28 1:07:16 PM  
It seems the article probably gave the likely reason in that developers had a lot less time with Xbox development units than PS5.

Overall for both consoles this seems like the barest launch ever in which there is zero games for one system and like 2 for the other with one being a remake. Everything else is being released for the earlier gen.

I have no problem with that as it makes it unnecessary for me to get a PS5 at the current time. I did have to get a Xbox Series X because my Xbox One was having issues and there were no Xbox Ones around for the last few months so I ended up preordering a Xbox when the preorders opened.

The last launch that wow'd me was the N64 with Mario 64. Of course I was young and playing the demo unit and bringing Mario to the water level was earth shattering at the time.
 
2020-11-28 1:30:38 PM  
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2020-11-28 2:01:17 PM  

Quantumbunny: EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.

Would still be interesting since supposedly the code base and APIs for Xbox are more similar to what you'd use on Windows. So either the Xbox specific stuff is real weird causing devs to use it wrong, or it's buggy, or the PS5 stuff is better optimized and taking better advantage of the hardware.

None of those options make MS look good.


It could be due to the fact that the Xbox is using DirectX, which adds a layer of hardware abstraction to the graphics pipeline. This is great for backwards comparability with the 360 and original Xbox, but it imposes a bit of a performance penalty. Maybe the graphics pipeline on the PS5 doesn't have as much overhead?
 
2020-11-28 3:14:11 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Quantumbunny: EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.

Would still be interesting since supposedly the code base and APIs for Xbox are more similar to what you'd use on Windows. So either the Xbox specific stuff is real weird causing devs to use it wrong, or it's buggy, or the PS5 stuff is better optimized and taking better advantage of the hardware.

None of those options make MS look good.

It could be due to the fact that the Xbox is using DirectX, which adds a layer of hardware abstraction to the graphics pipeline. This is great for backwards comparability with the 360 and original Xbox, but it imposes a bit of a performance penalty. Maybe the graphics pipeline on the PS5 doesn't have as much overhead?


Maybe, if those and games have similar drops on PC.

I'd be more inclined to think it's a hardware pipeline issue. A driver maybe, or firmware, or perhaps something overheating and throttling down.

We'll likely find out soon.
 
2020-11-28 3:42:58 PM  
Partly because of PC players.  There's pretty much no reason a PC player also needs an Xbox unless they're looking for multiplayer with Xbox-owning friends.  I can't think of any Xbox-only console exclusives last gen, whereas the PS4 had plenty of good games that didn't get a PC release.  It seems reasonable to assume that will continue with the new gen, so while a PC player might reasonably get a PS5, they're less likely to need/want an Xbox ASAP.
 
2020-11-28 7:08:44 PM  

Elegy: You know what's better than winning a gold medal at the special olympics?


Being that tball stand that pitched a perfect game?
 
2020-11-28 9:09:55 PM  

Elegy: You know what's better than winning a gold medal at the special olympics?


A *billion* dollars?
 
2020-11-29 1:32:50 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Partly because of PC players.  There's pretty much no reason a PC player also needs an Xbox unless they're looking for multiplayer with Xbox-owning friends.  I can't think of any Xbox-only console exclusives last gen, whereas the PS4 had plenty of good games that didn't get a PC release.  It seems reasonable to assume that will continue with the new gen, so while a PC player might reasonably get a PS5, they're less likely to need/want an Xbox ASAP.


I strongly disagree with this - an X-Box makes for a much better media hub and occasional gaming device than a PC, and Microsoft's interface is much much better than Sony's
 
2020-11-29 3:22:05 AM  

Lusiphur: Last Man on Earth: Partly because of PC players.  There's pretty much no reason a PC player also needs an Xbox unless they're looking for multiplayer with Xbox-owning friends.  I can't think of any Xbox-only console exclusives last gen, whereas the PS4 had plenty of good games that didn't get a PC release.  It seems reasonable to assume that will continue with the new gen, so while a PC player might reasonably get a PS5, they're less likely to need/want an Xbox ASAP.

I strongly disagree with this - an X-Box makes for a much better media hub and occasional gaming device than a PC, and Microsoft's interface is much much better than Sony's


The interface is indeed better.

The new console is effectively a Win10 pc in a form factor that works better for entertainment units, and I think the Microsoft strategy is now 'Windows exclusive', as opposed to Xbox exclusive. Which is good for those of us who just cannot be bothered with/afford to keep(ing) a gaming PC up to spec.
 
2020-11-29 3:22:41 AM  
Forgot to say - I wish we'd pack it in with this concept of exclusives. It is purely anti-consumer.
 
2020-11-29 4:22:58 AM  
Demon's Souls
 
2020-11-29 5:27:12 AM  

mrmopar5287: Elegy: You know what's better than winning a gold medal at the special olympics?

Getting laid in the Olympic village?


Pretty sure winning a gold medal will do that for ya.
 
2020-11-29 5:29:31 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: The real answer: Because they're new.

Give it time. The PS2 and PS3 were hated by developers at the start. By the end of their respective lifecycles the games coming out were gold. PS4, too, but not hated like the others.

I'm in the PlayStation camp but I won't count Microsoft out just yet. They have a f*ckton of money to throw at it and I do not doubt they will.


When was the PS2 ever "hated"?
 
2020-11-29 5:32:33 AM  

Dokstarr: It seems the article probably gave the likely reason in that developers had a lot less time with Xbox development units than PS5.

Overall for both consoles this seems like the barest launch ever in which there is zero games for one system and like 2 for the other with one being a remake. Everything else is being released for the earlier gen.

I have no problem with that as it makes it unnecessary for me to get a PS5 at the current time. I did have to get a Xbox Series X because my Xbox One was having issues and there were no Xbox Ones around for the last few months so I ended up preordering a Xbox when the preorders opened.

The last launch that wow'd me was the N64 with Mario 64. Of course I was young and playing the demo unit and bringing Mario to the water level was earth shattering at the time.


Plenty of new console releases have had very few games at launch. The original Gameboy (and yes, I consider it a console, especially for launch title purposes), IIRC, came with Tetris, and had only 2 other games available at launch: Super Mario Land and Mario Tennis.

That's just one example.
 
2020-11-29 5:53:27 AM  

EbolaNYC: Give it a few months, if I had to guess game developers aren't taking advantage of it's full feature set.


They aren't taking advantage of either one.
 
2020-11-29 6:49:08 PM  
I don't see why this is relevant at all?

The hardware is the limiting factor that cannot be changed. Heck the PS5 won't even let you use the extra storage slot yet... They know full well they will improve the firmware/os/apis/etc...

I've always had PlayStation consoles and I expect I'll get a PS5 whenever I can... But the hardware is what matters in the long term; if you care about maximum performance the Xbox has beefier hardware.

Comparing benchmarks from the initial game offerings doesn't seem like a useful measure, especially when virtually all of them were written to run on the previous gen consoles.
 
2020-11-29 7:39:02 PM  

gnosis301: I suppose I'll get into the consoles, eventually.  I'm not expecting what I really want, which is for Square Enix to be what they were in the PSX days, but I guess there'll be five or six games I can't get anywhere else on the PS5.


You mean Square before the merger. :)
 
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