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(Lifehacker)   Yesterday, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices published a preliminary framework for who gets priority for Covid vaccine(s). TLDR: Health care workers first, maskholes last   (vitals.lifehacker.com) divider line
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685 clicks; posted to STEM » on 25 Nov 2020 at 8:55 AM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-11-24 9:26:11 PM  
Lol. Subby and Lifehacker aren't good at reading source documents.

If you work in financial services, like say an insurance agency, you're an "essential worker". So are IT professionals. So are weather forecasters. And clergy.

Hell of a lot of people are "essential workers" that may be slightly less "essential" than you imagine.
 
2020-11-25 4:24:07 AM  

gar1013: Lol. Subby and Lifehacker aren't good at reading source documents.

If you work in financial services, like say an insurance agency, you're an "essential worker". So are IT professionals. So are weather forecasters. And clergy.

Hell of a lot of people are "essential workers" that may be slightly less "essential" than you imagine.


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I've fallen under 5 of those categories in my last 2 jobs...

And yeah, it's a lot of people. That's by design. "Essential" in this case doesn't just mean "immediately life saving", it means people who are required to keep some semblance of normal economic activity and functional society going.

People shouldn't have to deal with fires, or accidents, or health care with no safety net if the insurance industry shuts down. And how would goods get transported if trucking companies suddenly could no longer insure their drivers?

I'll just quote CISA's guidance on essential workers (PDF) for the IT bit: "Most of our economy relies on technology..."

Meteorologists... Well, don't forget, hurricane and tornado season may be behind us, but those did both peak during the pandemic. Also, they are important for a few more things than telling you if you need an umbrella. I don't think the air or sea transport industries would be happy without it. Agriculture relies on it. Utility companies use weather forecasts to anticipate demand and to plan for repairs after storms. Dams preemptively open spillways when rain is in the forecast and they could be at risk of overtopping.

Those things may not feel essential to you, directly, right this second. But they are the backbone of a highly interdependent economy and society. There isn't a single one of those industries that could be shut down without pretty disastrous effect.

/Clergy, on the other hand...
 
2020-11-25 7:01:41 AM  
The logistics to giving everyone two doses of something not everyone wants is daunting.
 
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2020-11-25 7:53:17 AM  
Last spring casinos were classified as essential businesses, although some governors shut them down anyway, but I can't find casino employees in the new essential worker list. Progress?
 
2020-11-25 9:00:39 AM  

gar1013: Lol. Subby and Lifehacker aren't good at reading source documents.

If you work in financial services, like say an insurance agency, you're an "essential worker". So are IT professionals. So are weather forecasters. And clergy.

Hell of a lot of people are "essential workers" that may be slightly less "essential" than you imagine.


This feels like performance art. Which you are also bad at.
 
2020-11-25 9:32:26 AM  

gar1013: And clergy


I cant think of anything less essential.
 
2020-11-25 9:34:10 AM  
Unfortunately, as a health care worker, we are waiting for 300,000 or so other people to get it, and wait 3 months to see any side effects.  We are used to wearing masks, so, it's no sweat off our brow.
 
2020-11-25 9:45:08 AM  

ryebread: I've fallen under 5 of those categories in my last 2 jobs...


I fall under two of them, but am able to be 100% work from home.  My work used to involve lots of travel, but won't even if I'm vaccinated until there's broad vaccination in the areas I'd be traveling to.  Would my boss like me to be in the office in person?  Sure.  Am I going in any time soon?  Probably not.

I do not need to be anywhere near the top of this list.
 
2020-11-25 10:14:38 AM  

Bukharin: gar1013: And clergy

I cant think of anything less essential.


MAGAs

At 68, I'll probably get mine before my wife (51) does, but she works from home.

From what I've read rolling out MMR to the over-40 crowd might help.  Apparently getting those diseases doesn't produce the same antibodies.
 
2020-11-25 10:22:37 AM  
Seems to me that getting the 20-50 yr group should come before older people (like me who can stay home).  They have more complicated lives -- school, kids, jobs that don't WFH and comprise the majority of the workforce.
 
2020-11-25 10:27:30 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: gar1013: Lol. Subby and Lifehacker aren't good at reading source documents.

If you work in financial services, like say an insurance agency, you're an "essential worker". So are IT professionals. So are weather forecasters. And clergy.

Hell of a lot of people are "essential workers" that may be slightly less "essential" than you imagine.

This feels like performance art. Which you are also bad at.


clergy-like typing detected
 
2020-11-25 10:29:41 AM  

TwilightZone: Seems to me that getting the 20-50 yr group should come before older people (like me who can stay home).  They have more complicated lives -- school, kids, jobs that don't WFH and comprise the majority of the workforce.


Giving it to older people second dramatically reduces the load on the hospitals.  You can cut serious cases by a third by inoculating a few million people vs the 100 million or so in the 20-50 group.
 
2020-11-25 10:38:19 AM  

natazha: TwilightZone: Seems to me that getting the 20-50 yr group should come before older people (like me who can stay home).  They have more complicated lives -- school, kids, jobs that don't WFH and comprise the majority of the workforce.

Giving it to older people second dramatically reduces the load on the hospitals.  You can cut serious cases by a third by inoculating a few million people vs the 100 million or so in the 20-50 group.


Giving it to younger people would keep the cooties away from the older people in the first place.
 
2020-11-25 10:45:41 AM  
When everyone is a priority, nobody is.
 
2020-11-25 10:48:12 AM  
Looks like I'll be one of the first, hospital staff ftw
 
2020-11-25 10:49:20 AM  
Soooooo.....when the side effects take out more people than the virus whats the plan?
 
2020-11-25 10:57:33 AM  
New Yorkers dead last, while Cuomo "reviews" things.

I notice elected officials aren't mentioned anywhere in TFA. Wanna guess where they'll fall in the hierarchy?
 
2020-11-25 11:30:15 AM  

stuhayes2010: Unfortunately, as a health care worker, we are waiting for 300,000 or so other people to get it, and wait 3 months to see any side effects.  We are used to wearing masks, so, it's no sweat off our brow.


My hat, off to you.  Does your mouth get dry as hell?  Recently I had to go into a social situation for work, where normally I bring a drink and sip at will, but the meeting lasted over four hours.  It's the longest I've had to wear a mask.  My mouth turned to plaster.  I snuck in one or two drinks under the mask when alone, but it wasn't enough.

All this not to complain, because I do my part to mask up and just deal with it, but to say damn, son.  And yes, you should get your vaccine first.  I'd give mine to you.
 
2020-11-25 12:10:42 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: The logistics to giving everyone two doses of something not everyone wants is daunting.


ImmunizeDD.  The extra D is for a double dose of vaccine.
 
2020-11-25 12:49:26 PM  
It wouldn't surprise me if some maskholes tried to shove their way to the front of the vaccination line once the medical pros and first responders get theirs.

/then again, I wouldn't be surprised if most maskholes were raging anti-vaxxers to begin with
 
2020-11-25 1:25:11 PM  

lifeslammer: Soooooo.....when the side effects take out more people than the virus whats the plan?


World War Q
 
2020-11-25 1:44:16 PM  
Healthcare workers, first, please. Then people more likely to further burden the healthcare system, until we get the caseload down, then ....
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2020-11-25 8:12:14 PM  
The movie Contagion in real life comes to mind.
 
2020-11-25 8:43:20 PM  

TwilightZone: natazha: TwilightZone: Seems to me that getting the 20-50 yr group should come before older people (like me who can stay home).  They have more complicated lives -- school, kids, jobs that don't WFH and comprise the majority of the workforce.

Giving it to older people second dramatically reduces the load on the hospitals.  You can cut serious cases by a third by inoculating a few million people vs the 100 million or so in the 20-50 group.

Giving it to younger people would keep the cooties away from the older people in the first place.


wow, just wow.  That's really bad use of math
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b​r​iefs/c2010br-03.pdf
Now, sit down and think about that.   There are a hell of a lot more younger people.  WTF is wrong with your brain?
 
2020-11-26 10:42:16 AM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: TwilightZone: natazha: TwilightZone: Seems to me that getting the 20-50 yr group should come before older people (like me who can stay home).  They have more complicated lives -- school, kids, jobs that don't WFH and comprise the majority of the workforce.

Giving it to older people second dramatically reduces the load on the hospitals.  You can cut serious cases by a third by inoculating a few million people vs the 100 million or so in the 20-50 group.

Giving it to younger people would keep the cooties away from the older people in the first place.

wow, just wow.  That's really bad use of math
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/br​iefs/c2010br-03.pdf
Now, sit down and think about that.   There are a hell of a lot more younger people.  WTF is wrong with your brain?


That rant is a double wow.  I didn't use math at all, so that was a really bad use of accusation.  My opinion was purely based on the idea that people in the 20-50 age group have more complicated lives and thus have more contact with others versus retired people who can limit their contacts more easily.  A father who has a couple of kids and an aging parent he takes care of, who can't work from home should get the vaccine before grandma who hasn't gotten out of bed in year.  The loss of that father would be more impactful on the family and society than that of grandma.  So, in answer to your question: there's nothing wrong with my brain, but as we all know here on Fark, every accusation is a confession.  So, been stroking lately?
 
2020-11-26 12:46:40 PM  

TwilightZone: Uncontrolled_Jibe: TwilightZone: natazha: TwilightZone: Seems to me that getting the 20-50 yr group should come before older people (like me who can stay home).  They have more complicated lives -- school, kids, jobs that don't WFH and comprise the majority of the workforce.

Giving it to older people second dramatically reduces the load on the hospitals.  You can cut serious cases by a third by inoculating a few million people vs the 100 million or so in the 20-50 group.

Giving it to younger people would keep the cooties away from the older people in the first place.

wow, just wow.  That's really bad use of math
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/br​iefs/c2010br-03.pdf
Now, sit down and think about that.   There are a hell of a lot more younger people.  WTF is wrong with your brain?

That rant is a double wow.  I didn't use math at all, so that was a really bad use of accusation.  My opinion was purely based on the idea that people in the 20-50 age group have more complicated lives and thus have more contact with others versus retired people who can limit their contacts more easily.  A father who has a couple of kids and an aging parent he takes care of, who can't work from home should get the vaccine before grandma who hasn't gotten out of bed in year.  The loss of that father would be more impactful on the family and society than that of grandma.  So, in answer to your question: there's nothing wrong with my brain, but as we all know here on Fark, every accusation is a confession.  So, been stroking lately?


Throw grandma from the train?   Your model requires dad and the kids.  Once grandma is immunized then a healthy dad and the kids are less of a risk.  If he's an essential worker he gets the vaccine earlier.   The IFR rate and exposure are the metrics to use.

This accusation/confession concept is bizarre.   What does that have to do with anything?  Is your grandma a burden or is this just some scenario from a friend?
 
2020-11-26 5:51:07 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: TwilightZone: Uncontrolled_Jibe: TwilightZone: natazha: TwilightZone: Seems to me that getting the 20-50 yr group should come before older people (like me who can stay home).  They have more complicated lives -- school, kids, jobs that don't WFH and comprise the majority of the workforce.

Giving it to older people second dramatically reduces the load on the hospitals.  You can cut serious cases by a third by inoculating a few million people vs the 100 million or so in the 20-50 group.

Giving it to younger people would keep the cooties away from the older people in the first place.

wow, just wow.  That's really bad use of math
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/br​iefs/c2010br-03.pdf
Now, sit down and think about that.   There are a hell of a lot more younger people.  WTF is wrong with your brain?

That rant is a double wow.  I didn't use math at all, so that was a really bad use of accusation.  My opinion was purely based on the idea that people in the 20-50 age group have more complicated lives and thus have more contact with others versus retired people who can limit their contacts more easily.  A father who has a couple of kids and an aging parent he takes care of, who can't work from home should get the vaccine before grandma who hasn't gotten out of bed in year.  The loss of that father would be more impactful on the family and society than that of grandma.  So, in answer to your question: there's nothing wrong with my brain, but as we all know here on Fark, every accusation is a confession.  So, been stroking lately?

Throw grandma from the train?   Your model requires dad and the kids.  Once grandma is immunized then a healthy dad and the kids are less of a risk.  If he's an essential worker he gets the vaccine earlier.   The IFR rate and exposure are the metrics to use.

This accusation/confession concept is bizarre.   What does that have to do with anything?  Is your grandma a burden or is this just some scenario from a friend?


My model doesn't require anything since it was an example not a model.  Where do you think grandma is getting infected in the first place?  I bolded what you wrote regarding my brain which you obviously forgotten having written it, another indication you're critical thinking skills have Thanksgiving off.
 
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