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2020-11-21 9:51:09 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: False dilemma

We can follow guidelines *and* call out politicians for being hypocritical pieces of crap. Like my Mayor who took to the streets to celebrate with the crowd of Biden supporters, often seen with a mask around her neck instead of being worn.

While otherwise condemning other politicians for not acting appropriately and taking covid seriously enough, and telling us peasants to stay at home and socially distance.


Sorry, replace "whine about how the politicians are hypocrites" with "use politicians being hypocrites as justification for doing nothing".
 
2020-11-21 9:51:56 PM  
I ONLY listen to Dr. Fauci.
 
2020-11-21 9:53:33 PM  

FormlessOne: I don't care about your politics. I don't want you to contract COVID-19. I don't want you to become ill. I don't want you to suffer long-term debilitation. I don't want you to die.

Please, for fark's sake, stop listening to people who do - people who believe that furthering this harm somehow betters or enriches their own situations, and so want you to ignore the CDC, the WHO, the scientists and the experts.

Stay home, if at all possible. If you can't stay home, wear a mask, practice social distancing, and carry hand sanitizer with you. If you have to bring stuff back home, practice sterile procedure. If you have to let people who don't live in your home into your home, ensure that they wear a mask, practice social distancing, and use hand sanitizer.

Don't be "paranoid," but do be aware of the risks involved, especially if you or anyone with whom you're in regular contact is in one of the high-risk groups. Don't be fearful; be responsible. You are now responsible not just for your own health, but for the health of those for whom you love & care. Don't be an idiot.


I appreciate your efforts, but please stop telling people not to be paranoid. If you touch your nose/mouth/eye one time when you shouldn't, you're infected and possibly dead. Let someone without a mask on (maybe even with?) talk one inch too close to you even if you're wearing a mask and a droplet hits your eyeball, you're infected and possibly dead. And several more possibilities where if you make one wrong move, you're infected and possibly dead.

If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention. Be paranoid. Be paranoid as fark. It'll keep you uninfected and not dead.

And for deity-of-your-choice's sake, DO NOT let anyone that doesn't live in your home come into your home NO MATTER WHAT.
 
2020-11-21 9:57:10 PM  
That link doesn't work for people outside the U.S. - but it appears to go to CNN, not Fox
 
2020-11-21 9:59:22 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I think everyone should be mocking the CDC's guidelines. Has anyone actually looked at them?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-n​cov/daily-life-coping/holidays/thanksg​iving.html

It's basically a joke. 'Hey it's safer not to get together, but if you will just, ya know, wash your hands and don't spit in the food...'

"Don't drink and drive, but if you choose too here are some tips... Remember to wear your seatbelt and turn on your headlights. Try to pull over while vomiting."


I guess they're trying to leave something in there for the people that are going to have Thanksgiving no matter what they say. But if those people are going to ignore the CDC's pleas to stay home, they're going to ignore the CDC's "if you HAVE to" advice on mitigating risk.
 
2020-11-21 10:01:26 PM  

Skeleton Man: stop telling people not to be paranoid. If you touch your nose/mouth/eye one time when you shouldn't, you're infected and possibly dead.


Possibly dead?

This thing clearly has at least an 80% mortality rate based on the reportage.

The only ones surviving it are evil orange emperors and academy award winning actors.
 
2020-11-21 10:07:09 PM  
The virus isn't lethal enough.  If people were dropping like flies across all ages and demographics, there wouldn't be any debate.  It's selectively lethal, and therefore selectively ignorable.  It's unfortunate, but it's also human nature.

Add your uniquely American individualism to that heady cocktail and here we are.

That said, Fox news is disturbing even in soundbite segments.  No wonder you guys have problems with that stuff running 24/7.

Echo chambers do cultural damage on the left and the right, but damn.  If I only had remedial education and that network was my only source of information, I might have voted for Trump as well.
 
2020-11-21 10:08:34 PM  
Like subby ever cared.  I'm as concerned about Thanksgiving dinner as Gavin Newsom and the people at the French Laundry, or Chuck Schumer and the people he danced around with, etc.

It's similar to how my concern level over climate change matches that of the Obama family when they bought a multi million dollar home on Martha's Vineyard.
 
2020-11-21 10:20:22 PM  
And what a lot of people don't seem to understand is your freedom ends when it endangers others.

Your freedom doesn't include putting others at risk.
 
2020-11-21 10:21:35 PM  

Circusdog320: 3 weeks after thanksgiving

Why didn't you tell us?!!? Grandma and little Billy are dead now!


She wouldn't have made it past Christmas eve anyway.
 
2020-11-21 10:22:50 PM  

pedrop357: It's similar to how my concern level over climate change matches that of the Obama family when they bought a multi million dollar home on Martha's Vineyard


They can afford to move and buy another one when the water rises. So much for that argument.
 
2020-11-21 10:27:36 PM  

FlyingBacon: Fark_Guy_Rob: I think everyone should be mocking the CDC's guidelines. Has anyone actually looked at them?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-n​cov/daily-life-coping/holidays/thanksg​iving.html

It's basically a joke. 'Hey it's safer not to get together, but if you will just, ya know, wash your hands and don't spit in the food...'

"Don't drink and drive, but if you choose too here are some tips... Remember to wear your seatbelt and turn on your headlights. Try to pull over while vomiting."

CDC and WHO been all over the map since day one.


Right, and I mean... I get it... They know people won't listen if they just say, "Don't do it" so they are trying to minimize the risk... But meh

It's frustrating, IMHO
 
2020-11-21 10:28:25 PM  
Good. Go for it.  Why are we trying so hard to prevent the people who wish us dead from killing themselves?
 
2020-11-21 10:33:43 PM  
I remember them mocking and laughing at Joe Biden for wearing a mask. Shameful.
 
2020-11-21 10:33:44 PM  

pedrop357: I'm as concerned about Thanksgiving dinner as Gavin Newsom and the people at the French Laundry


We cancelled our big Thanksgiving gathering because our 20 and 30-something kids, nieces, nephews and grandkids are all completely freaked out over Covid.

None of them have ever known adversity of any sort up until now, so I kind of get it.

We could have had a T-Giving dinner and distanced far better than Newsom and his crowd did, but the younger people in our family would have been placed unnecessarily on edge, or would have felt guilty about not showing up in the first place, so we let them off the hook about a week ago.

As an alternative, us Olds are getting together for a secret small gathering, and the kids aren't invited.
 
2020-11-21 10:41:09 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Good. Go for it.  Why are we trying so hard to prevent the people who wish us dead from killing themselves?


Only for the collateral damage they'll likely inflict. No other reason.
 
2020-11-21 10:46:22 PM  

mainsail: Aussie_As: mainsail: I still have to wonder why conservatives want the population sick/dead. Who benefits from this?

The non-renewable energy sector worth trillions in the US and a massive supporter of the Republican Party.

Think it through.

You can't start blindly accepting science like public health virology when you've been engaged in a generation-long trashing of science which is in any way different to the science your granddaddy knew.

The fact your granddaddy might actually have lived in the time of the Spanish Flu when public health policy was found to be far superior in managing the situation than populist bullshiat is irrelevant.

And how does that explain the UK and Johnson? Only now with pressure from the population is the UK really trying anything (thumb-fingers all the way).


I'm guessing BoJo completely miscalculatled. He wanted a booming economy to prove Brexit was harmless and missed a chance to shut down, lock down and then blame COVID for any and all Brexit related economic costs.

BoJo is an idiot. He cherry picks science and he plays to the lowest common denominator. I'm betting he wishes he could go back a year and handle COVID correctly because it actually would have solved him more problems than it's caused.
 
2020-11-21 10:47:25 PM  
"No one could have predicted this".

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2020-11-21 10:56:18 PM  
I am not going anywhere, but jesus, fark acts like this thing has a 90% fatality rate. Sorry, but the population of antimaskers is really not going to decline because of Thanksgiving
 
2020-11-21 10:58:43 PM  
Ok, folks let's try to be better here.
 
2020-11-21 11:02:20 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Too bad there are so many like you around here.


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2020-11-21 11:03:06 PM  
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2020-11-21 11:04:27 PM  
Subby's right: fark 'em. Let them watch their loved-ones die of an entirely preventable ilness. Let them spend their final hours or days gasping for breath as their lungs slowly fill with fluid.
 
2020-11-21 11:09:09 PM  

aungen: Circusdog320: 3 weeks after thanksgiving

Why didn't you tell us?!!? Grandma and little Billy are dead now!

In July, in Texas, there was a graph showing the spike from the 4th of July on the 17th.  So it took about 13 days to really hit home from that community spread event.  It was a REALLY narrow spike.  People who got sick enough to end up in the hospital, took 13 days to get that bad.  Then on July 27th, we saw a massive spike in the death rate.  So about 10 days after admission to die.  It was a Google News covid tracker for Texas, but by August it was really clear and easy to see the trend.

Based on those numbers, I expect 13 days after Thanksgiving to be a real test of the hospitals, and 10 days after that to be a real test of the morgues.  Though I am skeptical of the narrow'ness of the bands in that data.  that was a super-tight spike on both the 17th and 27th.

Usually a spike that narrow means a certain type of infection, or a certain type of person getting it that is fairly well represented in the population.


The July 27 death rate spike was due to a change in how data were reported.  A super spreader event on a single day can't create spikes that narrow.  There is a wide distribution in time from infection to testing positive, and a wide distribution for that to deaths. Convolving those responses smears out any particular event over a number of weeks; it won't look sharp in the time series.
 
2020-11-21 11:11:54 PM  

FlyingBacon: Fark_Guy_Rob: I think everyone should be mocking the CDC's guidelines. Has anyone actually looked at them?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-n​cov/daily-life-coping/holidays/thanksg​iving.html

It's basically a joke. 'Hey it's safer not to get together, but if you will just, ya know, wash your hands and don't spit in the food...'

"Don't drink and drive, but if you choose too here are some tips... Remember to wear your seatbelt and turn on your headlights. Try to pull over while vomiting."

CDC and WHO been all over the map since day one.


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2020-11-21 11:13:08 PM  

mainsail: I still have to wonder why conservatives want the population sick/dead. Who benefits from this?


Smart people. They're culling the herd all by themselves.
 
2020-11-21 11:13:44 PM  

doomjesse: FormlessOne: I don't care about your politics. I don't want you to contract COVID-19. I don't want you to become ill. I don't want you to suffer long-term debilitation. I don't want you to die.

Please, for fark's sake, stop listening to people who do - people who believe that furthering this harm somehow betters or enriches their own situations, and so want you to ignore the CDC, the WHO, the scientists and the experts.

Stay home, if at all possible. If you can't stay home, wear a mask, practice social distancing, and carry hand sanitizer with you. If you have to bring stuff back home, practice sterile procedure. If you have to let people who don't live in your home into your home, ensure that they wear a mask, practice social distancing, and use hand sanitizer.

Don't be "paranoid," but do be aware of the risks involved, especially if you or anyone with whom you're in regular contact is in one of the high-risk groups. Don't be fearful; be responsible. You are now responsible not just for your own health, but for the health of those for whom you love & care. Don't be an idiot.

You know what?  I used to think like you...Then in August while people were out ignoring the guidelines this happened: Nearly 10% of postal workers (my coworkers) nationwide have tested positive for COVID-19.  Now we're well past that.  Now I'm ready to watch it burn.  You don't want to follow guidelines?  Fine.  But don't ask for any help when the economy is toast, when even those with money can't buy proper care, and enjoy that Turkey, because who knows if you'll be intubated by Christmas.


I have my low moments as well. Even in my anger and frustration, I wish they would do what was right. I struggle sometimes, trying to remember that they're still farking humans, and there are days where I'd farking strangle their mouthpieces with nary a qualm as I looked in their eyes while they passed from this world.

But, it does no one any good. Eye for an eye & eventually the whole world's blind, as the saying (I think) goes. It's hard to remember - I've had two bottles of wine, to quell the anxiety & agoraphobia, and I'm going to uncork at least one more tonight before I try to sleep - but if I had my druthers, I'd like them to live and learn. I want them to rejoin the human race; to feel sympathy and empathy, to understand that their needs are trivial compared to what's needed right now, to feel a greater allegiance to America and to humanity as a whole.

You won't hear me argue with your point of view. I just wish we hadn't gotten to this point, and I want more for us.
 
2020-11-21 11:16:38 PM  

Deathbymombasa: If you are living your life being afraid you might die, then you are already dead.


The fear that you might die is what keeps you alive.  Without fear you would die very young.

RonRon893: Um... you DO understand that POC aren't somehow more infectious or catch Covid easier than white people right? They are disproportionately impacted because they have fewer viable treatment options if they catch it and are less likely to work in jobs that can be done remotely so are more likely to encounter someone who is infected.


I used to note quite a discrepancy in mask behavior between POC and white people.  There isn't as much of a pattern anymore and to my considerable surprise the hispanic market we get most of our produce from has pretty good compliance.

FlyingBacon: CDC and WHO been all over the map since day one.


The CDC is being hampered by His Flatulence.  Any time they try to tell the truth he orders them to lie.

Skeleton Man: If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention. Be paranoid. Be paranoid as fark. It'll keep you uninfected and not dead.


Yup.  As a programmer I have found it very useful when writing concurrent code to pretend that Moriarty is in control of the scheduler, making sure things run at exactly the "wrong" time.
 
2020-11-21 11:20:12 PM  
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2020-11-21 11:23:09 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I never knew how literal this would end up being:

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Is that cross on fire?
 
2020-11-21 11:28:14 PM  

toraque: FlyingBacon: Fark_Guy_Rob: I think everyone should be mocking the CDC's guidelines. Has anyone actually looked at them?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-n​cov/daily-life-coping/holidays/thanksg​iving.html

It's basically a joke. 'Hey it's safer not to get together, but if you will just, ya know, wash your hands and don't spit in the food...'

"Don't drink and drive, but if you choose too here are some tips... Remember to wear your seatbelt and turn on your headlights. Try to pull over while vomiting."

CDC and WHO been all over the map since day one.

Please give examples.


You haven't been paying attention.
 
2020-11-21 11:33:04 PM  

Loren: I used to note quite a discrepancy in mask behavior between POC and white people.


I still do.

Worked on a riot repair site (a shoe store) in North Minneapolis with about 10 black people over the better part of this last week, and I (the one white dude) was the only one wearing a mask consistently. I'd have taken mine off too (when in Rome, you know), but my clients insist on me keeping it on.

And to be fair, about half of those 10 people had their masks on, it was just under their chin, noses and mouths largely exposed.

Besides not bothering with a mask, the manager even extended his hand for me to shake, which I accepted.

It'd been a long time since that happened, and I realized just how much I missed it.
 
2020-11-21 11:34:42 PM  
Mmm popcorn.
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/lol
 
2020-11-21 11:41:29 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Ragin' Asian: Ragin' Asian: Just sanitize you're dildo before you let your parents use it.

Your

It's not your/you're dildo, it's *A* dildo


Is that like when a child takes something that isn't theirs and you say "no, not yours" and snatch it away?

/snatch
 
2020-11-21 11:51:50 PM  
I'm starting to think every time there is a Pandemic Porn headline greened the mods simultaneously:

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/Canceled our big thanksgiving
//Everyone understood and were ok with it
//Conservative AND voted for Trump (OMG11!!!11!!DIAF)
 
2020-11-21 11:53:08 PM  

Aussie_As: I'm guessing BoJo completely miscalculatled.


He treated it as a PR problem to be stepped around.
 
2020-11-21 11:54:49 PM  

Chinesenookiefactory: You all biatch about Trump, but his approach to the covid vaccine (Private industry competition) is why we are on the cusp of two vaccines being released.


What does he have to do with the German company that was founded by Turkish immigrants that had the first breakthrough? Pfizer, let us remember, is merely the manufacturer, they did not actually develop the vaccine.
 
2020-11-21 11:58:19 PM  
In other news: Fox remains evil.
 
2020-11-21 11:58:47 PM  

Chinesenookiefactory: You all biatch about Trump, but his approach to the covid vaccine (Private industry competition) is why we are on the cusp of two vaccines being released.

Also, for all you progressives dancing in the streets right now, get back to me when gas is $5.00 and the economy is wrecked.

Oh....that will be Trump's fault too.

Morons.


If, as you say, the economy is wrecked, gas will be under a buck. That's how that works
 
2020-11-22 12:09:46 AM  

o4tuna: Seriously, could someone please explain to me how this is different from yelling "FIRE!" In a crowded theater?


This is more like yelling,, "Stay in your seats!  Fire isn't dangerous!" in a crowded theater that is actually on fire, while trying to block the exits.
 
2020-11-22 12:17:45 AM  

mainsail: I still have to wonder why conservatives want the population sick/dead. Who benefits from this?


There are people that are only concerned about the death rate and nothing else. They all like to make the  point that because death rate is low we can go about our business without restrictions.
They don't care about the people that  have died, They don't care about the people that have been hospitalized. They don't care that the health system is overwhelmed.
 
2020-11-22 12:22:26 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Chinesenookiefactory: You all biatch about Trump, but his approach to the covid vaccine (Private industry competition) is why we are on the cusp of two vaccines being released.

Also, for all you progressives dancing in the streets right now, get back to me when gas is $5.00 and the economy is wrecked.

Oh....that will be Trump's fault too.

Morons.

One day if you mature emotionally, you will realize that the orange man really was bad. Until then, no one can help you.


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2020-11-22 12:26:58 AM  

Ambitwistor: aungen: Circusdog320: 3 weeks after thanksgiving

Why didn't you tell us?!!? Grandma and little Billy are dead now!

In July, in Texas, there was a graph showing the spike from the 4th of July on the 17th.  So it took about 13 days to really hit home from that community spread event.  It was a REALLY narrow spike.  People who got sick enough to end up in the hospital, took 13 days to get that bad.  Then on July 27th, we saw a massive spike in the death rate.  So about 10 days after admission to die.  It was a Google News covid tracker for Texas, but by August it was really clear and easy to see the trend.

Based on those numbers, I expect 13 days after Thanksgiving to be a real test of the hospitals, and 10 days after that to be a real test of the morgues.  Though I am skeptical of the narrow'ness of the bands in that data.  that was a super-tight spike on both the 17th and 27th.

Usually a spike that narrow means a certain type of infection, or a certain type of person getting it that is fairly well represented in the population.

The July 27 death rate spike was due to a change in how data were reported.  A super spreader event on a single day can't create spikes that narrow.  There is a wide distribution in time from infection to testing positive, and a wide distribution for that to deaths. Convolving those responses smears out any particular event over a number of weeks; it won't look sharp in the time series.


I knew something was wrong with that.  But the same thing happened after Labor Day.  Did that also coincide with a change in how it was reported?  Because that's not enough for me to discount it, yet.  We have a similar 12-14 day spike in Oakland County Michigan that I didn't mention.  May 22 everything reopens.  Sudden massive spike of hospitalizations on June 5th.  It seems less likely that we consistently wait until 14 days after an event to change reporting procedure, and more likely that something is happening.

Plus, if you hop over to the death spikes, they pop about 10 days after.  Again, that doesn't seem like reporting, it seems more like a natural conclusion of the hospitalization wave.

We will see if something pops December 8th or so.  If we see a sudden 20-foot-wave around then, we've got a gap nailed down well enough for me to suggest stocking up supplies and scheduling additional hospital workers for January 12-14th.  I'd rather a few people go home early when it doesn't show, than be completely overwhelmed.

Assuming we don't see a few Hospitals go down under the mid-December wave.
 
2020-11-22 12:27:17 AM  
Did they also mock the recommendation not to drink a fifth of cheap scotch and go for a drive after Thanksgiving dinner?  Those lane lines are more of a guideline than a rule, and only beta cucks wear seat belts.  Wooo!
 
2020-11-22 12:37:06 AM  

aungen: Ambitwistor: aungen: Circusdog320: 3 weeks after thanksgiving

Why didn't you tell us?!!? Grandma and little Billy are dead now!

In July, in Texas, there was a graph showing the spike from the 4th of July on the 17th.  So it took about 13 days to really hit home from that community spread event.  It was a REALLY narrow spike.  People who got sick enough to end up in the hospital, took 13 days to get that bad.  Then on July 27th, we saw a massive spike in the death rate.  So about 10 days after admission to die.  It was a Google News covid tracker for Texas, but by August it was really clear and easy to see the trend.

Based on those numbers, I expect 13 days after Thanksgiving to be a real test of the hospitals, and 10 days after that to be a real test of the morgues.  Though I am skeptical of the narrow'ness of the bands in that data.  that was a super-tight spike on both the 17th and 27th.

Usually a spike that narrow means a certain type of infection, or a certain type of person getting it that is fairly well represented in the population.

The July 27 death rate spike was due to a change in how data were reported.  A super spreader event on a single day can't create spikes that narrow.  There is a wide distribution in time from infection to testing positive, and a wide distribution for that to deaths. Convolving those responses smears out any particular event over a number of weeks; it won't look sharp in the time series.

I knew something was wrong with that.  But the same thing happened after Labor Day.  Did that also coincide with a change in how it was reported?  Because that's not enough for me to discount it, yet.  We have a similar 12-14 day spike in Oakland County Michigan that I didn't mention.  May 22 everything reopens.  Sudden massive spike of hospitalizations on June 5th.  It seems less likely that we consistently wait until 14 days after an event to change reporting procedure, and more likely that something is happening.

Plus, if you hop over to the death spikes, they pop about 10 days after.  Again, that doesn't seem like reporting, it seems more like a natural conclusion of the hospitalization wave.

We will see if something pops December 8th or so.  If we see a sudden 20-foot-wave around then, we've got a gap nailed down well enough for me to suggest stocking up supplies and scheduling additional hospital workers for January 12-14th.  I'd rather a few people go home early when it doesn't show, than be completely overwhelmed.

Assuming we don't see a few Hospitals go down under the mid-December wave.


I'm not familiar with what's going on everywhere, but the September 22 spike in Texas is also a data artifact, as Harris County dumped their whole backlog of unreported cases on one day.

In general, you will see cases go up a couple weeks after a spreading event, but as I said, it will show up smeared out over time, not localized over a couple of days.  Usually really sharp features have to do with reporting.
 
2020-11-22 12:54:53 AM  
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2020-11-22 12:56:46 AM  
Please just let them gather and die in peace.
Darwin needs space to do his good works and you had better give these fools a wide berth.
And sorry about the collateral damage.
HSM


PS

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

PPS

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men, you just can't reach.
So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it.
Well, he gets it.
And I don't like it anymore than you men.

I don't like it but I understand the necessity and inevitability of it.
 
2020-11-22 1:03:43 AM  

geekbikerskum: If they were only placing themselves at risk, in the manner of motorcyclists who insist on riding without a helmet "because freedom"


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2020-11-22 1:09:34 AM  

bobbyjoebobby: Maybe newsome shouldn't eat out at a fancy restaurant. Maybe Pelosi shouldn't go to a salon.

Rules for thee, not for me.

Hypocrisy is the true problem.


Maybe he's eating out Pelosi?
 
2020-11-22 1:11:22 AM  

BrianGriffin: It's one Thanksgiving in a lifetime of them, same as Xmas. Just let it go. Next year will be here soon enough.

Actually, fark it. Get Covid...spread it to your Trump supporting family members, and farkin' die. Hand us the the Senate, the House, every state's governoship and state house/senate. We'll be overjoyed to have unilateral control. Enjoy the stuffing, arseholes.


Your mascot is an ass.
 
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