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2020-11-26 11:26:27 AM  
FTA:
In a statement to NBC Los Angeles, a Caltrans spokesperson said the homes were "unsafe and uninhabitable."

So clearly the only solution is to have several officers in swat gear pin and cuff a terrified little homeless kid.

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2020-11-26 11:29:28 AM  
Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.
 
2020-11-26 3:03:25 PM  
Other clips showed officers in riot gear apparently using battering rams to gain entry into some houses

Ah, sounds like they definitely weren't white else they'd have been sent dildoes and allowed to stay for a month without repercussions.
 
2020-11-26 4:10:55 PM  

koder: Other clips showed officers in riot gear apparently using battering rams to gain entry into some houses

Ah, sounds like they definitely weren't white else they'd have been sent dildoes and allowed to stay for a month without repercussions.


Perhaps they should have had the foresight to get lots of guns.
 
2020-11-26 4:12:16 PM  

King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.


IIR from a thyread earlier in the year, there are 10X more vacant, bank and state owned homes like these than there are homeless people (probably more). That's late-stage capitalism for you.
 
2020-11-26 4:13:12 PM  

King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.


Everywhere.

And I'm not sure I want to live in a place that doesn't recognized property rights.

We need to house the homeless somehow. Legalized squatting is probably not the solution.
 
2020-11-26 4:14:03 PM  

Smoking GNU: King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.

IIR from a thyread earlier in the year, there are 10X more vacant, bank and state owned homes like these than there are homeless people (probably more). That's late-stage capitalism for you.


In namibia is it legal to steal a home that isn't lived in?
 
2020-11-26 4:14:50 PM  
Ah, the comments.  Apparently the homeless should just buy themselves more money, but they are in fact too lazy to bother.
 
2020-11-26 4:15:11 PM  

Smackledorfer: Smoking GNU: King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.

IIR from a thyread earlier in the year, there are 10X more vacant, bank and state owned homes like these than there are homeless people (probably more). That's late-stage capitalism for you.

In namibia is it legal to steal a home that isn't lived in?


Also, do people saying this tripe believe squatters will do anything other than destroy the property?
 
2020-11-26 4:17:34 PM  
When those cops are on their deathbed, I pray someone shows a video of what they've done on repeat.
 
2020-11-26 4:19:20 PM  
The cruelty is the point
 
2020-11-26 4:19:42 PM  
And then theres still people who believe that cops would side with the people if Trump decided to stay in the white house and told Biden to get farked.

LOL
 
2020-11-26 4:19:45 PM  
Squatters Rights do not infringe on Property Rights. Do not own more property than you can manage, it's really that simple.
 
2020-11-26 4:20:35 PM  

Smackledorfer: Smackledorfer: Smoking GNU: King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.

IIR from a thyread earlier in the year, there are 10X more vacant, bank and state owned homes like these than there are homeless people (probably more). That's late-stage capitalism for you.

In namibia is it legal to steal a home that isn't lived in?

Also, do people saying this tripe believe squatters will do anything other than destroy the property?


There are better ways of dealing with it than this.
 
2020-11-26 4:22:26 PM  
Damn
 
2020-11-26 4:22:43 PM  
So do the cops do this on Thanksgiving because they are cruel? Or do they do it to get that  sweet holiday extra- pay because they are greedy? Or both?
 
2020-11-26 4:22:52 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: The cruelty is the point


Odd, I have you farkied as "defends janitors earning sub-living wages"

I don't have a thread number so if that is a bad farkie let me know and I'll change it. I don't see how someone can simultaneously want janitors and other low level staff to be wage slaves while complaining that those without jobs don't get to steal homes.

So, again, maybe my farkie is wrong and needs adjusting.
 
2020-11-26 4:24:49 PM  

blondambition: Smackledorfer: Smackledorfer: Smoking GNU: King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.

IIR from a thyread earlier in the year, there are 10X more vacant, bank and state owned homes like these than there are homeless people (probably more). That's late-stage capitalism for you.

In namibia is it legal to steal a home that isn't lived in?

Also, do people saying this tripe believe squatters will do anything other than destroy the property?

There are better ways of dealing with it than this.


Sure. That's not the argument gnu was making though.
 
2020-11-26 4:25:43 PM  

Smackledorfer: pastramithemosterotic: The cruelty is the point

Odd, I have you farkied as "defends janitors earning sub-living wages"

I don't have a thread number so if that is a bad farkie let me know and I'll change it. I don't see how someone can simultaneously want janitors and other low level staff to be wage slaves while complaining that those without jobs don't get to steal homes.

So, again, maybe my farkie is wrong and needs adjusting.


Farkied!

Lol.
 
2020-11-26 4:25:49 PM  

Smackledorfer: pastramithemosterotic: The cruelty is the point

Odd, I have you farkied as "defends janitors earning sub-living wages"

I don't have a thread number so if that is a bad farkie let me know and I'll change it. I don't see how someone can simultaneously want janitors and other low level staff to be wage slaves while complaining that those without jobs don't get to steal homes.

So, again, maybe my farkie is wrong and needs adjusting.


I troll and act like a dick for no reason sometimes, so that's probably why
 
2020-11-26 4:26:58 PM  

jso2897: koder: Other clips showed officers in riot gear apparently using battering rams to gain entry into some houses

Ah, sounds like they definitely weren't white else they'd have been sent dildoes and allowed to stay for a month without repercussions.


Perhaps they should have had the foresight to get lots of guns be born white.

FTFA (fixed that for Amerika)

1. Be caucasians
2. Be white
3. Don't be non-white
 
2020-11-26 4:27:40 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: So do the cops do this on Thanksgiving because they are cruel? Or do they do it to get that  sweet holiday extra- pay because they are greedy? Or both?


Are you arguing holiday pay is wrong, or that public services should shut down on holidays?

I'm not a cop. I'm getting holiday pay right now while not working. Some of my coworkers are working and getting extra pay. If we all requested today off, they would force some of us to work based on seniority. I imagine it is essentially the same for police.

I don't see how greed factors into working a holiday at a job where some are mandated to work holidays.
 
2020-11-26 4:27:40 PM  
But who will think of the lawsuits? Are the lawsuits okay?

Uninhabitable just meant we don't want to deal with any liability so we'll instead make all their lives infinitely worse ... because of the potential lawsuits. They are just monsters for doing this.
 
2020-11-26 4:27:47 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: Smackledorfer: pastramithemosterotic: The cruelty is the point

Odd, I have you farkied as "defends janitors earning sub-living wages"

I don't have a thread number so if that is a bad farkie let me know and I'll change it. I don't see how someone can simultaneously want janitors and other low level staff to be wage slaves while complaining that those without jobs don't get to steal homes.

So, again, maybe my farkie is wrong and needs adjusting.

I troll and act like a dick for no reason sometimes, so that's probably why


I've gotten better as of late though. Giving this whole "be a decent human being" business a try
 
2020-11-26 4:27:56 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: Smackledorfer: pastramithemosterotic: The cruelty is the point

Odd, I have you farkied as "defends janitors earning sub-living wages"

I don't have a thread number so if that is a bad farkie let me know and I'll change it. I don't see how someone can simultaneously want janitors and other low level staff to be wage slaves while complaining that those without jobs don't get to steal homes.

So, again, maybe my farkie is wrong and needs adjusting.

I troll and act like a dick for no reason sometimes, so that's probably why


Updated.
 
2020-11-26 4:35:22 PM  
Newsome could regain some support if he sided with the families. Might make people forgive him for his French Laundry outing
 
2020-11-26 4:37:19 PM  
Undesirables seeking shelter in an unoccupied dwelling, EXTERMINATE!!!!!
 
2020-11-26 4:42:17 PM  
What about all that empty office space?
A lot of those buildings already have laundry, restaurants, bodegas on site.

All the money they save on the dumass  holiday parades should be used for this!

Businesses could sell the thing before it becomes stand alone medical facilities after Thanksgiving.
 
2020-11-26 4:44:57 PM  

Smackledorfer: ParallelUniverseParking: So do the cops do this on Thanksgiving because they are cruel? Or do they do it to get that  sweet holiday extra- pay because they are greedy? Or both?

Are you arguing holiday pay is wrong, or that public services should shut down on holidays?

I'm not a cop. I'm getting holiday pay right now while not working. Some of my coworkers are working and getting extra pay. If we all requested today off, they would force some of us to work based on seniority. I imagine it is essentially the same for police.

I don't see how greed factors into working a holiday at a job where some are mandated to work holidays.


Some jobs have to be done during the holidays. An eviction does not. An eviction takes extra manpower. This can't be pulled of "on the side" by cops who had to work anyway.  The squatters were there before Thanksgiving. They would have been there after Thanksgiving. This seems deliberate.
 
2020-11-26 4:57:08 PM  
All cops are bastards.
 
2020-11-26 5:02:21 PM  
Thanks Gavin.
 
2020-11-26 5:07:14 PM  
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2020-11-26 5:09:16 PM  

Smackledorfer: ParallelUniverseParking: So do the cops do this on Thanksgiving because they are cruel? Or do they do it to get that  sweet holiday extra- pay because they are greedy? Or both?

Are you arguing holiday pay is wrong, or that public services should shut down on holidays?

I'm not a cop. I'm getting holiday pay right now while not working. Some of my coworkers are working and getting extra pay. If we all requested today off, they would force some of us to work based on seniority. I imagine it is essentially the same for police.

I don't see how greed factors into working a holiday at a job where some are mandated to work holidays.


Some jobs pay for asking you to work on the holidays, with different methods of selection (volunteering, first come, forced rotation, seniority).
Some jobs assume rotation basis, rain or shine, including weekends, with the only exception being during your yearly leave.

Just curious, why are you being paid holiday pay while not working? And your coworkers are getting paid holiday pay + what? Additional holiday pay?

I get that some organizations give end of year bonuses or seasonal bonuses, just not sure I understand what your situation is.

/if I may ask.
 
2020-11-26 5:13:15 PM  
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Go back and watch Roger & Me ... The police were out evicting people on Christmas Eve (i think)
 
2020-11-26 5:16:33 PM  
A possible solution to the homeless problem is to let them live in all the shut down restaurants. LA has a least 30,000 closed because of the virus. Electricity and water are hooked up and plenty of food in the fridge. Personally, I'd head up to northern California to the above mention French Laundry place...free pricey food and get laundry done too. And the Gov has been know to show up and may offer menu suggestions.
 
2020-11-26 5:19:40 PM  
Frontline Healthcare workers fighting a pandemic forced to wear trash bags because they can't afford PPE.

Police in full riot gear evicting children from homes.

This is America.
 
2020-11-26 5:24:57 PM  

blondambition: Smackledorfer: Smackledorfer: Smoking GNU: King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.

IIR from a thyread earlier in the year, there are 10X more vacant, bank and state owned homes like these than there are homeless people (probably more). That's late-stage capitalism for you.

In namibia is it legal to steal a home that isn't lived in?

Also, do people saying this tripe believe squatters will do anything other than destroy the property?

There are better ways of dealing with it than this.


Tear gas will do it
 
2020-11-26 5:34:03 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: Smackledorfer: ParallelUniverseParking: So do the cops do this on Thanksgiving because they are cruel? Or do they do it to get that  sweet holiday extra- pay because they are greedy? Or both?

Are you arguing holiday pay is wrong, or that public services should shut down on holidays?

I'm not a cop. I'm getting holiday pay right now while not working. Some of my coworkers are working and getting extra pay. If we all requested today off, they would force some of us to work based on seniority. I imagine it is essentially the same for police.

I don't see how greed factors into working a holiday at a job where some are mandated to work holidays.

Some jobs have to be done during the holidays. An eviction does not. An eviction takes extra manpower. This can't be pulled of "on the side" by cops who had to work anyway.  The squatters were there before Thanksgiving. They would have been there after Thanksgiving. This seems deliberate.


Ok. You claimed cops working holidays were greedy.

If you meant some cop stuff should be delayed due to holidays, that's entirely different.

Cops show up to work on holidays for obvious reasons. Cops do cop stuff because they are cops. I'm sure they'd rather their holiday workdays involve not working. :)

If you have no issues with holiday pay or essential workers, fair enough.
 
2020-11-26 5:38:56 PM  

1funguy: What about all that empty office space?
A lot of those buildings already have laundry, restaurants, bodegas on site.

All the money they save on the dumass  holiday parades should be used for this!

Businesses could sell the thing before it becomes stand alone medical facilities after Thanksgiving.


The problems with giving stuff to the homeless is they destroy it. No, not all homeless people are mentally ill, but enough are that meaningfully addressing the problem requires a hell of a lot more than tossing buildings at them.

Whatever your thoughts on the evils of money or capitalism, this is true. Whatever your views on greed or whatever, there is enough land for people to have multiple properties and enough wood and metal to erect an extra house.

This problem is huge, and apparently people in this thread have about zero understanding of it. People owning two buildings isn't the problem. Letting squatters steal stuff isn't the solution.
 
2020-11-26 5:40:04 PM  
Don't like this? Don't vote for Gavin Newsom.

Don't live in California, why should he care? Your popular vote doesn't mean squat to the Electoral College when he runs for President.
 
2020-11-26 5:51:38 PM  
You know, they could have just... Not done this. Lined up housing for these families, and knocked on the door and given them the keys to a better place, or just put it off until such a place was available. But they had to make an example.

Literally we are protecting property rights over people's wellbeing. The homes are not owned by "someone" they are owned by the state... They are unused public (literally publicly owned) property while people are living in tents and on the street.

The very basic necessities are food and shelter. A system built on using denial of shelter to enforce the social codes and hierarchy is pretty trash, and that's what we have. We have the resources to provide shelter to everyone, but we don't.
 
2020-11-26 5:56:18 PM  

Smackledorfer: ParallelUniverseParking: Smackledorfer: ParallelUniverseParking: So do the cops do this on Thanksgiving because they are cruel? Or do they do it to get that  sweet holiday extra- pay because they are greedy? Or both?

Are you arguing holiday pay is wrong, or that public services should shut down on holidays?

I'm not a cop. I'm getting holiday pay right now while not working. Some of my coworkers are working and getting extra pay. If we all requested today off, they would force some of us to work based on seniority. I imagine it is essentially the same for police.

I don't see how greed factors into working a holiday at a job where some are mandated to work holidays.

Some jobs have to be done during the holidays. An eviction does not. An eviction takes extra manpower. This can't be pulled of "on the side" by cops who had to work anyway.  The squatters were there before Thanksgiving. They would have been there after Thanksgiving. This seems deliberate.

Ok. You claimed cops working holidays were greedy.

If you meant some cop stuff should be delayed due to holidays, that's entirely different.

Cops show up to work on holidays for obvious reasons. Cops do cop stuff because they are cops. I'm sure they'd rather their holiday workdays involve not working. :)

If you have no issues with holiday pay or essential workers, fair enough.


I myself have been known to work on holidays (no way around it) so I really have no problems with it in general...if the work itselfs demands it e.g. manning a firestation or hospital staff.
 
2020-11-26 6:07:08 PM  
Police are stormtroopers in the class war against the poor.

#ACAB
 
2020-11-26 6:10:30 PM  
Is occupying a publically owned wildlife reserve still bad?
 
2020-11-26 6:52:53 PM  
Are there no workhouses?!

I don't think I could look at myself in the mirror if I was a cop and had to do this. It takes a special kind of ahole to do this at the holidays.
 
2020-11-26 7:05:05 PM  

King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.


At first glance, sure... This seems crazy.

Until you give a bunch of homeless people access to otherwise unoccupied homes and see what happens to the houses and neighborhood.
 
2020-11-26 7:14:42 PM  
The problem is enormous, There are approximently 60,000 homeless in Los Angeles county, 30,000 In Los Angeles city and around 40,000 throughout the rest of California.
 
2020-11-26 7:23:52 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: King Something: Homeless people being told they're not allowed to live in otherwise unoccupied homes.

'Murica.

At first glance, sure... This seems crazy.

Until you give a bunch of homeless people access to otherwise unoccupied homes and see what happens to the houses and neighborhood.


Homeless people threads are so weird.

A bunch of people who don't invite the homeless to live in their house demand a bunch of other people do so. Then they shiat on every government worker who has to actually deal with the homeless. Then next week they'll tell you how much they love their favorite actor, who sits on millions of dollars in a 5,000 square foot mansion. Or they'll tell you about their vacation plans. Or they'll have a Fark profile with a map of all the places they spent thousands traveling to and exploring. They'll show you their motorcycle, their motorhome, their horses. They'll tell you how they have skied down all the best mountains. They'll talk about the craft beers they buy. Maybe you'll see them post in a car thread about their sports car.

At the end of the day most of us could get by with less and give it to the homeless. We don't. We don't believe it would actually help. I know I don't. Or we save it so we can reture. I know that's where my extra money goes. Maybe that makes me a shiatbag. That's on me.

But I also don't go into these threads and cry crocodile tears while announcing how ethical and caring I am, and how everyone else is evil for not giving a house to a bum.  There are some truly selfless folks out there. Make sure you are one of them before talking that talk, imo.
 
2020-11-26 7:29:23 PM  
 
2020-11-26 7:33:05 PM  

Smackledorfer: 1funguy: What about all that empty office space?
A lot of those buildings already have laundry, restaurants, bodegas on site.

All the money they save on the dumass  holiday parades should be used for this!

Businesses could sell the thing before it becomes stand alone medical facilities after Thanksgiving.

The problems with giving stuff to the homeless is they destroy it. No, not all homeless people are mentally ill, but enough are that meaningfully addressing the problem requires a hell of a lot more than tossing buildings at them.

Whatever your thoughts on the evils of money or capitalism, this is true. Whatever your views on greed or whatever, there is enough land for people to have multiple properties and enough wood and metal to erect an extra house.

This problem is huge, and apparently people in this thread have about zero understanding of it. People owning two buildings isn't the problem. Letting squatters steal stuff isn't the solution.


I wholeheartedly agree.
I have proposed a short term solution to a long term problem that would certainly need quite a bit of fine tuning.

However, the property owner with an unserviceable debt due to the coronavirus may wish to unload a property.
The homeless at a "particular" level of reason may be encouraged by an option previously unavailable.

A problem solver considers options, not consequences.
Consequences are best discussed in an effort to minimize damage, not to limit further consideration.

Or we could just go back to having parades, blighted properties, and homelessness at epic proportions.
 
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