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(The Scottish Sun)   Angry tradesman goes to town on two townhouses with hammer after 'not being paid' for his building work   (thescottishsun.co.uk) divider line
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2020-11-26 11:27:21 AM  
17 votes:
"Angry Tradesman" is the name of my Rage Against the Machine/Men at Work polka band.
 
2020-11-26 9:53:17 AM  
17 votes:
My standard for dealing with this kind of stuff:

1) All materials must be purchased from the hardware store I specify, using the account I have opened for this job. I will be notified of all purchases when they are made and that will be the only way I will compensate you for materials.
2) All work to be done will be itemized in the contract that will be signed by both parties before work is complete. No more, no less unless we both agree in writing.
3) (for heavy or long jobs) A milestone payment will be paid when I agree that half of the work has been completed.
4) The remaining money will be paid when I agree that the job is complete as per the contract.

If that's not the way you work, then you aren't going to work for me.
 
2020-11-26 12:29:50 PM  
8 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I don't typically click on "The Sun" so I'm just going to pretend that "Angry Tradesman" is a Fark handle, "go to town on" means have sex with, "hammer" is Angry Tradesman's buddy's nickname and "building work" is aroma therapy.


Well, here's a hint, they don't call him "Angus, the Bridgebuilder."

But he DOES use the tradesman's entrance.
 
2020-11-26 11:45:31 AM  
5 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I don't typically click on "The Sun" so I'm just going to pretend that "Angry Tradesman" is a Fark handle, "go to town on" means have sex with, "hammer" is Angry Tradesman's buddy's nickname and "building work" is aroma therapy.


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2020-11-26 11:27:49 AM  
5 votes:
If I Had a Hammer (Hammer Song)
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2020-11-26 11:42:06 AM  
3 votes:
Should have taken a rotohammer to the foundations. Perpetrators of wage theft sould be crucified upside-down and waterboarded as a public urinal until dead.

Change.
My farking.
Mind.
 
2020-11-26 11:41:47 AM  
3 votes:
Not as severe, but I guess there was a installer who didn't get paid for the furnace that he put in. Homeowner calls company I work for, heating doesn't work. Get there and I see draft inducer motor assembly was gone. Call my boss, says to stay out of this, homeowner/landlord going to have to solve problem with installer.
 
2020-11-26 11:36:13 AM  
3 votes:
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2020-11-26 5:44:03 PM  
2 votes:
Thread turned out the way I expected. I have a contractor story too. A guy did some crappy work at my house and I repeatedly asked him to correct it. He already had the money, but had told me he guaranteed the work.

The only thing he guaranteed was that he wasn't going to correct it or refund any money.

So I burned his house and vehicles to the ground.
 
2020-11-26 1:11:33 PM  
2 votes:
Although I must admit.   Crushing the white car with the house sized front end loader must of flet glorious to do.  (4:16)

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2020-11-26 12:50:41 PM  
2 votes:

Ker_Thwap: No idea about England, but if the homeowner doesn't pay, one can file a mechanics lien, against the property, typically if you made a material improvement in the property with your labor and or materials were used.  Some of the specifics depend on the state as always.

I've met/interviewed a whole lot of contractors/subcontractors/tradesmen.  It's a brutal industry, and a lot of the larger contractors have a reputation of paying their subs "just enough" to cover their fixed costs and minimize the chance of lawsuits.  Yeah, we promised you $7,000, you're getting $5,000.  You should be happy we gave you that much, and you can make your mortgage/truck payments.  Want to work in this town again, you'll take the $5,000 and like it.

Smashing/removing the work/materials, that's never going to work out for you.


File all ya want.  It's no guarantee you get your work done or money back.

Here in the US, a neighbor contacted another neighbor to do about $10k of work to his cabin.  The guy did maybe 3k of work, and bought 5k in materials (the actual numbers escape me)and essentially stopped.  Neighbor said "gimme back $2500 and let's just part ways.

Worker neighbor went psyyyyyycho.  All sorts of harassment, stalking, and intimidation.

Good neighbor took him to court, bad neighbor ended up with a $9k judgement...and disappeared a week later. Poof.  Gone.

Good neighbor is still out a bunch of money and had to pay more to get the work done.

Been a good 10 years since that happened, bad neighbor is still missing.

/And good riddance
//He lit my woods on fire a little
///Don't drink and pass out while burning leaves.  Then the grass.  Then two neighbor's woods
 
2020-11-26 12:30:29 PM  
2 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Yeah, we promised you $7,000, you're getting $5,000. You should be happy we gave you that much, and you can make your mortgage/truck payments. Want to work in this town again, you'll take the $5,000 and like it.

Smashing/removing the work/materials, that's never going to work out for you.


In other words, "take it like a slave and be happy for what we deign to give you"?

Enough times of that and I'd probably take my chances with the smashing too.
 
2020-11-26 12:16:37 PM  
2 votes:
No idea about England, but if the homeowner doesn't pay, one can file a mechanics lien, against the property, typically if you made a material improvement in the property with your labor and or materials were used.  Some of the specifics depend on the state as always.

I've met/interviewed a whole lot of contractors/subcontractors/tradesmen.  It's a brutal industry, and a lot of the larger contractors have a reputation of paying their subs "just enough" to cover their fixed costs and minimize the chance of lawsuits.  Yeah, we promised you $7,000, you're getting $5,000.  You should be happy we gave you that much, and you can make your mortgage/truck payments.  Want to work in this town again, you'll take the $5,000 and like it.

Smashing/removing the work/materials, that's never going to work out for you.
 
2020-11-26 11:40:32 AM  
2 votes:
I'll bet it was an accounting screw up and his pay was delayed by maybe a few days. I've seen a few construction workers go crazy over stuff like that, meanwhile everyone else employed by the company shrugs their shoulders and barely notices the late pay.
 
2020-11-26 11:37:42 AM  
2 votes:
I don't typically click on "The Sun" so I'm just going to pretend that "Angry Tradesman" is a Fark handle, "go to town on" means have sex with, "hammer" is Angry Tradesman's buddy's nickname and "building work" is aroma therapy.
 
2020-11-26 5:44:36 PM  
1 vote:

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: My customers are mainly large companies who are repeat clients, so I just pester my point of contact until he or she ends up begging their accounting department to at long last square up with me.

/ I want my two dollars


I used to do that with our salesmen who would sell an account, then neglect to get me the paperwork I needed to file it with the state..  Email and voicemail EVERY GODDAM DAY until you get me what I need.  Somehow, I was "picking on them" because they didn't do their job.  F*cking Sales.
 
2020-11-26 4:45:13 PM  
1 vote:

Ker_Thwap: My landlady just contracted out the furnace replacement in my rental cabin herself... and it went like you described.  She bought the furnace unit, had it delivered, and she hired a guy to install it.  When the thing was installed and wouldn't light... it was everyone else's problem.  The big name hardware store didn't want to support the furnace because it could have been an installation error, and it wasn't their installer. the installer claimed there was no installation error. the propane company charged a fee every time they came out to turn unlock/lock the propane tank.  The installer told me to call the manufacturer and ask for new parts.  I called the manufacturer, they wanted info about the pressure readings, and how the converter was installed, information I didn't have.  The installer didn't want to have to wait on hold for the manufacturer and whined a whole lot.  No one wanted to be responsible.  But, hey, my landlady saved $100 initially.


Good luck getting the installer to come out when it goes down some Saturday night at 2am. The big name furnace brands are very picky about who installed them when it comes to warranty coverage and tech support. If you aren't a dealer you get the worst support imaginable I once spent 2 hours on hold with Lennox because they were busy and I don't sell Lennox so I can just go fark myself.
 
2020-11-26 3:50:45 PM  
1 vote:

Tr0mBoNe: My standard for dealing with this kind of stuff:

1) All materials must be purchased from the hardware store I specify, using the account I have opened for this job. I will be notified of all purchases when they are made and that will be the only way I will compensate you for materials.
2) All work to be done will be itemized in the contract that will be signed by both parties before work is complete. No more, no less unless we both agree in writing.
3) (for heavy or long jobs) A milestone payment will be paid when I agree that half of the work has been completed.
4) The remaining money will be paid when I agree that the job is complete as per the contract.

If that's not the way you work, then you aren't going to work for me.


I don't take any work if the customer wants me to use his materials or supplier. I have arrangements with my own suppliers and if I charge a bit extra for the materials it is because I have to go and get them but again I have my own suppliers so I get a better level of service and quite often a better price (minimum 30% right off list). If I have to go to Bob's Hardware because my customer wants me to buy everything there that means I have to stand in line and wait. I then have to wait to be loaded up. If there is an issue with the materials I again have to wait or jump through a pile of hoops. As a contractor I get priority service over the public and if there's an issue with the parts or materials I can call my rep and they will rush me over a replacement. But hey Mr. Bigshot customer is super worried about having to pay too much so I'll just drive over to Bob's Hardware and stand in line while the 16 year old kid working the cash tries to figure out how to do a return. I've also had issues with the customer's equipment not actually being the right equipment. They've handed me stuff that isn't even legal to use in Canada that they found for cheap online or that just isn't compatible with the other stuff they want installed. If you hire me for a job you need to trust that I at least have some clue what I'm doing plus just a little trust in general that I'm not going to rip you off. If you can't do that I don't want the work.

I'm also going to take issue with not being paid until you agree the job is complete. If I complete the job as per the scope of work the job is done. I've had too many customers that decide when the bill comes due that they really aren't quite happy with the price or they want some changes done before they pay me. Nope. If it's not in the initial scope of work it doesn't get done and I still want my money.
 
2020-11-26 3:18:38 PM  
1 vote:

Carter Pewterschmidt: I'm having new windows fitted in my house right this moment. I suppose I'd better pay them or they'll come back and take the windows out. It's too cold this time of year to sleep with no windows.


My state has much harder mechanics liens. It's a title that makes people think it's for car work, but it's an old act for contractors doing work on houses.

Basically, if you don't pay they can go to court and a judge will force the sale of your house to settle the debt. It's not one of those liens that sits there for years waiting until the property is voluntarily sold to collect money. It's enforceable to where a judge can say "Pay them or your house will be sold in 60 days to settle the debt."
 
2020-11-26 1:39:03 PM  
1 vote:

The Green Intern: Ker_Thwap: ... or maybe file a mechanics lien, like I first noted. The homeowner will freak out and put pressure on the contractor for you. You don't have to go straight to a tantrum that will possibly land you in jail. Stop trying to put dumb words in my mouth.

The way you wrote that post, you made it sound like that doesn't work.  Because the first thing you said is "File a lien", with no details after that, then went into much more detail about how "a lot of the larger contractors have a reputation of paying their subs 'just enough' to cover their fixed costs and minimize the chance of lawsuits."

Sounds like they wouldn't have a reputation for doing that for very long if the lien strategy worked.  Can a subcontractor keep working other jobs while they're in court?  Is it a free filing?  Do they need a lawyer?  Is the lawyer free?  Would they get hired after?  They get their 7k for that job, but then nobody hires them again.

I didn't put dumb words in your mouth.  They seem to have fallen out on their own.


Strategy doesn't work because people don't use it, aren't aware that it exists.
 
2020-11-26 1:07:40 PM  
1 vote:
Good for him.
I would've set the place on fire.
Yes, I am a maniac.
 
2020-11-26 1:04:27 PM  
1 vote:

Ker_Thwap: ... or maybe file a mechanics lien, like I first noted. The homeowner will freak out and put pressure on the contractor for you. You don't have to go straight to a tantrum that will possibly land you in jail. Stop trying to put dumb words in my mouth.


The way you wrote that post, you made it sound like that doesn't work.  Because the first thing you said is "File a lien", with no details after that, then went into much more detail about how "a lot of the larger contractors have a reputation of paying their subs 'just enough' to cover their fixed costs and minimize the chance of lawsuits."

Sounds like they wouldn't have a reputation for doing that for very long if the lien strategy worked.  Can a subcontractor keep working other jobs while they're in court?  Is it a free filing?  Do they need a lawyer?  Is the lawyer free?  Would they get hired after?  They get their 7k for that job, but then nobody hires them again.

I didn't put dumb words in your mouth.  They seem to have fallen out on their own.
 
2020-11-26 1:02:28 PM  
1 vote:

The Green Intern: Ker_Thwap: Yeah, we promised you $7,000, you're getting $5,000. You should be happy we gave you that much, and you can make your mortgage/truck payments. Want to work in this town again, you'll take the $5,000 and like it.

Smashing/removing the work/materials, that's never going to work out for you.

In other words, "take it like a slave and be happy for what we deign to give you"?

Enough times of that and I'd probably take my chances with the smashing too.


Violence and destruction are always the answer. Usually stands up in court as well.
 
2020-11-26 12:51:34 PM  
1 vote:

Tr0mBoNe: My standard for dealing with this kind of stuff:

1) All materials must be purchased from the hardware store I specify, using the account I have opened for this job. I will be notified of all purchases when they are made and that will be the only way I will compensate you for materials.
2) All work to be done will be itemized in the contract that will be signed by both parties before work is complete. No more, no less unless we both agree in writing.
3) (for heavy or long jobs) A milestone payment will be paid when I agree that half of the work has been completed.
4) The remaining money will be paid when I agree that the job is complete as per the contract.

If that's not the way you work, then you aren't going to work for me.


When I was an electrician, my boss - a Master Electrician - used to pull permits for the entire electrical service for the construction. So all the subcontractors were using his power. Ohh the fun we had, when the owners would try and get shiatty about the costs. We delayed EVERYTHING on site, until they realized that it was going to take them a lot more money to get another ME to pull a permit and take over the work, not that many of them and they tend to stick together. Rich assholes that want to nickle and dime you to death. It still makes me laugh, and I have been out of that for 15 years. You seem to be one of them.....fark your work.
 
2020-11-26 12:38:34 PM  
1 vote:

The Green Intern: Ker_Thwap: Yeah, we promised you $7,000, you're getting $5,000. You should be happy we gave you that much, and you can make your mortgage/truck payments. Want to work in this town again, you'll take the $5,000 and like it.

Smashing/removing the work/materials, that's never going to work out for you.

In other words, "take it like a slave and be happy for what we deign to give you"?

Enough times of that and I'd probably take my chances with the smashing too.


... or maybe file a mechanics lien, like I first noted.  The homeowner will freak out and put pressure on the contractor for you.  You don't have to go straight to a tantrum that will possibly land you in jail.  Stop trying to put dumb words in my mouth.
 
2020-11-26 12:35:44 PM  
1 vote:

Toxophil: Should have taken a rotohammer to the foundations. Perpetrators of wage theft sould be crucified upside-down and waterboarded as a public urinal until dead.

Change.
My farking.
Mind.


I mean, you could just take them to court. Has the added benefit that you won't be criminally charged for doing it.
 
2020-11-26 12:33:06 PM  
1 vote:

Madman drummers bummers: Oh, I didn't know Trump was still in the housing business.


Hurr durr Trump lol funneh.

Jesus, get a grip.  Not everything involves Trump.
 
2020-11-26 11:51:59 AM  
1 vote:
Why is "not being paid" in quotes? Does The Sun think lower class people work for free?

/not that it justifies what he did, but come on
 
2020-11-26 11:46:37 AM  
1 vote:
Was he tho thore that he couldn't pith?
 
2020-11-26 11:43:04 AM  
1 vote:
Too bad this guy wasn't hired to work (& then not paid)  on Trump's golf complex in Scotland
 
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