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(BBC-US)   Apple's head of global security has been indicted on bribery charges for offering $70,000 in iPads to a CA sheriff in exchange for CCW permits for him and his staff. So, like, 3 iPads then?   (bbc.com) divider line
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2020-11-23 9:00:51 PM  
It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?
 
2020-11-23 9:03:26 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?


In the DPRK, it's almost impossible to get a CCW with out significant bribes campaign contributions.
 
2020-11-23 9:08:59 PM  
He should have established legal residency in Texas.

CCW permits are dispensed like paper towels in gas station restrooms.
 
2020-11-23 9:12:55 PM  
Cops don't just go full bribery for permits overnight. Betting there are some other guys in security in the area whose assholes are puckering right now.
 
2020-11-23 9:18:40 PM  
It really depends. About it a generation ago I donated $200 a year to a sheriff's reflection campaign that gave me a badge and ID as a reserve deputy sheriff go away because of a change in the law.
/Did it because of DUI rules
// It worked back then
/// Probably better now
//// Use a driver now
 
2020-11-23 9:26:35 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?


In most CA counties it's nearly impossible to get one.  Santa Barbara is infamous for being completely impossible.

CSB: Worked for a security systems company that was invited to bid on the new Apple headquarters.  Did a pro forma review and declined to bid.  Because we knew that as soon as the system was complete, they'd offer the people who built the system massive raises to jump ship and manage the system.  Contractors who work with companies like Apple, Facebook, WalMart, etc are making a deal with the devil.
 
2020-11-23 9:32:02 PM  
Pretty sure nobody has a CCW in Santa Clara, San Francisco, Contra Costa, or Alameda Counties without bribing the Sheriff.

Only it's usually a "campaign contribution."
 
2020-11-23 9:38:22 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?


The "May Issue" instead of "Shall Issue" standard.
"May Issue" is an old Jim Crow era set of rules where even if you meet all the legal criteria and pass the checks and pass the training, the local Sheriff can still deny you entirely for extralegal reasons. This happens without the requirement for justification to be given for the denial, and without right to appeal.
It was originally designed to keep blacks from owning firearms, so as such its the only law I know of where a constitutional right may be denied, entirely extrajudically, with no transparency and no redress.
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Which makes it even more infuriating that it is the blue states that have inexplicably rushed back to it.
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It is still used primarily to keep minorities from gun ownership. However, in places like this it can be used to give licenses just to a Sheriffs donors and business and political allies, and to be bartered for favors and bribes like in this case.
 
2020-11-23 9:46:53 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?


Felons
 
2020-11-23 10:46:33 PM  

cretinbob: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?


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2020-11-24 12:49:40 AM  
Also, of course, no consequences for the cops already earn more than 5x their "subjects" median income but felt the need to solicit bribes anyway.

It's pretty much lose-lose for us scum when one of our heroes in blue demands a bribe. Comply and you die in prison. Don't comply and they kill you or trump up charges anyway.
 
2020-11-24 4:38:14 AM  
Why do cows need permits?
 
2020-11-24 7:36:31 AM  
sounds like he did not offer enough.
 
2020-11-24 7:36:39 AM  
That's a crappy bribe.  Why not quality computer equipment?
 
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2020-11-24 7:37:35 AM  

Dryad: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?

The "May Issue" instead of "Shall Issue" standard.
"May Issue" is an old Jim Crow era set of rules where even if you meet all the legal criteria and pass the checks and pass the training, the local Sheriff can still deny you entirely for extralegal reasons. This happens without the requirement for justification to be given for the denial, and without right to appeal.
It was originally designed to keep blacks from owning firearms, so as such its the only law I know of where a constitutional right may be denied, entirely extrajudically, with no transparency and no redress.
-
Which makes it even more infuriating that it is the blue states that have inexplicably rushed back to it.
-
It is still used primarily to keep minorities from gun ownership. However, in places like this it can be used to give licenses just to a Sheriffs donors and business and political allies, and to be bartered for favors and bribes like in this case.


Except in the case of this county, it seems that "may issue" effectively means, "won't issue" as they don't give the sanctioning required for just about anyone to concealed-carry.
 
2020-11-24 7:38:31 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?


In some jurisdictions, the only way to get a conceal carry is to get approval from the sheriff's office. It NEVER leads to bribery. NEVAR.
 
2020-11-24 7:38:37 AM  
Interesting: Apple said it investigated the allegations and found no wrongdoing.
 
2020-11-24 7:40:23 AM  

Dryad: The "May Issue" instead of "Shall Issue" standard.


That is what separates a license from a permit.
 
2020-11-24 7:49:22 AM  
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2020-11-24 7:50:26 AM  
And they threw U2's Songs of Innocence in for free!
 
2020-11-24 7:52:29 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Why do cows need permits?


Because they are being shot even when correctly labeled.
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2020-11-24 7:54:02 AM  
No, 1 iPad Pro and a Magic Keyboard.
 
2020-11-24 7:54:47 AM  
In the article it sounds like Apple offered the bribes because that was known to be how the PD there operates. No payoff, no permit.

So Apple AND the PD people running the CW permitting process are all getting caught at this. It's illegality at both ends.
 
2020-11-24 7:55:05 AM  
Lol.  Most of the south is carry with no restrictions whatsoever.  Because 2nd amendment.  Open, concealed, mentally ill, defending property owners, whatever.  You can find them laying on the ground in the right neighborhoods.  I can't conceive of having to bribe someone for a CCW.  It's the wild wild west on the streets in Kentucky (Louisville).  We are on track to possibly double our highest previous number of murders this year.  (Almost exclusively with small arms.)
The COD4 civilians stuffed into full tac gear are the really creepy ones.
 
2020-11-24 7:55:19 AM  
County Undersheriff Rick Sung and Sheriff's Captain James Jenson are accused of requesting bribes for concealed firearms licenses.
Mr Moyer is accused of offering bribes to get them.


hey we want ipads for these ccws
ok sure
 
2020-11-24 7:55:57 AM  
Guarantee that they are Democratic donors who think CCW permits should be highly restricted.
 
2020-11-24 7:58:52 AM  
The US should start to realize that Apple is one of the most corrupt companies out there. Between child labor, forced obsolescence and not paying taxes, it should be one of the most hated companies in the world.

That said, they have fun commercials and it has a cult following that makes them cool. F Apple.
 
2020-11-24 8:02:35 AM  
Tim Cook stole the Great Pumpkin.
 
2020-11-24 8:05:12 AM  

great_tigers: The US should start to realize that Apple is one of the most corrupt companies out there. Between child labor, forced obsolescence and not paying taxes, it should be one of the most hated companies in the world.


How dare you say that about a company that sells products with smooth edges!
 
2020-11-24 8:07:44 AM  

fnordfocus: Also, of course, no consequences for the cops already earn more than 5x their "subjects" median income but felt the need to solicit bribes anyway.

It's pretty much lose-lose for us scum when one of our heroes in blue demands a bribe. Comply and you die in prison. Don't comply and they kill you or trump up charges anyway.


FTFA: "Two police officers from Santa Clara County, California, have also been charged."
 
2020-11-24 8:11:14 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Why do cows need permits?


You need to prove you can steer a cow before you can own one. It's law that causes a lot of beef.
 
2020-11-24 8:11:39 AM  

cretinbob: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?

Felons


Underage kids.
 
2020-11-24 8:12:38 AM  

johnny_vegas: fnordfocus: Also, of course, no consequences for the cops already earn more than 5x their "subjects" median income but felt the need to solicit bribes anyway.

It's pretty much lose-lose for us scum when one of our heroes in blue demands a bribe. Comply and you die in prison. Don't comply and they kill you or trump up charges anyway.

FTFA: "Two police officers from Santa Clara County, California, have also been charged."


They should be punished severely!

Time off with pay will show them the error of their ways.
 
2020-11-24 8:13:03 AM  
So the only way to get [permit for thing that is legal] is to bribe law enforcement, but if you do so you get in trouble for bribes. Kind of a shiatty situation there.
 
2020-11-24 8:15:35 AM  

ShavedOrangutan: In most CA counties it's nearly impossible to get one.  Santa Barbara is infamous for being completely impossible.


Man, out here in "Idiot Out Wandering Around" country, all you have to do is show up and smile and they practically shove a handgun down your pants*.

*Offer not valid between Nov 18th and Dec 2nd 2020 due to the Rona shutdown.
 
2020-11-24 8:18:23 AM  
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2020-11-24 8:18:34 AM  
Anyone else read that as Applebee's?
 
2020-11-24 8:18:58 AM  
Why not headquarter in a country where on-premise security won't need guns? I mean, if things are that unsafe out there you should move.
 
2020-11-24 8:19:28 AM  

Dryad: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?

The "May Issue" instead of "Shall Issue" standard.
"May Issue" is an old Jim Crow era set of rules where even if you meet all the legal criteria and pass the checks and pass the training, the local Sheriff can still deny you entirely for extralegal reasons. This happens without the requirement for justification to be given for the denial, and without right to appeal.
It was originally designed to keep blacks from owning firearms, so as such its the only law I know of where a constitutional right may be denied, entirely extrajudically, with no transparency and no redress.
-
Which makes it even more infuriating that it is the blue states that have inexplicably rushed back to it.
-
It is still used primarily to keep minorities from gun ownership. However, in places like this it can be used to give licenses just to a Sheriffs donors and business and political allies, and to be bartered for favors and bribes like in this case.


You do know the rule is not keeping you from owning a gun, right?
 
2020-11-24 8:22:40 AM  
I feel for the Apple guys.  It's not like they were asking for something above the law or benefited financially, like someone giving kickbacks on a lucrative government contract. The crooked sheriffs were the instigators and it sounds like there are a lot of guilty parties out there who had to pay to play.  It's like busting the shop owner for paying protection money to the Mob.
 
2020-11-24 8:24:27 AM  

Halfabee64: I feel for the Apple guys.  It's not like they were asking for something above the law or benefited financially, like someone giving kickbacks on a lucrative government contract. The crooked sheriffs were the instigators and it sounds like there are a lot of guilty parties out there who had to pay to play.  It's like busting the shop owner for paying protection money to the Mob.


Yep.  The article pretty clearly makes the case the cops were the ones who demanded a bribe
 
2020-11-24 8:27:22 AM  
Wtf would he need a concealed carry permit for? He's head of global security, not a mook. His job is supervision and strategy and logistics. It's an office job with some travel where other people are protecting him, not the other way around.
 
2020-11-24 8:29:59 AM  

cefm: Wtf would he need a concealed carry permit for? He's head of global security, not a mook. His job is supervision and strategy and logistics. It's an office job with some travel where other people are protecting him, not the other way around.


The permits are for the security team.
 
2020-11-24 8:30:06 AM  

edmo: cretinbob: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: It's the United States of Ammunition; who gets turned down for a CCW?

Felons

Underage kids.


Under age felonious kids?
 
2020-11-24 8:34:51 AM  

great_tigers: The US should start to realize that Apple is one of the most corrupt companies out there. Between child labor, forced obsolescence and not paying taxes, it should be one of the most hated companies in the world.

That said, they have fun commercials and it has a cult following that makes them cool. F Apple.


Actually that is an astute observation. Apple is a wealth extraction machine. I employs practically no one for its size. It outsources everything, allows other to take all the risks, with little of the benefits, and add almost nothing to the American economy while controlling large sections of American life through a rigid vertical integration.
 
2020-11-24 8:44:55 AM  

markie_farkie: He should have established legal residency in Texas.

CCW permits are dispensed like paper towels in gas station restrooms.


So they aren't reciprocated in other states.
 
2020-11-24 8:47:00 AM  
Am I understanding this? It looks like Apple security has been trying to get CCW's for a while but could not. Ultimately he was told if you give us $70,000 worth of iPads, we'll see what we can do about getting things fixed for you. He finally caved in and gave them the iPads, and now he's up on bribery charges? That's kind of farked up
 
2020-11-24 8:48:25 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Why do cows need permits?


Methane emissions!
 
2020-11-24 8:51:04 AM  
Just once, I wish there was a Burberry scandal.
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And not just a crime against fashion.
 
2020-11-24 8:52:10 AM  
If Farkers were serious about police reform they would support eliminating the need for a permit to cary a gun.
 
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