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(Mirror.co.uk)   School tells girls not to wear tight-fitting gym clothes so they don't "distract" teachers. Still no word on how to prevent teachers from being "distracted" by students wearing tight-fitting clothes   (mirror.co.uk) divider line
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2020-11-25 9:58:52 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Stantz: Maybe I'm old (47, so maybe) but I never remember any of the girls I went to school with looking particularly distracting during gym class. But this WAS mid-late 80's, so the hair was probably the bigger distraction

Puberty came late huh?


By the time I started I was in an all-boys grammar school, so contact with girls outside friends & relatives was sketchy at best.
 
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2020-11-25 9:59:26 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Stantz: Maybe I'm old (47, so maybe) but I never remember any of the girls I went to school with looking particularly distracting during gym class. But this WAS mid-late 80's, so the hair was probably the bigger distraction

Puberty came late huh?


You know I had that problem too.  I don't remember any super-sexy girls in my high school (except for one who was a swimmer and you couldn't get around it).  I was way too concerned with studies. Plus I was ugly.
 
2020-11-25 9:59:45 AM  

rewind2846: orbister: rewind2846: Let's try dealing with that first. Teaching people not to eye-rape is better than teaching people how to avoid being eye-raped.

"Eye-rape"? Did you intend to minimise actual rape?

No. Eye-rape is what was happening here, not physical rape. That's what the complaint was about in the story.


"Eye-rape" is not a thing, so it couldn't have happened.
 
2020-11-25 10:02:25 AM  

orbister: "Eye-rape" is not a thing, so it couldn't have happened.


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"all aboard the trolley to the land of make believe!"
 
2020-11-25 10:03:58 AM  

gunga galunga: This thread is useless without pics.

/weird, the guy from Dateline NBC is at my front door for some reason


Stop watching Cuties on repeat.
 
2020-11-25 10:04:06 AM  
Here is the thing.  I don't doubt that some girls at the school were wearing inappropriate outfits.  High schoolers love to push boundaries.  But there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with that and this school took the decidedly wrong way.

First you make it a rule that no one can wear skin tight clothes and you do not mention gender.  Sure, they didn't see an issue with what the guys were wearing, but there is no reason to make this rule gender specific, no one wants to see a banana hammock either.

Second, don't mention "distracting the teachers".  That makes your teachers look like a bunch of weirdos perking out on teenage girls.  You can say that skin tight clothing is inappropriate without bringing up anything sexual.

Third, you need to have a discussion with whichever male gym teacher brought this clothing up as distracting about why exactly they are looking at the students that way.  After that you need to monitor them closely.
 
2020-11-25 10:05:27 AM  

rewind2846: Why are teachers staring at 12-18 year old girls?
Let's try dealing with that first. Teaching people not to eye-rape is better than teaching people how to avoid being eye-raped.


Why? A hundred million years of evolution. Females of peak fertility (who would have been married off a hundred years ago) are going to get noticed biologically. Now the staff should be trained to maintain the highest level of professionalism, but they aren't robots.
 
2020-11-25 10:05:29 AM  

IndyJohn: NM Volunteer: namegoeshere: Hire less pervy teachers.

Yep.  I've been in high schools for museum and Kiwanis reasons, and I have thus interacted with high school students.  They look like children.  Even when they change out of their school clothes and go to Walmart in more revealing clothes, they just look like children wearing revealing clothes.  Maybe Hollywood has screwed up people's expectations by Dawson Casting people in their late 20s as high school students.  But it sounds like people need to stop being attracted to children.

Seriously?

High school is a a crazy mix.  There are students who look like kids and there are students-male and female-that absolutely do NOT look like kids.  Hell, there was a friend of mine who had a receding hairline at 18 who was our go-to for buying beer.


I was in jr. High with an 8th grader who had a full beard, of lumber-sexual proportions.
 
2020-11-25 10:05:31 AM  

sorceror: starsrift: Yes, but why are these kids wearing "skin-tight" clothing, too? Take teachers out of the mix; just the student's counterparts could be discomfited. Let's stop pretending that sartorial display isn't part of sexuality, and instead consider that as one goes through puberty, it is an education that should be received, but also appropriately taught to the degree of the societal norm, whatever that may be.

As "one goes through puberty", the "student's counterparts" need to learn to relate to others with respect and consideration - even if they happen to be horny. That's a critical life skill; just ask Jeffrey Toobin. And there's already school dress codes, that are already more strict for females than males. Tackling things from the other end is at least as necessary.


How are the dress codes more strict for females?  Are they allowing boys to wear daisy dukes and expose their midriffs but not girls?  Are they allowing boys to wear skirts above their knees but not girls?
 
2020-11-25 10:06:42 AM  

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I need to call Chris Hanson on myself now...
 
2020-11-25 10:07:32 AM  

orbister: yes, certainly, but eighteen year olds are more-or-less adults.


probably TMI, but my first serious girlfriend was 16 and I was 18. We met not long after she turned 16 and we were pretty into each other, if you get my meaning, and many a time I'd pick her up from school in her lunch break and spend a happy hour together, before dropping her off for the afternoon. Her school-friends knew, and we're sure the teachers had their suspicions as well, but we were all legal so there wasn't a lot they could do about it.

The school cleaners weren't that happy either, but that's probably too much of an overshare.

/Young, dumb and... No, that'll do.
 
2020-11-25 10:08:34 AM  

madgonad: Now the staff should be trained to maintain the highest level of professionalism, but they aren't robots.


If they "maintained the highest levels of professionalism" they wouldn't be whining about what these girls were wearing. They would just do their jobs.
 
2020-11-25 10:09:41 AM  
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2020-11-25 10:11:04 AM  

PaceyWhitter: Here is the thing.  I don't doubt that some girls at the school were wearing inappropriate outfits.  High schoolers love to push boundaries.  But there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with that and this school took the decidedly wrong way.

First you make it a rule that no one can wear skin tight clothes and you do not mention gender.  Sure, they didn't see an issue with what the guys were wearing, but there is no reason to make this rule gender specific, no one wants to see a banana hammock either.

Second, don't mention "distracting the teachers".  That makes your teachers look like a bunch of weirdos perking out on teenage girls.  You can say that skin tight clothing is inappropriate without bringing up anything sexual.

Third, you need to have a discussion with whichever male gym teacher brought this clothing up as distracting about why exactly they are looking at the students that way.  After that you need to monitor them closely.


I was with you up until the last paragraph.  You don't need to "have a discussion" with and "monitor" a male teacher who points out that a student was wearing something inappropriate.  Are only female staff allowed to enforce the dress code?
 
2020-11-25 10:12:03 AM  
My daughter is a curvy girl. She would constantly get in trouble for wearing the exact same outfit as her non-curvy friends. And not like "oh on them it's loose but on her it's tight" situations. We kept getting called into the office and we would mumble something and we'd go on about our day. Until one of the teachers, who really liked my daughter (not that way, pervs!) told us that she was just trying to protect our daughter. "From what?" wife asked archly. "Well, from...the...boys..."

To which my wife stood up and said "then get those boys in here and have them disciplined. Stop blaming our daughter for their bad behavior!" and she walked out. I...uh...sheepishly stood and sidled out after her.

We didn't get any more calls.

/my daughter eats boys for breakfast
//she is bisexual, so she also...
///third slashie wears shoe mirrors
 
2020-11-25 10:13:08 AM  

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2020-11-25 10:13:59 AM  

IndyJohn: How are the dress codes more strict for females?  Are they allowing boys to wear daisy dukes and expose their midriffs but not girls?  Are they allowing boys to wear skirts above their knees but not girls?


https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-ch​a​nge/new-from-nea/when-school-dress-cod​es-discriminate
 
2020-11-25 10:15:59 AM  
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It's perfectly logical that they shouldn't wear leggings to pe. They have to pull them down first.
 
2020-11-25 10:16:24 AM  
I'm a former university instructor. During my time in that role I taught about 10,000 students, about 55% of whom were women. Many of those women wore tight, sometimes revealing clothing. Regardless of how attractive I found any of those women, I was expected to maintain self control. Even in cases where offers of sex were made (which did occasionally happen) I was expected to behave appropriately. If I was to have ever crossed the line, excuses like "she came on to me", or "her cloths were too tight" would never have been accepted as mitigating the situation in any way. And in my case I was dealing with adults.

The same should apply at Carlow. If a male teacher is distracted by a female student's outfit, the male teacher is the problem, not the student or outfit. This is particularly important considering the girls involved are all 18 and under.
 
2020-11-25 10:16:47 AM  

Lambskincoat: What that notice sounds like to the students: The male teachers are very horny for young girls, please give their boners a break, and dress like nuns for a bit. Thanks, the staff


No need for simile, that's exactly what the notice is.
 
2020-11-25 10:17:03 AM  

Stantz: Maybe I'm old (47, so maybe) but I never remember any of the girls I went to school with looking particularly distracting during gym class. But this WAS mid-late 80's, so the hair was probably the bigger distraction


Kimberly, in the black, pink, and checkerboard spandex biker shorts, circa 1992. It's a wonder I passed that gym class.

/Was too much of a dork in HS
 
2020-11-25 10:17:48 AM  

steklo: Stantz: Maybe I'm old (47, so maybe) but I never remember any of the girls I went to school with looking particularly distracting during gym class. But this WAS mid-late 80's, so the hair was probably the bigger distraction

You never met Allison from the 7th grade. (1980 or so) Way back when, the school made the girls wear these really really tight yellow shirts...I mean really tight...


Taking a wild guess, but ... Allison couldn't touch her elbows together, could she?
 
2020-11-25 10:18:13 AM  

rewind2846: madgonad: Now the staff should be trained to maintain the highest level of professionalism, but they aren't robots.

If they "maintained the highest levels of professionalism" they wouldn't be whining about what these girls were wearing. They would just do their jobs.


To quote Sir Launcelot, the complaining teachers recognize that there is too much peril and that Sir Percival is likely to get in over his head if he is allowed to stay in such an environment.
 
2020-11-25 10:20:09 AM  
I'm sorry- did you say something?  I'm a bit distracted.

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2020-11-25 10:20:23 AM  
Heh, when $daughter[0] started high school I was slightly amused to find that everyone was issued clothing for gym classes. It was a reasonably baggy t-shirt and generously cut '70s-style classic gym shorts.

I guess that's one way to prevent any leering but I'm not sure who needed to be protected. There were a couple of gym teachers but the kids always seemed to end up with the short-haired woman who just happened to be in a relationship with another woman.
 
2020-11-25 10:22:16 AM  

orbister: rewind2846: orbister: rewind2846: Let's try dealing with that first. Teaching people not to eye-rape is better than teaching people how to avoid being eye-raped.

"Eye-rape"? Did you intend to minimise actual rape?

No. Eye-rape is what was happening here, not physical rape. That's what the complaint was about in the story.

"Eye-rape" is not a thing, so it couldn't have happened.


Little early for that incel shat, isn't it?
 
2020-11-25 10:24:29 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: The age of consent in the UK is 16, so we're definitely treading on a moral -- but probably not legal -- gray area.

In the history of humanity, there is nothing really against 15-18 year olds getting involved in adult relationships, at least not until the laws of the 20th century told us they couldn't. But the bigger, more universal, issue here is the balance of power in the relationship between teacher and student.

/surprised at the sudden prudishness in this thread
//maybe just jelly I got no attention in HS


What's the UK got to do with this?
 
2020-11-25 10:24:53 AM  

Ghost Roach: Taking a wild guess, but ... Allison couldn't touch her elbows together, could she?


heh-heh....I see what you did there!

No, she was not a pole vaulter...she was actually a very nice girl. We dated for a week. I carried her books while in school and took her to Burger King once. After a trip to my favorite record store, she realized I was a musical geek/nerd and wanted nothing to do with me after that visit to the record store.

"music? what's so important about listening to music?"

her loss. Not mine.

she did leave her phone number after signing my yearbook....

"hey stek, call me over the summer"

So confused...
 
2020-11-25 10:25:27 AM  

inglixthemad: steklo: Stantz: Maybe I'm old (47, so maybe) but I never remember any of the girls I went to school with looking particularly distracting during gym class. But this WAS mid-late 80's, so the hair was probably the bigger distraction

You never met Allison from the 7th grade. (1980 or so) Way back when, the school made the girls wear these really really tight yellow shirts...I mean really tight...

My middle daughter had a friend that went from flat to, ahem, "blessed" over a summer. She was actually pretty embarrassed about it. I mean going from most of the teen boys ignoring her ~100lbs with "mosquito bites" body to staring at her ~115lbs with DD's body was quite a shock for a 15yo. The ultimate laugh was my daughter getting pissed off when she walked in on that friend having naked sexy time. Freaked the heck out, and made us sit her down for a bit of a chat. "Yes, we know it's not ideal your friend decided jumping in bed with your brother would be fun but we can't make him not date her or vice versa." Funny thing being the reason she jumped him, apparently, was because he didn't turn into a gibbering idiot when she suddenly grew boobs.


That is a wise young man
 
2020-11-25 10:26:56 AM  
sad how many people forget that a persons sex drive is a perfectly natural normal thing. many young women are at their prime in their teenage years; their bodies are near perfection and they ooze testosterone. you don't have to be a pervert to notice this. you just need to have eyes. women are masters of "look at what you can't have"; they enjoy it and they deny it. many school teachers are not all that older than the students they are teaching. why do you think so many female school teachers wind up being arrested for farking a student or two? be realistic. hot jailbait ass is the best there is. worth going to prison for, i'm sure. you dress like a fire fighter, you get treated like a fire fighter.
 
2020-11-25 10:26:58 AM  

Whatthefark: Oops, wrong thread.


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2020-11-25 10:27:08 AM  

rewind2846: Why are teachers staring at 12-18 year old girls?
Let's try dealing with that first. Teaching people not to eye-rape is better than teaching people how to avoid being eye-raped.


You do realize that teachers are paid to supervise students, which requires looking at them occasionally? Some of the cheaper leggings sold these days are virtually transparent and reveal every contour of what is vulgarly known as "camel toe". Will the boys be allowed to wear sheer leggings with a spandex pouch for their twig and berries to dangle in? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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2020-11-25 10:28:05 AM  

EvilEgg: Girls, it's your right to dress anyway you like, you just can't control who's attention you attract.

Should the men and boys leer?  Probably not, but they do have the right to. They don't have the right to anything past that.  Not your attention, not your smile, or even not being glared at.


If a teacher is leering at a 12 year old, then yeah he's got a farking problem and shouldn't be anywhere near kids.
 
2020-11-25 10:29:39 AM  

sinko swimo: sad how many people forget that a persons sex drive is a perfectly natural normal thing. many young women are at their prime in their teenage years; their bodies are near perfection and they ooze testosterone. you don't have to be a pervert to notice this. you just need to have eyes. women are masters of "look at what you can't have"; they enjoy it and they deny it. many school teachers are not all that older than the students they are teaching. why do you think so many female school teachers wind up being arrested for farking a student or two? be realistic. hot jailbait ass is the best there is. worth going to prison for, i'm sure. you dress like a fire fighter, you get treated like a fire fighter.


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2020-11-25 10:30:17 AM  
If you dress like a prostitute people expect you to live up to the job.
 
2020-11-25 10:31:40 AM  

NuclearPenguins: sinko swimo: sad how many people forget that a persons sex drive is a perfectly natural normal thing. many young women are at their prime in their teenage years; their bodies are near perfection and they ooze testosterone. you don't have to be a pervert to notice this. you just need to have eyes. women are masters of "look at what you can't have"; they enjoy it and they deny it. many school teachers are not all that older than the students they are teaching. why do you think so many female school teachers wind up being arrested for farking a student or two? be realistic. hot jailbait ass is the best there is. worth going to prison for, i'm sure. you dress like a fire fighter, you get treated like a fire fighter.

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Also, enjoy the farkies you're about to receive for that creeptastic post.
 
2020-11-25 10:32:39 AM  

Unoriginal_Username: If a teacher is leering at a 12 year old, then yeah he's got a farking problem and shouldn't be anywhere near kids.


The issue isn't that leering was happening, it's that leering may happen in the near future. No-one is being accused of leering, but someone who isn't leering at the girls at all is painting every adult male at the school with the 'might leer' brush.

THAT'S the person they should be taking a closer look at
 
2020-11-25 10:33:31 AM  

crustysandman: Blind the ones who are distracted by the children in tight clothes.


I take it you're not a fan of high school cheerleader car washes for fundraising?
 
2020-11-25 10:34:36 AM  

Stantz: Maybe I'm old (47, so maybe) but I never remember any of the girls I went to school with looking particularly distracting during gym class. But this WAS mid-late 80's, so the hair was probably the bigger distraction


When I was in 6-8th grade, late 80s, there was one girl who was extremely well developed.

A distraction for all the guys in class, probably a few girls. But teachers didn't day anything.
 
2020-11-25 10:35:10 AM  

Psychopompous: You do realize that teachers are paid to supervise students, which requires looking at them occasionally?


Of course. The issue here is the teachers and staff b*tching about what the girls are wearing when it still meets school dress codes because it makes THEM uncomfortable. That is their problem, not the girls.
 
2020-11-25 10:35:31 AM  

Stantz: Maybe I'm old (47, so maybe) but I never remember any of the girls I went to school with looking particularly distracting during gym class. But this WAS mid-late 80's, so the hair was probably the bigger distraction


You know how I know you're gay?
 
2020-11-25 10:35:34 AM  

madgonad: rewind2846: Why are teachers staring at 12-18 year old girls?
Let's try dealing with that first. Teaching people not to eye-rape is better than teaching people how to avoid being eye-raped.

Why? A hundred million years of evolution. Females of peak fertility (who would have been married off a hundred years ago) are going to get noticed biologically. Now the staff should be trained to maintain the highest level of professionalism, but they aren't robots.



"noticing" is a tricky word here.  There is a lot of room in between 'I can mentally acknowledge or notice that someone is attractive and then drop it' and 'oh yeah baby I'd like to do her'.

I filmed weddings for 10 years.  Was in the dressing room with the women getting ready.  Its actually not that much work to stay on the side of the line that isn't creeping.  It was also my experience that the women noticed, too.
 
2020-11-25 10:37:17 AM  

sorceror: IndyJohn: How are the dress codes more strict for females?  Are they allowing boys to wear daisy dukes and expose their midriffs but not girls?  Are they allowing boys to wear skirts above their knees but not girls?

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-cha​nge/new-from-nea/when-school-dress-cod​es-discriminate


Read the article

There are some dress codes that specifically target gender - but many do not

One example from that article was that a girl was required to put tape over the holes in her pants.  Unless they are allowing guys to wear jeans with holes, that's not discrimination.

Similarly, a rule about yoga pants is not discrimination unless it's applied differently based on gender.

As long as the dress code applies to everyone, it's not discrimination just because one gender or another tends to run afoul of a particular provision.  A rule against underwear above your waistband isn't discrimination against males just because it's fashionable for guys to sag.
 
2020-11-25 10:37:53 AM  
This thread is a train wreck and I love it.
 
2020-11-25 10:38:48 AM  
Oh all the pictures

You guys arent helping at all
 
2020-11-25 10:39:41 AM  
Man I was cheated out of this back in highschool. They wore sweatpants or baggy shorts. Those tight almost see through leggings women wear as normal everyday pants didn't exist. Also baggy jeans were in. There were like 4 hot girls in my grade anyway.  Maybe 20 in the school tops. Don't grow up in a small town.
 
2020-11-25 10:39:58 AM  

NateAsbestos: This thread is a train wreck and I love it.


Just what I expected it to be.
 
2020-11-25 10:44:23 AM  

sinko swimo: sad how many people forget that a persons sex drive is a perfectly natural normal thing. many young women are at their prime in their teenage years; their bodies are near perfection and they ooze testosterone. you don't have to be a pervert to notice this.


Pervert? No, but there's a huge difference between noticing something and allowing it to distract you. Self control is a thing.

you just need to have eyes. women are masters of "look at what you can't have"; they enjoy it and they deny it. many school teachers are not all that older than the students they are teaching.

So?

why do you think so many female school teachers wind up being arrested for farking a student or two?

Because making excuses and blaming others for your failings isn't a trait exclusive to males?

be realistic. hot jailbait ass is the best there is. worth going to prison for, i'm sure.

Well, if you won't learn self control perhaps prison is the best place for you. Funny enough while there you'll likely run into other prisoners who also aren't' good at self control. If you're lucky they may take a liking to you and you'll have a first hand opportunity to see the behavior you are justifying from a different perspective. It will be a painful and traumatic lesson, but based on your comment, one that you apparently need so you can fully appreciate how stupid your perspective is.

you dress like a fire fighter, you get treated like a fire fighter.
 
2020-11-25 10:45:37 AM  

madgonad: rewind2846: Why are teachers staring at 12-18 year old girls?
Let's try dealing with that first. Teaching people not to eye-rape is better than teaching people how to avoid being eye-raped.

Why? A hundred million years of evolution. Females of peak fertility (who would have been married off a hundred years ago) are going to get noticed biologically. Now the staff should be trained to maintain the highest level of professionalism, but they aren't robots.


Exactly correct.
 
2020-11-25 10:46:42 AM  

Tyrosine: sinko swimo: sad how many people forget that a persons sex drive is a perfectly natural normal thing. many young women are at their prime in their teenage years; their bodies are near perfection and they ooze testosterone. you don't have to be a pervert to notice this.

Pervert? No, but there's a huge difference between noticing something and allowing it to distract you. Self control is a thing.

you just need to have eyes. women are masters of "look at what you can't have"; they enjoy it and they deny it. many school teachers are not all that older than the students they are teaching.

So?

why do you think so many female school teachers wind up being arrested for farking a student or two?

Because making excuses and blaming others for your failings isn't a trait exclusive to males?

be realistic. hot jailbait ass is the best there is. worth going to prison for, i'm sure.

Well, if you won't learn self control perhaps prison is the best place for you. Funny enough while there you'll likely run into other prisoners who also aren't' good at self control. If you're lucky they may take a liking to you and you'll have a first hand opportunity to see the behavior you are justifying from a different perspective. It will be a painful and traumatic lesson, but based on your comment, one that you apparently need so you can fully appreciate how stupid your perspective is.

you dress like a fire fighter, you get treated like a fire fighter.


That is the kind of comment that warrants rolling up a new alt. There's no getting the stench of "hot jailbait ass" off of that account now.
 
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