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(Politico)   A government shutdown is not off the table : the lame duck trump admin everybody   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-11-27 5:57:36 AM  
Can't transfer power if everything is shut down, ey?
 
2020-11-27 6:02:39 AM  
Aren't there significant staff furloughs anyways because of Covid restrictions? It's almost like a shutdown of a shutdown.
 
2020-11-27 6:03:47 AM  
He could barely avoid shutdowns every year - even when everyone agreed that he was potus*
 
2020-11-27 6:08:02 AM  
Is this a functioning government to anybody?
 
2020-11-27 6:11:11 AM  
What does Trump have to do with this?

The only paragraph in TFA that even refers to him is

Top Senate Republicans have signaled that the White House will sign off on an omnibus, rather than another continuing resolution that would keep federal funding flat while avoiding a shutdown. But officials' assurances as to what President Donald Trump will ultimately support have been somewhat vague.
 
2020-11-27 6:19:55 AM  

Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?


What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.
 
2020-11-27 6:22:05 AM  

Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?


Do you really think Trump wouldn't consider a veto just as a final "fark you"?
 
2020-11-27 6:22:55 AM  
"duck trump"? I read "dump truck"....
 
2020-11-27 6:24:00 AM  
During the worst epidemic in a century?  Republicans are evil.
 
2020-11-27 6:25:00 AM  
Gotta stiggit to their supporters the most, I suppose.
 
2020-11-27 6:29:09 AM  

Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?


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2020-11-27 6:37:17 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.


This is Congress's job. Trump isn't involved int he process except the final "yay or nay". So giving him all the attention is taking the focus off the GOP in Congress.

spiralscratch: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

Do you really think Trump wouldn't consider a veto just as a final "fark you"?


He could. He could also jump out the window. It's pure speculation, with no indication one way or the other, so how about we not make the conversation all about him.
 
2020-11-27 6:38:44 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.


Also, Trump isn't the Head of Government.

He's the head of the executive branch. 1/3rd of the government.
 
2020-11-27 6:40:39 AM  

Lackofname: PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.

Also, Trump isn't the Head of Government.

He's the head of the executive branch. 1/3rd of the government.


He's the leader of the Republican party which controls the Senate and the Courts(not officially).
 
2020-11-27 6:55:30 AM  

Lackofname: PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.

Also, Trump isn't the Head of Government.

He's the head of the executive branch. 1/3rd of the government.


Granted. But if he was a leader, in his 4th year in office, he'd have his ducks in Congress lined up by now - without the threat of shutdown. Shutdowns used to be considered to be a severe sign of ineptitude from the Oval Office - he's the Chief Executive. Not the Cheer Executive, blithely yae'ing or nay'ing.
 
2020-11-27 7:18:19 AM  

spiralscratch: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

Do you really think Trump wouldn't consider a veto just as a final "fark you"?


That right there is the correct answer to the question.
 
2020-11-27 7:27:54 AM  
I've just about used up that twelve hundee from 6 MONTHS AGO - could you send me another check with your name on it?
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Personally I'm buying rocks with it - also Kyle has his eyes set on another gun
 
2020-11-27 7:39:29 AM  

RasIanI: Lackofname: PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.

Also, Trump isn't the Head of Government.

He's the head of the executive branch. 1/3rd of the government.

Granted. But if he was a leader, in his 4th year in office, he'd have his ducks in Congress lined up by now - without the threat of shutdown. Shutdowns used to be considered to be a severe sign of ineptitude from the Oval Office - he's the Chief Executive. Not the Cheer Executive, blithely yae'ing or nay'ing.


Voters didn't want a conventional "boring" POTUS in 2016, and Hillary sent emails.  So economic crisis and a pandemic it is.
/#45 Doesn't care, Stonks at 30,000 interest rates at 0.75%.
 
2020-11-27 7:50:13 AM  

Northern: RasIanI: Lackofname: PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.

Also, Trump isn't the Head of Government.

He's the head of the executive branch. 1/3rd of the government.

Granted. But if he was a leader, in his 4th year in office, he'd have his ducks in Congress lined up by now - without the threat of shutdown. Shutdowns used to be considered to be a severe sign of ineptitude from the Oval Office - he's the Chief Executive. Not the Cheer Executive, blithely yae'ing or nay'ing.

Voters didn't want a conventional "boring" POTUS in 2016, and Hillary sent emails.  So economic crisis and a pandemic it is.
/#45 Doesn't care, Stonks at 30,000 interest rates at 0.75%.


Zombie stock market.

We are at least 6 months out on a vaccine rate where the economy could start to try to recover, but the process of getting back to work and the timelines on production to sale of most goods will push that back another year or two. We also haven't seen the bubble fully pop on the office space real-estate market, especially since most offices are probably going to stay work at home. We can't drop interest rates lower to pump money in and printing more would make things worse. The only option left is more stimulus payments to businesses and citizens, but that hangs on the run off elections in Georgia, which are still up in the air, but if McTurtle Farkface keeps control, we will stay in this recession for an additional 2 years.

These are all things that Trump both doesn't understand or care about. The same goes for most of the GOP at this point.
 
2020-11-27 7:57:50 AM  

MegaLib: During the worst epidemic in a century?  Republicans are evil.


They would be fulfilling a campaign promise. If they allowed government to function they worked never get re-elected.
 
2020-11-27 8:03:31 AM  
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2020-11-27 8:19:15 AM  

Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

The only paragraph in TFA that even refers to him is

Top Senate Republicans have signaled that the White House will sign off on an omnibus, rather than another continuing resolution that would keep federal funding flat while avoiding a shutdown. But officials' assurances as to what President Donald Trump will ultimately support have been somewhat vague.


Trump needs some dirt on Hunter Biden before signing off on any proposal.
 
2020-11-27 8:24:23 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Is this a functioning government to anybody?


Seems to work just fine for Mitch McConnell, at least.
 
2020-11-27 8:32:23 AM  

BeesNuts: Night Train to Wakanda: Is this a functioning government to anybody?

Seems to work just fine for Mitch McConnell, at least.


And for the demon he sold his soul to as well. Look at all the suffering caused by just that one man not letting a government function. Now add in all the crap that happened outside the country because the US is too busy cutting its nose off and none of the other countries knew how to not start being total d!%&s to each other, let alone get those that were trying to bend over/kill their neighbors to stop. All that linked to one anthropomorphic turtle's choices.
 
2020-11-27 9:24:09 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Aren't there significant staff furloughs anyways because of Covid restrictions? It's almost like a shutdown of a shutdown.


No? where did you hear that?

Local/state gov't are furloughing because they're out of money- state/local gov't can't "borrow" unlimited funds, they have to go out to bankers and request additional funds, and usually bankers want some kind of guarantee that they can pay it back at some point. So states (and local govt) have to generally balance their budget (in a general sense, not precisely year to year). The feds can literally print money, so they do whatever they want. Furloughs in government are generally for budget reasons.
 
2020-11-27 9:29:54 AM  
*shrug* as long as he doesn't do something really dumb like nuke Iran nothing is surprising as this child carries on with his sore losing. he is so pathetic it hurts.
LOSER
LOSER
 
2020-11-27 9:36:25 AM  

Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

The only paragraph in TFA that even refers to him is

Top Senate Republicans have signaled that the White House will sign off on an omnibus, rather than another continuing resolution that would keep federal funding flat while avoiding a shutdown. But officials' assurances as to what President Donald Trump will ultimately support have been somewhat vague.


Because a CR is the only thing that is remotely plausible to get passed in this timeframe.  So based on that quote, he would unilaterally use a veto to shut down the government.  Without even a pretext of some demand that he wants in the budget.
 
2020-11-27 10:02:04 AM  

spiralscratch: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

Do you really think Trump wouldn't consider a veto just as a final "fark you"?


More of a "sure, I can sign this, but I need you to do me a favor first..."
 
2020-11-27 10:04:16 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Aren't there significant staff furloughs anyways because of Covid restrictions? It's almost like a shutdown of a shutdown.


An asshat on an asshat.
 
2020-11-27 10:41:33 AM  
This is the nth possible shut down in how few years? Your country is the hyperbole of dysfunction.
 
2020-11-27 10:44:34 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.


Government shut downs aren't the product of the Trump administration; as I mentioned a minute ago, your country is rampant with dysfunction.
 
2020-11-27 10:47:35 AM  

cabal_man: Government shut downs aren't the product of the Trump administration; as I mentioned a minute ago, your country is rampant with dysfunction.


Not all of them are, but there's no possible way of arguing that the last one wasn't.
 
2020-11-27 11:58:07 AM  
Keep farking that chicken
 
2020-11-27 2:25:07 PM  
Three branches. Consider them as 2/6 "equal" each.

45* Executive: 2/6
45* SCOTUS: Roughly 1/6
45* Congress: 1/6 (Senate is owned by him)

45* owns and runs approximately 2/3 of the US government. Pretty cool how the idea of the three branches was supposed to create balance.
 
2020-11-27 3:17:51 PM  

Katie98_KT: Bennie Crabtree: Aren't there significant staff furloughs anyways because of Covid restrictions? It's almost like a shutdown of a shutdown.

No? where did you hear that?

Local/state gov't are furloughing because they're out of money- state/local gov't can't "borrow" unlimited funds, they have to go out to bankers and request additional funds, and usually bankers want some kind of guarantee that they can pay it back at some point. So states (and local govt) have to generally balance their budget (in a general sense, not precisely year to year). The feds can literally print money, so they do whatever they want. Furloughs in government are generally for budget reasons.


I thought that there were 1) government offices closed, and 2) not everyone got to work from home, and 3) no Covid money to pay people who aren't at work. So, 1 + 2  + 3 = Laid off government workers.
 
2020-11-27 4:36:54 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I thought that there were 1) government offices closed, and 2) not everyone got to work from home, and 3) no Covid money to pay people who aren't at work. So, 1 + 2  + 3 = Laid off government workers.


At the federal level, nobody has missed a paycheck.  Some people who are  "working from home" have basically been twiddling their thumbs for 8 months, but they are getting paid out of the same budget that they would have gotten paid from for actually working.  No extra COVID money needed.
 
2020-11-27 5:41:10 PM  
If only there were some built-in safe-guard to help get around Trump's signature... like a 2/3 vote override or something.

/too bad things are the way they are
 
2020-11-27 5:49:32 PM  

Hoblit: If only there were some built-in safe-guard to help get around Trump's signature... like a 2/3 vote override or something.

/too bad things are the way they are


Most GOP are too cowardly to vote against a Trump veto, even as a lame-duck.
 
2020-11-27 6:35:49 PM  

BMFPitt: Bennie Crabtree: I thought that there were 1) government offices closed, and 2) not everyone got to work from home, and 3) no Covid money to pay people who aren't at work. So, 1 + 2  + 3 = Laid off government workers.

At the federal level, nobody has missed a paycheck.  Some people who are  "working from home" have basically been twiddling their thumbs for 8 months, but they are getting paid out of the same budget that they would have gotten paid from for actually working.  No extra COVID money needed.


Ohhhh okay. Good. That is one bright spot in the whole...everything.
 
2020-11-28 7:36:21 AM  

Magruda: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

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Trump agrees the buck stops with him, it stops and hops in his pocket, every buck.
 
2020-11-28 2:02:10 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Northern: RasIanI: Lackofname: PerpetualPeristalsis: Lackofname: What does Trump have to do with this?

What does the head of government have to do with the actions of the government?  Great question. Great question.

Also, Trump isn't the Head of Government.

He's the head of the executive branch. 1/3rd of the government.

Granted. But if he was a leader, in his 4th year in office, he'd have his ducks in Congress lined up by now - without the threat of shutdown. Shutdowns used to be considered to be a severe sign of ineptitude from the Oval Office - he's the Chief Executive. Not the Cheer Executive, blithely yae'ing or nay'ing.

Voters didn't want a conventional "boring" POTUS in 2016, and Hillary sent emails.  So economic crisis and a pandemic it is.
/#45 Doesn't care, Stonks at 30,000 interest rates at 0.75%.

Zombie stock market.

We are at least 6 months out on a vaccine rate where the economy could start to try to recover, but the process of getting back to work and the timelines on production to sale of most goods will push that back another year or two. We also haven't seen the bubble fully pop on the office space real-estate market, especially since most offices are probably going to stay work at home. We can't drop interest rates lower to pump money in and printing more would make things worse. The only option left is more stimulus payments to businesses and citizens, but that hangs on the run off elections in Georgia, which are still up in the air, but if McTurtle Farkface keeps control, we will stay in this recession for an additional 2 years.

These are all things that Trump both doesn't understand or care about. The same goes for most of the GOP at this point.


McConnell and Blanche promised yesterday to cut social security, Medicare, and Medicaid.  In a pandemic where people can't work, and would push many disabled out of SSDI.  Ending the ACA or gutting it would be a disaster.  That is the GOP agenda for next year.
 
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