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(Reuters)   Billions in cash on pallets didn't work last time and it won't work this time either. In other news, the Taliban's benefits package and retirement fund is looking pretty strong   (reuters.com) divider line
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2020-11-24 9:08:43 AM  
If you don't pay them, then the terrorists will win.
 
2020-11-24 10:56:26 AM  
Uncertainty whether the compromises needed for peace might lead to backsliding on human and women's rights, has made some countries wary about making long-term commitments to an Afghan administration, which needs foreign money to cover about three-quarters of its spending.

So what's the difference between human and women's rights?

And how is not being blown up, but living in a religiously conservative nation, worse than being blown up?
 
2020-11-24 2:52:30 PM  
Whoever thought that was a good idea was nuts. Or a crook
 
2020-11-24 8:58:27 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Uncertainty whether the compromises needed for peace might lead to backsliding on human and women's rights, has made some countries wary about making long-term commitments to an Afghan administration, which needs foreign money to cover about three-quarters of its spending.

So what's the difference between human and women's rights?

And how is not being blown up, but living in a religiously conservative nation, worse than being blown up?


"Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" isn't just a slogan.  There are people that would violently reject an oppressive religious government.  (And then there are Republicans.)
 
2020-11-24 9:02:42 PM  
A few days ago in the random Youtube suggestions a Vice production from 2013 called "This Is What Winning Looks Like" popped up so I watched it and holy crap, Afghanistan is an utterly hopeless sh*thole. We have as much hope of convincing them our way of doing things is the better way as they have of convincing us their way is the better way. It's time to cut our losses and leave.
 
2020-11-24 9:03:22 PM  
It's an explosive industry.  Lots of opportunity for upward mobility.
 
2020-11-24 9:04:21 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Uncertainty whether the compromises needed for peace might lead to backsliding on human and women's rights, has made some countries wary about making long-term commitments to an Afghan administration, which needs foreign money to cover about three-quarters of its spending.

So what's the difference between human and women's rights?

And how is not being blown up, but living in a religiously conservative nation, worse than being blown up?


Obviously women aren't human. Duh.
 
2020-11-24 9:11:53 PM  
many made it conditional on protecting human rights and making progress on peace talks

So basically...

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2020-11-24 9:13:46 PM  
Afghanistan is farked.
Decades of war without respite have given the entire country long term intergenerational PTSD.
The West have done more harm than good there.
Time to leave.
The poppy fields of Helmand province will get picked regardless of who is bribing who at any particular moment.
You can't win a guerrilla war over time.
People who live there just have to endure and abide and outlast you.
 
2020-11-24 10:29:00 PM  

quatchi: Afghanistan is farked.
Decades of war without respite have given the entire country long term intergenerational PTSD.
The West have done more harm than good there.
Time to leave.
The poppy fields of Helmand province will get picked regardless of who is bribing who at any particular moment.
You can't win a guerrilla war over time.
People who live there just have to endure and abide and outlast you.


The taliban actually cracked down on the opium trade
 
2020-11-24 10:29:19 PM  

Befuddled: A few days ago in the random Youtube suggestions a Vice production from 2013 called "This Is What Winning Looks Like" popped up so I watched it and holy crap, Afghanistan is an utterly hopeless sh*thole. We have as much hope of convincing them our way of doing things is the better way as they have of convincing us their way is the better way. It's time to cut our losses and leave.


Or find something in the middle.  The majority of the population outside of the cities just wants to be left the fark alone.  The people in the cities don't want taliban.  Find a happy medium.  Quit trying the goat herders into a democracy because they don't care and just want to fark their goats, and let cities band together and do what they want.

The people outside of the cities will fight anyone taliban, US, Afghanistan government, leave them alone.  They'll come around to whatever non-taliban central government eventually.


It's the forcing of American style democracy that is pissing them off.
 
2020-11-25 12:15:39 AM  
Mostly because the $billion$ of cash pallets went to Iraq, not Afghanistan, subby.

I mean, you're not wrong in dollar amounts, but the big bales of actual cash that Paul Bremer's Coalition assholes were playing with went to the Green Zone in Baghdad, not to Afghanistan.
 
2020-11-25 12:26:35 AM  
A great deal of foreign aid aid is actually paid in kind, like as sacks of food or vehicles or bandages, rather than as big boxes with "$$$" written on the outside.
 
2020-11-25 1:21:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Mostly because the $billion$ of cash pallets went to Iraq, not Afghanistan, subby.

I mean, you're not wrong in dollar amounts, but the big bales of actual cash that Paul Bremer's Coalition assholes were playing with went to the Green Zone in Baghdad, not to Afghanistan.


Pallets of cash went to Afghanistan too.  It just wasn't as ubiquitous as Iraq.  Wasn't as mismanaged either.  I'm not saying it wasn't mismanaged, but it was not nearly as bad as Iraq.

We had one at our FOB.  Basically pay off locals to give us info.  Or to pay off family members whose family member we killed totally wasn't a terrorist and is demanding we pay them so they didn't get people riled up or help the taliban more.  Neighbors going to war over a fence and start placing landmines along fence line that inevitably hurts a kid and kills some kids?  Pay off grieving family so they don't call in taliban for support.  House get damaged in a firefight even though the person we killed in their house was a family member and shooting at us first?  Pay for repairs of the house to show we care... and then gave them a little extra.  Kick in a door?  Pay them money even if we found weapons caches or wanted targets.

Pallets of cash were a thing.  And if those things make it seem like it was mismanaged, well Iraq pallet cash made this look professional.  It was more cash then our entire company would make in the year that we were there.

That shiat was just falling off the back of the truck in Iraq.
 
2020-11-25 2:10:55 AM  

AlgaeRancher: Whoever thought that was a good idea was nuts. Or a crook


We gave 'em $43 million in 2001, about 6 months before 9/11. Based on their GDP, it was the equivalent of $215 billion. We never, ever, learn.

How Washington Funded the Taliban | Cato Institute
 
2020-11-25 6:55:24 AM  

dkulprit: Gyrfalcon: Mostly because the $billion$ of cash pallets went to Iraq, not Afghanistan, subby.

I mean, you're not wrong in dollar amounts, but the big bales of actual cash that Paul Bremer's Coalition assholes were playing with went to the Green Zone in Baghdad, not to Afghanistan.

Pallets of cash went to Afghanistan too.  It just wasn't as ubiquitous as Iraq.  Wasn't as mismanaged either.  I'm not saying it wasn't mismanaged, but it was not nearly as bad as Iraq.

We had one at our FOB.  Basically pay off locals to give us info.  Or to pay off family members whose family member we killed totally wasn't a terrorist and is demanding we pay them so they didn't get people riled up or help the taliban more.  Neighbors going to war over a fence and start placing landmines along fence line that inevitably hurts a kid and kills some kids?  Pay off grieving family so they don't call in taliban for support.  House get damaged in a firefight even though the person we killed in their house was a family member and shooting at us first?  Pay for repairs of the house to show we care... and then gave them a little extra.  Kick in a door?  Pay them money even if we found weapons caches or wanted targets.

Pallets of cash were a thing.  And if those things make it seem like it was mismanaged, well Iraq pallet cash made this look professional.  It was more cash then our entire company would make in the year that we were there.

That shiat was just falling off the back of the truck in Iraq.


I now imagine a fire team kicking in a door and clearing a whole room of people that were firing at another squad through the windows. The shots stop and everything is silent for a moment after the fire team has killed all the shooters, then a couple of kids and a woman come down the stairs, see the carnage and start crying and demanding the fire team go to hell. Then one of the troops pulls out a bullet pierced stack of Benjamins from their webbing and spreads it like 52 card pickup across the bodies with the translator saying "sorry, take this."
 
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