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(Abc.net.au)   After hitting a peak of over 700 active cases, and a strict lockdown of Australia's second most populous state, Victoria has now achieved 28 days without a new COVID case. Victoria's secret? They listened to experts   (abc.net.au) divider line
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2020-11-26 10:19:36 PM  
Main thing is to get people to wear their masks. They'll do it if you just ask nicely

https://imgur.com/gallery/SocUjti
 
2020-11-26 10:24:59 PM  
Yeah, but the problem with Victoria's Secret is that any Covid-19 masks they make will be tiny strips of lace-trimmed strings that no normal human could actually wear without being in horrific pain, and they'll charge out the . . . uh, nose, for them.
 
2020-11-26 10:25:13 PM  
Listening to experts is communism duh
 
2020-11-26 10:25:16 PM  

mjjt: Main thing is to get people to wear their masks. They'll do it if you just ask nicely

https://imgur.com/gallery/SocUjti


That is hilarious. Unfortunately, necessary.
 
2020-11-26 10:25:27 PM  
News flash - there is no secret to preventing the spread of COVID. In fact, it's basic farking science that most of us learned about in grade school. Wash your hands, masks prevent the spread of germs, stay distanced to avoid spreading germs, etc, etc

Our nation is a nation of idiots
 
2020-11-26 10:27:00 PM  
Even coronaviruses are afraid of drop bears.
 
2020-11-26 10:27:57 PM  
But if we listened to experts, we'd end up krakensocialistmediasorosemailhillaryh​unternevertrumpercommunistnazicthulhu. My logic is flawless.
 
2020-11-26 10:29:56 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: News flash - there is no secret to preventing the spread of COVID. In fact, it's basic farking science that most of us learned about in grade school. Wash your hands, masks prevent the spread of germs, stay distanced to avoid spreading germs, etc, etc

Our nation is a nation of idiots

+

and of obstinate dillholes
 
2020-11-26 10:30:23 PM  

Al Tsheimers: mjjt: Main thing is to get people to wear their masks. They'll do it if you just ask nicely

https://imgur.com/gallery/SocUjti

That is hilarious. Unfortunately, necessary.


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2020-11-26 10:31:55 PM  
Pfft.... sounds like a globalist conspiracy to me
 
2020-11-26 10:39:16 PM  
Listening to logic and common sense would never fly here in the United States of Because fark You, That's Why.
 
2020-11-26 10:41:02 PM  

mjjt: Main thing is to get people to wear their masks. They'll do it if you just ask nicely

https://imgur.com/gallery/SocUjti


Hero tag.
 
2020-11-26 10:41:30 PM  
At times it seems to me that some Australians are too willing to submit to authoritarians telling them about what's best for them. But there are undercurrents to that. Obviously, at times it can even be useful, like if telling people to evacuate, or to adjust their public behavior during a pandemic. And in turn, the government does tend to take care of its people, for example with a much more generous series of relief payments and unemployment benefits than the US gave out.

But also, when I write seems, it's also a problem of looking with American eyes. Because for many Australians, it isn't that they kowtow to authority, it's just that they respond in more subtle ways than huffy Americans. There's some savage levels of quite and subdued eye-rolling and silent disdain. But you would have to have watched people reacting to Tony Abbott to understand. Oh, and then go out for a few pints so that tongues loosened up a bit.
 
2020-11-26 10:42:15 PM  

moike: Listening to logic and common sense would never fly here in the United States of Because fark You, That's Why.


Because of the 40% of the population who are either jesus freaks or fascist bastards.

Murica is all about money and ME ME ME ME. Everything else doesnt matter.

All those things we're supposed to care about? That made up ''Murica is the best country'' bullshiat story we've been told by our parents since we were born? All a lie.

We're in denial about what America really is.
 
2020-11-26 10:49:16 PM  
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2020-11-26 10:50:00 PM  
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis says "Hold my beer".
 
2020-11-26 10:50:20 PM  
700+ cases per day subby.  Not just 700 active cases.
 
2020-11-26 10:51:49 PM  
Victoria's premier (equivalent of US governor) has been absolutely smashed in the right wing press for his efforts though.

pastramithemosterotic: News flash - there is no secret to preventing the spread of COVID. In fact, it's basic farking science that most of us learned about in grade school. Wash your hands, masks prevent the spread of germs, stay distanced to avoid spreading germs, etc, etc


Unfortunately another piece of mainstream science is that a certain percentage of people won't do what they are told if they don't want to, and there are no immediate and probable negative consequences of them not doing so.  That's why lockdowns are more effective than telling everyone to wear a mask - it's easier to enforce.
 
2020-11-26 10:51:54 PM  
It's my right to spread disease. It's all I can afford to do in this country.
 
2020-11-26 10:52:54 PM  

moike: Listening to logic and common sense would never fly here in the United States of Because fark You, That's Why.


Counterpoint: Logic and common sense are tools that the Global Davos Elite use to get us to accept Agenda 21, reject the simple truth that oil is good for you, and question the anecdotes that we hear in church. Therefore they are bad.
 
2020-11-26 10:55:51 PM  
Checklib, mates.
 
2020-11-26 11:00:38 PM  
It's been a shiatty few months here in Melbourne, and no lie. Lockdown is at best boring and socially isolating and at worst damaging to your mental health. I'm fortunate in that Mrs McSordid sand I both had continuing work, she at her school and I from home, on an ongoing contract with a dairy producer. So very glad I wasn't still contracted to the last company, who were aligned to the fuel and travel industries.

Went out to a nice restaurant last night to celebrate our youngest daughter's birthday. Felt weird, but very good. After work, I plan to sample my latest home brew, which I have named "Doughnut Daze" in celebration.

Good luck to all Farkers elsewhere in the world. Lockdown was pretty ordinary, but so much better than dying of COVID.
 
2020-11-26 11:02:22 PM  

lolmao500: moike: Listening to logic and common sense would never fly here in the United States of Because fark You, That's Why.

Because of the 40% of the population who are either jesus freaks or fascist bastards.

Murica is all about money and ME ME ME ME. Everything else doesnt matter.

All those things we're supposed to care about? That made up ''Murica is the best country'' bullshiat story we've been told by our parents since we were born? All a lie.

We're in denial about what America really is.


No. we are really pissed at what America has become.   Also, we used to have to depend on ourselves : now we are dependent on technology, which is great, and is now doing our thinking and working for us.. idle minds and all of that...
 
2020-11-26 11:03:05 PM  
China also had high efficacy with welding people in their homes. In fact, they had so much success in doing so that their economy is back to where it was pre-Covid and people are now "rage traveling" the country to make up for lost time.

I fully support welding people in their homes and closing everything down - including grocery stores - like China did. If we're intent on beating the virus, we might as well beat it.
 
2020-11-26 11:04:46 PM  

Jesus McSordid: It's been a shiatty few months here in Melbourne, and no lie. Lockdown is at best boring and socially isolating and at worst damaging to your mental health.


Plus you have a plethora of poisonous animals on your continent just waiting in shoes ready to kill you.
 
2020-11-26 11:06:10 PM  
Are they certain they're not just reading the graphs upside down?
 
2020-11-26 11:06:36 PM  
Good job, Vic!

As opposed to Ontario, Canada, where we aren't controlling a damn thing because our government is ignoring experts.

/Thank you to whoever submitted this article yesterday, my friends and family appreciated reading it
 
2020-11-26 11:07:07 PM  

wademh: At times it seems to me that some Australians are too willing to submit to authoritarians telling them about what's best for them. But there are undercurrents to that. Obviously, at times it can even be useful, like if telling people to evacuate, or to adjust their public behavior during a pandemic.


I think there is a subtlety you are missing here.  Countries are on a continuum.  Some tend more towards people having a view of the government as them (an embodiment of their collective).  Some tend more towards the people having a view of the government as "other" (an external actor).

Australia is in my guesstimation somewhere in the middle.  The US is towards "other" and, say, the Scandinavians and Germans are towards "them".  It was interesting participating in online debates in Aust. about the initial lockdowns.  You had people who were of the "I'm not doing what the government says, help, help I'm being oppressed" school.  You had people who were of the "we need to do this because it will be best for all of us" school.

I don't recall a single person saying "we should do this because the government says we should", which is what you are saying.
 
2020-11-26 11:07:16 PM  
There's plenty of things trying to kill us in Australia, so we tend not to try to kill each other.  I think we also have a kind of cultural empathy towards each other.  I don't want to be responsible for the death of the grandmother of the guy in front of me at the shops... so I keep my distance.  In all likelihood, I don't have Covid, but it keeps my conscience clean.

I'm not sure that Americans feel the same way.
 
2020-11-26 11:12:56 PM  

princhester: Victoria's premier (equivalent of US governor) has been absolutely smashed in the right wing press for his efforts though.

pastramithemosterotic: News flash - there is no secret to preventing the spread of COVID. In fact, it's basic farking science that most of us learned about in grade school. Wash your hands, masks prevent the spread of germs, stay distanced to avoid spreading germs, etc, etc

Unfortunately another piece of mainstream science is that a certain percentage of people won't do what they are told if they don't want to, and there are no immediate and probable negative consequences of them not doing so.  That's why lockdowns are more effective than telling everyone to wear a mask - it's easier to enforce.


We can pinpoint the problem in your post, which you exposed without even realizing it.

There is no such thing as "mainstream" science. There is researched, demonstrable, repeatable results based on scientific principles, and then there's woo, magic, and nonsense. Somehow the country became convinced that the people who save lives, make things that improve our lives, and do amazing things like send men to the moon did it via magic, and therefore they have less credibility than some bimbo telling them that the airlines are poisoning them with nitrogen-rich air or another lunatic saying that drinking bleach can cure a viral epidemic.
 
2020-11-26 11:13:07 PM  
No ancient Chinese Calgon secret.

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2020-11-26 11:13:10 PM  

mjjt: Main thing is to get people to wear their masks. They'll do it if you just ask nicely

https://imgur.com/gallery/SocUjti


i've been saying it for years: if we could smack biatches upside the head we would have a more intelligent, more polite society.
 
2020-11-26 11:18:36 PM  
I'll always believe that if we had gone an extra 4 weeks of what we were doing up until Memorial Day, we could have controlled this thing.

But people couldn't hold out. From March until May, we did the right thing for the most part. We were scared. But people got tired of it after 2 months. And because they couldn't hold out one more month, here we are. It wouldn't have been that easy, but we could have gotten it under control, but we couldn't hold out one more month.

Here in Utah, it's uncontrolled. Because my neighbors are insane. Some STILL think it's a hoax. I just don't get it.

Morans, morans everywhere.
 
2020-11-26 11:19:09 PM  
Congratulations, Victoria. Your efforts have saved twelve people from spending a few days with a nagging cough while killing about as many people who will die from cancer, suicide, or drug OD due to being welded into their houses with no preventative health screenings and no human contact.
 
2020-11-26 11:20:27 PM  

Tommy Moo: Congratulations, Victoria. Your efforts have saved twelve people from spending a few days with a nagging cough while killing about as many people who will die from cancer, suicide, or drug OD due to being welded into their houses with no preventative health screenings and no human contact.


Like this guy. Moran.
 
2020-11-26 11:22:30 PM  

princhester: Victoria's premier (equivalent of US governor) has been absolutely smashed in the right wing press for his efforts though.

pastramithemosterotic: News flash - there is no secret to preventing the spread of COVID. In fact, it's basic farking science that most of us learned about in grade school. Wash your hands, masks prevent the spread of germs, stay distanced to avoid spreading germs, etc, etc

Unfortunately another piece of mainstream science is that a certain percentage of people won't do what they are told if they don't want to, and there are no immediate and probable negative consequences of them not doing so.  That's why lockdowns are more effective than telling everyone to wear a mask - it's easier to enforce.


I recall reading a story about how some of the outbreaks failed to be controlled. People who had just flown in from overseas were put up in a hotel for quarantine. And they hired some guards. But it seems like they didn't really give the guards instructions. And the image that came out was like the scene from The Holy Grail before the wedding.
FATHER Make sure the Prince doesn't leave this room until I come and get him.
FIRST GUARD Not ... to leave the room ... even if you come and get him.
FATHER No. Until I come and get him.
SECOND GUARD Hic. FIRST GUARD Until you come and get him, we're not to enter the room.
FATHER No ... You stay in the room and make sure he doesn't leave.

Essentially, the people being quarantined were ultimately free to come and go, leaving for a coffee or a stroll.
And the guards who also cleaned up leftover dishes and such didn't have masks or gloves. It took awhile for the mid-level authorities to figure out their jobs. They did, eventually, but let's just say that mistakes were made along the way.
 
2020-11-26 11:25:26 PM  

lolmao500: Listening to experts is communism duh


"Listening to experts to set policy is an elitist approach," said state. Sen. Steven Thayn.

"At a recent legislative hearing, Thayn, vice chair of an education committee, pushed a bill that would take authority away from Idaho's local health districts so they can't enforce school closures or mandatory mask orders. Many Republicans argued that local school boards should have the final say, not public health experts."

NPR - August 17, 2020 - Rural Schools Struggle With Road Ahead In Era Of Coronavirus
 
2020-11-26 11:29:42 PM  

OlderGuy: lolmao500: moike: Listening to logic and common sense would never fly here in the United States of Because fark You, That's Why.

Because of the 40% of the population who are either jesus freaks or fascist bastards.

Murica is all about money and ME ME ME ME. Everything else doesnt matter.

All those things we're supposed to care about? That made up ''Murica is the best country'' bullshiat story we've been told by our parents since we were born? All a lie.

We're in denial about what America really is.

No. we are really pissed at what America has become.   Also, we used to have to depend on ourselves : now we are dependent on technology, which is great, and is now doing our thinking and working for us.. idle minds and all of that...


And the ones crying the loudest about what America has lost are the very ones doing it.
 
2020-11-26 11:31:45 PM  
Maybe those bad wildfires they had recently put people in a more survivalist mindset.
 
2020-11-26 11:31:46 PM  

Tommy Moo: Congratulations, Victoria. Your efforts have saved twelve people from spending a few days with a nagging cough while killing about as many people who will die from cancer, suicide, or drug OD due to being welded into their houses with no preventative health screenings and no human contact.


Covidiots

Allow me to present exhibit A. ^
 
2020-11-26 11:39:21 PM  

Tommy Moo: Congratulations, Victoria. Your efforts have saved twelve people from spending a few days with a nagging cough while killing about as many people who will die from cancer, suicide, or drug OD due to being welded into their houses with no preventative health screenings and no human contact.


Happy Thanksgiving to everyone except this asshole.
 
2020-11-26 11:39:50 PM  
All your fancy science talk is just the liberal media lying.  Australia doesn't even exist anymore.  It's become the Road Warrior.
 
2020-11-26 11:40:06 PM  

toraque: Yeah, but the problem with Victoria's Secret is that any Covid-19 masks they make will be tiny strips of lace-trimmed strings that no normal human could actually wear without being in horrific pain, and they'll charge out the . . . uh, nose, for them.


Like this one.. NSFW

Scuzz Twittly - Wear a Mask
Youtube GR5euNDTzCI
 
2020-11-26 11:41:07 PM  

Wanderlusting: China also had high efficacy with welding people in their homes. In fact, they had so much success in doing so that their economy is back to where it was pre-Covid and people are now "rage traveling" the country to make up for lost time.


Queensland and Victoria both had almost total success stomping on this thing without measures quite that extreme.  Victoria was a little unlucky in that they almost had the thing under control and then had a super spreader incident which put them back a couple of months.

I read an article by a somewhat cynical and tired epidemiologist right at the outbreak of this thing about what was going to happen.  What I found particularly interesting was that he was able to predict not only what would work and what would not, he was also able to predict (completely correctly, as it turns out) that a certain relatively high percentage of places would totally fark it up, even while being told precisely how and why they were farking it up.  And there was nothing he or any other epidemiologist could do about it.

I can't now find the article but if my recollection is correct, he predicted that certain places (no matter what they were told) would go for a "soft" lockdown which wouldn't work and by the time those places finally realized they needed a hard lockdown, the virus would be thoroughly spread through their community, their economy would be farked, and their population would be so sick of the ongoing half-hearted lockdown that they wouldn't comply.

We are seeing this exactly now in, for example, the UK and the US.
 
2020-11-26 11:41:29 PM  

OlderGuy: lolmao500: moike: Listening to logic and common sense would never fly here in the United States of Because fark You, That's Why.

Because of the 40% of the population who are either jesus freaks or fascist bastards.

Murica is all about money and ME ME ME ME. Everything else doesnt matter.

All those things we're supposed to care about? That made up ''Murica is the best country'' bullshiat story we've been told by our parents since we were born? All a lie.

We're in denial about what America really is.

No. we are really pissed at what America has become.   Also, we used to have to depend on ourselves : now we are dependent on technology, which is great, and is now doing our thinking and working for us.. idle minds and all of that...


You never depended on yourselves - this is the rot of the lie at the heart of America. Rugged individualism only succeeds by way of the help and knowledge you get from other people who're stronger and more knowledgeable than you, and the groundwork people laid before before you. It's fine to be proud of what you can achieve - it's corrupt to believe you did anything by yourself and people shouldn't need to depend on other people.
 
2020-11-26 11:42:07 PM  

princhester: wademh: At times it seems to me that some Australians are too willing to submit to authoritarians telling them about what's best for them. But there are undercurrents to that. Obviously, at times it can even be useful, like if telling people to evacuate, or to adjust their public behavior during a pandemic.

I think there is a subtlety you are missing here.  Countries are on a continuum.  Some tend more towards people having a view of the government as them (an embodiment of their collective).  Some tend more towards the people having a view of the government as "other" (an external actor).

Australia is in my guesstimation somewhere in the middle.  The US is towards "other" and, say, the Scandinavians and Germans are towards "them".  It was interesting participating in online debates in Aust. about the initial lockdowns.  You had people who were of the "I'm not doing what the government says, help, help I'm being oppressed" school.  You had people who were of the "we need to do this because it will be best for all of us" school.

I don't recall a single person saying "we should do this because the government says we should", which is what you are saying.


I think the school americans most identify to is the ''fark everybody else, I'm more important than society'' school.
 
2020-11-26 11:47:03 PM  

princhester: I read an article by a somewhat cynical and tired epidemiologist right at the outbreak of this thing about what was going to happen.  What I found particularly interesting was that he was able to predict not only what would work and what would not, he was also able to predict (completely correctly, as it turns out) that a certain relatively high percentage of places would totally fark it up, even while being told precisely how and why they were farking it up.  And there was nothing he or any other epidemiologist could do about it.

I can't now find the article but if my recollection is correct, he predicted that certain places (no matter what they were told) would go for a "soft" lockdown which wouldn't work and by the time those places finally realized they needed a hard lockdown, the virus would be thoroughly spread through their community, their economy would be farked, and their population would be so sick of the ongoing half-hearted lockdown that they wouldn't comply.

We are seeing this exactly now in, for example, the UK and the US.


Canada too.  Specifically Alberta right now.
 
2020-11-26 11:52:09 PM  

princhester: Victoria's premier (equivalent of US governor) has been absolutely smashed in the right wing press for his efforts though.


Weirdly the Liberal (conservative, same as the Federal) South Australian premier is a hero.

I keep having to bring my dad up on his different opinions of the SA premier and the Victoria one. Although he is not internet savvy he gets all of his news from Murdoch papers and (thankfully) the ABC (which gives me a window of opportunity to nudge him in the right direction.)
 
2020-11-26 11:52:30 PM  

princhester: Wanderlusting: China also had high efficacy with welding people in their homes. In fact, they had so much success in doing so that their economy is back to where it was pre-Covid and people are now "rage traveling" the country to make up for lost time.

Queensland and Victoria both had almost total success stomping on this thing without measures quite that extreme.  Victoria was a little unlucky in that they almost had the thing under control and then had a super spreader incident which put them back a couple of months.

I read an article by a somewhat cynical and tired epidemiologist right at the outbreak of this thing about what was going to happen.  What I found particularly interesting was that he was able to predict not only what would work and what would not, he was also able to predict (completely correctly, as it turns out) that a certain relatively high percentage of places would totally fark it up, even while being told precisely how and why they were farking it up.  And there was nothing he or any other epidemiologist could do about it.

I can't now find the article but if my recollection is correct, he predicted that certain places (no matter what they were told) would go for a "soft" lockdown which wouldn't work and by the time those places finally realized they needed a hard lockdown, the virus would be thoroughly spread through their community, their economy would be farked, and their population would be so sick of the ongoing half-hearted lockdown that they wouldn't comply.

We are seeing this exactly now in, for example, the UK and the US.


Last time I checked, the Australian economy was still cratered and then got darker by some pizza store employee that lied.

Freedom is antithetical to viral control. The sooner people realize there is more community spread at the grocery store where everyone manhandles produce and pulls down their masks to sniff the peache than at churches, the sooner we can admit that shutting everything down and welding people in their homes for a month or two is the only solution.

Democrats want half-assed solutions that basically condemn anyone working public transportation or grocery or retail to die while simultaneously saying that we can control it wearing masks when the average human can't figure out how to avoid impaling themselves with a popsicle stick.
 
2020-11-26 11:56:01 PM  

mjjt: Main thing is to get people to wear their masks. They'll do it if you just ask nicely

https://imgur.com/gallery/SocUjti


Took me way too long to figure out that the guy in the yellow cap - the one getting his face slapped - was in all the scenes.
 
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