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(Politico (Europe))   "We are at a crossroads and nobody knows where this is leading...We will continue with consultations, but at a certain point in time, the Hungarians will have to show their cards on the table. Otherwise we are in deep shiat"   (politico.eu) divider line
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2020-11-17 9:01:28 AM  
Maybe it will lead to an epic guitar battle with Steve Vai.
 
2020-11-17 12:39:58 PM  
Ok Wow that's an actual quote.
 
2020-11-17 5:57:42 PM  
Hungary and Poland blocked the package ... citing opposition to a new mechanism that would allow the EU to cut off funds to a country found to be violating the rule of law in certain circumstances tied to the budget.

"We want the money but we don't want you to know what we do with it"
 
2020-11-17 6:23:21 PM  
The EU really needs to consider kicking Hungary and Poland out, then using the welfare money they've been giving them to beef up the military in areas bordering those states.
 
2020-11-17 7:44:38 PM  
It has been about 20 minutes since somebody invaded Poland.
 
2020-11-17 7:45:03 PM  
Interesting times are interesting.

EU is at a crossroads exacerbated by this pandemic and the simultaneous economic collapses in member states which will make the next few years even more interesting.
 
2020-11-17 7:46:11 PM  
The two countries also signaled that they are withholding political support for the bloc's €1.074 trillion seven-year budget, which is due to start on January 1. Officials were quick to point out that the budget-and-recovery package includes tens of billions for Hungary and Poland, essentially accusing Budapest and Warsaw of harming their own citizens.

I will never understand people who dislike others so much they're willing to hurt themselves out of spite.
 
2020-11-17 7:47:33 PM  

whither_apophis: Hungary and Poland blocked the package ... citing opposition to a new mechanism that would allow the EU to cut off funds to a country found to be violating the rule of law in certain circumstances tied to the budget.

"We want the money but we don't want you to know what we do with it"


Is it really that or do they not want to be held to EU standards?

"We want the money but we also want to be authoritarian pricks."
 
2020-11-17 7:48:37 PM  
Yeah, fuq these guys.
Fuq'em
 
2020-11-17 7:48:55 PM  

karl2025: The two countries also signaled that they are withholding political support for the bloc's €1.074 trillion seven-year budget, which is due to start on January 1. Officials were quick to point out that the budget-and-recovery package includes tens of billions for Hungary and Poland, essentially accusing Budapest and Warsaw of harming their own citizens.

I will never understand people who dislike others so much they're willing to hurt themselves out of spite.


Welcome to modern "conservatism". They don't want anything but for their enemies to suffer, and they're willing to suffer to make you suffer.
 
2020-11-17 7:49:03 PM  
The two countries also signaled that they are withholding political support for the bloc's €1.074 trillion seven-year budget, which is due to start on January 1. Officials were quick to point out that the budget-and-recovery package includes tens of billions for Hungary and Poland, essentially accusing Budapest and Warsaw of harming their own citizens.
Poland and Hungary are both major recipients of EU funds - and have been very heavily hit by the second wave of the coronavirus.


Welfare red states pushing isolationist nationalist bullshiat exist in the EU too.  What a surprise that such people are spiteful begging charity cases the world over.
 
2020-11-17 7:50:00 PM  
Orban can't lose. He's certain the EU will give Hungary charity regardless of what he does, so he either gets what he wants or he wrecks the process and later on, gets what he wants.

I'm too bellicose. I'd figure out a tough love approach, but that's why I'm not a good choice for a diplomat.
 
2020-11-17 7:51:02 PM  
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sincerely, America
 
2020-11-17 7:51:29 PM  
What a Hungarian might look like:

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2020-11-17 7:52:10 PM  
Can someone explain to me the subheading in the article that says

Fudge found wanting

??
 
2020-11-17 7:58:42 PM  

index of slash: Can someone explain to me the subheading in the article that says

Fudge found wanting

??


They serve fudge at these functions and it wasn't very good this time. Catering really dropped the ball.

/this may or may not be true
 
2020-11-17 8:00:04 PM  
It's a goulash situation
 
2020-11-17 8:01:37 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: The two countries also signaled that they are withholding political support for the bloc's €1.074 trillion seven-year budget, which is due to start on January 1. Officials were quick to point out that the budget-and-recovery package includes tens of billions for Hungary and Poland, essentially accusing Budapest and Warsaw of harming their own citizens.
Poland and Hungary are both major recipients of EU funds - and have been very heavily hit by the second wave of the coronavirus.

Welfare red states pushing isolationist nationalist bullshiat exist in the EU too.  What a surprise that such people are spiteful begging charity cases the world over.


Poland and Hungary are the two European countries I'm willing to make comparisons with America. Their idiots are about as bad as our idiots.
 
2020-11-17 8:03:37 PM  
1.8T Euros? What is that, like five bucks?
 
2020-11-17 8:03:51 PM  

index of slash: Can someone explain to me the subheading in the article that says

Fudge found wanting

??


The current situation stemmed from a "fudge" they used earlier in the process.  Basically, to get this thing agreed on in a previous session, they purposely left the language vague so everyone would sign off on it at that stage.  Problem is now that they're trying to treat the prior handwaving as law, Poland and Hungary aren't going to sign off.  So, the previous "fudge" (handwaving) is "found wanting" (lacking) because it didn't really solve the problem; it only delayed it to now where it's even more of an issue.
 
2020-11-17 8:06:36 PM  
I love it when officials are honest about the situation and not try to paint over said shait.
 
2020-11-17 8:11:01 PM  

karl2025: The two countries also signaled that they are withholding political support for the bloc's €1.074 trillion seven-year budget, which is due to start on January 1. Officials were quick to point out that the budget-and-recovery package includes tens of billions for Hungary and Poland, essentially accusing Budapest and Warsaw of harming their own citizens.

I will never understand people who dislike others so much they're willing to hurt themselves out of spite.


Because for them, this is extortion, not self-harm. They are banning on the EU folding and giving them care blanche with this money so that can be fascists with more money. They're willing to put their own people on the line because they are betting that the rest of the EU won't.
 
2020-11-17 8:11:18 PM  
The EU is for Democracies

If Hungary and Poland no longer fir that description, kick them the fark out
 
2020-11-17 8:11:19 PM  

New Rising Sun: index of slash: Can someone explain to me the subheading in the article that says

Fudge found wanting

??

The current situation stemmed from a "fudge" they used earlier in the process.  Basically, to get this thing agreed on in a previous session, they purposely left the language vague so everyone would sign off on it at that stage.  Problem is now that they're trying to treat the prior handwaving as law, Poland and Hungary aren't going to sign off.  So, the previous "fudge" (handwaving) is "found wanting" (lacking) because it didn't really solve the problem; it only delayed it to now where it's even more of an issue.


And catering really dropped the ball.

/the little sandwiches were also dry
 
2020-11-17 8:12:17 PM  

austerity101: karl2025: The two countries also signaled that they are withholding political support for the bloc's €1.074 trillion seven-year budget, which is due to start on January 1. Officials were quick to point out that the budget-and-recovery package includes tens of billions for Hungary and Poland, essentially accusing Budapest and Warsaw of harming their own citizens.

I will never understand people who dislike others so much they're willing to hurt themselves out of spite.

Because for them, this is extortion, not self-harm. They are banning on the EU folding and giving them care blanche with this money so that can be fascists with more money. They're willing to put their own people on the line because they are betting that the rest of the EU won't.


*banking on. Banking is a word, phone.
 
2020-11-17 8:13:58 PM  

Cagey B: The EU really needs to consider kicking Hungary and Poland out, then using the welfare money they've been giving them to beef up the military in areas bordering those states.


да
 
2020-11-17 8:17:00 PM  
There's no bureaucratic clusterfark like a European Union bureaucratic clusterfark. Even after all the countries agree on a solution, something called the "European Parliament" gets a say. I'm too drunk and lazy to go look closely but I think this really highlights the advantage of the Somali system.
 
2020-11-17 8:20:22 PM  

Boo_Guy: New Rising Sun: index of slash: Can someone explain to me the subheading in the article that says

Fudge found wanting

??

The current situation stemmed from a "fudge" they used earlier in the process.  Basically, to get this thing agreed on in a previous session, they purposely left the language vague so everyone would sign off on it at that stage.  Problem is now that they're trying to treat the prior handwaving as law, Poland and Hungary aren't going to sign off.  So, the previous "fudge" (handwaving) is "found wanting" (lacking) because it didn't really solve the problem; it only delayed it to now where it's even more of an issue.

And catering really dropped the ball.

/the little sandwiches were also dry


so fudge wasn't sent packing?
 
2020-11-17 8:29:54 PM  

Boo_Guy: Is it really that or do they not want to be held to EU standards?

"We want the money but we also want to be authoritarian pricks."


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2020-11-17 9:28:52 PM  
Putin gets his money's worth, I'll give him that.
The union was nice while it lasted, but once again authoritarian pricks are f*cking up Europe.
 
2020-11-17 10:17:51 PM  
Hungary is really putin the screws to the EU, surely for their own reasons. Can the EU buy back Poland to get rid of Hungary forever?
 
2020-11-17 11:12:37 PM  

phamwaa: 1.8T Euros? What is that, like five bucks?

1.8T Euros = 2.1T  Bucks.
 
2020-11-18 12:24:27 AM  
Well Europe, now you know what it's like being held back from doing reasonable, intelligent, necessary things by frustratingly stupid, selfish, obstinate, fascism-loving cult-ish morons.
 
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