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2020-11-27 9:25:43 AM  
That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.

It's not that the Democrats have moved to the left. The Republicans have moved further right and the Democrats are the party of "everyone else." Thus they contain the far left, the left, and the moderates. The Republican party is mostly the far right.
The bs about Biden and Harris being the most radical leftist socialists would have been laughable if it wasn't so widely believed when the Republican shills flogged it during the election. Even the election mailers I got for local council members made the point repeatedly.
 
2020-11-27 9:26:41 AM  
FTFA:
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That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.
"We've got to see if we can get the Democratic Party to moderate and accept the fact that rural Minnesota is not getting more conservative," said Bakk, who announced last week that he would become an independent after serving 25 years as a Democrat. "It's that you guys are leaving them behind.""

And the article never says what that looks like. Little words about election results and vague statements like this about how Dems need to do...something...but no words about what that means. What "rural issues" should Dems talk about? Corporate farms and hi tech equipment killing small farms? Opioid addiction? Lack of vibrant economies to keep young people in rural areas? Education inequities from property tax funding education?

Democrats do talk about these issues but the voters dont like their solutions because those solutions address the issues and try to solve them. These voters want to be told that these AREN'T real problems and they don't have to work to fix them - all they have to do is vote Republican and they wont have to hear about their problems anymore. Then they can hear about how "they" (read: Democrats, blacks and gays) are stopping the Republican hero from making things better.

There is no messaging fix here. Rural voters do not want to address real problems. They want to elect people who tell them their problems are all because of other people messing things up not THEM. If Dems change their messaging to say "coal is fine and you should have the same job your granddaddy prayed nightly you would never have to do" then...what's the farking point? Rurals won't vote for a Democrat who says that because they "know" that Democrats dont mean that so he's just lying to get my vote.

The people have given up on fixing their problems and have focused on making everyone else's life as miserable as their own.
 
2020-11-27 10:44:26 AM  
Why is it always Democrats that need to cater to the god damned Republican children.

I have never once seen an article that said Republicans need to accept that Democrats are the majority in the country and they should govern to deliver what they want
 
2020-11-27 10:44:40 AM  
Ask him what he means by "moving too fast to the left" means.
 
2020-11-27 10:48:22 AM  
I have friends in Tennessee who are farmers and Democrats and always have been. Unfortunately, they're not the vocal majority.
 
2020-11-27 11:01:21 AM  
We've heard this exact thing before and its nonsense just as often as its true.

Perhaps the state senator or whomever is making this bold proclamation should learn that people are notoriously unreliable in self reflection and examing their own motives.

So maybe, just maybe, the Democratic party hasn't moved, the Republican party had literally no platform, and Americans (even Democrats) are more interested in white supremacy than we care to admit so that the real reason Dems lost voters there was 'ooga booga BLM!' messaging by Fox News being amplified on a local level (and backed up by social media) after right wing terrorists burned down a Minneapolis police station and successfully blamed black people for it.
 
2020-11-27 11:14:36 AM  

darkhorse23: I have friends in Tennessee who are farmers and Democrats and always have been. Unfortunately, they're not the vocal majority.


I was surprised by the headline because when I think of the Mississippi Delta, the Alabama Black Belt, and SW GA, I think "Solid blue"

(Note: Those are also heavily black populations, but those concepts are not mutually exclusive...a lot of people actually look at the benefits they might receive from a party and that takes precedence over the identity/partisan "team sports" politics that seem to rule most of the wealthier commentators, including all of cable news and most of Fark....)

I miss a time when we could agree on a goal, but differ on how to arrive there. Now it's "disagree on everything" and Trump just cranked it up to 11.
 
2020-11-27 11:32:36 AM  
There are Democrats everywhere, just like there are Republicans everywhere. I live in one of the bluest areas of California and we still had 20%-30% vote for Trump here. Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class and decided to throw their lot in with the Wall Street elites. It's not exactly inspiring when the candidate who's supposed to represent the working class launches their campaign at the home of the CEO of Comcast and later goes on to tell a a bunch of the donor class (as in $100 million plus) that nothing for them would fundamentally change if he were elected President. The Blue Dog\Third Way\Clinton Democrats that control the party have abandoned the poor and middle class so why should they expect any loyalty from them?
 
2020-11-27 11:53:40 AM  

red230: There are Democrats everywhere, just like there are Republicans everywhere. I live in one of the bluest areas of California and we still had 20%-30% vote for Trump here. Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class and decided to throw their lot in with the Wall Street elites. It's not exactly inspiring when the candidate who's supposed to represent the working class launches their campaign at the home of the CEO of Comcast and later goes on to tell a a bunch of the donor class (as in $100 million plus) that nothing for them would fundamentally change if he were elected President. The Blue Dog\Third Way\Clinton Democrats that control the party have abandoned the poor and middle class so why should they expect any loyalty from them?


Fund skilled trades education, make that free along with college. Use the bully pulpit to provide a living wage and safe working conditions...especially for employees of mega sized companies. Use a light touch on regulations and laws, lead with Amazon and Walmart paying 15-20 bucks an hour to show that this works and then start with some laws and regulations that support and amplify the good. Support small businesses, especially with wage supports for their employees.

Just like we provided electricity to rural areas, provide lots of internet options. This has the option of encouraging tele-work which stimulates the local economy.

And we need to start planning now for fewer and fewer jobs with some universal basic income. Get some experiments underway. What does an economy look like with more and more robots and AI?

Lots of infrastructure and climate change mitigation. We're going to need forests thinned, firebreaks, fire, flood, and storm shelters up the wazoo.
 
2020-11-27 11:57:56 AM  

LadySusan: red230: There are Democrats everywhere, just like there are Republicans everywhere. I live in one of the bluest areas of California and we still had 20%-30% vote for Trump here. Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class and decided to throw their lot in with the Wall Street elites. It's not exactly inspiring when the candidate who's supposed to represent the working class launches their campaign at the home of the CEO of Comcast and later goes on to tell a a bunch of the donor class (as in $100 million plus) that nothing for them would fundamentally change if he were elected President. The Blue Dog\Third Way\Clinton Democrats that control the party have abandoned the poor and middle class so why should they expect any loyalty from them?

Fund skilled trades education, make that free along with college. Use the bully pulpit to provide a living wage and safe working conditions...especially for employees of mega sized companies. Use a light touch on regulations and laws, lead with Amazon and Walmart paying 15-20 bucks an hour to show that this works and then start with some laws and regulations that support and amplify the good. Support small businesses, especially with wage supports for their employees.

Just like we provided electricity to rural areas, provide lots of internet options. This has the option of encouraging tele-work which stimulates the local economy.

And we need to start planning now for fewer and fewer jobs with some universal basic income. Get some experiments underway. What does an economy look like with more and more robots and AI?

Lots of infrastructure and climate change mitigation. We're going to need forests thinned, firebreaks, fire, flood, and storm shelters up the wazoo.


Funding that would require not only removing the tax breaks that the .1% have accumulated over the last 40 years but slightly raising the taxes on everyone so that proposal is not going to happen with the current wing that's in charge of the DNC.
 
2020-11-27 11:59:49 AM  
I don't understand "abandoning the working class." Is healthcare bad for the working class? Planned Parenthood? Education? What haven't Democrats offered the working classes, other than simple grievances? HRC had a detailed retooling plan for failing industries. Did anyone care? What have Republicans offered the working classes?
 
2020-11-27 12:25:51 PM  
Fark says in shock.

Like we didn't already know this. But Fark is a snobby place.
 
2020-11-27 12:26:52 PM  
May be some Americans don't want fascism or Nazis in charge.

Maybe, just maybe, we are willing to make the other son of a biatch die for their cause.
Still.
 
2020-11-27 12:27:07 PM  
Ah the post-election Cletus Safari.
 
2020-11-27 12:27:29 PM  

red230: LadySusan: red230: There are Democrats everywhere, just like there are Republicans everywhere. I live in one of the bluest areas of California and we still had 20%-30% vote for Trump here. Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class and decided to throw their lot in with the Wall Street elites. It's not exactly inspiring when the candidate who's supposed to represent the working class launches their campaign at the home of the CEO of Comcast and later goes on to tell a a bunch of the donor class (as in $100 million plus) that nothing for them would fundamentally change if he were elected President. The Blue Dog\Third Way\Clinton Democrats that control the party have abandoned the poor and middle class so why should they expect any loyalty from them?

Fund skilled trades education, make that free along with college. Use the bully pulpit to provide a living wage and safe working conditions...especially for employees of mega sized companies. Use a light touch on regulations and laws, lead with Amazon and Walmart paying 15-20 bucks an hour to show that this works and then start with some laws and regulations that support and amplify the good. Support small businesses, especially with wage supports for their employees.

Just like we provided electricity to rural areas, provide lots of internet options. This has the option of encouraging tele-work which stimulates the local economy.

And we need to start planning now for fewer and fewer jobs with some universal basic income. Get some experiments underway. What does an economy look like with more and more robots and AI?

Lots of infrastructure and climate change mitigation. We're going to need forests thinned, firebreaks, fire, flood, and storm shelters up the wazoo.

Funding that would require not only removing the tax breaks that the .1% have accumulated over the last 40 years but slightly raising the taxes on everyone so that proposal is ...


We don't need to raise taxes on everyone.
 
2020-11-27 12:27:52 PM  
I'm one of them.

/district went 77% Trump
//down from 86% last election
 
2020-11-27 12:27:57 PM  

vudukungfu: May be some Americans don't want fascism or Nazis in charge.

Maybe, just maybe, we are willing to make the other son of a biatch die for their cause.
Still.


Rural America still longs for a fascist daddy figure.
 
2020-11-27 12:29:24 PM  

darkhorse23: I have friends in Tennessee who are farmers and Democrats and always have been. Unfortunately, they're not the vocal majority.


Every town in my part of the country (extreme red) votes liberal, by 20 or 30 points. I've checked the last two elections. Wyoming, Montana, Idaho--liberals all over the towns, overwhelmingly. The vote differences are as extreme as they are in cities.

But Fark is the place for snobs and brands and stereotypes, not thinkers.
 
2020-11-27 12:30:12 PM  

Captain Scratch: I don't understand "abandoning the working class." Is healthcare bad for the working class? Planned Parenthood? Education? What haven't Democrats offered the working classes, other than simple grievances? HRC had a detailed retooling plan for failing industries. Did anyone care? What have Republicans offered the working classes?


The working class apparently doesn't care about any of those things. Meanwhile the Republicans promise they'll keep coal and oil and factories and other generations-old family-handed-down going forever and ever which really motivates a lot of the workers.
 
2020-11-27 12:30:30 PM  

Fart_Machine: vudukungfu: May be some Americans don't want fascism or Nazis in charge.

Maybe, just maybe, we are willing to make the other son of a biatch die for their cause.
Still.

Rural America still longs for a fascist daddy figure.


That's only because with said 'fascist daddy figure', they can whine, biatch and moan, and will usually get paid off by the government the louder they complain.
 
2020-11-27 12:31:51 PM  
That must be why Bernie was so unpopular among the rurals.
Not
 
2020-11-27 12:31:58 PM  

Captain Scratch: I don't understand "abandoning the working class." Is healthcare bad for the working class? Planned Parenthood? Education? What haven't Democrats offered the working classes, other than simple grievances? HRC had a detailed retooling plan for failing industries. Did anyone care? What have Republicans offered the working classes?


Fear. Hate endorphins. A misguided direction to lash over their dissatisfaction with their life and a changing world that they don't understand.
 
2020-11-27 12:32:07 PM  
Rural America is dead, and this is basically their death cry before they throw themselves off the cliff like lemmings.

30 years of voting in the kind of people that shafted their lifestyle and made sure their kids ran away from their parents screaming at the first opportunity, and they still can't understand what happened. When corporations take over the farming industry completely, and rural America is taken over by migrants and brown people that rural America formerly couldn't stand, the cycle will be complete.
 
2020-11-27 12:33:48 PM  
While I wish it was true that Democrats were all for socializing medicine, UBI, and other things... it just isn't true... so these people are complaining about this leftward drift of Democrats that simply isn't happening... as a liberal, I think that Democrats could actually draw more people in, if they stood up for something, because it seems like they're losing people on the hard right to the notion that they're drifting that way anyways, while lots of liberals are somewhat unmotivated because the Democratic party openly, routinely, and frequently, blames liberals for all it's woes.
 
2020-11-27 12:34:24 PM  
If anyone thinks that fascism is more reasonable than social democracy, they ain't fittin' to vote Democratic anytime soon.
 
2020-11-27 12:34:31 PM  
"Donald Trump's 7M vote loss shows a dire warning for Republicans in America"

Fixed it for you, "liberal media".
 
2020-11-27 12:34:36 PM  
The problem is the older you get, your priorities shift.  When you get a job, have a house, trying to build a career and put savings away I think your attitude becomes more conservative.  Sure, you can still want what's best for the environment and social equality, but the fact remains there is an underlying desire to keep what you have and not want it taxed away.  That's the power of the Republicans, their message, even though flawed and deceptive, it does resonate and many are willing to vote for bad people if they think it is in their self interest.  Once you go down the dark side it is easy to get lost.
 
2020-11-27 12:35:39 PM  
So according to TFA they voted for Trump because of economic issues even though he farked them even more.

Common clay of the new west indeed.
 
2020-11-27 12:36:02 PM  

cryinoutloud: darkhorse23: I have friends in Tennessee who are farmers and Democrats and always have been. Unfortunately, they're not the vocal majority.

Every town in my part of the country (extreme red) votes liberal, by 20 or 30 points. I've checked the last two elections. Wyoming, Montana, Idaho--liberals all over the towns, overwhelmingly. The vote differences are as extreme as they are in cities.

But Fark is the place for snobs and brands and stereotypes, not thinkers.


Yes, let's pretend it is farks fault that the stereotype of the "Rural ignorant racist white republican" is accurate.
 
2020-11-27 12:36:14 PM  

HedlessChickn: I'm one of them.

/district went 77% Trump
//down from 86% last election


As am I.  People around me constantly biatching about the welfare state but they all get some kind of farming subsidy.
 
2020-11-27 12:36:27 PM  
Both these statements are in the article.  So which is it?  Did they actually move to the left, or did they not defend against republican false accusations they moved to the left?

That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.

Unanswered, Trump's claims that Biden and other Democrats are proponents of socialism and eliminating police departments, as unfounded as they were, resonated in small towns
 
2020-11-27 12:36:35 PM  

cryinoutloud: darkhorse23: I have friends in Tennessee who are farmers and Democrats and always have been. Unfortunately, they're not the vocal majority.

Every town in my part of the country (extreme red) votes liberal, by 20 or 30 points. I've checked the last two elections. Wyoming, Montana, Idaho--liberals all over the towns, overwhelmingly. The vote differences are as extreme as they are in cities.

But Fark is the place for snobs and brands and stereotypes, not thinkers.


I don't think Fark is suggesting that there's zero liberals in Rural America. We're suggesting that enough of the area drank the Red Kool-Aid and voted against their own interests long enough that it doesn't really matter anymore. The damage is far too lasting to save the communities, and is basically on a slow death march that no one will be able to stop, even if the conservative idiots there figure out they were pawns and change their tune.
 
2020-11-27 12:37:29 PM  
Let me get this right.  The group that receives the largest subsidies in the country are complaining that the democrats are moving too far left.... because they think others should also have those opportunities?

That's my takeaway.

Otherwise it's "they're paying too much attention to black people."
 
2020-11-27 12:37:36 PM  
It's easy to test how parties drift, look at their material over the years.
 
2020-11-27 12:37:39 PM  

cryinoutloud: Fark says in shock.

Like we didn't already know this. But Fark is a snobby place.


That's fair. Let me pick your brain then: There is a large demographic of primarily rural voters that support a set of social and economic policies that are mostly wrong. How would you propose to convince them of that in a way that doesn't make them feel marginalized?
 
2020-11-27 12:38:04 PM  

red230: There are Democrats everywhere, just like there are Republicans everywhere. I live in one of the bluest areas of California and we still had 20%-30% vote for Trump here. Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class and decided to throw their lot in with the Wall Street elites. It's not exactly inspiring when the candidate who's supposed to represent the working class launches their campaign at the home of the CEO of Comcast and later goes on to tell a a bunch of the donor class (as in $100 million plus) that nothing for them would fundamentally change if he were elected President. The Blue Dog\Third Way\Clinton Democrats that control the party have abandoned the poor and middle class so why should they expect any loyalty from them?


I mean, the context for the "nothing will fundamentally change" was Biden telling those rich donors that we needed to raise taxes, and that raising taxes wasn't suddenly going to make them poor. You're complaining about Biden telling his own donors that he was going to raise their taxes, and that they're just going to have to suck it up and stop whining like higher taxes were going to seriously harm them.
 
2020-11-27 12:38:25 PM  

TelemonianAjax: FTFA:
"
That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.
"We've got to see if we can get the Democratic Party to moderate and accept the fact that rural Minnesota is not getting more conservative," said Bakk, who announced last week that he would become an independent after serving 25 years as a Democrat. "It's that you guys are leaving them behind.""

And the article never says what that looks like. Little words about election results and vague statements like this about how Dems need to do...something...but no words about what that means. What "rural issues" should Dems talk about? Corporate farms and hi tech equipment killing small farms? Opioid addiction? Lack of vibrant economies to keep young people in rural areas? Education inequities from property tax funding education?

Democrats do talk about these issues but the voters dont like their solutions because those solutions address the issues and try to solve them. These voters want to be told that these AREN'T real problems and they don't have to work to fix them - all they have to do is vote Republican and they wont have to hear about their problems anymore. Then they can hear about how "they" (read: Democrats, blacks and gays) are stopping the Republican hero from making things better.

There is no messaging fix here. Rural voters do not want to address real problems. They want to elect people who tell them their problems are all because of other people messing things up not THEM. If Dems change their messaging to say "coal is fine and you should have the same job your granddaddy prayed nightly you would never have to do" then...what's the farking point? Rurals won't vote for a Democrat who says that because they "know" that Democrats dont mean that so he's just lying to get my vote.

The people have given up on fixing their problems an ...


I've been giving this a lot of thought recently, and I think I've coalesced around a tenet that you touched on:  Democrats tell people to take their medicine, and Republicans blame the doctor.  We've seen this play out a few times now where Republicans torch legislation/cut taxes that causes a crisis, Democrats get voted in to fix it.  People get angry at Democrats for "telling them to do stuff" that's outside their norm or conflicts with their narrative, so they vote Democrat out.  Republican comes in, and the cycle repeats.  Not enough people conflate the "getting better" part to the work being done by government, they just think it's the invisible sky wizard or Supply-side Jesus or some other shiat.  Something or someone has to break that cycle.
 
2020-11-27 12:39:02 PM  

TelemonianAjax: FTFA:
"
That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.
"We've got to see if we can get the Democratic Party to moderate and accept the fact that rural Minnesota is not getting more conservative," said Bakk, who announced last week that he would become an independent after serving 25 years as a Democrat. "It's that you guys are leaving them behind.""

And the article never says what that looks like. Little words about election results and vague statements like this about how Dems need to do...something...but no words about what that means. What "rural issues" should Dems talk about? Corporate farms and hi tech equipment killing small farms? Opioid addiction? Lack of vibrant economies to keep young people in rural areas? Education inequities from property tax funding education?

Democrats do talk about these issues but the voters dont like their solutions because those solutions address the issues and try to solve them. These voters want to be told that these AREN'T real problems and they don't have to work to fix them - all they have to do is vote Republican and they wont have to hear about their problems anymore. Then they can hear about how "they" (read: Democrats, blacks and gays) are stopping the Republican hero from making things better.

There is no messaging fix here. Rural voters do not want to address real problems. They want to elect people who tell them their problems are all because of other people messing things up not THEM. If Dems change their messaging to say "coal is fine and you should have the same job your granddaddy prayed nightly you would never have to do" then...what's the farking point? Rurals won't vote for a Democrat who says that because they "know" that Democrats dont mean that so he's just lying to get my vote.

The people have given up on fixing their problems and have focused on making everyone else's life as miserable as their own.


Reposting due to extreme agreement.
 
2020-11-27 12:41:14 PM  
Are they really Democrats if they are voting Republican ??
 
2020-11-27 12:41:27 PM  

dammit just give me a login: That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.

It's not that the Democrats have moved to the left. The Republicans have moved further right and the Democrats are the party of "everyone else." Thus they contain the far left, the left, and the moderates. The Republican party is mostly the far right.
The bs about Biden and Harris being the most radical leftist socialists would have been laughable if it wasn't so widely believed when the Republican shills flogged it during the election. Even the election mailers I got for local council members made the point repeatedly.



Agreed.  Utter bullshiat.

To say that rural America is unchanging in its politics is to ignore politics in the US since at least the Great Depression.

What's actually happening is that the parties are now less about liberal and conservative, and are now explicitly about urban/rural.

I.e. it's all about racism.
 
2020-11-27 12:41:50 PM  
Democrats abandoned labor and regulatory control of industries which caused their yellow dog base to suffer.

Trump's base is evangelicals everywhere. Populist issues are popular in red states.

Single payer. Minimum wage increases. Right to Organize. Trade policy that protects American jobs. Investment in renewables.


There is a lot of open land in red states. Wind, solar, and hydro are all viable out there.
 
2020-11-27 12:42:13 PM  

red230: Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class


Both Hillary and Biden won the working class, in both their primaries and generals.

The real reason the rust belt "turned red" is that Republicans have been very successful at identifying the parts of that region where brown people live, and targeting them with attacks on voting rights, with a fairly significant assist from so-called "progressives" who provide them cover with bullshiat about democrats being race and class traitors.
 
2020-11-27 12:42:41 PM  
Not to worry!  At this very moment, Proud Boys and Boogaloo Bois are awaiting their directive from Glorious Leader to eliminate the democrat problem Once And For All.
 
2020-11-27 12:42:52 PM  
Oh course you're getting left behind. You don't want to change according to the environment. You want to be lied to with comforting lies, instead of facig the hard facts, you useless leeches.
 
2020-11-27 12:43:33 PM  
In an entire article about how the Democrats are moving left, there is not a single example given of how their policies are offending rural voters.
 
2020-11-27 12:43:46 PM  

red230: There are Democrats everywhere, just like there are Republicans everywhere. I live in one of the bluest areas of California and we still had 20%-30% vote for Trump here. Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class and decided to throw their lot in with the Wall Street elites. It's not exactly inspiring when the candidate who's supposed to represent the working class launches their campaign at the home of the CEO of Comcast and later goes on to tell a a bunch of the donor class (as in $100 million plus) that nothing for them would fundamentally change if he were elected President. The Blue Dog\Third Way\Clinton Democrats that control the party have abandoned the poor and middle class so why should they expect any loyalty from them?


Hey waitafugginminute. I thought the Demonrats were OOGA BOOGA SOCIALISTS.
 
2020-11-27 12:43:50 PM  
That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right white, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left become too inclusive for many rural whitevoters

FTFY Tom.
 
2020-11-27 12:44:38 PM  

Skleenar: dammit just give me a login: That's not because voters there are suddenly shifting to the right, said Tom Bakk, who represents the area in the state Senate. It's because, he said, Democrats have steadily moved too far to the left for many rural voters.

It's not that the Democrats have moved to the left. The Republicans have moved further right and the Democrats are the party of "everyone else." Thus they contain the far left, the left, and the moderates. The Republican party is mostly the far right.
The bs about Biden and Harris being the most radical leftist socialists would have been laughable if it wasn't so widely believed when the Republican shills flogged it during the election. Even the election mailers I got for local council members made the point repeatedly.


Agreed.  Utter bullshiat.

To say that rural America is unchanging in its politics is to ignore politics in the US since at least the Great Depression.

What's actually happening is that the parties are now less about liberal and conservative, and are now explicitly about urban/rural.

I.e. it's all about racism.


Right. Because rural America decided to wait until 30 years after the CRA to allow Congress to flip to the republicans in 1994.

The "Southern Strategy" is just bullshiat centrist revisionism. LBJ was a racist bipolar mess, but he forced the CRA through, because the issues that affect poor minorities are the same that affect poor whites.
 
2020-11-27 12:44:39 PM  

TelemonianAjax: And the article never says what that looks like. Little words about election results and vague statements like this about how Dems need to do...something...but no words about what that means. What "rural issues" should Dems talk about? Corporate farms and hi tech equipment killing small farms? Opioid addiction? Lack of vibrant economies to keep young people in rural areas? Education inequities from property tax funding education?

Democrats do talk about these issues but the voters dont like their solutions because those solutions address the issues and try to solve them. These voters want to be told that these AREN'T real problems and they don't have to work to fix them - all they have to do is vote Republican and they wont have to hear about their problems anymore. Then they can hear about how "they" (read: Democrats, blacks and gays) are stopping the Republican hero from making things better.

There is no messaging fix here. Rural voters do not want to address real problems. They want to elect people who tell them their problems are all because of other people messing things up not THEM. If Dems change their messaging to say "coal is fine and you should have the same job your granddaddy prayed nightly you would never have to do" then...what's the farking point? Rurals won't vote for a Democrat who says that because they "know" that Democrats dont mean that so he's just lying to get my vote.

The people have given up on fixing their problems and have focused on making everyone else's life as miserable as their own.


Kinda true, kinda not. Bail reform, attacking the opiod epidemic, addressing healthcare inequities for poor and working class folks, and loads of issues stripped of partisanship, those issues resonate with rural and largely yes, white rural folks. That gets clouded by the "Obamacare v. Everything The ACA did, does or could do if state opted in" rhetoric of the do-nothing+know-nothing+greedmongerer party. Not sure how to draw that circle for people like my family, like most people in this county I'm in until  Saturday (no, I didn't go to a family gathering out if state but I'm sure using an empty little out of state family farmhouse part-time), but the national and statewide Dems need to do it because 1. We need the votes, 2. We need to not dismiss the next generation of those folks because they'll vote eventually, 3. It's the right thing to do. and 4. All of the above.

/This far, no further, dammit.
 
2020-11-27 12:45:08 PM  

red230: There are Democrats everywhere, just like there are Republicans everywhere. I live in one of the bluest areas of California and we still had 20%-30% vote for Trump here. Rural Democrats are leaving the party for the same reason the rust belt turned red. Democrats have abandoned the working class and decided to throw their lot in with the Wall Street elites. It's not exactly inspiring when the candidate who's supposed to represent the working class launches their campaign at the home of the CEO of Comcast and later goes on to tell a a bunch of the donor class (as in $100 million plus) that nothing for them would fundamentally change if he were elected President. The Blue Dog\Third Way\Clinton Democrats that control the party have abandoned the poor and middle class so why should they expect any loyalty from them?


President "30,000 Dow is a Sacred Number" says this analysis is bullshiat.

What do you suppose these voters get by switching to the party that never has had their economic back?
 
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