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2020-11-27 4:29:15 PM  
Just wait till they ban abortion and contraceptives.

You'll get thousands of women dying of botched abortions and you'll get millions of orphans.

Just like Romania had.

SCOTUS should be told to get farked when their decisions are full of shiat. Just like when they ruled that blacks were slaves or were only worth 3/5 of a ''real human aka white european''.
 
2020-11-27 4:41:00 PM  
Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.
 
2020-11-27 4:53:04 PM  
Again. You mean again, Smitty.
 
2020-11-27 5:36:47 PM  

sithon: Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.


It leads to others dying. That's the problem. All of us have to spend even longer dealing with this shiat because of the idiots.
 
2020-11-27 5:39:02 PM  
Freedumb is just another word for "FU, I got mine".
 
2020-11-27 5:50:43 PM  

NeoCortex42: sithon: Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.

It leads to others dying. That's the problem. All of us have to spend even longer dealing with this shiat because of the idiots.


Intellectually , I know you're right, but in my gut, I feel that religion is the source of most of the problems in the world
 
2020-11-27 6:00:58 PM  
We have reached the point in US history where it's own Supreme Court is killing Americans

Oh Subby, they're not killing all the Americans, just the (largest) subset of Americans that don't control the capital. The ones with real money are doing just fine.
 
2020-11-27 6:04:11 PM  
Article correctly points out that being a conservative Supreme Court judge doesn't make you smart on basic principles of epidemiology. JFC, and f*ck the church idiots.
 
2020-11-27 6:27:02 PM  

sithon: NeoCortex42: sithon: Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.

It leads to others dying. That's the problem. All of us have to spend even longer dealing with this shiat because of the idiots.

Intellectually , I know you're right, but in my gut, I feel that religion is the source of most of the problems in the world


That's a copout.  If not religion, than those folks would just latch onto something else that allowed them to be just as destructive, like following Trump.  You can have decent people and assholes with religion just as easily as without.
 
2020-11-27 6:34:06 PM  

NeoCortex42: sithon: NeoCortex42: sithon: Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.

It leads to others dying. That's the problem. All of us have to spend even longer dealing with this shiat because of the idiots.

Intellectually , I know you're right, but in my gut, I feel that religion is the source of most of the problems in the world

That's a copout.  If not religion, than those folks would just latch onto something else that allowed them to be just as destructive, like following Trump.  You can have decent people and assholes with religion just as easily as without.


It's the gullible and superstitious.  Conspiracies, Religions, Celebrities all attract them.  Among others.  Some people like to just "phone it in" as regards life.  People want answers after all.  They prefer a black and white world as opposed to a grey one.
 
2020-11-27 7:01:57 PM  
There are seven Catholics on the bench.

Seven.

In the entire history of the Supreme Court there have only been 14 Catholics. So half of all Catholic judges in the history of SCOTUS are on the bench right now.

And that's going to be a problem for an entire generation -- whenever science or the law conflicts with the Bible, they will side with the Bible every time.
 
2020-11-27 7:43:15 PM  

Ishkur: There are seven Catholics on the bench.

Seven.

In the entire history of the Supreme Court there have only been 14 Catholics. So half of all Catholic judges in the history of SCOTUS are on the bench right now.

And that's going to be a problem for an entire generation -- whenever science or the law conflicts with the Bible, they will side with the Bible every time.


Catholics do nothing that resembles the Bible. Okay, they read a Gospel passage once in a while.
 
2020-11-27 8:04:09 PM  

psilocyberguy: Catholics do nothing that resembles the Bible. Okay, they read a Gospel passage once in a while.


Area Catholic Proud Defender of What He Imagines Bible To Be
 
2020-11-27 8:35:01 PM  
They've done it before - North Carolina v. Mann
 
2020-11-27 8:41:42 PM  
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2020-11-27 9:01:40 PM  
I don't care if you're not in favor of court packing, UJ. Are you in favor of defending America?
 
2020-11-27 9:10:25 PM  
But they'll be free 'til their last dying breath!
 
2020-11-27 9:10:26 PM  
Just let God sort them out.
 
2020-11-27 9:10:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: sithon: Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.

It leads to others dying. That's the problem. All of us have to spend even longer dealing with this shiat because of the idiots.


If a few normal people need to die in order that religious asshats start dying en mass, well....
 
2020-11-27 9:11:37 PM  
What an insane decision.
 
2020-11-27 9:12:35 PM  
If the idiot conservatives on SCOTUS think they can impose conservative religious values top-down on an unwilling culture, they've got another thing coming. Attempting to do so will just lead to more states and people giving both them and the law the middle finger. I certainly don't feel morally bound to follow any of their bullshiat "rulings".
 
2020-11-27 9:13:37 PM  
The court majority characterized the violation of neutrality this way:
"In a red zone, while a synagogue or church may not admit more than 10 persons, businesses categorized as 'essential' may admit as many people as they wish. And the list of 'essential' businesses includes things such as acupuncture facilities, camp grounds, garages, as well as many whose services are not limited to those that can be regarded as essential, such as all plants manufacturing chemicals and microelectronics and all transportation facilities."

In his concurring opinion, Justice Neil Gorsuch opines as follows:
"So, at least according to the Governor, it may be unsafe to go to church, but it is always fine to pick up another bottle of wine, shop for a new bike, or spend the afternoon exploring your distal points and meridians. Who knew public health would so perfectly align with secular convenience? ... The only explanation for treating religious places differently seems to be a judgment that what happens there just isn't as 'essential' as what happens in secular spaces. Indeed, the Governor is remarkably frank about this: In his judgment laundry and liquor, travel and tools, are all 'essential' while traditional religious exercises are not. That is exactly the kind of discrimination the First Amendment forbids."


Don't those scientific illiterates on the Supreme Court know that you can't catch COVID-19 at a liquor store but can at a church?
 
2020-11-27 9:14:11 PM  
Impeachment and removal are the solution.  Unfortunately we have a situation in the senate where that will never happen.  Not to mention the house.
 
2020-11-27 9:14:59 PM  
The more worrying part is the new RWNJ majority decided to rule on them even though the restrictions have been rolled back to a level that more than met the plaintiffs request for relief.

Farking Roberts called out the majority for ruling on an issue that has already been resolved.
 
2020-11-27 9:15:07 PM  
I have no issue with religious fanatics diving into a volcano, but it does bother me that they are effectively dragging scores of innocents with them.
 
2020-11-27 9:15:36 PM  
I guess the Constitution is a suicide pact, after all.

If the Supreme Court is going to defer to religion like this, I suggest everyone invent a new religion. For example, my religion forbids me to pay taxes but mandates shooting heroin. Sue early, sue often.
 
2020-11-27 9:15:51 PM  
Its only going to get worse when they overturn chevron deference.  Watching the last day of hearings where repuglicans got up talking about what a disaster it was you know its coming.  The conservatives have been asking for it for a while.
 
2020-11-27 9:16:03 PM  
Just about the only clear instruction in the new testament is not to make large public demonstrations of your faith but to do it at home privately.. so really just fark them all.
 
2020-11-27 9:17:19 PM  
UNFORTUNATELY, the Court is probably right, just for the wrong reasons. Just as Cuomo's order was correct, but worded entirely wrongly.

No matter what the correct epidemiologic rationale, you cannot specifically target churches and other places of worship in a government order, and expect to survive a First Amendment challenge.

All the reasons are right, but the fact is "Congress shall make no laws regarding the establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof."

If there is a need to shut down houses of worship, you must find another way.
 
2020-11-27 9:20:38 PM  

lolmao500: SCOTUS should be told to get farked when their decisions are full of shiat. Just like when they ruled that blacks were slaves or were only worth 3/5 of a ''real human aka white european''.


Ummm, what?

3/5 is in the actual text of the Constitution.  And it was the slave-owners who wanted slaves to count as a full person.  They wanted the extra population to pump their House seat numbers.  Anti-slavery forces wanted slaves to not count as people, because they did not want slaves counted for representation, but then not for every other purpose.

I'm not aware of any SCOTUS decision declaring all blacks people slaves.  Slavery was already established before the Constitution was written, so SCOTUS could hardly have started it.  If you meant the Dred Scott decision, it did not make free blacks slaves.  It said slaves did not become free by living in a free state.  it also went on the declare all black people, free or slave, were not human beings.  But that is not the same as saying they were all slaves.  Side question:  I wonder if anyone tried to challenge the census for the South, since Taney declared blacks not people and thus they could not be 3/5 of a person.
 
2020-11-27 9:20:51 PM  

Klyukva: The court majority characterized the violation of neutrality this way:
"In a red zone, while a synagogue or church may not admit more than 10 persons, businesses categorized as 'essential' may admit as many people as they wish. And the list of 'essential' businesses includes things such as acupuncture facilities, camp grounds, garages, as well as many whose services are not limited to those that can be regarded as essential, such as all plants manufacturing chemicals and microelectronics and all transportation facilities."

In his concurring opinion, Justice Neil Gorsuch opines as follows:
"So, at least according to the Governor, it may be unsafe to go to church, but it is always fine to pick up another bottle of wine, shop for a new bike, or spend the afternoon exploring your distal points and meridians. Who knew public health would so perfectly align with secular convenience? ... The only explanation for treating religious places differently seems to be a judgment that what happens there just isn't as 'essential' as what happens in secular spaces. Indeed, the Governor is remarkably frank about this: In his judgment laundry and liquor, travel and tools, are all 'essential' while traditional religious exercises are not. That is exactly the kind of discrimination the First Amendment forbids."

Don't those scientific illiterates on the Supreme Court know that you can't catch COVID-19 at a liquor store but can at a church?


Yeah, running in for a bottle of wine for 5 minutes or less is totally the same as sitting in a single packed room for an hour plus while singing occurs and people project their voices.

Covid severity is based on initial viral load.

So yeah.  Walking by someone in the liquor store who might have covid is different than sitting next to someone who has it.

That is completely different.
 
2020-11-27 9:22:46 PM  
I imagine Cuomo can pull a Jackson and say something along the lines of "they have made their decision, now let them enforce it".

All the police in the state report to him one way or another. What are they going to do? Send in the FBI to arrest a sitting governor because he hurt some uptight whackos fees-fees?

If the last 4 years have taught us anything, it's that nothing matters and nothing happens. If someone wants to abuse that precedent to actually try and save some lives without hurting anybody, I'm all for it.
 
2020-11-27 9:23:46 PM  

Phil McKraken: I guess the Constitution is a suicide pact, after all.

If the Supreme Court is going to defer to religion like this, I suggest everyone invent a new religion. For example, my religion forbids me to pay taxes but mandates shooting heroin. Sue early, sue often.


Throw Jesus' name in your argument and the cash from your tax exemption will basically be the government paying for your heroin. Win win!
 
2020-11-27 9:24:35 PM  
(Deep sigh.)

The court used, as its figleaf, that other gatherings of large amounts of people were allowed. Like in grocery stores.

Forget that in a grocery store there's constant movement, versus standing in place and infecting those nearby for the duration of the service.

But I can't say I'm against limiting capacity in grocery stores and churches equally.
 
2020-11-27 9:24:42 PM  
Great, just what we need. And then when this crap is still dragging next Christmas because of these idiots it'll get blamed on Biden. I sometimes wish I could be that ignorant, it must be so blissful to misunderstand almost everything to the point that you think you know more than the scientists who have spent their lives studying things like this.
 
2020-11-27 9:25:07 PM  

Ishkur: There are seven Catholics on the bench.

Seven.

In the entire history of the Supreme Court there have only been 14 Catholics. So half of all Catholic judges in the history of SCOTUS are on the bench right now.

And that's going to be a problem for an entire generation -- whenever science or the law conflicts with the Bible, they will side with the Bible every time.


Welcome to the future dark ages.
 
2020-11-27 9:25:58 PM  
Again?
 
2020-11-27 9:26:38 PM  

NeoCortex42: sithon: NeoCortex42: sithon: Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.

It leads to others dying. That's the problem. All of us have to spend even longer dealing with this shiat because of the idiots.

Intellectually , I know you're right, but in my gut, I feel that religion is the source of most of the problems in the world

That's a copout.  If not religion, than those folks would just latch onto something else that allowed them to be just as destructive, like following Trump.  You can have decent people and assholes with religion just as easily as without.


Yeah...but regardless of that, religion isn't true. Sure good people think magic is real as well as bad people. But getting rid of the belief that magic is real will go a long way in helping humanity.
 
2020-11-27 9:27:15 PM  
I disagree with the SCOTUS decision, but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.  "When it ruled this week against New York state's decision to limit religious gatherings in a few high-incidence parts of New York City, the court proved the dangers of scientifically illiterate judges overturning government decisions that were based on scientific evidence."

The SCOTUS ruling was an injunction against NY re-imposing the "red zone" restrictions on houses of worship while the main court case proceeds.  https://forward.ny.gov/clu​ster-action-​initiative.  The plaintiffs are currently under "orange zone" restrictions, which they don't seem to mind.  That's why Cuomo said earlier that the ruling has no practical effect.

So no, dumbass, SCOTUS isn't "killing Americans."  It doesn't currently make any difference at all, although it might if they go back into "red zone" restrictions.

Just because the Trump campaign has the most comically bad lawyers on the planet doesn't mean that CNN has to find and publish equally bad opinion contributors on the other side in the interest of fairness.  Presenting dumbasses on both sides hardly makes you unbiased.
 
2020-11-27 9:27:22 PM  

dkulprit: Yeah, running in for a bottle of wine for 5 minutes or less is totally the same as sitting in a single packed room for an hour plus while singing occurs and people project their voices.


If the governor was concerned about singing in closed spaces he could have made an order against that, like the governor of Washington did. He didn't.

If the issue is whether people spend a long time in a building or a short time, independently of whether the activities that happen inside that building are essential (which the sale of liquor clearly isn't on its face), the order could have limited that instead of being obviously absurd and unlawful.
 
2020-11-27 9:28:35 PM  

dkulprit: is different than sitting next to someone who has it.

Not to mention the whole singing Hallelujah to the highest and turning to each other and shaking hands  and hugging as is common.. church is super risky right now.
i wish they could all love their neighbors enough to not give them covid.
 
2020-11-27 9:28:57 PM  
No, 5 of 9 of them are just too ignorant and religiously brain addled to keep us alive.
 
2020-11-27 9:29:06 PM  

Mnemia: If the idiot conservatives on SCOTUS think they can impose conservative religious values top-down on an unwilling culture, they've got another thing coming. Attempting to do so will just lead to more states and people giving both them and the law the middle finger. I certainly don't feel morally bound to follow any of their bullshiat "rulings".


It's a deadhand switch installed by McTurtle, so the Republicans can check the Democrats when they're out of power, even for decades.

Every time the Dems pass new legislation now, the GOP can simply challenge it and have the courts overrule it. They couldn't get the courts or the House to get rid of Obamacare, so they're putting pieces in place by which they will succeed at destroying all future Dem bills.

Progressive laws will never get through now. At least for the next 30 years. The GOP don't need to do fark-all. They have a permanent minority with permanent power.
 
2020-11-27 9:30:12 PM  
Amy Kremlin Barrett
 
2020-11-27 9:31:21 PM  

sithon: Well in this case I have no problem letting religious fools, kill themselves. It's probably for the best, in the long run. Clear out all those Boomers, clogging everything up. I encourage church goers to invite the Scotus members to attend their services.


They carry the virus out into the world.
 
2020-11-27 9:32:12 PM  
Judges installed by an actual Death Cult killing people? No way!
 
2020-11-27 9:32:15 PM  

bobobolinskii: SoupGuru: 1. Biden pays someone to blow up ACB, Kegbro, and Gorsuch
2. Biden pardons them
3. Biden pardons himself
4. AMERICA

Thomas and Alito are gonna feel left out if you do that


advocating a fire sale? (Everything. Must. Go!)
 
2020-11-27 9:32:31 PM  
The Pro-LifeTM court is on the prowl, baby.
 
2020-11-27 9:33:22 PM  
"Semites aren't white"

"Fine, you admit Jesus wasn't white"

"... semites are white!"
 
2020-11-27 9:34:04 PM  
You don't understand, subby! Hillary just didn't *inspire* me.
 
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