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2020-11-26 12:49:17 PM  
28 votes:

Cyberluddite: So that means in December sunrise up there in that part of Canuckistan will be at, what, 10:00 a.m.?


In the winter, the Ontario sun is available for all your sun-related needs on a daily basis from 10am to 10:03am (an hour and a half hour later in Newfoundland).
 
2020-11-26 3:46:56 PM  
11 votes:
Permanent standard time makes sense. Permanent daylight savings time will confuse fifth graders who read about sundials. When they learn about "the Ontario Exception," they will know that they live in a province run by demons, and drown their sorrows in a bag of milk and a bag of ketchup chips. Lord only knows if a curling broom will be involved.
 
2020-11-26 3:54:11 PM  
9 votes:
So now that Ontario is eliminating one hour of daylight, how will that effect crop production, and oxygen production when plants get less sunlight? This has the potential of causing an ecological and economic disaster to the province and the country!

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2020-11-26 5:45:24 PM  
6 votes:

kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?


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2020-11-26 8:05:27 PM  
5 votes:

Literally Addicted: swaniefrmreddeer: If things stand, Alberta will be 2 hours ahead of BC, 4 hour drive, and only one hour behind Ontario, 20 hour drive. Hopefully the idiot Kenny will make out next time change our last.

In WHAT fantasy is Alberta a 20 hour drive to...oh...Thunder Bay...nevermind.  I was thinking Toronto to TB is at least 20 right there; but as much as I hate to admit it, Toronto is not the only part of Ontario.  I keep forgetting.



Yes, it's hard to forget TO isn't the center of the universe.

The headline in the Toronto Star the the day after the Hiroshima bombing in 1945 was:

"No one from Toronto injured in blast west of Mississauga"
 
2020-11-26 5:53:13 PM  
5 votes:
When the Sun shines upon Earth, 2 - major Time points are created on opposite sides of Earth - known as Midday and Midnight. Where the 2 major Time forces join, synergy creates 2 new minor Time points we recognize as Sunup and Sundown. The 4-equidistant time points can be considered as Time Square imprinted upon the circle of Earth. In a single rotation of the Earth sphere, each Time corner point rotates through the other 3-corner Time points, thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24-hour Days within a single rotation of Earth - equated to a Higher Order of Life Time Cube.
 
2020-11-26 3:34:31 PM  
5 votes:

swaniefrmreddeer: If things stand, Alberta will be 2 hours ahead of BC, 4 hour drive, and only one hour behind Ontario, 20 hour drive. Hopefully the idiot Kenny will make out next time change our last.


In WHAT fantasy is Alberta a 20 hour drive to...oh...Thunder Bay...nevermind.  I was thinking Toronto to TB is at least 20 right there; but as much as I hate to admit it, Toronto is not the only part of Ontario.  I keep forgetting.
 
2020-11-26 3:42:34 PM  
4 votes:

Alien Robot: Moniker o' Shame: kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.

ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.

It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.

Do you know why you don't get invited to parties?


Pedant parties are awesome, but you wouldn't know.
 
2020-11-26 3:24:40 PM  
4 votes:
A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.
 
2020-11-26 4:30:29 PM  
3 votes:

apoptotic: Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.

BC passed legislation over a year ago (but hey, congrats to Ontario for 'leading the way'), but delayed implementing it until the US west coast followed suit. Washington and Oregon have passed legislation, and California voters passed Prop 7 to do the same, but all three states require Congressional approval, so that's what's currently holding it up.


Saskatchewan looks on amused that BC and Ontario think they're leading shiat in this regard.
 
2020-11-26 4:02:58 PM  
3 votes:

mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.


Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.
 
2020-11-26 3:52:42 PM  
3 votes:
people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.
 
2020-11-26 3:52:42 PM  
3 votes:
about time
 
2020-11-26 3:36:41 PM  
3 votes:

Mock26: Oh boo f*cking hoo, the sun sets early during winter. Get over it.


I'd rather have the hour of daylight in the evening, when it's a motivator to go outside and get some exercise after work, than in the morning when it's colder and work is imminent. Permanent DST is far preferable to me than permanent ST.
 
2020-11-26 11:39:31 AM  
3 votes:
I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.
 
2020-11-26 6:14:02 PM  
2 votes:

Representative of the unwashed masses: I lived in Dawson Creek for a couple of years myself.


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2020-11-26 5:34:47 PM  
2 votes:

Representative of the unwashed masses: apoptotic: Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.

BC passed legislation over a year ago (but hey, congrats to Ontario for 'leading the way'), but delayed implementing it until the US west coast followed suit. Washington and Oregon have passed legislation, and California voters passed Prop 7 to do the same, but all three states require Congressional approval, so that's what's currently holding it up.

Saskatchewan looks on amused that BC and Ontario think they're leading shiat in this regard.


Touché.

I live near one town in BC that never changes its clocks either. Since distances are measured in travel time around here, the joke is that how far apart our two towns are depends on which direction you're going.
 
2020-11-26 5:11:15 PM  
2 votes:

mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).


Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.
 
2020-11-26 4:19:40 PM  
2 votes:

mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.


The clock and time is a fictional concept created by man. People can set the clock in their jurisdiction to whatever they want. MA is thinking of moving one time zone over as well!
 
2020-11-26 4:09:47 PM  
2 votes:

pearls before swine: dywed88: Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.

It's all an approximation either way and many places already aren't in the time zone they should theoretically be in. In practice we have already decided that for the majority of the year we prefer being one time zone off so might as well go all the way.

So instead of adjusting our arbitrarily chosen schedules to where we prefer them, we just pretend the objective measure of time, the position of the sun, is something it plainly isn't.

Humans are dumb.


Return to local Solar time! Everyone will have their own Solar time! Sundials won't need correction any more!
 
2020-11-26 4:04:52 PM  
2 votes:

RonRon893: ...and the change is to ALWAYS be on "Daylight Saving Time", not to move to standard time.


You realize time is a fictional concept. So they could set the time at whatever stage they want.
 
2020-11-26 3:56:07 PM  
2 votes:
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2020-11-26 3:50:23 PM  
2 votes:

Moniker o' Shame: kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.

ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.

It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.


Who care's that its not Daylight Saving's Time?
 
2020-11-26 3:40:24 PM  
2 votes:
 
2020-11-26 3:39:54 PM  
2 votes:
This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.
 
2020-11-26 3:38:47 PM  
2 votes:

Moniker o' Shame: kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.

ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.

It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.


Do you know why you don't get invited to parties?
 
2020-11-27 12:51:35 AM  
1 vote:

silverjets: Would you care it if was dark until 9am?  Because that's what is going to happen to most places if we move to DST permanently.  Sunrise right now is at about 7:45am.  Move to DST and it's going to be 8:45am.   Who the fark wants sunrise that late in the day?


I guess this is the crux of DST vs. ST.  Active evening people vs. active morning people.

If I get extended daylight in the evenings, I wouldn't care if the sun didn't come up until 10am.  I'm never doing anything recreational in the early morning, all I'm doing is preparing for work.  But obviously all those crack of dawn cyclists / joggers / photographers / fishermen etc. might feel otherwise.
 
2020-11-27 12:46:39 AM  
1 vote:

silverjets: feanorn: jsmilky: people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.

Many more prefer dark to hold off until at least supper time. Who cares if it's dark at 8? It would be nice to have some light on the drive home.

Would you care it if was dark until 9am?  Because that's what is going to happen to most places if we move to DST permanently.  Sunrise right now is at about 7:45am.  Move to DST and it's going to be 8:45am.   Who the fark wants sunrise that late in the day?


I wouldn't mind. Much better fark at 8:30 am than 4:30 pm.
 
2020-11-26 10:41:23 PM  
1 vote:

billstewart: If you'd rather have more time after work than in the morning, drag your ass out of bed, start work early, and finish early.


Unfortunately, many of us are constrained by fixed working hours..
 
2020-11-26 10:19:46 PM  
1 vote:

MrKevvy: Mock26: Oh boo f*cking hoo, the sun sets early during winter. Get over it.

I'd rather have the hour of daylight in the evening, when it's a motivator to go outside and get some exercise after work, than in the morning when it's colder and work is imminent. Permanent DST is far preferable to me than permanent ST.


If you'd rather have more time after work than in the morning, drag your ass out of bed, start work early, and finish early. You morning people can do that without having to change your clock and making the rest of us pretend you're not telling us we have to drag our lazy asses out of bed early too.

Noon is when the sun's highest in the sky. It's supposed to be at 12:00, not 1:00, and the time zones are set so that on average it's pretty close to that in most places.
 
2020-11-26 8:17:26 PM  
1 vote:

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?

Well gee.

Since we're talking about the imaginary LINE that goes from the sun to Earth relative to the perpendicular (or orthogonal) imaginary LINE which is tangent to the ground, I'm calling this one a victory.  Me: 1.  You guys: LOSERS.  Luh-hoo. Suh-HERs.


the ground would have a tangent plane, not a tangent line .

And what is a plane when it is viewed edge-on?

Its still a plane...

You didn't pass geometry, did you?

You certainly never took celestial navigation.


Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.
 
2020-11-26 5:43:30 PM  
1 vote:

kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?


Hey, watch your language
 
2020-11-26 5:23:59 PM  
1 vote:

mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.


Western Ontario is about an hour off from Ottawa by that measure.

You want to go back to the days where every town has its own time standard?
 
2020-11-26 5:04:53 PM  
1 vote:
These idiots obviously don't realize the impact this will cause on their heating bill. Not to mention global warming.
 
2020-11-26 4:52:48 PM  
1 vote:

jsmilky: people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.


Many more prefer dark to hold off until at least supper time. Who cares if it's dark at 8? It would be nice to have some light on the drive home.
 
2020-11-26 4:35:29 PM  
1 vote:
Oh my god, who the hell cares? Change the clocks, don't change the clocks. Whatever the hell shuts people up faster. Do it, and do it now. I'd rather have a tipping thread.
 
2020-11-26 4:23:53 PM  
1 vote:

Ruthven13: What is the huge friggin' deal about having to change the clocks twice a year? Never bothered me in the past and will probably will never bother me in the future. But this is a change to permanent Daylight? time. If they want to do away with clock changing why not just make it Standard time as to not confuse the rest of the world that cares...


Because people want more light when they are doing things rather than it being dark as soon as they finish work!
 
2020-11-26 4:07:43 PM  
1 vote:

Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.


Standard time is an anomaly which defies actual nature. Daylight Savings Time reflects what nature intends, rather than what so busybody says it should be!
 
2020-11-26 4:01:27 PM  
1 vote:

RogermcAllen: Remove DST.  However, on the day you phase it out split the difference and shift all time by a half an hour (between standard time and DST).

Boom, problem solved.


Ewe. Half hour differences are annoying.
 
2020-11-26 3:58:47 PM  
1 vote:
Remove DST.  However, on the day you phase it out split the difference and shift all time by a half an hour (between standard time and DST).

Boom, problem solved.
 
2020-11-26 3:58:13 PM  
1 vote:

NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.


Because the clock changing twice a year is so much worse than keeping track of a bunch of individually adjusted schedules (and potential conflicts when they adjust on different dates).
 
2020-11-26 3:57:27 PM  
1 vote:

bingethinker: The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.


Fiddler On The Roof sunrise sunset
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2020-11-26 3:57:03 PM  
1 vote:

jaytkay: bingethinker: The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.

Depends where you are east & west and north & south. Ontario is a huge province. It's about 1,000 miles wide and 500 miles north to south.


Good point. The same numbers for Thunder Bay are 9:46 a.m. and 6:05 p.m. EDT.
 
2020-11-26 3:54:59 PM  
1 vote:

MrKevvy: Mock26: Oh boo f*cking hoo, the sun sets early during winter. Get over it.

I'd rather have the hour of daylight in the evening, when it's a motivator to go outside and get some exercise after work, than in the morning when it's colder and work is imminent. Permanent DST is far preferable to me than permanent ST.


And how long before people complain about going to work/school in the dark and push schedules forward?  Then we'll have to go to double DST during the summer so we don't waste daylight then.  Wash, rinse, repeat for a few centuries and eventually it'll be dark at noon and sunny at midnight.
 
2020-11-26 3:52:49 PM  
1 vote:

NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.


Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.
 
2020-11-26 3:47:25 PM  
1 vote:
so sunrise will be at like 4:30 in June? That sounds bright.
 
2020-11-26 3:44:14 PM  
1 vote:
The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.
 
2020-11-26 3:35:41 PM  
1 vote:
...and the change is to ALWAYS be on "Daylight Saving Time", not to move to standard time.
 
2020-11-26 3:29:50 PM  
1 vote:
Who cares about Quebec?  They enforce their own bigoted language laws for fark's sake.

Leave 'em behind.
 
2020-11-26 3:28:52 PM  
1 vote:

kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.


ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.


It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.
 
2020-11-26 12:43:24 PM  
1 vote:
So that means in December sunrise up there in that part of Canuckistan will be at, what, 10:00 a.m.?
 
2020-11-26 11:47:08 AM  
1 vote:
If things stand, Alberta will be 2 hours ahead of BC, 4 hour drive, and only one hour behind Ontario, 20 hour drive. Hopefully the idiot Kenny will make out next time change our last.
 
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