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2020-11-26 11:39:31 AM  
I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.
 
2020-11-26 11:47:08 AM  
If things stand, Alberta will be 2 hours ahead of BC, 4 hour drive, and only one hour behind Ontario, 20 hour drive. Hopefully the idiot Kenny will make out next time change our last.
 
2020-11-26 12:43:24 PM  
So that means in December sunrise up there in that part of Canuckistan will be at, what, 10:00 a.m.?
 
2020-11-26 12:49:17 PM  

Cyberluddite: So that means in December sunrise up there in that part of Canuckistan will be at, what, 10:00 a.m.?


In the winter, the Ontario sun is available for all your sun-related needs on a daily basis from 10am to 10:03am (an hour and a half hour later in Newfoundland).
 
2020-11-26 3:08:25 PM  
The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.
 
2020-11-26 3:15:24 PM  
yes please
 
2020-11-26 3:24:40 PM  
A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.
 
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2020-11-26 3:25:49 PM  
Good, I hope we all do it. the clock changes suck nuts.
 
2020-11-26 3:26:57 PM  
Oh boo f*cking hoo, the sun sets early during winter. Get over it.
 
2020-11-26 3:28:52 PM  

kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.


ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.


It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.
 
2020-11-26 3:29:50 PM  
Who cares about Quebec?  They enforce their own bigoted language laws for fark's sake.

Leave 'em behind.
 
2020-11-26 3:34:31 PM  

swaniefrmreddeer: If things stand, Alberta will be 2 hours ahead of BC, 4 hour drive, and only one hour behind Ontario, 20 hour drive. Hopefully the idiot Kenny will make out next time change our last.


In WHAT fantasy is Alberta a 20 hour drive to...oh...Thunder Bay...nevermind.  I was thinking Toronto to TB is at least 20 right there; but as much as I hate to admit it, Toronto is not the only part of Ontario.  I keep forgetting.
 
2020-11-26 3:35:41 PM  
...and the change is to ALWAYS be on "Daylight Saving Time", not to move to standard time.
 
2020-11-26 3:36:41 PM  

Mock26: Oh boo f*cking hoo, the sun sets early during winter. Get over it.


I'd rather have the hour of daylight in the evening, when it's a motivator to go outside and get some exercise after work, than in the morning when it's colder and work is imminent. Permanent DST is far preferable to me than permanent ST.
 
2020-11-26 3:38:47 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.

ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.

It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.


Do you know why you don't get invited to parties?
 
2020-11-26 3:39:54 PM  
This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.
 
2020-11-26 3:40:24 PM  
 
2020-11-26 3:42:34 PM  

Alien Robot: Moniker o' Shame: kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.

ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.

It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.

Do you know why you don't get invited to parties?


Pedant parties are awesome, but you wouldn't know.
 
2020-11-26 3:43:17 PM  

kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.


Or get get rid of it. Either way, let's pick one or the other.
 
2020-11-26 3:44:14 PM  
The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.
 
2020-11-26 3:45:00 PM  

NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.


That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.
 
2020-11-26 3:46:41 PM  

bingethinker: The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.


Depends where you are east & west and north & south. Ontario is a huge province. It's about 1,000 miles wide and 500 miles north to south.
 
2020-11-26 3:46:43 PM  

RonRon893: ...and the change is to ALWAYS be on "Daylight Saving Time", not to move to standard time.


That would be the joke that Subby made
 
2020-11-26 3:46:56 PM  
Permanent standard time makes sense. Permanent daylight savings time will confuse fifth graders who read about sundials. When they learn about "the Ontario Exception," they will know that they live in a province run by demons, and drown their sorrows in a bag of milk and a bag of ketchup chips. Lord only knows if a curling broom will be involved.
 
2020-11-26 3:47:25 PM  
so sunrise will be at like 4:30 in June? That sounds bright.
 
2020-11-26 3:48:42 PM  
academic studies that suggest these bi-annual clock changes can have serious negative impacts (increased depression rates, heart attacks, strokes and high numbers of fatal collisions among them


Cull the herd. If you can't handle changing a clock 1 hour, you are a drag on society.
 
2020-11-26 3:50:23 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.

ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.

It is Daylight Saving Time, not Savings Time.


Who care's that its not Daylight Saving's Time?
 
2020-11-26 3:52:13 PM  

Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.


It's all an approximation either way and many places already aren't in the time zone they should theoretically be in. In practice we have already decided that for the majority of the year we prefer being one time zone off so might as well go all the way.
 
2020-11-26 3:52:21 PM  
Whatever. Just stop fiddling with the clock twice a year and I'll deal.
 
2020-11-26 3:52:30 PM  
Are there still parts of indian where it can simultaneously be 3 different times?
 
2020-11-26 3:52:42 PM  
about time
 
2020-11-26 3:52:42 PM  
people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.
 
2020-11-26 3:52:49 PM  

NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.


Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.
 
2020-11-26 3:54:11 PM  
So now that Ontario is eliminating one hour of daylight, how will that effect crop production, and oxygen production when plants get less sunlight? This has the potential of causing an ecological and economic disaster to the province and the country!

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2020-11-26 3:54:59 PM  

MrKevvy: Mock26: Oh boo f*cking hoo, the sun sets early during winter. Get over it.

I'd rather have the hour of daylight in the evening, when it's a motivator to go outside and get some exercise after work, than in the morning when it's colder and work is imminent. Permanent DST is far preferable to me than permanent ST.


And how long before people complain about going to work/school in the dark and push schedules forward?  Then we'll have to go to double DST during the summer so we don't waste daylight then.  Wash, rinse, repeat for a few centuries and eventually it'll be dark at noon and sunny at midnight.
 
2020-11-26 3:55:19 PM  

mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.


Hahah, that literally never happens.
 
2020-11-26 3:56:07 PM  
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2020-11-26 3:57:03 PM  

jaytkay: bingethinker: The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.

Depends where you are east & west and north & south. Ontario is a huge province. It's about 1,000 miles wide and 500 miles north to south.


Good point. The same numbers for Thunder Bay are 9:46 a.m. and 6:05 p.m. EDT.
 
2020-11-26 3:57:27 PM  

bingethinker: The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.


Fiddler On The Roof sunrise sunset
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2020-11-26 3:57:49 PM  

Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.


BC passed legislation over a year ago (but hey, congrats to Ontario for 'leading the way'), but delayed implementing it until the US west coast followed suit. Washington and Oregon have passed legislation, and California voters passed Prop 7 to do the same, but all three states require Congressional approval, so that's what's currently holding it up.
 
2020-11-26 3:57:57 PM  

Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.


Looks like you've never been to Colombia.
 
2020-11-26 3:58:13 PM  

NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.


Because the clock changing twice a year is so much worse than keeping track of a bunch of individually adjusted schedules (and potential conflicts when they adjust on different dates).
 
2020-11-26 3:58:46 PM  

Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.


I agree completely.

The underlying issue was the fact that the time shifted by an hour twice a year.

Now Ontarians will have to remember who is on what where to determine whether it's too early or late to call when before it was done on a simple time zone basis.

Put me down as a nay.
 
2020-11-26 3:58:47 PM  
Remove DST.  However, on the day you phase it out split the difference and shift all time by a half an hour (between standard time and DST).

Boom, problem solved.
 
2020-11-26 4:00:47 PM  
FTA: No more hellish loop of scheduled mass disorientation twice a year.

If that is your Hell then you have a very soft life.

I am fine either changing or not, but the idea that it is more than "inconvenient" just makes you sound like a snowflake.
 
2020-11-26 4:01:27 PM  

RogermcAllen: Remove DST.  However, on the day you phase it out split the difference and shift all time by a half an hour (between standard time and DST).

Boom, problem solved.


Ewe. Half hour differences are annoying.
 
2020-11-26 4:02:58 PM  

mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.


Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.
 
2020-11-26 4:03:07 PM  
What is the huge friggin' deal about having to change the clocks twice a year? Never bothered me in the past and will probably will never bother me in the future. But this is a change to permanent Daylight? time. If they want to do away with clock changing why not just make it Standard time as to not confuse the rest of the world that cares...
 
2020-11-26 4:04:28 PM  
Just pick a time. Personally I'd like DST all the time so that it is lighter in the evening, even in the Summer when it might stay light until midnight; that's when I'm doing stuff outside! I could care less about the mornings, I'm asleep or getting ready, the light is wasted. They have these electric lights now.
 
2020-11-26 4:04:52 PM  

RonRon893: ...and the change is to ALWAYS be on "Daylight Saving Time", not to move to standard time.


You realize time is a fictional concept. So they could set the time at whatever stage they want.
 
2020-11-26 4:06:25 PM  

dywed88: Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.

It's all an approximation either way and many places already aren't in the time zone they should theoretically be in. In practice we have already decided that for the majority of the year we prefer being one time zone off so might as well go all the way.


So instead of adjusting our arbitrarily chosen schedules to where we prefer them, we just pretend the objective measure of time, the position of the sun, is something it plainly isn't.

Humans are dumb.
 
2020-11-26 4:06:44 PM  

Ruthven13: What is the huge friggin' deal about having to change the clocks twice a year? Never bothered me in the past and will probably will never bother me in the future. But this is a change to permanent Daylight? time. If they want to do away with clock changing why not just make it Standard time as to not confuse the rest of the world that cares...


I honestly didn't even realize the clocks changed until two weeks, but I also know a fair number of people that an hour disruption to their schedule (whether due to clocks changing or other things) is a big deal.

As to not messing with the rest of the world, going full DST makes more sense because we are on it 2/3 of the year already so it would be less disruptive.
 
2020-11-26 4:06:51 PM  
It's too bad we can't just get the world to split the difference, move our clocks half an hour back in the fall and leave them that way.
 
2020-11-26 4:07:43 PM  

Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.


Standard time is an anomaly which defies actual nature. Daylight Savings Time reflects what nature intends, rather than what so busybody says it should be!
 
2020-11-26 4:07:45 PM  

flucto: so sunrise will be at like 4:30 in June? That sounds bright.


Dawn starts at 430 and sunrise is already 515 am in my state. The horror.
 
2020-11-26 4:09:13 PM  

Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.


Why does Canada have to follow what the US does are you an independent country or a territory of the US?
 
2020-11-26 4:09:47 PM  

pearls before swine: dywed88: Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.

It's all an approximation either way and many places already aren't in the time zone they should theoretically be in. In practice we have already decided that for the majority of the year we prefer being one time zone off so might as well go all the way.

So instead of adjusting our arbitrarily chosen schedules to where we prefer them, we just pretend the objective measure of time, the position of the sun, is something it plainly isn't.

Humans are dumb.


Return to local Solar time! Everyone will have their own Solar time! Sundials won't need correction any more!
 
2020-11-26 4:11:37 PM  

pearls before swine: dywed88: Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.

It's all an approximation either way and many places already aren't in the time zone they should theoretically be in. In practice we have already decided that for the majority of the year we prefer being one time zone off so might as well go all the way.

So instead of adjusting our arbitrarily chosen schedules to where we prefer them, we just pretend the objective measure of time, the position of the sun, is something it plainly isn't.

Humans are dumb.


The point of standardized time is to have some consistency among schedules. Rather than every person and place having their own schedule.

And human society is a lot different than it was 200 years ago. Maybe centring our days around solar noon doesn't make sense.

I would say that either permanent DST or permanent Standard Time would be preferable to bouncing between them, but it seems most people prefer DST.
 
2020-11-26 4:15:40 PM  

punkwrestler: Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.

Why does Canada have to follow what the US does are you an independent country or a territory of the US?


Have to? No. But with the amount of business social events and other things that go on across the border it makes far more sense for BC, WA, CA, and OR to follow the same time. Much like Ontario making Quebec and NY enacting the same a requirement to change.

And the same reason that when the US extended DST in 2007 Canada followed suit
 
2020-11-26 4:17:19 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Are there still parts of indian where it can simultaneously be 3 different times?


How? Or did you mean Indiana?
 
2020-11-26 4:19:40 PM  

mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.


The clock and time is a fictional concept created by man. People can set the clock in their jurisdiction to whatever they want. MA is thinking of moving one time zone over as well!
 
2020-11-26 4:22:20 PM  

KarmicDisaster: pearls before swine: dywed88: Tillmaster: The whole point of Time Zones is to make the time of day match the position of the sun (more or less).
DST is a departure from the time zone (as the headline suggests, it's the time zone to the East.
Far better to get rid of DST, and follow nature.

It's all an approximation either way and many places already aren't in the time zone they should theoretically be in. In practice we have already decided that for the majority of the year we prefer being one time zone off so might as well go all the way.

So instead of adjusting our arbitrarily chosen schedules to where we prefer them, we just pretend the objective measure of time, the position of the sun, is something it plainly isn't.

Humans are dumb.

Return to local Solar time! Everyone will have their own Solar time! Sundials won't need correction any more!


We knew you grew up learning time on a sundial, but it's time to move on...
 
2020-11-26 4:23:53 PM  

Ruthven13: What is the huge friggin' deal about having to change the clocks twice a year? Never bothered me in the past and will probably will never bother me in the future. But this is a change to permanent Daylight? time. If they want to do away with clock changing why not just make it Standard time as to not confuse the rest of the world that cares...


Because people want more light when they are doing things rather than it being dark as soon as they finish work!
 
2020-11-26 4:30:29 PM  

apoptotic: Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.

BC passed legislation over a year ago (but hey, congrats to Ontario for 'leading the way'), but delayed implementing it until the US west coast followed suit. Washington and Oregon have passed legislation, and California voters passed Prop 7 to do the same, but all three states require Congressional approval, so that's what's currently holding it up.


Saskatchewan looks on amused that BC and Ontario think they're leading shiat in this regard.
 
2020-11-26 4:33:12 PM  

Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.


Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).
 
2020-11-26 4:35:29 PM  
Oh my god, who the hell cares? Change the clocks, don't change the clocks. Whatever the hell shuts people up faster. Do it, and do it now. I'd rather have a tipping thread.
 
2020-11-26 4:52:48 PM  

jsmilky: people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.


Many more prefer dark to hold off until at least supper time. Who cares if it's dark at 8? It would be nice to have some light on the drive home.
 
2020-11-26 5:03:00 PM  

kdawg7736: I say that for America too, make Daylight Savings Time permanent.


Correction: make Standard Time permanent.
 
2020-11-26 5:04:53 PM  
These idiots obviously don't realize the impact this will cause on their heating bill. Not to mention global warming.
 
2020-11-26 5:10:43 PM  

Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.


Are you serious?
 
2020-11-26 5:11:15 PM  

mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).


Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.
 
2020-11-26 5:23:59 PM  

mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.


Western Ontario is about an hour off from Ottawa by that measure.

You want to go back to the days where every town has its own time standard?
 
2020-11-26 5:32:11 PM  

Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.


Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?
 
2020-11-26 5:34:47 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: apoptotic: Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.

BC passed legislation over a year ago (but hey, congrats to Ontario for 'leading the way'), but delayed implementing it until the US west coast followed suit. Washington and Oregon have passed legislation, and California voters passed Prop 7 to do the same, but all three states require Congressional approval, so that's what's currently holding it up.

Saskatchewan looks on amused that BC and Ontario think they're leading shiat in this regard.


Touché.

I live near one town in BC that never changes its clocks either. Since distances are measured in travel time around here, the joke is that how far apart our two towns are depends on which direction you're going.
 
2020-11-26 5:43:30 PM  

kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?


Hey, watch your language
 
2020-11-26 5:45:24 PM  

kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?


Like this:
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-11-26 5:51:02 PM  

kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?


Well gee.

Since we're talking about the imaginary LINE that goes from the sun to Earth relative to the perpendicular (or orthogonal) imaginary LINE which is tangent to the ground, I'm calling this one a victory.  Me: 1.  You guys: LOSERS.  Luh-hoo. Suh-HERs.
 
2020-11-26 5:53:13 PM  
When the Sun shines upon Earth, 2 - major Time points are created on opposite sides of Earth - known as Midday and Midnight. Where the 2 major Time forces join, synergy creates 2 new minor Time points we recognize as Sunup and Sundown. The 4-equidistant time points can be considered as Time Square imprinted upon the circle of Earth. In a single rotation of the Earth sphere, each Time corner point rotates through the other 3-corner Time points, thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24-hour Days within a single rotation of Earth - equated to a Higher Order of Life Time Cube.
 
2020-11-26 5:58:45 PM  

buserror: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?

Like this:
[Fark user image 300x150]


4 cornered time cube?
 
2020-11-26 6:00:45 PM  

apoptotic: Representative of the unwashed masses: apoptotic: Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.

BC passed legislation over a year ago (but hey, congrats to Ontario for 'leading the way'), but delayed implementing it until the US west coast followed suit. Washington and Oregon have passed legislation, and California voters passed Prop 7 to do the same, but all three states require Congressional approval, so that's what's currently holding it up.

Saskatchewan looks on amused that BC and Ontario think they're leading shiat in this regard.

Touché.

I live near one town in BC that never changes its clocks either. Since distances are measured in travel time around here, the joke is that how far apart our two towns are depends on which direction you're going.


I know the region. I lived in Dawson Creek for a couple of years myself.
 
2020-11-26 6:12:10 PM  

punkwrestler: RonRon893: ...and the change is to ALWAYS be on "Daylight Saving Time", not to move to standard time.

You realize time is a fictional concept. So they could set the time at whatever stage they want.


No. Time is a well known mathematical concept with associated equations and translations, and the fourth dimension of our universe.

A clock is a shared fiction.
 
2020-11-26 6:13:48 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: apoptotic: Representative of the unwashed masses: apoptotic: Ivo Shandor: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

That would make more sense, but the consensus seems to be for permanent DST. I can live with that if it's the only way to get rid of the biannual flipping.

BC is heading in that direction but put things on hold when the pandemic hit. Also, ours will probably be conditional on the western US states making the same change.

BC passed legislation over a year ago (but hey, congrats to Ontario for 'leading the way'), but delayed implementing it until the US west coast followed suit. Washington and Oregon have passed legislation, and California voters passed Prop 7 to do the same, but all three states require Congressional approval, so that's what's currently holding it up.

Saskatchewan looks on amused that BC and Ontario think they're leading shiat in this regard.

Touché.

I live near one town in BC that never changes its clocks either. Since distances are measured in travel time around here, the joke is that how far apart our two towns are depends on which direction you're going.

I know the region. I lived in Dawson Creek for a couple of years myself.


Yeah there's that area too, but I was actually talking about Creston.
 
2020-11-26 6:14:02 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I lived in Dawson Creek for a couple of years myself.


Welcome to Fark.jpg
 
2020-11-26 6:20:59 PM  

mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?

Well gee.

Since we're talking about the imaginary LINE that goes from the sun to Earth relative to the perpendicular (or orthogonal) imaginary LINE which is tangent to the ground, I'm calling this one a victory.  Me: 1.  You guys: LOSERS.  Luh-hoo. Suh-HERs.



the ground would have a tangent plane, not a tangent line .
 
2020-11-26 6:43:04 PM  

Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?

Well gee.

Since we're talking about the imaginary LINE that goes from the sun to Earth relative to the perpendicular (or orthogonal) imaginary LINE which is tangent to the ground, I'm calling this one a victory.  Me: 1.  You guys: LOSERS.  Luh-hoo. Suh-HERs.


the ground would have a tangent plane, not a tangent line .


And what is a plane when it is viewed edge-on?
 
2020-11-26 6:56:10 PM  

jaytkay: bingethinker: The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.

Depends where you are east & west and north & south. Ontario is a huge province. It's about 1,000 miles wide and 500 miles north to south.


Ontario is more than 1,000 miles north to south.
 
2020-11-26 7:02:07 PM  
I forgot my usual remark in Daylight Saving threads: People who work rotating shifts laugh their asses off at people who get all worked up about a one-hour time change. Suck it up, buttercup!
 
2020-11-26 7:09:00 PM  

punkwrestler: RonRon893: ...and the change is to ALWAYS be on "Daylight Saving Time", not to move to standard time.

You realize time is a fictional concept. So they could set the time at whatever stage they want.


Let's just make it permanently 5:30 pm on a Friday. That way everyone has just gotten off work, has a full paycheck, and two weekend days off ahead of them. One set time, forever. Take the batteries out of the clock. We're done. Never have to go back to work as it never gets to Monday.
 
2020-11-26 7:15:18 PM  

bingethinker: I forgot my usual remark in Daylight Saving threads: People who work rotating shifts laugh their asses off at people who get all worked up about a one-hour time change. Suck it up, buttercup!


Yes and no, while shift workers don't always recognize it. They still deal with the fallout of the time shift...
 
2020-11-26 7:16:54 PM  

Fishbulb30w: jaytkay: bingethinker: The winter solstice is Dec. 21 this year. Sunrise, if we were on Daylight Time, would be 8:40 a.m. Sunset would be 5:23 p.m.

Depends where you are east & west and north & south. Ontario is a huge province. It's about 1,000 miles wide and 500 miles north to south.

Ontario is more than 1,000 miles north to south.


I think he may be estimating contiguous distances.

By my calculation the northernmost to southernmost points are about 1000 miles and easternmost to westernmost about 1400 but because of the weird shape of Ontario no single line due North/south or east/west is nearly that long.
 
2020-11-26 7:21:10 PM  

dywed88: I think he may be estimating contiguous distances.


I made a couple of lines in Google maps, trying to measure parallel to lines longitude meridians. No surprise if I didn't get it right.
 
2020-11-26 7:40:42 PM  

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?

Well gee.

Since we're talking about the imaginary LINE that goes from the sun to Earth relative to the perpendicular (or orthogonal) imaginary LINE which is tangent to the ground, I'm calling this one a victory.  Me: 1.  You guys: LOSERS.  Luh-hoo. Suh-HERs.


the ground would have a tangent plane, not a tangent line .

And what is a plane when it is viewed edge-on?


Its still a plane...
 
2020-11-26 7:53:22 PM  
I say we just move the whole globe to use UTC.  Makes the most sense.

But if not, using standard time is the only local method that makes sense.  If you are going to set time by the sun, then it should be overhead at noon (or close).
 
2020-11-26 8:01:03 PM  

Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?

Well gee.

Since we're talking about the imaginary LINE that goes from the sun to Earth relative to the perpendicular (or orthogonal) imaginary LINE which is tangent to the ground, I'm calling this one a victory.  Me: 1.  You guys: LOSERS.  Luh-hoo. Suh-HERs.


the ground would have a tangent plane, not a tangent line .

And what is a plane when it is viewed edge-on?

Its still a plane...


You didn't pass geometry, did you?

You certainly never took celestial navigation.
 
2020-11-26 8:05:27 PM  

Literally Addicted: swaniefrmreddeer: If things stand, Alberta will be 2 hours ahead of BC, 4 hour drive, and only one hour behind Ontario, 20 hour drive. Hopefully the idiot Kenny will make out next time change our last.

In WHAT fantasy is Alberta a 20 hour drive to...oh...Thunder Bay...nevermind.  I was thinking Toronto to TB is at least 20 right there; but as much as I hate to admit it, Toronto is not the only part of Ontario.  I keep forgetting.



Yes, it's hard to forget TO isn't the center of the universe.

The headline in the Toronto Star the the day after the Hiroshima bombing in 1945 was:

"No one from Toronto injured in blast west of Mississauga"
 
2020-11-26 8:15:03 PM  

Elkad: I say we just move the whole globe to use UTC.  Makes the most sense.


China uses a single time zone.  It's wide enough for about five.
 
2020-11-26 8:17:26 PM  

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: This is so stupid. Just stick to Standard Time. If there's a few things that need seasonal hours to function better, just do that.

Jesus farking Christ THIS.

What the fark is wrong with people?  Daylight saving time is not the "right" time.  The sun has to be perpendicular to the ground at NOON.

Hahah, that literally never happens.

Looks like you've never been to Colombia.

Looks like you never learned the difference between perpendicular and orthogonal.

Looks like you don't know that the words "orthogonal" and "perpendicular" are synonymous.

(You won't win this one).

Only to an uneducated person.  Perpendcular applies to lines only.

Ja.  How can two orthogonal matrices be perpendicular?

Well gee.

Since we're talking about the imaginary LINE that goes from the sun to Earth relative to the perpendicular (or orthogonal) imaginary LINE which is tangent to the ground, I'm calling this one a victory.  Me: 1.  You guys: LOSERS.  Luh-hoo. Suh-HERs.


the ground would have a tangent plane, not a tangent line .

And what is a plane when it is viewed edge-on?

Its still a plane...

You didn't pass geometry, did you?

You certainly never took celestial navigation.


Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.
 
2020-11-26 8:31:29 PM  
I'm not seeing any mention of the science yet.  It says that permanent Standard Time is better for our health than permanent Daylight Savings Time.  We'll get the opposite of the science, of course, because of the secret cabal of morning people who wake up before the rest of us and pass the laws.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health​-​news/changing-clocks-bad-your-health-w​hich-time-choose-n1137021
 
2020-11-26 8:40:04 PM  

Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.


Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
Fark user imageView Full Size


Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-11-26 8:50:06 PM  

Elkad: I say we just move the whole globe to use UTC.  Makes the most sense.


Only if you don't mind the day changing in the middle of your work day.
 
2020-11-26 9:03:25 PM  

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]


Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.
 
2020-11-26 9:12:58 PM  

Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.


Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).
 
2020-11-26 9:19:33 PM  
As an Ontario resident, I'm more than ok with this.

I know mixed opinions of DST abound, but for anyone with outdoor hobbies or pursuits, this is a no-brainer.

Personally I've always found it farking depressing to be greeted with darkness at the end of a work shift.  But I acknowledge that for many people the opposite is true.

In any case, it's all academic unless New York and Quebec sign on.  Considering all the pandemic disconnects happening daily, does anyone really think 3 disparate and heavily populated regions can synchronize on a time adjustment?  It will probably take years if it happens at all.
 
2020-11-26 9:25:30 PM  

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.

Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).


No, they are projections of planes

A plane is a plane regardless of the angle it is viewed from.

Ps, those aren't lines , they are line segments.
 
2020-11-26 9:27:49 PM  

Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.

Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).

No, they are projections of planes

A plane is a plane regardless of the angle it is viewed from.

Ps, those aren't lines , they are line segments.


My eyes can't roll any more.

You go on with your bad self.
 
2020-11-26 10:19:46 PM  

MrKevvy: Mock26: Oh boo f*cking hoo, the sun sets early during winter. Get over it.

I'd rather have the hour of daylight in the evening, when it's a motivator to go outside and get some exercise after work, than in the morning when it's colder and work is imminent. Permanent DST is far preferable to me than permanent ST.


If you'd rather have more time after work than in the morning, drag your ass out of bed, start work early, and finish early. You morning people can do that without having to change your clock and making the rest of us pretend you're not telling us we have to drag our lazy asses out of bed early too.

Noon is when the sun's highest in the sky. It's supposed to be at 12:00, not 1:00, and the time zones are set so that on average it's pretty close to that in most places.
 
2020-11-26 10:24:55 PM  

ski9600: A lot of people here say that they hate Daylight Savings Time.  I don't think they realize that if we didn't have that it would be 1 hour worse.


No, it wouldn't be an hour worse having standard time all year.  It would be fine. And if you like getting up early in the summer, you're free to do so.

Back in the Jimmy Carter days, the US did year-round DST one year, in an unsuccessful attempt to save energy.  It meant that I had to walk to high school in the dark, which was cold and unsafe.  Leave it on standard time the whole time, and we'll be fine.
 
2020-11-26 10:41:23 PM  

billstewart: If you'd rather have more time after work than in the morning, drag your ass out of bed, start work early, and finish early.


Unfortunately, many of us are constrained by fixed working hours..
 
2020-11-26 10:46:06 PM  
Some people are not impressed.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-11-26 11:57:25 PM  

feanorn: jsmilky: people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.

Many more prefer dark to hold off until at least supper time. Who cares if it's dark at 8? It would be nice to have some light on the drive home.


Would you care it if was dark until 9am?  Because that's what is going to happen to most places if we move to DST permanently.  Sunrise right now is at about 7:45am.  Move to DST and it's going to be 8:45am.   Who the fark wants sunrise that late in the day?
 
2020-11-27 12:37:07 AM  

frestcrallen: As an Ontario resident, I'm more than ok with this.

I know mixed opinions of DST abound, but for anyone with outdoor hobbies or pursuits, this is a no-brainer.

Personally I've always found it farking depressing to be greeted with darkness at the end of a work shift.  But I acknowledge that for many people the opposite is true.

In any case, it's all academic unless New York and Quebec sign on.  Considering all the pandemic disconnects happening daily, does anyone really think 3 disparate and heavily populated regions can synchronize on a time adjustment?  It will probably take years if it happens at all.


I think in a decade changing the clocks will be dead. NY had a bill submitted to its legislature two weeks ago. And Quebec's government has indicated that they are in favour of it.

About a dozen states have passed bills for permanent DST (all conditional on Congressional approval, many on nearby states) and about twice that many have bills pending. And this is a broad swathe of Republican and Democrat lead states so I suspect Congress will sign off.

The ball is rolling and it is going to happen. I expect most places will go permanent DST but a few places will go permanent standard time.
 
2020-11-27 12:46:39 AM  

silverjets: feanorn: jsmilky: people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.

Many more prefer dark to hold off until at least supper time. Who cares if it's dark at 8? It would be nice to have some light on the drive home.

Would you care it if was dark until 9am?  Because that's what is going to happen to most places if we move to DST permanently.  Sunrise right now is at about 7:45am.  Move to DST and it's going to be 8:45am.   Who the fark wants sunrise that late in the day?


I wouldn't mind. Much better fark at 8:30 am than 4:30 pm.
 
2020-11-27 12:51:35 AM  

silverjets: Would you care it if was dark until 9am?  Because that's what is going to happen to most places if we move to DST permanently.  Sunrise right now is at about 7:45am.  Move to DST and it's going to be 8:45am.   Who the fark wants sunrise that late in the day?


I guess this is the crux of DST vs. ST.  Active evening people vs. active morning people.

If I get extended daylight in the evenings, I wouldn't care if the sun didn't come up until 10am.  I'm never doing anything recreational in the early morning, all I'm doing is preparing for work.  But obviously all those crack of dawn cyclists / joggers / photographers / fishermen etc. might feel otherwise.
 
2020-11-27 12:52:53 AM  

dywed88: NY had a bill submitted to its legislature two weeks ago. And Quebec's government has indicated that they are in favour of it.


I didn't know that and stand corrected.
 
Juc [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-11-27 3:07:34 AM  

silverjets: feanorn: jsmilky: people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.

Many more prefer dark to hold off until at least supper time. Who cares if it's dark at 8? It would be nice to have some light on the drive home.

Would you care it if was dark until 9am?  Because that's what is going to happen to most places if we move to DST permanently.  Sunrise right now is at about 7:45am.  Move to DST and it's going to be 8:45am.   Who the fark wants sunrise that late in the day?


That's what life is like here in the winter anyway. I think tomorrow the sun's only up after my work starts for the day and it sets before I'm done. The number on a clock doesn't change how the sun's only up at work. But it does mess with sleep schedules
 
2020-11-27 6:18:29 AM  

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.

Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).

No, they are projections of planes

A plane is a plane regardless of the angle it is viewed from.

Ps, those aren't lines , they are line segments.

My eyes can't roll any more.

You go on with your bad self.


Womp womp.  Cry moar, beyotch
 
2020-11-27 9:06:39 AM  

billstewart: .

If you'd rather have more time after work than in the morning, drag your ass out of bed, start work early, and finish early. .


Must be nice to be self employed.
 
2020-11-27 10:00:03 AM  
One of the most interesting conversations I had in Switzerland was about having seasonal time changes.

Switzerland didn't do that, but still paid the price because all printed transportation schedules had to be redone every season, the many borders being so close.  It's like paying a tax to cleanup the drunk neighbor's messes.
 
2020-11-27 11:52:55 AM  

BitwiseShift: One of the most interesting conversations I had in Switzerland was about having seasonal time changes.

Switzerland didn't do that, but still paid the price because all printed transportation schedules had to be redone every season, the many borders being so close.  It's like paying a tax to cleanup the drunk neighbor's messes.


What's a "printed transportation schedule"?
 
2020-11-27 12:33:22 PM  

dywed88: silverjets: feanorn: jsmilky: people prefer to have a sunny morning rather than still dark at 8am.

Many more prefer dark to hold off until at least supper time. Who cares if it's dark at 8? It would be nice to have some light on the drive home.

Would you care it if was dark until 9am?  Because that's what is going to happen to most places if we move to DST permanently.  Sunrise right now is at about 7:45am.  Move to DST and it's going to be 8:45am.   Who the fark wants sunrise that late in the day?

I wouldn't mind. Much better fark at 8:30 am than 4:30 pm.


On which day?
 
2020-11-27 12:36:05 PM  

Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.

Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).

No, they are projections of planes

A plane is a plane regardless of the angle it is viewed from.

Ps, those aren't lines , they are line segments.

My eyes can't roll any more.

You go on with your bad self.

Womp womp.  Cry moar, beyotch


Oh, you actually are a child. I'm sorry, I thought I was conversing with an adult. Sorry about wasting your time; you can go back to playing Digimon or Atari or whatever you kids do.
 
2020-11-27 1:40:39 PM  

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.

Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).

No, they are projections of planes

A plane is a plane regardless of the angle it is viewed from.

Ps, those aren't lines , they are line segments.

My eyes can't roll any more.

You go on with your bad self.

Womp womp.  Cry moar, beyotch

Oh, you actually are a child. I'm sorry, I thought I was conversing with an adult. Sorry about wasting your time; you can go back to playing Digimon or Atari or whatever you kids do.



must suck for you that a "child" had to school your "adult" ass
 
2020-11-27 2:00:33 PM  

Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.

Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).

No, they are projections of planes

A plane is a plane regardless of the angle it is viewed from.

Ps, those aren't lines , they are line segments.

My eyes can't roll any more.

You go on with your bad self.

Womp womp.  Cry moar, beyotch

Oh, you actually are a child. I'm sorry, I thought I was conversing with an adult. Sorry about wasting your time; you can go back to playing Digimon or Atari or whatever you kids do.


must suck for you that a "child" had to school your "adult" ass


Ok, now you're just living in an alternate reality. Why don't you go back to Call of Duty and leave the rest of us alone.
 
2020-11-27 2:21:02 PM  

g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: g.fro: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: kpaxoid: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: Leader O'Cola: mudesi: NeoCortex42: ...

Are you suggesting that the angle something is viewed along actually changes its real physical dimension?  Because what you wrote literally suggests so.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words :
[Fark user image image 425x566]

Or maybe this is more relevant to the original discussion:

[Fark user image image 425x566]

Neither of those disproves anything. I have said.

Except for all those lines in the first figure which are actually planes (and a couple cones).

No, they are projections of planes

A plane is a plane regardless of the angle it is viewed from.

Ps, those aren't lines , they are line segments.

My eyes can't roll any more.

You go on with your bad self.

Womp womp.  Cry moar, beyotch

Oh, you actually are a child. I'm sorry, I thought I was conversing with an adult. Sorry about wasting your time; you can go back to playing Digimon or Atari or whatever you kids do.


must suck for you that a "child" had to school your "adult" ass

Ok, now you're just living in an alternate reality. Why don't you go back to Call of Duty and leave the rest of us alone.



is a plane still a plane when it's rotated about an axis?

yes,
or
no
 
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