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2020-11-23 12:36:27 PM  
34 votes:
The Republican party needs to be put out of our misery
 
2020-11-23 12:32:14 PM  
29 votes:
Newt's legacy.
 
2020-11-23 2:28:56 PM  
20 votes:
A soft, disorganized coup attempt is still a coup attempt.

They've been suppressing votes for years and stole two SCOTUS picks despite being a minority party. They have told us our voices don't matter, multiple times over.
 
2020-11-23 2:28:25 PM  
14 votes:
"Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
― David Frum
 
2020-11-23 12:50:57 PM  
12 votes:
I actually agree with that premise, but the only thing that's keeping me sane is reflecting back on the arc of the GOP during the past three cycles. In 2008 they were still a relatively sane and legitimate party. Then stirred the beginnings of populism with the Tea Party and letting the inmates out of the asylum, even if just on a day pass, with Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and others who previously would never have been allowed near an electrical socket without a child cover, let alone national political power. By 2012 the GOP was in real trouble, with moderates being driven out and former "rising stars" like Cantor being taken out in primary after primary in a "race to the right". And by 2016, what was left of the former GOP was completely subsumed by Dump and his cult of MAGAs. And just when it looked like that was the worse outcome for the former Grand Old Party, along came Q, gift that just keeps on giving.

Hand to God, I honestly don't know if the GOP will even exist in 2024. They may still call themselves Republicans, but they will essentially just be a neo-fascist party led by Dump. The only way that ends is when he does, as neither of his chinless sons could ever fill his high-heeled shoes, and too many of the MAGA faithful could never bring themselves to follow a woman, even if her last name is Dump.

And if he DOES finally throw a 7 before 2024, then all bets are off. Literally no telling what kind of creatures will crawl out of the woodwork or from under their rocks looking to grab a slice of power. And doubtful that any one of them would be able to consolidate it under their own banner. We may finally get a few viable third parties, but they'll be white nationalists, fascists, libertarians, Q or other conspiracy theory nutters, and evangelical Dominionists.
 
2020-11-23 2:28:55 PM  
10 votes:
Ah, the Republicans are using a disposable test Trump for the experiment.

He's their lab monkey to be used and discarded.

Trump's survival after the experiment is irrelevant.
 
2020-11-23 2:41:43 PM  
9 votes:
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They haven't accepted one in quite a while.
 
2020-11-23 12:57:00 PM  
9 votes:
Beta? They've been doing this since George HW Bush lost.

We're on at least version Sid 6.7

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2020-11-23 2:58:07 PM  
8 votes:

bughunter: The Democratic margins of victory are only going to get larger.  The GOP is farked and they know it.


Republicans have only won the popular vote once since 1992.
 
2020-11-23 3:12:48 PM  
6 votes:

Dryad: RasIanI: The entire past 4 years has been dry run for future authoritarianism. There will be a New Jim Crow, eventually unless they're movement is stopped.

It won't be. They may be enthusiastically 100% for Jim Crow on ideological grounds, but probably the majority of even the left-leaning white middle class is all for either soft support of Jim Crow or for at least quietly looking the other way out of personal necessity.
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Like it or not, Jim Crow is one of the few topics popular on both sides of the political divide. Only one side openly revels in doing so with overtness and cruelty, but both view it as a hard necessity.


That's quite a stretch.

There exist White liberals who suffer from a great deal of privilige-blindness, that's true. But that's a very different thing than an entire big-tent bloc actively maintaining Jim Crow in secret.
 
2020-11-23 2:37:59 PM  
6 votes:
The Democratic margins of victory are only going to get larger.  The GOP is farked and they know it.

You know what might save their party?  Policies that appeal to living voters.  Not being assholes.  Doing something effective about things like climate change, economic disasters, and pandemics.

You know.  Effective governance.  Joining the 21st century.

/does not include packing the judiciary and voter disenfranchisement
//seems unlikely to happen, eh?
 
2020-11-23 12:51:42 PM  
6 votes:
I can't remember the last time Republicans accepted a Democratic victory. Hell, I can't remember the last time Democrats accepted a Democratic victory.
 
2020-11-23 2:54:18 PM  
5 votes:

capn' fun: I actually agree with that premise, but the only thing that's keeping me sane is reflecting back on the arc of the GOP during the past three cycles. In 2008 they were still a relatively sane and legitimate party. Then stirred the beginnings of populism with the Tea Party and letting the inmates out of the asylum, even if just on a day pass, with Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and others who previously would never have been allowed near an electrical socket without a child cover, let alone national political power. By 2012 the GOP was in real trouble, with moderates being driven out and former "rising stars" like Cantor being taken out in primary after primary in a "race to the right". And by 2016, what was left of the former GOP was completely subsumed by Dump and his cult of MAGAs. And just when it looked like that was the worse outcome for the former Grand Old Party, along came Q, gift that just keeps on giving.

Hand to God, I honestly don't know if the GOP will even exist in 2024. They may still call themselves Republicans, but they will essentially just be a neo-fascist party led by Dump. The only way that ends is when he does, as neither of his chinless sons could ever fill his high-heeled shoes, and too many of the MAGA faithful could never bring themselves to follow a woman, even if her last name is Dump.

And if he DOES finally throw a 7 before 2024, then all bets are off. Literally no telling what kind of creatures will crawl out of the woodwork or from under their rocks looking to grab a slice of power. And doubtful that any one of them would be able to consolidate it under their own banner. We may finally get a few viable third parties, but they'll be white nationalists, fascists, libertarians, Q or other conspiracy theory nutters, and evangelical Dominionists.


I'm not so sure about all that. Remember that Trump actually GREW his base this election, in terms of total numbers. I think we're seeing a fascist movement rising, not falling.
 
2020-11-23 3:20:45 PM  
4 votes:

Shaggy_C: "Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
― David Frum


This right here. The Republicans noticed they were having a hard time getting elected following the rules so they broke the rules. Once breaking the rules got harder to do, they turned the system on itself. Once they can longer twist the system to create an outcome, they will switch to a new system.

They may still call is democracy or freedom but it's all just a boot on the face, forever.
 
2020-11-23 2:52:52 PM  
4 votes:

Groupon boob job: Fonaibung: A soft, disorganized coup attempt is still a coup attempt.

They've been suppressing votes for years and stole two SCOTUS picks despite being a minority party. They have told us our voices don't matter, multiple times over.

While I agree with you and hate the GOP with all my being, I will note that however you slice it, 2 of the 3 SCOTUS appointments were legit. Kennedy retired mid-term so there's no argument there. As for the Scalia and Ginsberg deaths, the GOP either robbed Obama or they robbed Biden. If they adhered to a single set of rules, we still would have gotten only one of those picks.


I see what you're saying, and I disagree. Take McConnell's reasoning during 2016 at face value: Ginsberg died a month before the election. The right thing to do would be to let the winner of the election pick.

Garland was early in 2016 and was simply stolen.
 
2020-11-23 2:39:25 PM  
4 votes:

capn' fun: Hand to God, I honestly don't know if the GOP will even exist in 2024. They may still call themselves Republicans, but they will essentially just be a neo-fascist party led by Dump.


Yes, but as we have seen that will probably drive higher participation and voter turnout than ever before.
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/The problem is not that GOP is openly fascist, its that fascism is proving more attractive to Americans than Democracy
 
2020-11-23 2:30:09 PM  
4 votes:
Fortunately, reality is not something that needs to give a fark what Republicans think.

As the 'rona has been proving since March. And emphasizing in the weeks just after the election.

It shouldn't matter what Republicans think and our country would be much better off if we'd stop pretending that it does.
 
2020-11-23 2:28:03 PM  
4 votes:
A lot of Democrats are still stewing over 2000 and 2016.

Count the votes, deal with any recounts or discrepancies as needed, and accept the results.  It's not that damn hard.  If you want more votes, come up with better candidates and better ideas.
 
2020-11-23 2:53:03 PM  
3 votes:
The entire past 4 years has been dry run for future authoritarianism. There will be a New Jim Crow, eventually unless they're movement is stopped.
 
2020-11-23 2:39:09 PM  
3 votes:

Groupon boob job: Fonaibung: A soft, disorganized coup attempt is still a coup attempt.

They've been suppressing votes for years and stole two SCOTUS picks despite being a minority party. They have told us our voices don't matter, multiple times over.

While I agree with you and hate the GOP with all my being, I will note that however you slice it, 2 of the 3 SCOTUS appointments were legit. Kennedy retired mid-term so there's no argument there. As for the Scalia and Ginsberg deaths, the GOP either robbed Obama or they robbed Biden. If they adhered to a single set of rules, we still would have gotten only one of those picks.


Kennedy retired so he could avoid looking really *really* bad since his son was part of Deutsche Bank.
 
2020-11-23 2:36:01 PM  
3 votes:

Fonaibung: A soft, disorganized coup attempt is still a coup attempt.

They've been suppressing votes for years and stole two SCOTUS picks despite being a minority party. They have told us our voices don't matter, multiple times over.


While I agree with you and hate the GOP with all my being, I will note that however you slice it, 2 of the 3 SCOTUS appointments were legit. Kennedy retired mid-term so there's no argument there. As for the Scalia and Ginsberg deaths, the GOP either robbed Obama or they robbed Biden. If they adhered to a single set of rules, we still would have gotten only one of those picks.
 
2020-11-23 2:28:07 PM  
3 votes:

AdmirableSnackbar: I can't remember the last time Republicans accepted a Democratic victory. Hell, I can't remember the last time Democrats accepted a Democratic victory.


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2020-11-23 3:12:16 PM  
2 votes:
2016:  Yes, yes, Democrats won the popular vote, but the ELECTORAL vote its what matters.

2020:  Yes, yes, Democrats won the electoral vote, but the state ELECTORAL BOARD CERTIFICATION vote is what matters.

2024:  Yes, yes, Democrats won the state electoral board certification vote, but the @TRUMP_TV_Paler_Poll is what matters.
 
2020-11-23 2:43:13 PM  
2 votes:

Erebus1954: Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Joe Biden should not concede the 2020 presidential election "under any circumstances,"


[...]"because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is."
 
2020-11-23 2:43:12 PM  
2 votes:

AdmirableSnackbar: I can't remember the last time Republicans accepted a Democratic victory. Hell, I can't remember the last time Democrats accepted a Democratic victory.


They two parties aren't at all the same.
The Republicans job is to attack, obstruct, and delegitimize -ALL- Democrats.
The Democrats job is to attack, obstruct, and delegitimize only the Democrats that win.
 
2020-11-23 2:36:15 PM  
2 votes:
WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Joe Biden should not concede the 2020 presidential election "under any circumstances," anticipating issues that could prolong knowing the final outcome.

NBC News in August
 
2020-11-23 5:38:53 PM  
1 vote:

phaseolus: Dryad: RasIanI: The entire past 4 years has been dry run for future authoritarianism. There will be a New Jim Crow, eventually unless they're movement is stopped.

It won't be. They may be enthusiastically 100% for Jim Crow on ideological grounds, but probably the majority of even the left-leaning white middle class is all for either soft support of Jim Crow or for at least quietly looking the other way out of personal necessity.
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Like it or not, Jim Crow is one of the few topics popular on both sides of the political divide. Only one side openly revels in doing so with overtness and cruelty, but both view it as a hard necessity.

That's quite a stretch.

There exist White liberals who suffer from a great deal of privilige-blindness, that's true. But that's a very different thing than an entire big-tent bloc actively maintaining Jim Crow in secret.


Its quite easy to see if you are -not- a suburban white. But most here are, so I expect a lot of privilege blindness on Fark so I will give you some homework;
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Go find any group of suburban moms, ones that support all sorts of soft liberal general goals like civil rights and police brutality. They may even support BLM.
Now start asking specific policy questions. Get to education. Se if they support equal education for minorities. Of course they do.
Now point out, or wait until one of them points out, that if everyone has equally distributed funding and skilled teachers, it means little Jayden/Brayden/Kaydens suburban school won't be special anymore and get 5x the funding per student of of the average urban school.
Then watch a group of soft liberals go full 'Grizzly Mom' real quick.
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/Equality as an idea works until they realize equality means giving up some of their privilege.
//Middle class is already feeling the pinch and barely holding on. They will underbus ANYONE just to keep hanging on.
///Also, note that the ones who do want minorities treated equally still means in THOSE neighborhoods. Separate but equal. None of them like PoC brutalized, but no suburban whites are inviting them into thier gated community either.
 
2020-11-23 4:13:47 PM  
1 vote:
This is all just a beta test for when the Republicans will just never accept a Democratic victory

Are we there yet?

/I thought we were
 
2020-11-23 4:10:25 PM  
1 vote:

capn' fun: I actually agree with that premise, but the only thing that's keeping me sane is reflecting back on the arc of the GOP during the past three cycles. In 2008 they were still a relatively sane and legitimate party. Then stirred the beginnings of populism with the Tea Party and letting the inmates out of the asylum, even if just on a day pass, with Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and others who previously would never have been allowed near an electrical socket without a child cover, let alone national political power. By 2012 the GOP was in real trouble, with moderates being driven out and former "rising stars" like Cantor being taken out in primary after primary in a "race to the right". And by 2016, what was left of the former GOP was completely subsumed by Dump and his cult of MAGAs. And just when it looked like that was the worse outcome for the former Grand Old Party, along came Q, gift that just keeps on giving.

Hand to God, I honestly don't know if the GOP will even exist in 2024. They may still call themselves Republicans, but they will essentially just be a neo-fascist party led by Dump. The only way that ends is when he does, as neither of his chinless sons could ever fill his high-heeled shoes, and too many of the MAGA faithful could never bring themselves to follow a woman, even if her last name is Dump.

And if he DOES finally throw a 7 before 2024, then all bets are off. Literally no telling what kind of creatures will crawl out of the woodwork or from under their rocks looking to grab a slice of power. And doubtful that any one of them would be able to consolidate it under their own banner. We may finally get a few viable third parties, but they'll be white nationalists, fascists, libertarians, Q or other conspiracy theory nutters, and evangelical Dominionists.


I don't really care what they're called and whether it's the end of the GOP as we know it, the problem is there are at least 65 million of them. It's not like they're going to all stop being reactionary morons if and when the GOP liquidates. What does it change on the operational level?
 
2020-11-23 3:08:35 PM  
1 vote:

MikeyFuccon: They actually just want to win elections.


They're showing that they don't have to.
 
2020-11-23 3:06:27 PM  
1 vote:

Dryad: RasIanI: The entire past 4 years has been dry run for future authoritarianism. There will be a New Jim Crow, eventually unless they're movement is stopped.

It won't be. They may be enthusiastically 100% for Jim Crow on ideological grounds, but probably the majority of even the left-leaning white middle class is all for either soft support of Jim Crow or for at least quietly looking the other way out of personal necessity.
-
Like it or not, Jim Crow is one of the few topics popular on both sides of the political divide. Only one side openly revels in doing so with overtness and cruelty, but both view it as a hard necessity.


Lol
 
2020-11-23 2:55:26 PM  
1 vote:
It's only recast as a beta test now that the bugs in the code are too numerous.

This has been a genuine coup attempt by shiat-tier incoherent garbage... and it nearly worked. Next time, they will  bring their shiat-tier *incompetent* garbage, so we'd better be ready.
 
2020-11-23 2:47:53 PM  
1 vote:

notmyjab: [Fark user image 447x640]


I suspect that one of his many excuses in the coming weeks will be that he will never 'concede' but will 'allow' Joe Biden to become President 'for the good of the nation' while he takes a four-year break to golf, tweet, and lust after Ivanka.
 
2020-11-23 2:47:30 PM  
1 vote:
Which would would be clear and unambiguous grounds for open armed revolt, and thus the end of the UNited States of America

And so it goes
 
2020-11-23 2:40:39 PM  
1 vote:

bughunter: The Democratic margins of victory are only going to get larger.  The GOP is farked and they know it.

You know what might save their party?  Policies that appeal to living voters.  Not being assholes.  Doing something effective about things like climate change, economic disasters, and pandemics.

You know.  Effective governance.  Joining the 21st century.

/does not include packing the judiciary and voter disenfranchisement
//seems unlikely to happen, eh?


This is true. Progressives will be able to punt at the nightmare that was Trump for a generation and say, "See what happens when you don't vote?"

I think giving the keys to that orange fool gave them some short term gains but in the long run I bet it farks then.
 
2020-11-23 2:37:33 PM  
1 vote:
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2020-11-23 2:30:59 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Republican party needs to be put out of our misery


The problem is that the bigots, the bumpkins, the knuckle-draggers, the god-botherers, those with a less than 60 IQ, NASCAR-watchers, tobacco chewers, mouth-breathers, FOX News fans, Coors Lite-drinkers, pickup-truck drivers, old bikers, unemployed steel workers and conspiracy-theorists just farkin' LOVE the Greedy Old Pigs.
 
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