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2020-11-26 3:15:34 AM  
Boomers suck.

I hope they get sent to one of those homes from 60 Minutes.
 
2020-11-26 3:15:41 AM  
They're the only ones that matter, so they were kinda right.

The kids? They grew up with the Internet. They are natives to it. They have a certain degree of media awareness baked in. My generation? We started using the Interwebz in our late teens to early 20s. We likewise grew adept at spotting specious bullsh*t. Not 100%, but better than the generation cohort that got the Internets in their 30s and 40s.

Don't get me wrong, media awareness should be a regular course in high school, as much as civics. Just as much as PE  to help kids gain awareness and tools to navigate through life. But the Boomers are all set against print. Against slow creep, but the velocity of the media environment is designed to short circuit consideration. It follows multiple avenues. A variety of "sources" that are all part of the same campaign. It is designed to take those already vulnerable to manipulation, and twist their decision trees all into knots. Age isn't always a consideration, but degree of social engagement and more importantly, variety in social engagement gives a better view of the media landscape. It's not about being woke, it's about keeping an open mind. A lot of Boomers were good with their views twenty years ago, and they often lack the awareness to understand how they've changed. They're the same. They have to be. It's just that world around them that's gotten all out of whack. And preying on fears and anxiety is what media is good at. For the kids as well as us old duffers. But the kids at least have experience in spotting the obvious bullsh*t, and that native awareness gives them at least some defense.
 
2020-11-26 4:23:22 AM  
I feel very fortunate that my parents hate Cheeto McTinyhands almost as much as I do.
 
2020-11-26 7:57:40 AM  
I've noticed that some of this strikes people in my age group "Gen X".  It's just not among my friends, but if you poke around you'll see it. 

I'm a Facebook voyeur.  Whenever a news article allows FB comments, that's gold.  Besides the lots of bots (photos that consist of a single dog and no background that only comments on news articles and shares memes) users don't get that FB uses an algorithm to link people who like the same thing. They think it's a broadcast and that when they post something that everyone they know, or that everyone on FB sees it. A popular meme in the last month was "Post a Trump meme and a Biden meme and see which gets more likes."  The Trumpers all did it and got 10 times more Trump likes. Therefore, Trump won in a landslide.  This was a popular thing.

Many people also don't understand that YouTube is monetized.  They think it's more trustworthy than traditional media because it's coming from this "more down to Earth" media provider that isn't the dreaded Big Media.
 
2020-11-26 8:46:45 AM  
TV what the first iteration of the mind control machine and they hadn't ironed out all the bugs yet.  Now with the internet your brain doesn't turn to mush so you can continue to be a better worker for longer.
 
2020-11-26 8:50:09 AM  
"The medium is the message." - Marshall McLuhan, 1964
 
2020-11-26 8:50:18 AM  
I don't know what you're talking about Subby. Boomers are Masters of the cyber universe. Why just look at this wonderful novel about a boomer who saves our country:
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2020-11-26 8:50:53 AM  
As a Boomer, I can see "If it's there, it must be true" over and over again.

But, if MAD Magazine taught me anything, is EVERYTHING should be taken with a shaker of salt.
 
2020-11-26 8:51:38 AM  

hubiestubert: They're the only ones that matter, so they were kinda right.

The kids? They grew up with the Internet. They are natives to it. They have a certain degree of media awareness baked in. My generation? We started using the Interwebz in our late teens to early 20s. We likewise grew adept at spotting specious bullsh*t. Not 100%, but better than the generation cohort that got the Internets in their 30s and 40s.

Don't get me wrong, media awareness should be a regular course in high school, as much as civics. Just as much as PE  to help kids gain awareness and tools to navigate through life. But the Boomers are all set against print. Against slow creep, but the velocity of the media environment is designed to short circuit consideration. It follows multiple avenues. A variety of "sources" that are all part of the same campaign. It is designed to take those already vulnerable to manipulation, and twist their decision trees all into knots. Age isn't always a consideration, but degree of social engagement and more importantly, variety in social engagement gives a better view of the media landscape. It's not about being woke, it's about keeping an open mind. A lot of Boomers were good with their views twenty years ago, and they often lack the awareness to understand how they've changed. They're the same. They have to be. It's just that world around them that's gotten all out of whack. And preying on fears and anxiety is what media is good at. For the kids as well as us old duffers. But the kids at least have experience in spotting the obvious bullsh*t, and that native awareness gives them at least some defense.


That would soothe me, if I had never spoken or spent time around "digital natives".
 
2020-11-26 8:52:31 AM  
go back further. society rot truly kicked into gear with cable TV. specifically, Morton Downy Jr.'s trash TV show. and Mtv. treating people like crap, and giving people a 1 minute attention span. we've been devolving for a long time.

Cubansaltyballs: Boomers suck.

I hope they get sent to one of those homes from 60 Minutes.


it's nice you hate your parents / grand parents. Happy Thanksgiving.
 
2020-11-26 8:54:06 AM  

Another Government Employee: As a Boomer, I can see "If it's there, it must be true" over and over again.

But, if MAD Magazine taught me anything, is EVERYTHING should be taken with a shaker of salt.


And Donald Trump has been a failure to be ridiculed since the 80s.
 
2020-11-26 8:55:19 AM  
Article tries *really* hard to equate MSNBC and CNN with Fox and OANN.

GTFO with that both sides shiat.  You may not like MSNBC or CNN but they are still part of the reality based community.  The polarization is happening but only one side spends its time engaged in conspiracy theories with literally no basis in fact.

Trump is 1-shiatloads in court because even as stacked as the courts are for the right they still require actual facts rather than what right wing media wants people to believe.
 
2020-11-26 8:56:11 AM  
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2020-11-26 8:56:17 AM  
My parents are actually fine. My mom won't even post things I tell her that are within my field of expertise if I don't provide a citation.

Man, I have since crazy uncles, though.
 
2020-11-26 8:56:23 AM  
Oh good, a "generation" clickbait thread.
We haven't had one of those in hours, and I was starting to worry.
 
2020-11-26 8:58:08 AM  
As a Gen Xer,

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2020-11-26 8:59:31 AM  
Not so sure this supports headline's claims.
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2020-11-26 9:00:06 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Article tries *really* hard to equate MSNBC and CNN with Fox and OANN.

GTFO with that both sides shiat.  You may not like MSNBC or CNN but they are still part of the reality based community.  The polarization is happening but only one side spends its time engaged in conspiracy theories with literally no basis in fact.

Trump is 1-shiatloads in court because even as stacked as the courts are for the right they still require actual facts rather than what right wing media wants people to believe.


People like to pretend the Russia investigation was completely baseless to equate it with your average Fox news show. Seems like fewer people would have gotten convicted if it was baseless, but I guess that's just reality.
 
2020-11-26 9:02:38 AM  
I get a kick out of watching people struggle remembering their phone number or thinking they are knowledgeable because they can weakly search the system of tubes instead of the dump truck.
 
2020-11-26 9:04:02 AM  
I know Boomers that are otherwise intelligent people who occasionally fall prey to... at times baffling bullshiat fed to them through the internet. Fortunately they have an open enough mind that I can still talk them through it. They trust in fundamental scientific principles and know the difference between a fact and an opinion, so it's possible. The anti-science/reality group though? They're lost. There's no coming back from that.

That anti-science/reason/reality sentiment exists within my generation as well though, (Millenials) and even in the Zoomers. I don't know what form intentional ignorance will take in 30-40 years, but this won't be going away in our lifetimes.
 
2020-11-26 9:06:50 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: I get a kick out of watching people struggle remembering their phone number or thinking they are knowledgeable because they can weakly search the system of tubes instead of the dump truck.


I also enjoy creating hypotheticals in which I totally dunk on some hapless loser.  I have yet to lose either an argument or a fistfight in my mind.
 
2020-11-26 9:07:46 AM  
Explain TikTok
 
2020-11-26 9:09:17 AM  

Another Government Employee: As a Boomer, I can see "If it's there, it must be true" over and over again.

But, if MAD Magazine taught me anything, is EVERYTHING should be taken with a shaker of salt.


One of the best things my parents did for me when I was growing up was get me a subscription to MAD. Especially in the 70s and 80s, when it was at its height of talent.
 
2020-11-26 9:09:18 AM  

adj_m: I know Boomers that are otherwise intelligent people who occasionally fall prey to... at times baffling bullshiat fed to them through the internet. Fortunately they have an open enough mind that I can still talk them through it. They trust in fundamental scientific principles and know the difference between a fact and an opinion, so it's possible. The anti-science/reality group though? They're lost. There's no coming back from that.

That anti-science/reason/reality sentiment exists within my generation as well though, (Millenials) and even in the Zoomers. I don't know what form intentional ignorance will take in 30-40 years, but this won't be going away in our lifetimes.


I learned during the Kylie Irving fiasco that Instagram is a hotspot for twenty something flat-earthers.
 
2020-11-26 9:09:49 AM  
I used to hang around online on the social tab of a forum dedicated to one of my hobbies. But I realized that socializing with a bunch of middle aged white male libertarians-who-vote-for-trump was kind of infecting my brain. So I hang out on fark now. Doh!
 
2020-11-26 9:10:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: StoPPeRmobile: I get a kick out of watching people struggle remembering their phone number or thinking they are knowledgeable because they can weakly search the system of tubes instead of the dump truck.

I also enjoy creating hypotheticals in which I totally dunk on some hapless loser.  I have yet to lose either an argument or a fistfight in my mind.


It's how all us secretly, shamefully inferior people kid ourselves that we are better than others.
 
2020-11-26 9:11:14 AM  

CordycepsInYourBrain: I used to hang around online on the social tab of a forum dedicated to one of my hobbies. But I realized that socializing with a bunch of middle aged white male libertarians-who-vote-for-trump was kind of infecting my brain. So I hang out on fark now. Doh!


Fark handle checks out.
 
2020-11-26 9:13:49 AM  
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2020-11-26 9:15:51 AM  

jso2897: Rapmaster2000: StoPPeRmobile: I get a kick out of watching people struggle remembering their phone number or thinking they are knowledgeable because they can weakly search the system of tubes instead of the dump truck.

I also enjoy creating hypotheticals in which I totally dunk on some hapless loser.  I have yet to lose either an argument or a fistfight in my mind.

It's how all us secretly, shamefully inferior people kid ourselves that we are better than others.


Sir, you have insulted my character.  I challenge you to a hypothetical duel!
 
2020-11-26 9:18:45 AM  
The new Zoomer conspiracy is about dinosaurs.  There were no reports of dinosaur bones in the 1700s.  Therefore, they are a recent invention.
 
2020-11-26 9:20:37 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Another Government Employee: As a Boomer, I can see "If it's there, it must be true" over and over again.

But, if MAD Magazine taught me anything, is EVERYTHING should be taken with a shaker of salt.

One of the best things my parents did for me when I was growing up was get me a subscription to MAD. Especially in the 70s and 80s, when it was at its height of talent.


Every Christmas morning we got a new magazine in the stocking. My sisters got girly stuff but I got the December issue of MAD every year from 1986 to 2002. Definitely warped me towards the better.
 
2020-11-26 9:20:55 AM  

Rapmaster2000: jso2897: Rapmaster2000: StoPPeRmobile: I get a kick out of watching people struggle remembering their phone number or thinking they are knowledgeable because they can weakly search the system of tubes instead of the dump truck.

I also enjoy creating hypotheticals in which I totally dunk on some hapless loser.  I have yet to lose either an argument or a fistfight in my mind.

It's how all us secretly, shamefully inferior people kid ourselves that we are better than others.

Sir, you have insulted my character.  I challenge you to a hypothetical duel!


In theory, I accept.
 
2020-11-26 9:22:19 AM  

fireclown: hubiestubert: They're the only ones that matter, so they were kinda right.

The kids? They grew up with the Internet. They are natives to it. They have a certain degree of media awareness baked in. My generation? We started using the Interwebz in our late teens to early 20s. We likewise grew adept at spotting specious bullsh*t. Not 100%, but better than the generation cohort that got the Internets in their 30s and 40s.

Don't get me wrong, media awareness should be a regular course in high school, as much as civics. Just as much as PE  to help kids gain awareness and tools to navigate through life. But the Boomers are all set against print. Against slow creep, but the velocity of the media environment is designed to short circuit consideration. It follows multiple avenues. A variety of "sources" that are all part of the same campaign. It is designed to take those already vulnerable to manipulation, and twist their decision trees all into knots. Age isn't always a consideration, but degree of social engagement and more importantly, variety in social engagement gives a better view of the media landscape. It's not about being woke, it's about keeping an open mind. A lot of Boomers were good with their views twenty years ago, and they often lack the awareness to understand how they've changed. They're the same. They have to be. It's just that world around them that's gotten all out of whack. And preying on fears and anxiety is what media is good at. For the kids as well as us old duffers. But the kids at least have experience in spotting the obvious bullsh*t, and that native awareness gives them at least some defense.

That would soothe me, if I had never spoken or spent time around "digital natives".


Like I said, we should have media awareness classes in high school. I had a very angry Yippie teacher in high school who took it upon himself address the role in media in modifying behavior in our Sociology class. Vulnerable populations are still vulnerable, especially if they have no idea that they're being targeted. And if the message is crafted right, even those who are experienced can get gulled from time to time.
 
2020-11-26 9:22:31 AM  
Boomer here, I regularly debunk memes on FaceBook. Always end with "please do a little bit of research before you post things."
Does seem to help sometimes.
People seem to stop posting things if they get embarrassed.
 
2020-11-26 9:24:07 AM  

hubiestubert: They're the only ones that matter, so they were kinda right.

The kids? They grew up with the Internet. They are natives to it. They have a certain degree of media awareness baked in. My generation? We started using the Interwebz in our late teens to early 20s. We likewise grew adept at spotting specious bullsh*t. Not 100%, but better than the generation cohort that got the Internets in their 30s and 40s.

Don't get me wrong, media awareness should be a regular course in high school, as much as civics. Just as much as PE  to help kids gain awareness and tools to navigate through life. But the Boomers are all set against print. Against slow creep, but the velocity of the media environment is designed to short circuit consideration. It follows multiple avenues. A variety of "sources" that are all part of the same campaign. It is designed to take those already vulnerable to manipulation, and twist their decision trees all into knots. Age isn't always a consideration, but degree of social engagement and more importantly, variety in social engagement gives a better view of the media landscape. It's not about being woke, it's about keeping an open mind. A lot of Boomers were good with their views twenty years ago, and they often lack the awareness to understand how they've changed. They're the same. They have to be. It's just that world around them that's gotten all out of whack. And preying on fears and anxiety is what media is good at. For the kids as well as us old duffers. But the kids at least have experience in spotting the obvious bullsh*t, and that native awareness gives them at least some defense.


You should checkout "LikeWar: The Weaponization of Social media" by PW Singer and ET Brooking if you haven't already. Books like that should be mandatory reading in any media awareness discussion. We are not built for this environment.
 
2020-11-26 9:25:22 AM  

grokca: Boomer here, I regularly debunk memes on FaceBook. Always end with "please do a little bit of research before you post things."
Does seem to help sometimes.
People seem to stop posting things if they get embarrassed.


"BUT I RESEARCHED IT ON OANN, NEWSMAX, AND INFOWARS!!!
WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!!!!"
 
2020-11-26 9:30:27 AM  
I feel a strong sense of sympathy for young people today because some day they may grow old and it isn't going to be very good for them because the young people 30 years from now will give them NOTHING. When you are young, you think you will never make it to be old anyway so fark the world and society.
 
2020-11-26 9:30:35 AM  
I disagree that the medium is more important than the content. When you watch shiat it doesnt matter whether you do it on TV, on the web (reinforced by peers) or read it in a book.
And the quality mark transfers from one medium to another. I know what I am getting when I read a NYT article online or on paper. I also know when the "logo isn't right" online or on paper.

The second topic I am concerned about is: when will I be unable to discern the wheat from the chaff?
 
2020-11-26 9:31:11 AM  
I am a caregiver to my Boomer dad with dementia. Ironically, he hates Trump but looooves all the scam charities. I suppose there's still time for Trump to win him over with a "Feed My Starving Slumlords" pitch over the phone or in an ad in Smithsonian magazine.
 
2020-11-26 9:34:27 AM  
Really? I kind of noticed the opposite.

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2020-11-26 9:38:11 AM  
I have to go to work. Take this

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NARCISSISM!!! Narcissism, narcissism! Take another selfie! Have your nails done again! Become an influencer!!!!
 
2020-11-26 9:41:26 AM  
Things I learned from a boomer yesterday:

1. When buying ammo in California, you need to pay $200 extra per box because of new rules.  Reality, its $1 per purchase for a background check.
2. Hotshot drivers in California are all now forced to work through one single company because a US Senator owns the company and changed the State law in Cali.
3. About 30 years ago, a tractor trailer full of cattle fell off an elevated section of Interstate, about 30 or 40 foot in the air.  All the cows survived and the poor folks in that part of town all rode off on the cows to eat them.
4. Joe Biden will outlaw all guns on the day he takes office.
5. Joe Biden will order a full nationwide lock down for at least 3 months the day he takes office.  People will be arrested for being in their yard.
6. Miami will be the first to vaccinate everyone because they gave Joe Biden more money, won a lottery or something.  I'm not sure I 100% followed that one.

Some more that I don't recall I'm sure.
 
2020-11-26 9:41:29 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: I get a kick out of watching people struggle remembering their phone number or thinking they are knowledgeable because they can weakly search the system of tubes instead of the dump truck.


Speaking as a centenarian, I get a kick out of most of your spoiled generation having no idea how to operate a steam engine or spin flax.
 
2020-11-26 9:41:45 AM  
Mom is of the greatest generation, she'll be 100 next july, so that makes me a boomer, whatever. Waaay back when i was 18 and headed to college i asked for a computer, a big bad 286. The reply was "what for, all youll do is play games on it, you already have a typewriter"... i still rib her about that one. She could use her computer pretty well up til she couldnt see the screen. Today im going to attempt to tie her computer into her billboard sized tv so she can see it. Me, i have no cable, the phone and tablet are fine. Streaming gives all the tv we need, printing is wireless. Never thought id see the day that a home computer would be obsolete, but here we are...
 
2020-11-26 9:42:05 AM  

jso2897: Oh good, a "generation" clickbait thread.
We haven't had one of those in hours, and I was starting to worry.


Now, that's just the sort of circular reasoning your generation is prone to.
 
2020-11-26 9:45:06 AM  
Boomers brains turned to mush by the Internet?

Ha!

Drugs and alcohol.
 
2020-11-26 9:46:04 AM  

sinko swimo: giving people a 1 minute attention span


My mom used to say that about Sesame Street when it started. Too loud, too hyper, gets kids all riled up so they won't sit still.
 
2020-11-26 9:47:09 AM  

Laobaojun: grokca: Boomer here, I regularly debunk memes on FaceBook. Always end with "please do a little bit of research before you post things."
Does seem to help sometimes.
People seem to stop posting things if they get embarrassed.

"BUT I RESEARCHED IT ON OANN, NEWSMAX, AND INFOWARS!!!
WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!!!!"


I have friends that cite those very sources.  It's quite disturbing and has only gotten worse this year.
 
2020-11-26 9:55:34 AM  
As opposed to the brilliant Millennials displaying their wit in this thread?

Why don't both groups meet up in thunderdome so that Gen X can stop hearing about this nonsense?
 
2020-11-26 9:56:05 AM  
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