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(247 Sports)   BYU's actual tweet: "Any team, any time, any place." Washington: "Hey there, our rivalry game was cancelled. Want to play?" BYU: "We truly want to earn a spot in the CFP but we've got hair appointments on Saturday." Washington: "Thought so"   (247sports.com) divider line
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2020-11-24 1:53:01 PM  
Fresno State under Pat Hill was one of the few programs who actually meant that "Any team, any time, any place" stuff. Miami also meant it, that is how they got off the ground and made a name for themselves. It wouldn't be home-and-homes, each of those teams would play you at your place.

You either pass or you fail, go or no go. Fresno State made the attempt and in the end bit off more than they could chew but at least they tried, I respect that. They didn't sit there and whine about being overlooked, they took games on the road against any name team willing to give them a shot.

Boise State meant it for a few years until they started realizing they could lose. They still said it, of course, but they didn't mean it any longer.

BYU obviously doesn't mean it and hopes they can skate on in without playing a single P5 team, fark them. I'm not going to say I'm overly familiar with Washington and definitely not after two games. BYU is probably the better team even if Washington had a full schedule under their belt already to work any kinks out but I'm not giving BYU the benefit of the doubt when they open their mouths and then decide they want to be handed something instead of earning it.

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2020-11-24 3:51:56 PM  
Big flex when playing nothing but mid-majors...
 
2020-11-24 4:41:03 PM  

WoodyHayes: Fresno State under Pat Hill was one of the few programs who actually meant that "Any team, any time, any place" stuff. Miami also meant it, that is how they got off the ground and made a name for themselves. It wouldn't be home-and-homes, each of those teams would play you at your place.

You either pass or you fail, go or no go. Fresno State made the attempt and in the end bit off more than they could chew but at least they tried, I respect that. They didn't sit there and whine about being overlooked, they took games on the road against any name team willing to give them a shot.

Boise State meant it for a few years until they started realizing they could lose. They still said it, of course, but they didn't mean it any longer.

BYU obviously doesn't mean it and hopes they can skate on in without playing a single P5 team, fark them. I'm not going to say I'm overly familiar with Washington and definitely not after two games. BYU is probably the better team even if Washington had a full schedule under their belt already to work any kinks out but I'm not giving BYU the benefit of the doubt when they open their mouths and then decide they want to be handed something instead of earning it.

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Or not.


See also:  FSU, especially the first 10 years of Bowden.
 
2020-11-24 4:42:05 PM  
Obviously they did for the playets I am betting BYU has some big exams coming up and they didnt want to risk anyone's GPA with an unnecessary road game.

You guys always forget these are studnet athletes and I am glad a school is putting academics first.
 
2020-11-24 4:56:30 PM  
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2020-11-24 5:01:51 PM  
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2020-11-24 5:06:51 PM  

snoopy2zero: Obviously they did for the playets I am betting BYU has some big exams coming up and they didnt want to risk anyone's GPA with an unnecessary road game.

You guys always forget these are studnet athletes and I am glad a school is putting academics first.


Yes, I am sure academics torpedoed a football game for a highly ranked team....

Seriously though, they did the calculations and determined that beating Washington wouldn't improve the situation given the Pac12 is garbage this year, but if they lost, they were done for a possible playoff berth.  There is no shame in choosing not to play, but not playing a game when you don't have many quality wins means you are relying on your opponents to make a mistake and let you slide in.  Given the inherent biases in the college football playoff selectors, I don't think BYU sitting on the sidelines is good news as the selectors are just as likely to throw in a 1 or 2 loss SEC/Big10 opponent over an undefeated BYU
 
2020-11-24 5:20:46 PM  

WoodyHayes: Boise State meant it for a few years until they started realizing they could lose. They still said it, of course, but they didn't mean it any longer.


That is so hilariously wrong.  You aren't up to date on college football scheduling, which is done years in advance. BSU played FSU last year, it's not their fault that the Seminoles are now a train wreck.  BSU was supposed to play them this year too but the pandemic ruined that.  BSU has UCF and Oklahoma State on the schedule for next year, Michigan State in 2022 and 2023.  Oregon and Houston in 2024.  They only have 4 OOC spots, two of them have to be at home and the only way to get the big guys to play at your place is with 2 for 1s.  And the reason those Fresno State teams got all of those games was because those were guaranteed victories for the other team.  BSU isn't getting those games.  LSU isn't paying BSU 1 million to come play them.  Neither is USC.  So it is one offs in "neutral" site locations like Va Tech and Georgia in 2010 and 11, or the 2 for 1s with good programs, or home and homes with crappier ones like Oregon State and Washington State.

Regardless, you know nothing and get nothing.  Good day sir.
 
2020-11-24 5:24:15 PM  

Daedalus27: Yes, I am sure academics torpedoed a football game for a highly ranked team....


It's Happened:  https://vault.si.com/vault​/1961/12/11/​agony-instead-of-roses-in-columbus
 
2020-11-24 5:30:34 PM  
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2020-11-24 5:42:50 PM  

buckeyebrain: Daedalus27: Yes, I am sure academics torpedoed a football game for a highly ranked team....

It's Happened:  https://vault.si.com/vault/​1961/12/11/agony-instead-of-roses-in-c​olumbus


59 years ago.
 
2020-11-24 5:48:05 PM  

buckeyebrain: See also:  FSU, especially the first 10 years of Bowden.


I always forget about how they came to be, you're right.

dark brew: Regardless, you know nothing and get nothing.  Good day sir.


Well, you're not entirely wrong. I'd forgotten about some of those games. Boise State does deserve more credit than I had given them, though they are still half measures.

The problem is that Boise State has loudly complained in the past that they can't get games, yet the blueprint exists in the form of Florida State and Miami being willing to go on the road without the favor being returned until they built themselves up. If Boise State doesn't want to take the opportunities provided to them while being more than keenly aware that they need a Strength of Schedule boost, that has been entirely in their hands to solve but they have refused chance after chance to do so. Four Out of Conference games a year, four occasions to go on the road and boost their SoS. Take them, prove their worth as others have.

You would say that isn't fair and you'd be right in doing so, I make no apologies that Boise State and teams like them do not get an equal seat at the table for something they had zero hand in building. Other programs have been in their position and overcame it, nobody handed them anything.

I have always argued and will continue to argue that SoS matters to the point of saying Ohio State would not deserve anything over other teams if their SoS is less than a competitor for a slot, I am objective in that regard. Were the records to be equal and Boise State had a better SoS than Ohio State, Boise State would get my nod believe it or not.

Though you may disagree, the blue field does not help matters when it comes to rectifying the perception of them as not being a big boy program. That is also another issue which holds them back.
 
2020-11-24 5:55:51 PM  

buckeyebrain: Daedalus27: Yes, I am sure academics torpedoed a football game for a highly ranked team....

It's Happened:  https://vault.si.com/vault/​1961/12/11/agony-instead-of-roses-in-c​olumbus


FTFA: "Here was Ohio State University, a frankly football-minded institution which spends something like $1,300 a head to recruit good ballplayers, sends them through Woody Hayes's hard-but-clean football school."

See, Ohio State does things The Right Way™*!

I do find it quaint that "ballplayers" was used, as now I'm trying and failing to come up with any sport besides baseball where it is said that way.

*that statement may or may not be entirely accurate
 
2020-11-24 6:00:59 PM  

snoopy2zero: Obviously they did for the playets I am betting BYU has some big exams coming up and they didnt want to risk anyone's GPA with an unnecessary road game.

You guys always forget these are studnet athletes and I am glad a school is putting academics first.


Or the 26 year old sophomores with four kids couldn't find a babysitter on short notice.
 
2020-11-24 6:02:30 PM  
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Lol why are they in any conversation?
 
2020-11-24 6:20:00 PM  
BYU near the top in 2020? Certainly a weird year.
 
2020-11-24 6:24:07 PM  

WoodyHayes: The problem is that Boise State has loudly complained in the past that they can't get games, yet the blueprint exists in the form of Florida State and Miami being willing to go on the road without the favor being returned until they built themselves up.


I'm not gonna research what FSU or Miami did or didn't do, but your belief that BSU can just schedule Texas or Penn State or whatever other traditional power is just fundamentally flawed.  Those teams aren't scheduling BSU, even as a home one off.  The ADs here have tried, but those teams schedule Wyoming and Southern Miss instead for guaranteed victories. So the absolute best BSU can do is get those neutral site games arranged by a third party, or 2 for 1s, which they've been doing.

The rest of your crap about deserving and fairness and building this and that is not worth replying to. BSU can't get in a better conference, they schedule the best teams they can and when they lose, people like you say "see they were overrated."  Despite coming close on a fraction of the budget of OSU.
 
2020-11-24 6:24:20 PM  
There is a song by The Who which would also fit for the thread theme.

Cajnik: [Fark user image 425x579]

Lol why are they in any conversation?


In some degree of fairness towards BYU, as an independent they had to scramble to get any games they could since they didn't have a built-in conference slate to fall back on. West Point had the same issue and their AD had a world of difficulties filling slots, I can't imagine BYU had an easy time of it. Not that it excuses passing up on Washington though.
 
2020-11-24 6:39:13 PM  
They would get their asses kicked by Coastal Carolina.
 
2020-11-24 6:43:45 PM  

Cajnik: snoopy2zero: Obviously they did for the playets I am betting BYU has some big exams coming up and they didnt want to risk anyone's GPA with an unnecessary road game.

You guys always forget these are studnet athletes and I am glad a school is putting academics first.

Or the 26 year old sophomores with four kids couldn't find a babysitter on short notice.


Ha, that is why I love BYU stroller parking outside of buildings.
 
2020-11-24 6:44:47 PM  
What?

A social media account is run by people who like to engage in talk that makes their fans feel like tough guys? AND the people running the social media account don't back it up (or have authority to set others up to back it up)?

I dunno if I can really believe in sports anymore.

Well, just as long as the players who chose their school based on professional goals (or wherever they got the most scholarship money) REALLY hate that rival school for arbitrary reasons just as much as I do, I guess I can still watch...
 
2020-11-24 6:45:49 PM  

dark brew: I'm not gonna research what FSU or Miami did or didn't do, but your belief that BSU can just schedule Texas or Penn State or whatever other traditional power is just fundamentally flawed.  Those teams aren't scheduling BSU, even as a home one off.  The ADs here have tried, but those teams schedule Wyoming and Southern Miss instead for guaranteed victories. So the absolute best BSU can do is get those neutral site games arranged by a third party, or 2 for 1s, which they've been doing.


I specifically remember Boise State turning down Nebraska's offer of a two for one about ten years ago, I remember they were still in the Big XII at the time. As I said above, Boise State does deserve more credit for scheduling than I was giving them but it is nowhere near what their fans believe it should be or more importantly, what Boise State already knows it needs to be.

dark brew: The rest of your crap about deserving and fairness and building this and that is not worth replying to.


Cool by me, it isn't any skin off my back since I'm not the one begging for scraps from a meal they didn't make. You've already been told how other teams earned their spot at the adult's table, it isn't my loss if Boise State's fans don't think they have to earn what others did and it certainly won't help Boise State to get what they claim they want. If you're good with it I've got no problem saying the same things next year, five years from now, or a decade from now. Should I just bookmark this stuff and copypasta for when the same complaints are made down the road?
 
2020-11-24 6:51:12 PM  

WoodyHayes: dark brew: I'm not gonna research what FSU or Miami did or didn't do, but your belief that BSU can just schedule Texas or Penn State or whatever other traditional power is just fundamentally flawed.  Those teams aren't scheduling BSU, even as a home one off.  The ADs here have tried, but those teams schedule Wyoming and Southern Miss instead for guaranteed victories. So the absolute best BSU can do is get those neutral site games arranged by a third party, or 2 for 1s, which they've been doing.


I specifically remember Boise State turning down Nebraska's offer of a two for one about ten years ago, I remember they were still in the Big XII at the time. As I said above, Boise State does deserve more credit for scheduling than I was giving them but it is nowhere near what their fans believe it should be or more importantly, what Boise State already knows it needs to be.


If Boise State needs to play better teams, why are we talking about Nebraska?

/my fb feed is full of Nebraska fans whining that the refs cost them the game against OSU where they lost by 35.
 
2020-11-24 7:19:14 PM  

snoopy2zero: Obviously they did for the playets I am betting BYU has some big exams coming up and they didnt want to risk anyone's GPA with an unnecessary road game.

You guys always forget these are studnet athletes and I am glad a school is putting academics first.


Oh, so you high-high...
 
2020-11-24 7:25:29 PM  

WoodyHayes: Fresno State under Pat Hill was one of the few programs who actually meant that "Any team, any time, any place" stuff. Miami also meant it, that is how they got off the ground and made a name for themselves. It wouldn't be home-and-homes, each of those teams would play you at your place.


Great point about Fresno State. Miami played anyone in the 80's but they played a lot of those games in Miami. In 1987 (their second National Championship) they only played two games away from home and only one outside of Florida. You'd think BYU would be begging to play against UW since their schedule is a total joke. Just because you beat up on UTSA, Texas State and LA Tech doesn't mean you deserve to take on Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson.
 
2020-11-24 7:26:40 PM  
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2020-11-24 8:58:02 PM  
Playoff rankings came out today.

They're at #14.

Guess what, BYU - you need Washington a lot more than they need you.
 
2020-11-24 9:45:18 PM  
Or Washington's demands for the game are silly.  They include no pay, we can cancel up until Thursday midnight, and you must follow PAC 12 COVID protocol that is so great that 1/3 of our games have been canceled.
 
2020-11-24 9:47:44 PM  

gregz18: Playoff rankings came out today.

They're at #14.

Guess what, BYU - you need Washington a lot more than they need you.


Why would someone ranked 14 need to play an unranked team?
 
2020-11-24 9:50:33 PM  
Too bad because UW and BYU actually had something of a rivalry back in my teenage years, the 1980s. BYU won the national championship in 1984, going undefeated against a creampuff schedule (culminating with a 24-17 comeback win in the Holiday Bowl over a 6-5 Michigan team). Washington was #2 and throttled Oklahoma (which had been #2 before the game) in the Orange Bowl. During the regular season, BYU's big win was in the season opener against Pitt, which was #3 at the time, so it looked like a statement victory; but Pitt wound up going 3-7-1. So in Seattle, where I was living, there was a lot of ire directed towards BYU in those days. Nowadays I kind of like BYU, but in the late 80s they were the most hated rival -- WSU was like the kid brother, and nobody cared about Oregon yet.

Funny epilogue to that story: in 1985, Oklahoma was an almost unanimous national champion. They received all but one vote in the coaches' poll. The lone dissenter? Their own coach, Barry Switzer. He voted for undefeated Fresno State, to make a statement about how stupid the 1984 rankings were. (He was, of course, confident enough that his team would be #1 that he could do this.)
 
2020-11-24 9:54:56 PM  

haknudsen: gregz18: Playoff rankings came out today.

They're at #14.

Guess what, BYU - you need Washington a lot more than they need you.

Why would someone ranked 14 need to play an unranked team?


Imagine putting any weight into college football rankings during a pandemic.
 
2020-11-24 9:55:29 PM  
we live in a world where Liberty U was ranked in the top-20.   Having Cincy and BYU in the top-10 is silly, even though Cincy is a pretty decent program.
 
2020-11-24 10:02:25 PM  

haknudsen: Or Washington's demands for the game are silly.  They include no pay, we can cancel up until Thursday midnight, and you must follow PAC 12 COVID protocol that is so great that 1/3 of our games have been canceled.


The Utah ASU game has been canceled and USC has had positive tests and canceled their practices so the USC vs Colorado game is probably off.  This means any Washington vs BYU game would be canceled.
 
2020-11-24 10:44:25 PM  
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2020-11-24 10:44:59 PM  

haknudsen: Or Washington's demands for the game are silly.  They include no pay, we can cancel up until Thursday midnight, and you must follow PAC 12 COVID protocol that is so great that 1/3 of our games have been canceled.


So...

anyone, anywhere*


*a lot of exceptions apply
 
2020-11-24 10:59:59 PM  

Cajnik: [Fark user image image 425x579]

Lol why are they in any conversation?


Yeah, there's no way in hell BYU leaps an undefeated Cincinnati.  Cincy's beaten Army, SMU, Memphis, and UCF.  After Boise, BYU's best win is...Houston?  LA Tech?
 
2020-11-24 11:44:11 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Cajnik: [Fark user image image 425x579]

Lol why are they in any conversation?

Yeah, there's no way in hell BYU leaps an undefeated Cincinnati.  Cincy's beaten Army, SMU, Memphis, and UCF.  After Boise, BYU's best win is...Houston?  LA Tech?


Didn't BYU also demolish Army?
 
2020-11-24 11:46:24 PM  
Nope, Navy.

Sorry, other crappy service academy.

/none of Cincy's wins are any good
//no one's wins are any good
///none of this matters
 
2020-11-25 2:26:36 AM  
So now Washington is playing Utah as I predicted and all this bru-ha-ha was for nothing.
For those that don't know the opportunity to play a PAC 12 team takes precedence over out-of-conference games.
 
2020-11-25 3:02:30 AM  

iamskibibitz: WoodyHayes: Fresno State under Pat Hill was one of the few programs who actually meant that "Any team, any time, any place" stuff. Miami also meant it, that is how they got off the ground and made a name for themselves. It wouldn't be home-and-homes, each of those teams would play you at your place.

Great point about Fresno State. Miami played anyone in the 80's but they played a lot of those games in Miami. In 1987 (their second National Championship) they only played two games away from home and only one outside of Florida. You'd think BYU would be begging to play against UW since their schedule is a total joke. Just because you beat up on UTSA, Texas State and LA Tech doesn't mean you deserve to take on Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson.


Wrong. 4 games on the road, 3 outside of the state.
 
2020-11-25 4:22:52 AM  

Cajnik: snoopy2zero: Obviously they did for the playets I am betting BYU has some big exams coming up and they didnt want to risk anyone's GPA with an unnecessary road game.

You guys always forget these are studnet athletes and I am glad a school is putting academics first.

Or the 26 year old sophomores with four kids couldn't find a babysitter on short notice.


Couldn't he just use one of his other wives?
 
2020-11-25 9:36:21 AM  

gregz18: Playoff rankings came out today.

They're at #14.

Guess what, BYU - you need Washington a lot more than they need you.


BYU cancelled on Army earlier this year after BYU had some COVID-19 issues, I don't blame them for that because they were being practical and doing the right thing as well as one can do the right thing in the middle of this and continue to have a season. Army has made it clear they still want to play that game and they each have the next two weekends off. At #14, BYU should be highly motivated to get wins, they know now that it is all on them to improve their stock. Games are there to be made or at the absolute worst, BYU knows where they can find one for next week or next weekend as Army has already said they'd be willing to get the game in the week before Navy. I will be pleasantly surprised if BYU stops sitting on their hands and picks up the phone, I will not be surprised if the only reason they pick up the phone is to whine about being disrespected.

iamskibibitz: Great point about Fresno State. Miami played anyone in the 80's but they played a lot of those games in Miami. In 1987 (their second National Championship) they only played two games away from home and only one outside of Florida.


It also doesn't sit entirely well with me that Miami got to play what amounted to national title games in their own stadium. Three, maybe even four of them? Anybody else would have also done the same thing given the opportunity so I guess it'd just be a general criticism of the game and not the player, as the kids sort of say. Doesn't mean I have to like it though.
 
2020-11-25 9:55:46 AM  

Daedalus27: https://vault.si.com/vault/1961/12/11​/​agony-instead-of-roses-in-columbus


I was impressed Hayes managed to not assault anyone when he was upset.
 
2020-11-25 10:42:32 AM  

mjbok: Daedalus27: https://vault.si.com/vault/1961/12/11/​agony-instead-of-roses-in-columbus

I was impressed Hayes managed to not assault anyone when he was upset.


That is an awful thing to say, to unfairly besmirch Lord Alfred Hayes like that. Lord Hayes was an Officer of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire and a gentleman of the highest caliber. Shame!
 
2020-11-25 10:43:11 AM  
No, I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing either.
 
2020-11-25 11:16:17 AM  
Doesn't surprise me much. Mormons do this kinda shiat on the reg.
 
2020-11-25 11:21:40 AM  
WoodyHayes:  It also doesn't sit entirely well with me that Miami got to play what amounted to national title games in their own stadium. Three, maybe even four of them? Anybody else would have also done the same thing given the opportunity so I guess it'd just be a general criticism of the game and not the player, as the kids sort of say. Doesn't mean I have to like it though.

News flash:  Since FBS is slavish to the Bowl cartel (which was originally designed for tourism), the South and West nearly-always have home field advantage in the biggest Bowl games.  In fact, my favorite Bowl game ever was a random game in Tennessee(?) in 50-degree weather:  Miami freezing their arses off against Wisconsin in shirt sleeves.
 
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