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(Twitter)   Trump: The Election should END on November 3rd. Ohio and South Carolina: We have over a week after the election to certify results, and we are going to take our time   (twitter.com) divider line
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2020-10-30 6:17:29 PM  

Original: Original Tweet:

Tylerjoelb: Reminder that Ohio has a *10-day* period after Election Day for counting eligible ballots so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 2 We have to keep spelling this out: states *do not* certify results on election night. Ohio's official count comes weeks later. https://t.co/u2noqi80Ww


Why does he* say is it bad for our country?
I guess I'd be pooping bricks too if I had a bad feeling I'll be losing and owing $400 million dollars to the newspaper boy that will be knocking on my door to collect.
 
2020-10-30 6:17:58 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Theory Of Null: implications for vote counting, what happens if some ballots come in after the deadline, etc.: There is lots of evidence that Democrats sent their ballots in sooner than Republicans. In Florida, for example, mail ballots received by the morning of Oct. 14 were +21 D by party registration. But ballots received in the past 48 hours were just +6 D. "

Its a numbers game to them.

When fewer people vote, the GOP almost always wins.

When more people vote, the Democrats almost always win.

This is normally true, which is why they are all about suppressing as many votes as then can, even if they votes were for them, and have been for decades, but this time around with wild record early voting numbers, and Democrats almost universally voting earlier, their normal plays may not work the way they want.


It isn't even that any more. It is highly unlikely that these disputes impact the election results either way, but they do delegitimize the election and the GOP will use it to try and delegitimization any Democratic administration.
 
2020-10-30 6:18:40 PM  
Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the United States of America

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All day. Every day.

Can't wait to have an actual adult in the White House again
 
2020-10-30 6:19:00 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: UltimaCS: BlazeTrailer: So you wish to give early voters a disproportionate voice in the process? Man, you really DON'T wish to be president, do you?

Nobody has ever said he was a smart man. Except himself.

That is a lie.  All of his worshippers fervently believe that he is the smartest person in all of history.


Correct, nobody smart has ever said he is smart unless they were angling to get something from him or his cult.
 
2020-10-30 6:19:13 PM  
We have to keep spelling this out: states *do not* certify results on election night.

No, but the TV people do, and that's the only thing Trump understands.
 
2020-10-30 6:19:56 PM  
Trump's greatest skill remains using our own media against us. He's successfully gotten free advertising out of them every hour of every day for the last 5 years and now he's using the Horserace With Instantaneous Results model of election coverage to cheat his way into keeping the presidency. If, in fact, that's even necessary, because the Democrats are farking it up again it turns out.
 
2020-10-30 6:21:06 PM  

spottymax: They have till December 8 to certify.

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December 14 is when most of the f*ckery is going to occur.
 
2020-10-30 6:21:27 PM  

AkaDad: We need the extra time to make sure his supporters didn't vote twice, like he told them to do.


Wow. It wasn't cool when dead people and illegals voted twice for Hillary or some such as. I wonder what changed?
 
2020-10-30 6:22:27 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Donnie is going to ORDER all states to stop counting votes at 9pm on election night so that he can claim Permanent Victory.


No, he'll order an immediate recount. At that point it'll be pretty much all early votes being counted and he'll be getting utterly shellacked.
 
2020-10-30 6:22:55 PM  

spottymax: They have till December 8 to certify.

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2020-10-30 6:24:02 PM  
Trump, Nov 4th: "I hear that a lot of the ballots still being counted are for me. It's obvious that the Hillary plot to delay our postal service WILL NOT WIN so we should KEEP COUNTING!"
 
2020-10-30 6:24:31 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: UltimaCS: BlazeTrailer: So you wish to give early voters a disproportionate voice in the process? Man, you really DON'T wish to be president, do you?

Nobody has ever said he was a smart man. Except himself.

That is a lie.  All of his worshippers fervently believe that he is the smartest person in all of history.


Well he really does know his shiat.

The problem is he spews entirely too much of it. He surrounds himself and us in it. He forces us to consume it. We always have to smell his shiat.

But he definitely knows it.
 
2020-10-30 6:27:44 PM  

NephilimNexus: Jeb Bush, Florida ballots anyone?

Trump just stuffed his latest puppet into the SCOTUS to gain a majority.  He'll just have them shut down the ballot counting for him.


SC shut down a recount (I can't recall if 2nd or 3rd), not the 1st count.
 
2020-10-30 6:27:49 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: MissFeasance: While I'm not usually one to be down with Ohio in general, mad props.

I willing voted for Hickenlooper, and am applauding O-friggin-hio. WTF, 2020.


I put a Hickenlooper sign in my yard, wtf indeed.
 
2020-10-30 6:29:38 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: Trump's greatest skill remains using our own media against us. He's successfully gotten free advertising out of them every hour of every day for the last 5 years and now he's using the Horserace With Instantaneous Results model of election coverage to cheat his way into keeping the presidency. If, in fact, that's even necessary, because the Democrats are farking it up again it turns out.


Yes, it's the Democrat's fault. Not mercs in unmarked vans, militias, and ICE terrorizing communities.
 
2020-10-30 6:30:39 PM  

Ambivalence: The voting does end on November 3, but all votes need to be counted, motherfarker!


Look, you're talking to a person who doesn't actually know how to count, so you're kind of pissing into the wind here...
 
2020-10-30 6:38:02 PM  
I can't remember any time in my lifetime that all the states have actually certified a winner on election night. I know sometimes the press will call/predict a race by midnight, but (any historians here), has it ever happened that all states had finished counting by midnight on voting day?
 
2020-10-30 6:42:14 PM  
It's about 100 hours until the polls start to close.
 
2020-10-30 6:48:18 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/​e​lection-results-timing/

Looking at the states, Florida expects to have results on election night.  So Trump could be declared the loser on election night (he can't win without Florida), but there's no way he can be declared winner without extreme shenanigans (worse than 2000, 2004, and 2016 combined).


Just going to link to this.

Some random highlights: California accepts ballots that arrive as late as November 20th.  Alaska doesn't even start counting absentee votes and early votes that were cast today (10/30) or later until November 10th.  Illinois allows ballots as late as November 17th.
 
2020-10-30 6:49:30 PM  
firefly212:has it ever happened that all states had finished counting by midnight on voting day?

Nope.
 
2020-10-30 6:54:36 PM  
Be careful what you wish for. Something tells me he won't be pleased with the results on 11/10 or what-have-you any more than he he will be on 11/3.
 
2020-10-30 6:58:30 PM  

BigKaboom: Original: Original Tweet:

Tylerjoelb: Reminder that Ohio has a *10-day* period after Election Day for counting eligible ballots so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 2 We have to keep spelling this out: states *do not* certify results on election night. Ohio's official count comes weeks later. https://t.co/u2noqi80Ww


Why does he* say is it bad for our country?
I guess I'd be pooping bricks too if I had a bad feeling I'll be losing and owing $400 million dollars to the newspaper boy that will be knocking on my door to collect.


He owes $1.1 billion.
 
2020-10-30 6:59:53 PM  
Actually, 49 states have 7 days after election to certify their results.
 
2020-10-30 7:01:18 PM  

spottymax: They have till December 8 to certify.

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and THIS is why I'm taking a day off in January and not next week.

All you all posting how you are staying up to drink and watch the returns next tuesday?

phhhhht - popcorn and soda

Come the morning that Biden raises his hand and intones those words "and Donald Trump? If you're out there? Fark you, too!" I'm gonna cry tears of relief and proceed to get as drunk as a sailor on VE day.
 
2020-10-30 7:01:51 PM  
Pills close in 96 hours in most of the east coast, including most of Florida.

Vote, if you haven't already voted.
 
2020-10-30 7:03:01 PM  
Or "polls," even. I blame Hunter Biden, autocorrect, and the Crab People.
 
2020-10-30 7:06:38 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I just hope that our men and women serving in other countries


So of us work abroad in capacities other than the military, and most of libby libs.
 
2020-10-30 7:12:54 PM  

Subtonic: Many PA counties aren't even going to START counting mail in ballots til Wednesday. Not like it's a key state or anything so let's just go with whatever media outlet calls it first.


They're mandated by law to not count mail in ballots until the polls close.  This is also true of Michigan and WIsconsin.  Ohio, NC, and Florida I do believe all count them as they come in.

So it's not 'many counties'.  It's all of them.
 
2020-10-30 7:15:31 PM  

yakmans_dad: Flappyhead: SCOTUS will disagree.

You joke, but that was what was so distressing about Bush v Gore. The Constitution gives states the power over their elections and SCOTUS said No to what the Florida Supreme Court said. It said that the recounts violated their equal protection  rights. This is the whopper at the center of Bush v Gore. The RECOUNT violated equal protection but the initial count didn't. Heaven help us all.


The only reason they had that opening is because only some counties were being recounted. A statewide recount and that logic goes away.
 
2020-10-30 7:19:54 PM  

BigKaboom: Original: Original Tweet:
Tylerjoelb: Reminder that Ohio has a *10-day* period after Election Day for counting eligible ballots so long as they are postmarked by Nov. 2 We have to keep spelling this out: states *do not* certify results on election night. Ohio's official count comes weeks later. https://t.co/u2noqi80Ww

Why does he* say is it bad for our country?
I guess I'd be pooping bricks too if I had a bad feeling I'll be losing and owing $400 million dollars to the newspaper boy that will be knocking on my door to collect.


Last I heard it's up to over $800 million he owes.

What if he says next Wednesday "Hey, I lost, OK.  But I'm not leaving gracefully and I'm gonna fark everything up for the next 11 weeks... unless somebody crowdsources me a billion dollars.  The sooner you come up with my money, the faster I'll leave."

I bet we could knock that out by Thursday morning and he could be gone by dinner.
 
2020-10-30 7:21:33 PM  

qorkfiend: yakmans_dad: Flappyhead: SCOTUS will disagree.

You joke, but that was what was so distressing about Bush v Gore. The Constitution gives states the power over their elections and SCOTUS said No to what the Florida Supreme Court said. It said that the recounts violated their equal protection  rights. This is the whopper at the center of Bush v Gore. The RECOUNT violated equal protection but the initial count didn't. Heaven help us all.

The only reason they had that opening is because only some counties were being recounted. A statewide recount and that logic goes away.


"Only some states are having a full recount"

Presto fartso, that logic is back, and all 50 states plus DC need to do a full recount and be finished before the EC convenes or else the recount violates equal protection and the original vote stands, no matter how blatant the fraud.
 
2020-10-30 7:22:13 PM  
Guys maybe he meant the election should TREND on November 3rd. He plans to Tweet all day and he's jsut telling us to watch for the hashtags.
 
2020-10-30 7:29:21 PM  
It's like he thinks he's running for 5th grade class president and we'll know the results before the bell rings at 5 PM.
 
2020-10-30 7:32:53 PM  

King Something: qorkfiend: yakmans_dad: Flappyhead: SCOTUS will disagree.

You joke, but that was what was so distressing about Bush v Gore. The Constitution gives states the power over their elections and SCOTUS said No to what the Florida Supreme Court said. It said that the recounts violated their equal protection  rights. This is the whopper at the center of Bush v Gore. The RECOUNT violated equal protection but the initial count didn't. Heaven help us all.

The only reason they had that opening is because only some counties were being recounted. A statewide recount and that logic goes away.

"Only some states are having a full recount"

Presto fartso, that logic is back, and all 50 states plus DC need to do a full recount and be finished before the EC convenes or else the recount violates equal protection and the original vote stands, no matter how blatant the fraud.


lol
 
2020-10-30 7:36:37 PM  

rounding-third: In Ohio it is a paper ballot and when you are finished marking it you plug it into the machine which counts the votes in that precinct. Then at the end of the day you run multiple checks that are signed off by a Republican rep And. Democrat rep. The tally is signed and then the ballots plus the tallies go into a locked bag and driven to a drop off location with both the D and R reps in the same car.

If the count of ballots filled out plus the errors do not match the total distributed using a bar code scanner on the registration device which counts the total # of voters you have to start all over again and recount until you get the correct number. These tallies on the printout sheet are used to add to the total in the county and this is reported to the media and on the site etc. I am guessing that absentee ballots follow the same process. Not sure how this can be an issue and is one thing Ohio got right the past few years concerning elections. This is at least how it is done in Hamilton County. I was a poll worker last year but unable to do it this year.


Greene County, OH uses ES&S (formerly Diebold) voting machines.

The thing prints a paper ballot behind a clear plastic shield you can look at to confirm it matches what you marked on the screen, on a roll of paper like a CVS receipt. When you're done, it scrolls up never to be seen again. You don't get a receipt, verification code, or whatever.

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(This is the model we used until around 2016, IIRC. We use a different one now.)

I assume the computer checks if you voted Democrat and generates a random number. If your ballot fails its saving throw, it gets shredded.

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2020-10-30 7:37:54 PM  

qorkfiend: King Something: qorkfiend: yakmans_dad: Flappyhead: SCOTUS will disagree.

You joke, but that was what was so distressing about Bush v Gore. The Constitution gives states the power over their elections and SCOTUS said No to what the Florida Supreme Court said. It said that the recounts violated their equal protection  rights. This is the whopper at the center of Bush v Gore. The RECOUNT violated equal protection but the initial count didn't. Heaven help us all.

The only reason they had that opening is because only some counties were being recounted. A statewide recount and that logic goes away.

"Only some states are having a full recount"

Presto fartso, that logic is back, and all 50 states plus DC need to do a full recount and be finished before the EC convenes or else the recount violates equal protection and the original vote stands, no matter how blatant the fraud.

lol


You think the Supreme Court wouldn't issue such a ruling if that ruling would help Trump?

If it goes to them, he wins 6-3.
 
2020-10-30 7:38:27 PM  

King Something: qorkfiend: King Something: qorkfiend: yakmans_dad: Flappyhead: SCOTUS will disagree.

You joke, but that was what was so distressing about Bush v Gore. The Constitution gives states the power over their elections and SCOTUS said No to what the Florida Supreme Court said. It said that the recounts violated their equal protection  rights. This is the whopper at the center of Bush v Gore. The RECOUNT violated equal protection but the initial count didn't. Heaven help us all.

The only reason they had that opening is because only some counties were being recounted. A statewide recount and that logic goes away.

"Only some states are having a full recount"

Presto fartso, that logic is back, and all 50 states plus DC need to do a full recount and be finished before the EC convenes or else the recount violates equal protection and the original vote stands, no matter how blatant the fraud.

lol

You think the Supreme Court wouldn't issue such a ruling if that ruling would help Trump?

If it goes to them, he wins 6-3.


I don't think anyone's going to listen to them if they try
 
2020-10-30 7:42:11 PM  
One American, One Vote.

Count all the ballots.
 
2020-10-30 8:08:22 PM  

naughtyrev: If he's getting crushed on election night, he'll be screaming that the election should go on as long as it takes.


He gonna wire it all in 220?
 
2020-10-30 8:16:10 PM  

King Something: qorkfiend: King Something: qorkfiend: yakmans_dad: Flappyhead: SCOTUS will disagree.

You joke, but that was what was so distressing about Bush v Gore. The Constitution gives states the power over their elections and SCOTUS said No to what the Florida Supreme Court said. It said that the recounts violated their equal protection  rights. This is the whopper at the center of Bush v Gore. The RECOUNT violated equal protection but the initial count didn't. Heaven help us all.

The only reason they had that opening is because only some counties were being recounted. A statewide recount and that logic goes away.

"Only some states are having a full recount"

Presto fartso, that logic is back, and all 50 states plus DC need to do a full recount and be finished before the EC convenes or else the recount violates equal protection and the original vote stands, no matter how blatant the fraud.

lol

You think the Supreme Court wouldn't issue such a ruling if that ruling would help Trump?

If it goes to them, he wins 6-3.


No, they'll punt it to Congress.
 
2020-10-30 9:00:14 PM  

rounding-third: In Ohio it is a paper ballot and when you are finished marking it you plug it into the machine which counts the votes in that precinct. Then at the end of the day you run multiple checks that are signed off by a Republican rep And. Democrat rep. The tally is signed and then the ballots plus the tallies go into a locked bag and driven to a drop off location with both the D and R reps in the same car.

If the count of ballots filled out plus the errors do not match the total distributed using a bar code scanner on the registration device which counts the total # of voters you have to start all over again and recount until you get the correct number. These tallies on the printout sheet are used to add to the total in the county and this is reported to the media and on the site etc. I am guessing that absentee ballots follow the same process. Not sure how this can be an issue and is one thing Ohio got right the past few years concerning elections. This is at least how it is done in Hamilton County. I was a poll worker last year but unable to do it this year.


It's not that way in all of Ohio.

Diebold touchscreen machines where I'm at.  Unreliable calibration, and then they print onto a thermal ribbon tape that's locked in the voting machines with a little window you can look into to see how it's recorded.  The paper copy is only used in recounts, if any.

They don't seem the least bit secure or confidence inspiring to me.

Unless they upgraded very recently.  I dropped my absentee ballot in the box late at night this time.
 
2020-10-30 9:12:51 PM  

rounding-third: In Ohio it is a paper ballot and when you are finished marking it you plug it into the machine which counts the votes in that precinct. Then at the end of the day you run multiple checks that are signed off by a Republican rep And. Democrat rep. The tally is signed and then the ballots plus the tallies go into a locked bag and driven to a drop off location with both the D and R reps in the same car.

If the count of ballots filled out plus the errors do not match the total distributed using a bar code scanner on the registration device which counts the total # of voters you have to start all over again and recount until you get the correct number. These tallies on the printout sheet are used to add to the total in the county and this is reported to the media and on the site etc. I am guessing that absentee ballots follow the same process. Not sure how this can be an issue and is one thing Ohio got right the past few years concerning elections. This is at least how it is done in Hamilton County. I was a poll worker last year but unable to do it this year.


My Ohio county uses touch screen machines with a paper backup built in.  No optical scanners.
 
2020-10-30 9:19:57 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: whither_apophis: Ohio could save a lot of time by having Diebold announce the numbers now

Diebold has played such a central role in American decline that every other democracy should ban machine voting. Paper ballots and scrutineers from now to eternity. (Also, that would include humans in the democratic process when AI takes the reins of economics and urban planning).


After some irregularities in the 2018 election, my Ohio county has switch backed to paper ballots.  We don't use electronic machines anymore.

Also, when I voted early in-person my vote was immediately scanned and counted when I slipped it into the machine.
 
2020-10-30 9:20:16 PM  

Palined Parenthood: ecmoRandomNumbers: GardenWeasel: bloobeary: South Carolina is refusing the orders of their redhat masters?

Maybe 538 wasn't crazy to have the state go blue in some of their calculations.

Fingers crossed.

SC has to wait on oversea ballots.

Ugh. Crap.

I just hope that our men and women serving in other countries have had it with Trumplethinskin.

Are OUR BRAVE TROOOOOOPS actually allowed to vote against the COMMANDER IN CHIEF???

/Seriously, I want to know what kind of voter intimidation occurs among our absentee servicepeople.


Enlisted military is a pretty reliable republican* voting block, maybe a half to 2/3 actually vote. Red States will crawl over broken glass to count those votes.

/*Might not be so reliable for Trump this round though.
 
2020-10-30 9:22:05 PM  

Mail Order American Husband: Palined Parenthood: ecmoRandomNumbers: GardenWeasel: bloobeary: South Carolina is refusing the orders of their redhat masters?

Maybe 538 wasn't crazy to have the state go blue in some of their calculations.

Fingers crossed.

SC has to wait on oversea ballots.

Ugh. Crap.

I just hope that our men and women serving in other countries have had it with Trumplethinskin.

Are OUR BRAVE TROOOOOOPS actually allowed to vote against the COMMANDER IN CHIEF???

/Seriously, I want to know what kind of voter intimidation occurs among our absentee servicepeople.

Enlisted military is a pretty reliable republican* voting block, maybe a half to 2/3 actually vote. Red States will crawl over broken glass to count those votes.

/*Might not be so reliable for Trump this round though.


Inshallah
 
2020-10-30 9:29:59 PM  

Lipo: Bennie Crabtree: whither_apophis: Ohio could save a lot of time by having Diebold announce the numbers now

Diebold has played such a central role in American decline that every other democracy should ban machine voting. Paper ballots and scrutineers from now to eternity. (Also, that would include humans in the democratic process when AI takes the reins of economics and urban planning).

After some irregularities in the 2018 election, my Ohio county has switch backed to paper ballots.  We don't use electronic machines anymore.

Also, when I voted early in-person my vote was immediately scanned and counted when I slipped it into the machine.


My Ohio county uses Scantrons. Fill in the arrows, run it though the Scantron, when it reads "ballot accepted", place ballot's tab in box.
 
2020-10-30 9:36:10 PM  
All of this is so Trump can declare himself winner on Election night. Hope Biden has attorneys ready to deploy and briefs prepared, because you can be damn sure Trump is going to sue to have the counting stopped at midnight.

Barring that, he's going to declare massive election fraud, and ask the Republican state legislatures to give him their electors, regardless of the popular vote.

If either of those don't work, he's going to ask the SCOTUS to declare him the winner, i.e. Bush v Gore 2.0.

If Trump loses (and it's looking more and more that way), he's going to burn it all down rather than concede. His narcissism will never allow himself to admit he lost, and his sociopathy means he doesn't care who he hurts on his way down.

/Don't let anyone take away your vote
 
2020-10-30 9:49:33 PM  

th0th: naughtyrev: If he's getting crushed on election night, he'll be screaming that the election should go on as long as it takes.

He gonna wire it all in 220?


220, 221 whatever it takes
 
2020-10-30 10:10:04 PM  

dustman81: All of this is so Trump can declare himself winner on Election night. Hope Biden has attorneys ready to deploy and briefs prepared, because you can be damn sure Trump is going to sue to have the counting stopped at midnight.

Barring that, he's going to declare massive election fraud, and ask the Republican state legislatures to give him their electors, regardless of the popular vote.

If either of those don't work, he's going to ask the SCOTUS to declare him the winner, i.e. Bush v Gore 2.0.

If Trump loses (and it's looking more and more that way), he's going to burn it all down rather than concede. His narcissism will never allow himself to admit he lost, and his sociopathy means he doesn't care who he hurts on his way down.

/Don't let anyone take away your vote


Biden does, actually.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-h​a​s-4000-lawyers-on-standby-in-florida-f​or-possible-election-recount

And many others in other states.

I'm not trying to paint a super rosy picture of the future because there is definitely going to be a crap ton of noise, but the "stop counting at midnight" idea is basically nonsensical gibberish like most of what he says. It would be about as equally plausible as him saying he's going to explicitly have SCOTUS declare him GEOTUS. The latter would be less convoluted, frankly. Bush V. Gore was a dumbass thing, but it stopped a recount and wasn't SCOTUS going "nah you win" on their own accord.

2nd option is more problematic. Currently SCOTUS is ruling against allowing changes to state laws and they've ruled against Faithless Electors before. Going that route which would involve the legislators ignoring their own law basically ends in lots of things burning, including people, probably the legislators.

4th option, is, uh...yeah. Not gonna be good times.
 
2020-10-30 10:34:17 PM  
Mail Order American Husband:

Enlisted military is a pretty reliable republican* voting block, maybe a half to 2/3 actually vote. Red States will crawl over broken glass to count those votes.

/*Might not be so reliable for Trump this round though.

Overseas voters who aren't soldiers tend to vote democrat.

There are about 9 congressional districts worth of US citizens outside of the US. As many aren't a resident of a state, they can't vote but they still get to tell the IRS about all their income.
 
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