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(NPR)   Biden: Gosh, Bernie, you know I'd totes love to appoint you to a high-level post in my administration but gosh darn it, you're just so valuable in the Senate and I don't know that I can imagine that place without you   (npr.org) divider line
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2020-11-25 8:37:19 AM  
What position would you give Bernie?  Labor?
 
2020-11-25 8:37:46 AM  
Or, you know, we can appoint them both and totally trust 2 GOP Governors to not appoint Republican replacements for them.
 
2020-11-25 8:44:57 AM  
Unfortunately this is true. Same comment for Katie Porter, who needs to hold on to her House seat, no matter how much I want her in the Senate.
 
2020-11-25 8:45:32 AM  
Bernie's not a Democrat.

And a used ash tray would be a big step up over anything Trump touched.
 
2020-11-25 8:47:18 AM  
As much as I wish it wasn't true with no landslide this is the right thing to do. Do the improbable Flip the senate and we'll talk about strategies in the cards.
 
2020-11-25 9:01:09 AM  
There's been this annoying trend in news media over the last few months about Dems having cracks in the armor because people like Bernie and AOC have been speaking out against Biden's proposed policies. The way it typically gets framed is that party unity is in jeopardy because the Dems are not falling behind Biden in lockstep.

You know what? fark that. The GOP almost universally pledged fealty to Trump at every God damned turn and look where it got this country. If people had the farking balls in his own party to vote against Trump's policies and nominees when they clearly were in opposition to America's best interests, that could have tamped down on some of the most horrific shiat we saw over the last four years.

The Dems should not follow suit. It is a good thing that there are people in the Democratic Party who will speak out and even vote against Biden's policies and nominees. Maybe we can actually go back to having adult conversations about political issues instead of letting the President do whatever the fark he wants to do.
 
2020-11-25 9:05:14 AM  

TommyDeuce: Or, you know, we can appoint them both and totally trust 2 GOP Governors to not appoint Republican replacements for them.


I'm sorry but that kind of fact based narrative you're pushing just won't be acceptable.

But maybe Bernie could point to some deserving people in his own wing of the party that would make excellent choices....oh. You're telling me he's never bothered to do any of that stuff? Well then
 
2020-11-25 9:10:22 AM  
I like AOC, Bernie is a crazy old man.
 
2020-11-25 9:12:27 AM  
DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!

 
2020-11-25 9:19:40 AM  
Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.
 
2020-11-25 9:22:40 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Bernie's not a Democrat.

And a used ash tray would be a big step up over anything Trump touched.


You had John Kasich as keynote speaker at the Dem convention and Bloomberg as a fake Democrat spoiler.

"Not a Democrat" is laughable reasoning. It always was.
 
2020-11-25 9:23:14 AM  
It's the truth though. Whether or not joe would have picked them up otherwise he can't afford to pull people out of the Senate in this reality.
 
2020-11-25 9:23:55 AM  

Jake Havechek: I like AOC, Bernie is a crazy old man.


Honestly, yeah.  Don't get me wrong, he's got a few good ideas, and I'd probably vote for him over most anyone that the gop will put on the ticket.

But if I saw him on a street corner...?
 
2020-11-25 9:24:23 AM  
So the Governors of Kansas, Louisiana, and Kentucky are Democrats? And the Governors of Massachusetts, Vermont, and Maryland are Republican?

ronburgandyimtakingcrazypills.jpg
 
2020-11-25 9:24:35 AM  
Has Sanders ever demonstrated any ability in executive management, at all?
 
2020-11-25 9:24:36 AM  
And once again, the GOP is driving the Dem narrative through puppets and propaganda
 
2020-11-25 9:25:08 AM  
What? Negative selection in political appointments... even on a democrat ticket? Shocking.
 
2020-11-25 9:25:21 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.


The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.
 
2020-11-25 9:25:39 AM  

Outshined_One: There's been this annoying trend in news media over the last few months about Dems having cracks in the armor because people like Bernie and AOC have been speaking out against Biden's proposed policies. The way it typically gets framed is that party unity is in jeopardy because the Dems are not falling behind Biden in lockstep.

You know what? fark that. The GOP almost universally pledged fealty to Trump at every God damned turn and look where it got this country. If people had the farking balls in his own party to vote against Trump's policies and nominees when they clearly were in opposition to America's best interests, that could have tamped down on some of the most horrific shiat we saw over the last four years.

The Dems should not follow suit. It is a good thing that there are people in the Democratic Party who will speak out and even vote against Biden's policies and nominees. Maybe we can actually go back to having adult conversations about political issues instead of letting the President do whatever the fark he wants to do.


Careful, now.  We want independence among our fellow Democrats, but we also don't want more Lieberman's or Manchin's.
 
2020-11-25 9:26:11 AM  

Jake Havechek: I like AOC, Bernie is a crazy old man.


They espouse the same ideas. You just don't like Bernie because reasons.
 
2020-11-25 9:26:15 AM  

TommyDeuce: Or, you know, we can appoint them both and totally trust 2 GOP Governors to not appoint Republican replacements for them.


Oh, noes! Then the Democratic Senate minority would be even greater a Democratic Senate minority!

/Ossoff's losing, and we all know it.
/Warnock might win; might win.
/Knew the moment Sanders conceded that Biden will f*ck progressives over on day one
 
2020-11-25 9:26:25 AM  
Vermont and Massachusetts both have Republican governors, so logically Biden protecting Bernie and Warren's senate seats by not appointing them means he is an evil centrist collaborating with Republicans.

/don't ask me how this works, I'm just parroting Jacobin
 
2020-11-25 9:26:54 AM  

FrancoFile: Has Sanders ever demonstrated any ability in executive management, at all?


Gatekeeping, goalpost-moving.
 
2020-11-25 9:27:13 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.

The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.


So you'd give Bernie that post and let Republicans have another Senator?
 
2020-11-25 9:27:33 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Bernie's not a Democrat.

And a used ash tray would be a big step up over anything Trump touched.


If Obama could appoint Republicans to cabinet positions, Biden can appoint independents who caucus with the Dems.

But the point of the article is correct. Right now, with a thin but real chance of controlling the Senate, you cannot risk the governors of either MA or VT stabbing you in the back. Warren and Biden are off limits until the Senate is actually lost - and the MA governor is a Rethuglican.
 
2020-11-25 9:27:55 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.

The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.


The easy answer is it will hand a seat to Republicans.

So of course Bernie and his supporters ignores that. He should be given his vanity job regardless of what harm it does to the party.

Yeah, that's textbook Bernie.
 
2020-11-25 9:27:57 AM  
Nope. Not with control of the Senate in play.

Sorry Bernie. Your GOP governor doesn't get to tilt the balance even further.
 
2020-11-25 9:28:04 AM  
The problem with politics, generally, is that everyone is so overly concerned about their own personal ascension that they fail to truly grasp that its not about them-- its about the majority. Its foolhardy to try and grab cabinet posts if the spot you are in is vulnerable to a flip. Liz and Bernie both know this, however. The problem lies mostly with House reps in the US. Dont jump ship unless you can keep your old seat safe. Play the long game. Playing the short game is what has been farking up America since WWII
 
2020-11-25 9:28:18 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Jake Havechek: I like AOC, Bernie is a crazy old man.

They espouse the same ideas. You just don't like Bernie because reasons.


Because he's a loon, and he caucuses with the Democrats when it suits him, not for altruistic reasons.
 
2020-11-25 9:28:18 AM  

EyeballKid: TommyDeuce: Or, you know, we can appoint them both and totally trust 2 GOP Governors to not appoint Republican replacements for them.

Oh, noes! Then the Democratic Senate minority would be even greater a Democratic Senate minority!

/Ossoff's losing, and we all know it.
/Warnock might win; might win.
/Knew the moment Sanders conceded that Biden will f*ck progressives over on day one


Okay, now we know theys trollin'. No need to pay attention guys!
 
2020-11-25 9:28:58 AM  
How I would characterize Biden's picks so far is that he's chosen a bunch of quiet, well-respected experts. Not so much the personalities, not so much the campaigners or public spearheads.
 
2020-11-25 9:28:59 AM  
In the moderate mind ,progressives only get voted into office from heavily democratic areas completely safe from Republicans but can't be placed into other positions of power because of what Republicans might do with that seat.
 
2020-11-25 9:29:06 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.

The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.


That Twitter post about the only way to make Democrats oppose Trump's Supreme Court nominee would be to select Bernie Sanders was spot on.

They will never forgive him for Hillary Clinton's, and now Joe Biden's, electoral failures.
 
2020-11-25 9:29:09 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.

The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.


You do understand plain English, right?  If so, you would understand why Bernie has to stay right where he is.  If you don't understand that maybe you should take some remedial classes on how our government works.

Of just go fark off.  Either way, doesn't matter to me.
 
2020-11-25 9:29:11 AM  

Rapmaster2000: What position would you give Bernie?  Labor?


Yes, that's correct.

mathamagical: It's the truth though. Whether or not joe would have picked them up otherwise he can't afford to pull people out of the Senate in this reality.


It isn't the truth if you look into the issue.  He would be replaced by someone caucusing with the dems.
 
2020-11-25 9:29:14 AM  

TommyDeuce: Or, you know, we can appoint them both and totally trust 2 GOP Governors to not appoint Republican replacements for them.


Pretty much best case scenario they would be replaced with weak dems their governors and oils see as beatable. Especially if we win the GA runoffs they would be replaced by Rs because balance of the senate.
 
2020-11-25 9:29:22 AM  

EyeballKid: TommyDeuce: Or, you know, we can appoint them both and totally trust 2 GOP Governors to not appoint Republican replacements for them.

Oh, noes! Then the Democratic Senate minority would be even greater a Democratic Senate minority!

/Ossoff's losing, and we all know it.
/Warnock might win; might win.
/Knew the moment Sanders conceded that Biden will f*ck progressives over on day one


He didn't concede until he was mathematically beaten.

And why's he entitled to this job?
 
2020-11-25 9:29:50 AM  
*shrug* He's right...

Even if they manage to flip the Senate, they're going to need every vote they can get there.

I don't have any illusions about what Biden is... a return to the neo-liberal status quote. He's not going to be ushering in the era of workers' councils controlling the means of production and the distribution of wealth based on community needs over profit for a power elite.
 
2020-11-25 9:29:57 AM  
I would love it if both Sanders and Warren got cabinet positions, but Republican governors so that's just the way the ball bounces.
 
2020-11-25 9:30:01 AM  
Also I'm going to point out that Bernie isn't the problem. It's the Republicans pretending to be Bernie fans who are the problem
 
2020-11-25 9:30:29 AM  
* status quo*
 
2020-11-25 9:31:09 AM  

mathamagical: It's the truth though. Whether or not joe would have picked them up otherwise he can't afford to pull people out of the Senate in this reality.


He can they just have to come from a state with a dem Governor. Which limits the piles by a large amount.
 
2020-11-25 9:31:23 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.

The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.


Bernie is Republican nightmare fuel. Where he goes, the country goes with him, eventually.

They would never confirm him or any of the squad to be appointed so it's all moot. However, progressives are absolutely right on  trying to resist ass holes that think austerity and spending cuts are viable ways out of the depression. Or trying to push for a domestic office of environmental impact.
 
2020-11-25 9:31:58 AM  

Sophont: bluejeansonfire: Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.

The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.

That Twitter post about the only way to make Democrats oppose Trump's Supreme Court nominee would be to select Bernie Sanders was spot on.

They will never forgive him for Hillary Clinton's, and now Joe Biden's, electoral failures.


Ummmmmmm
I think we see the disconnect here
 
2020-11-25 9:32:42 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: bluejeansonfire: Cubansaltyballs: Here's a question... would Bernie have appointed Joe Biden for any position? Of course he wouldn't.

And I'm sure it would it still be no if it meant handing over a seat to Republicans.

The difference is that Bernie Sanders is perfect for a Secretary of Labor position because he has been the most dependable advocate for workers' rights in the country.

To not tap him for a post that would vastly benefit the country is petty and vengeful. But what else is new.

Bernie is Republican nightmare fuel. Where he goes, the country goes with him, eventually.


Well, except for losing to Hillary and then losing even worse to Joe Biden. But yeah, sure
 
2020-11-25 9:32:56 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: And why's he entitled to this job?


I'm just warning you now, don't be surprised when the voter base the president-elect does nothing for returns the favor come the mid-terms.

/I'm kidding, of course. Brunch Democrats will always blame progressives for their own failures!
 
2020-11-25 9:33:11 AM  
This is a mistake. This is a huge mistake that will lead to workers' rights, living wages, and unions still being festering issues for years to come.

Biden continues to be exactly the Republican Lite "let's let Republicans get away with things so that our country can heal, but let's not listen to any progressives because fark 'em" dinosaur he always was and always will be.

Catastrophic Mistake #2. #1 was not explicitly saying he's going to nail Trump to the wall.

Goddammit so much. This is why Biden was my last pick. There's nothing good about him. He's just "not Trump." Any bog-standard appointment he makes is just going to SEEM lovely by comparison to Trump just because he's not straight-up appointing Nazis and robber barons to cabinet positions.
 
2020-11-25 9:33:22 AM  
Because Governors of MA and VT are Republican?
 
2020-11-25 9:33:23 AM  
Warren is usually saddled with that excuse. I think it's up to Bernie to buck Biden with a means tested mechanism devoid of the qualifier of social justice-- or at least a presentation that is undeniable and dynamically infographic in character to make the case to rein in the upper quintile to a level they've survived before.

The current levels of relative wealth are like some envelope Chuck Yeager pushed out chasing that demon in the sky. Robert Reich's not dead for crying out loud. He consults. I want to seem him and Peter Dinklage come into a joint session with whips and chairs and a large cage some setting member is going into if they break across an aisle.
 
2020-11-25 9:33:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Bernie's not a Democrat.

And a used ash tray would be a big step up over anything Trump touched.


bErNiEs NoT A dEmoCRaT
 
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