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(WJAC TV Johnstown)   Are you really homeless if crews can remove 5,000 tons of stuff from your "home"?   (wjactv.com) divider line
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2020-11-24 11:39:43 PM  
I guess, once it's gone, yeah, you are.
Unless you have a second home.
 
2020-11-24 11:48:55 PM  
I may have a relative in CA who pays a $1400 a month mortgage on a place not much nicer than that. Apparently it beats paying some redneck $700 a month to park a camper on their "farm" and use the laundry room once a week.
 
2020-11-25 12:05:02 AM  
5,000 tons? The article mentions using 8 30-yard dumpsters. They normally hold up to about 5 tons. Some stuff, like the vehicles, wouldn't go in a dumpster though. So I searched for the average weight of a pickup truck and Google said 3 tons. I'm having trouble figuring out the math behind this.
 
2020-11-25 12:17:37 AM  
Buried in garbage is not a home, unless you're Oscar The Grouch.
 
2020-11-25 12:49:06 AM  
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2020-11-25 12:49:23 AM  
I just did a GIS for "5000 tons".

Here's the first result:

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2020-11-25 2:15:32 AM  
Maybe Sinclair Nation doesn't math too good.

/Sinclair: not even once
 
2020-11-25 5:16:48 AM  
5,000 tons and he built it in about a year? That's about 27,000 pounds per day. That's also about 15-20 times more than an actual house of that size would weigh if the numbers I found are right.

That aside, it's actually pretty impressive. Land in central OR is cheap, someone should crowdfund a couple acres for this guy and let him build the crazy scavenger paradise of his dreams.
 
2020-11-25 7:04:03 AM  
That's a medium sized Frigate, not a home.
 
2020-11-25 7:20:03 AM  

ryebread: 5,000 tons and he built it in about a year? That's about 27,000 pounds per day. That's also about 15-20 times more than an actual house of that size would weigh if the numbers I found are right.

That aside, it's actually pretty impressive. Land in central OR is cheap, someone should crowdfund a couple acres for this guy and let him build the crazy scavenger paradise of his dreams.


I guessing he doesn't do permits or inspections.
 
2020-11-25 8:35:30 AM  

TheOmni: 5,000 tons? The article mentions using 8 30-yard dumpsters. They normally hold up to about 5 tons. Some stuff, like the vehicles, wouldn't go in a dumpster though. So I searched for the average weight of a pickup truck and Google said 3 tons. I'm having trouble figuring out the math behind this.


Do I have to explain "cop math" to you again?
 
2020-11-25 8:39:40 AM  
I love how the problem is that homeless people don't have homes, and the solution is to demolish whatever shelter they can build for themselves out of trash.
 
2020-11-25 8:40:06 AM  

Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 599x449]


Farking dump bee's...
 
2020-11-25 8:40:29 AM  
A semi can hold maybe 30 tons without a permit (total weight 40 tons).

That's over 150 semi trucks full.

When journalism is under fire from many fronts, getting the story correct and not having massive math fails is important.
 
2020-11-25 8:41:08 AM  
If your home can get bulldozed whenever the state finds it then yeah, still homeless.
 
2020-11-25 8:42:54 AM  

gopher321: I just did a GIS for "5000 tons".

Here's the first result:

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Mom joke goes here
 
2020-11-25 8:43:42 AM  
Aren't 30 yard dumpsters a few tons each? 8 * (a few) = 24 to 48 ish. Where...

... Nevermind, I just read the thread. I see I'm not needed here.
 
2020-11-25 8:45:23 AM  
TIL 1 ton = 20 pounds.
 
2020-11-25 8:47:16 AM  
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2020-11-25 8:47:19 AM  
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The market on hording crap is way down, I can give you $5.
 
2020-11-25 8:47:59 AM  
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2020-11-25 8:48:34 AM  
There was a homeless camp near my folks, for the most part they left people alone and did odd jobs to get back on their feet, get drugs or whatever their situation was. IIRC nobody knew there was a camp but heard rumors of one. But this one idiot that lived there was a thief and broke into peoples homes and stole stuff, the cops find him and he flees an put up a hell of a chase and goes right to the camp, lead the cops right to it and got everyone tossed out.
 
2020-11-25 8:48:43 AM  
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2020-11-25 8:49:27 AM  
shiat, we'd hire him. He's inventive and practical and knows how to use power tools. That's more than I can say about most of my coworkers.
 
2020-11-25 8:49:36 AM  
FTFA:
Mikey didn't seem upset his entire home was being demolished and hauled away. He praised the Rapid Response workers for their patience and understanding.

I have no idea what has transpired in this guy's life.  But between his ingenuity and resourcefulness in building this, and his attitude about the crews coming in to dismantle it, he seems like a pretty stand-up guy.

I know I wouldn't have anything nice to say at all about a crew that showed up to haul my home away...
 
2020-11-25 8:49:53 AM  
The Oregon woods are littered with places like that but are ostensibly legitimate.  All this dude was missing was an uncontested plot of land.
 
2020-11-25 8:54:03 AM  

groppet: There was a homeless camp near my folks, for the most part they left people alone and did odd jobs to get back on their feet, get drugs or whatever their situation was. IIRC nobody knew there was a camp but heard rumors of one. But this one idiot that lived there was a thief and broke into peoples homes and stole stuff, the cops find him and he flees an put up a hell of a chase and goes right to the camp, lead the cops right to it and got everyone tossed out.


Sounds to me like the HOA didn't vette him properly before accepting his membership application.
 
2020-11-25 8:54:57 AM  
I'll watch his upcoming Netflix show.
 
2020-11-25 8:56:03 AM  

abbarach: FTFA:
Mikey didn't seem upset his entire home was being demolished and hauled away. He praised the Rapid Response workers for their patience and understanding.

I have no idea what has transpired in this guy's life.  But between his ingenuity and resourcefulness in building this, and his attitude about the crews coming in to dismantle it, he seems like a pretty stand-up guy.

I know I wouldn't have anything nice to say at all about a crew that showed up to haul my home away...


Meh, easy come, easy go. Third home is gonna be even more awesome than the first two.
 
2020-11-25 8:56:47 AM  

KidKorporate: The Oregon woods are littered with places like that but are ostensibly legitimate.  All this dude was missing was an uncontested plot of land.


Might also need to have built something that could pass county inspection.
 
2020-11-25 9:02:05 AM  
"This one is far more extensive, with the grounds around it covered in tires, bicycles, tarps, scrap metal, shopping carts, power equipment, coolers, boxes, cans, shoes, lawn furniture, hand tools, pipe, water bottles, plastic barrels, piles of garbage cans, ladders, a bird feeder, old bathtubs and much, much more.
That's not counting all the cars, trucks, trailers and even a boat."


5,000 tons not totally plausible yet, but we're getting there...
 
2020-11-25 9:04:58 AM  
I worked across the street from a homeless camp.  The property was used for something years ago and had 15 foot dirt berm walls on three sides so you wouldn't know they were there except for the occasional EMT dragging out a body.  Went on for the four years I worked there until one day the property owner evicted them.  First thing  he did was bring in heavy equipment to open the berm so that they could use machinery to bring junk out.  Went on for weeks.

The irony is that our local homeless shelter built a new facility literally next door with gyms, showers, real beds, food.  Every day like clockwork they would climb the berm and go next door for a meal then go back to tents and dirt floors, no AC in Florida.

FREEDUM
 
2020-11-25 9:06:20 AM  
Turbo Cojones:

Freedom's just another word to use when you have nothing else to lose.
 
2020-11-25 9:08:49 AM  

abbarach: FTFA:
Mikey didn't seem upset his entire home was being demolished and hauled away. He praised the Rapid Response workers for their patience and understanding.

I have no idea what has transpired in this guy's life.  But between his ingenuity and resourcefulness in building this, and his attitude about the crews coming in to dismantle it, he seems like a pretty stand-up guy.

I know I wouldn't have anything nice to say at all about a crew that showed up to haul my home away...


Severe mental illness, probably.  It's the main cause of long-term homelessness.

And, of course, our public mental health system in this nation is a disgrace and absolutely broken.  So people get to go build palaces of junk in the backwoods rather than get the help they need that might actually allow someone like this, who obviously has actual skills and talents, use them in some way.
 
2020-11-25 9:12:00 AM  

Nurglitch: I love how the problem is that homeless people don't have homes, and the solution is to demolish whatever shelter they can build for themselves out of trash.


Commoners can not own land.
 
2020-11-25 9:13:15 AM  

TheOmni: 5,000 tons? The article mentions using 8 30-yard dumpsters. They normally hold up to about 5 tons. Some stuff, like the vehicles, wouldn't go in a dumpster though. So I searched for the average weight of a pickup truck and Google said 3 tons. I'm having trouble figuring out the math behind this.


A couple of the loads were gold bullion.
 
2020-11-25 9:14:31 AM  

Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 599x449]


Sometimes, that's how she goes.
 
2020-11-25 9:14:59 AM  
You can bet he will find another location, and start all over again.
 
2020-11-25 9:19:14 AM  
So what I'm getting here is if your dwelling fails enough of the building code, they just pronounce it junk and declare you homeless.
 
2020-11-25 9:22:38 AM  
Looks like half the houses in Ward, CO.
 
2020-11-25 9:30:23 AM  

edmo: So what I'm getting here is if your dwelling fails enough of the building code, they just pronounce it junk and declare you homeless.


Well that, and having rights to the land.
 
2020-11-25 9:31:46 AM  
Sounds like the police weighed it all on the scale they use for drug busts.
 
2020-11-25 9:32:09 AM  

starsrift: abbarach: FTFA:
Mikey didn't seem upset his entire home was being demolished and hauled away. He praised the Rapid Response workers for their patience and understanding.

I have no idea what has transpired in this guy's life.  But between his ingenuity and resourcefulness in building this, and his attitude about the crews coming in to dismantle it, he seems like a pretty stand-up guy.

I know I wouldn't have anything nice to say at all about a crew that showed up to haul my home away...

Meh, easy come, easy go. Third home is gonna be even more awesome than the first two.


Most of the fun comes in the planning and the doing anyway.

There's always something of a let down once a project is complete.
 
2020-11-25 9:45:50 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: starsrift: abbarach: FTFA:
Mikey didn't seem upset his entire home was being demolished and hauled away. He praised the Rapid Response workers for their patience and understanding.

I have no idea what has transpired in this guy's life.  But between his ingenuity and resourcefulness in building this, and his attitude about the crews coming in to dismantle it, he seems like a pretty stand-up guy.

I know I wouldn't have anything nice to say at all about a crew that showed up to haul my home away...

Meh, easy come, easy go. Third home is gonna be even more awesome than the first two.

Most of the fun comes in the planning and the doing anyway.

There's always something of a let down once a project is complete.



That's what she said.
 
2020-11-25 10:07:14 AM  
We had a healthy homeless camp along the river close to my house, I would drive past it every morning on my way into work. Everyone ignored it due to the fact that many of our shelters were seeing spikes in Civid infection and they didn't seem to be bothering anyone.

And then one day on my way in (early), there was a whole staging area down the shore of dump container trucks, backhoes and excavators, cop trucks and canine units and when I drove home that night everything was gone.

I figure that they could have stayed there for longer had a few not flew too close to the sun and set up their tents on the waterfront. No one wants to see homeless people with better property than themselves.
 
2020-11-25 10:22:20 AM  
That's 312.5 days older and deeper in debt, if my math is right.
 
2020-11-25 10:24:02 AM  
Guy has a running vehicle and power tools. He's stealing metal, selling it for scrap, and romanticizing it won't change it. Probably doing thousands a month in damage to finance his meth-meets Swiss family Robinson lifestyle. Article hints at it.
 
2020-11-25 10:24:29 AM  
When I was a grad student, my landlord owned two little houses at the back of a lot. I rented the larger one and two guys rented the small one, which was about the size of a garden shed. One or both of them filled the yard with crap like old vacuum cleaners. I never asked what the deal was, but I figured they were burglar proofing my house for free. Nobody was going to see that stuff and think there was anything worth stealing back there.
 
2020-11-25 10:26:47 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: That's a medium sized Frigate, not a home.


I looked it up, a Perry-class frigate has a full load displacement of 4,100 tons.  Yeah, someone added a few zeros to that "total".
 
2020-11-25 10:37:11 AM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: Guy has a running vehicle and power tools. He's stealing metal, selling it for scrap, and romanticizing it won't change it. Probably doing thousands a month in damage to finance his meth-meets Swiss family Robinson lifestyle. Article hints at it.


The article also hinted at having an entire frigate's worth of stuff there, and I don't see it.
 
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