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2020-10-30 2:50:48 PM  
I would have liked an "extremist" in there I think
 
2020-10-30 4:10:24 PM  
I don't see any mention of Wahhabism. Does anyone know if this is the ideology of said attackers?
 
2020-10-30 4:53:17 PM  
I know the whole 2020 meme is played out, but wow... 2020
 
2020-10-30 4:53:52 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I don't see any mention of Wahhabism. Does anyone know if this is the ideology of said attackers?


It's the sect of Islam that enjoys murdering people because of a cartoon. That one.
 
2020-10-30 4:55:41 PM  

johnny_vegas: I would have liked an "extremist" in there I think


I agree but would it make a difference? Didn't Macron say radical Islam and that pissed off a whole lot of people.
 
2020-10-30 4:56:58 PM  
Sounds like France has finally gotten the message. Too bad it took so many lives for them to see it.
 
2020-10-30 4:57:05 PM  
"Whenever people say my religion is full of violent wack-o's I get so mad I could just cut someones head off. Or fly a plane right into a building."
 
2020-10-30 4:58:11 PM  

mangobunny: johnny_vegas: I would have liked an "extremist" in there I think

I agree but would it make a difference? Didn't Macron say radical Islam and that pissed off a whole lot of people.


Why wouldn't people be pissed?  Cutting off someones head over a cartoon doesn't make Islam radical.  More like bogus Islam.
 
2020-10-30 4:58:44 PM  

mangobunny: johnny_vegas: I would have liked an "extremist" in there I think

I agree but would it make a difference? Didn't Macron say radical Islam and that pissed off a whole lot of people.


It pissed me off. Extremist Islam is reactionary not radical.

I mean, unless they're on skateboards or BMX bikes or something.
 
2020-10-30 4:59:25 PM  
Ahh, nothing like Islamophobia and the Muslim boogyman to distract the common clay from the things they were protesting.
 
2020-10-30 4:59:27 PM  
Any ideology that preaches chopping people's heads off for a.stupid cartoon needs to get put down FULL STOP.

F*CK. THAT. SH*T.
 
2020-10-30 4:59:33 PM  

jjorsett: Sounds like France has finally gotten the message. Too bad it took so many lives for them to see it.


I dont get why those religious weirdos want to live in France in the first place.

I mean they leave their country because its a horrible place to live and move somewhere else and then immediately start trying to turn it into where they just left.
 
2020-10-30 5:01:02 PM  
Everyone knows what he means, the only people upset are the authoritarian Islamists in Turkey and other places that cater to these assholes. I don't need PC lessons from the farker who was funding ISIS and killing Kurds, or the Pakistanis who hid Bin Laden for years and propped up the Taliban.
 
2020-10-30 5:05:49 PM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: Ahh, nothing like Islamophobia and the Muslim boogyman to distract the common clay from the things they were protesting.


One of the victims had her throat slit, a police source told CNN. The mayor of Nice had earlier described it as a decapitation.
Another victim - a man - died following multiple stabbings, according to the police source.
The third victim, a woman, was wounded inside the church, but managed to leave. However, she died in a nearby café, the police source said.He added that the suspect kept repeating the words "'Allahu Akbar in front of us" while being treated by medics. "There is no doubt that the perpetrator of the attack ... what his intentions were," the mayor said.
THe victims would beg to differ if they could
 
2020-10-30 5:06:57 PM  
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2020-10-30 5:09:17 PM  

Jeebus Saves: mangobunny: johnny_vegas: I would have liked an "extremist" in there I think

I agree but would it make a difference? Didn't Macron say radical Islam and that pissed off a whole lot of people.

Why wouldn't people be pissed?  Cutting off someones head over a cartoon doesn't make Islam radical.  More like bogus Islam.


I would assert that cutting off someone's head over a cartoon does make you a radical or extremist and if they're also a muslim then they'd be a radical muslim. The "no true Scotsman" arguement is BS. Either the Koran is to be taken literally, in which case there is plenty of justification for violence in it, or it's open to interpretation and if so why is any one interpretation any less valid than another?
 
2020-10-30 5:11:41 PM  
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2020-10-30 5:11:58 PM  

dothemath: jjorsett: Sounds like France has finally gotten the message. Too bad it took so many lives for them to see it.

I dont get why those religious weirdos want to live in France in the first place.

I mean they leave their country because its a horrible place to live and move somewhere else and then immediately start trying to turn it into where they just left.


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2020-10-30 5:12:27 PM  
I checked Le Figaro to get the actual quote:

«Nous sommes en guerre face à un ennemi qui est un ennemi extérieur et intérieur. Nous ne sommes pas en guerre contre une religion mais contre une idéologie, l'idéologie islamiste»,

(We are at war against an enemy that is an exterior and interior enemy. We are not at war against a religion, but against an ideology, the Islamist ideology)

And, as usual, the Muslim world is siding with the terrorists, not the victims.

"Tens of thousands of Muslims in Pakistan, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories and elsewhere joined protests on Friday over the French president Emmanuel Macron's vow to protect the right to caricature the prophet Muhammad."

How do you compromise with people who cannot understand the concept of freedom of thought and who think mockery merits death?
 
2020-10-30 5:12:29 PM  
Family members were shocked at the idea that he had committed such a violent crime.

"My brother is a friendly person and never showed extremism,"  ... "He respected all other people and accepted their differences ever since he was a child."


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He was just starting to turn his life around and had dreams of becoming a doctor.
 
2020-10-30 5:14:03 PM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: Ahh, nothing like Islamophobia and the Muslim boogyman to distract the common clay from the things they were protesting.


That cutting off a man's head is the proper response to showing Charlie Hebdo cartoons?
 
2020-10-30 5:16:49 PM  
Better headline: French Minister declares Deus Vult!
 
2020-10-30 5:17:02 PM  
France is racist.  Film at 11.
 
2020-10-30 5:17:04 PM  

lolmao500: [Fark user image 237x331]
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China or Islam?

Pick one.

Choose wisely.
 
2020-10-30 5:18:04 PM  

dothemath: jjorsett: Sounds like France has finally gotten the message. Too bad it took so many lives for them to see it.

I dont get why those religious weirdos want to live in France in the first place.

I mean they leave their country because its a horrible place to live and move somewhere else and then immediately start trying to turn it into where they just left.


Probably because they left those 'horrible' places for economic reasons, rather than social ones.  These extremists want a country with a climate and an economy like France, only with Sharia law.
 
2020-10-30 5:18:20 PM  

TrashcanMan: France is racist.  Film at 11.


They specifically said they are at war with an ideology, intolerance - and that intolerance comes in all the colors of the world.
 
2020-10-30 5:19:49 PM  

Clash City Farker: lolmao500: [Fark user image 237x331]
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China or Islam?

Pick one.

Choose wisely.


Easy:

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2020-10-30 5:22:27 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Clash City Farker: lolmao500: [Fark user image 237x331]
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China or Islam?

Pick one.

Choose wisely.

Easy:

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Sorry, you would not be allowed in there.
 
2020-10-30 5:23:39 PM  

Clash City Farker: ColonelCathcart: Clash City Farker: lolmao500: [Fark user image 237x331]
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China or Islam?

Pick one.

Choose wisely.

Easy:

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Sorry, you would not be allowed in there.


Why's that?

I've been to many hot pot places in China, but you don't normally find bikini models there. It was just a fantastic picture that epitomizes the best things about China.
 
2020-10-30 5:25:37 PM  
You know what would go a long way towards helping the situation?

NOT cutting people's heads off. Could we agree on that?
 
2020-10-30 5:26:12 PM  

dothemath: jjorsett: Sounds like France has finally gotten the message. Too bad it took so many lives for them to see it.

I dont get why those religious weirdos want to live in France in the first place.

I mean they leave their country because its a horrible place to live and move somewhere else and then immediately start trying to turn it into where they just left.


France went to their countries first and left with all the nice stuff .
 
2020-10-30 5:27:44 PM  

Clash City Farker: lolmao500: [Fark user image 237x331]
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China or Islam?

Pick one.

Choose wisely.


Jihadists should wage a crusade against the communist party in China. Hell we should be encouraging them. Win/win for the rest of the world.
 
2020-10-30 5:29:28 PM  

lolmao500: Clash City Farker: lolmao500: [Fark user image 237x331]
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China or Islam?

Pick one.

Choose wisely.

Jihadists should wage a crusade against the communist party in China. Hell we should be encouraging them. Win/win for the rest of the world.


Username does not check out Mao...

/LOL
 
2020-10-30 5:30:01 PM  
Was there much uproar in the West when Muslim women were stabbed to death near the Eiffel tower? Im against senseless acts of violence in general but I find that telling.
 
2020-10-30 5:31:04 PM  

dothemath: jjorsett: Sounds like France has finally gotten the message. Too bad it took so many lives for them to see it.

I dont get why those religious weirdos want to live in France in the first place.

I mean they leave their country because its a horrible place to live and move somewhere else and then immediately start trying to turn it into where they just left.


He went there to help terraform it, of course. And he seriously didn't waste any farking time whatsoever:

France's chief anti-terrorism prosecutor, Jean-Francois Ricard, said the suspect was a Tunisian born in 1999 who arrived in Europe on Sept. 20 in Lampedusa, the Italian island off Tunisia that is a main landing point for migrants from Africa. He arrived in Nice by train on Thursday morning and made his way to the church, where he stabbed and killed the 55-year-old sexton and beheaded a 60-year-old woman.
 
2020-10-30 5:32:56 PM  

TheJoe03: Was there much uproar in the West when Muslim women were stabbed to death near the Eiffel tower? Im against senseless acts of violence in general but I find that telling.


How about this:

BEHEADINGS are not helping.
 
2020-10-30 5:33:40 PM  
Is the Charlie Hebdo cartoon featuring Erdogan of the Turkey allowed on the Fark? Submitted link yesterday for shiatz & giggles, alas it went red
 
2020-10-30 5:33:53 PM  
Correction, not stabbed to death, but stabbed while being called dirty Arabs. Thr racial tension is boiling over and it worries me. Hopefully it can be quelled before it becomes a dangerous back and forth game of revenge.
 
2020-10-30 5:34:52 PM  

Bslim: TheJoe03: Was there much uproar in the West when Muslim women were stabbed to death near the Eiffel tower? Im against senseless acts of violence in general but I find that telling.

How about this:

BEHEADINGS are not helping.


They sure farking aren't, did I imply they were?
 
2020-10-30 5:35:42 PM  

big pig peaches: mangobunny: johnny_vegas: I would have liked an "extremist" in there I think

I agree but would it make a difference? Didn't Macron say radical Islam and that pissed off a whole lot of people.

It pissed me off. Extremist Islam is reactionary not radical.

I mean, unless they're on skateboards or BMX bikes or something.


And don't even get me started on how these so-called 'radicals' don't even have any unpaired valence electrons in their orbitals.
 
2020-10-30 5:35:54 PM  

TheJoe03: Was there much uproar in the West when Muslim women were stabbed to death near the Eiffel tower?


Incorrect.

And the stabbers were arrested and slapped with serious charges. So justice is being served.
 
2020-10-30 5:37:58 PM  

BigNumber12: TheJoe03: Was there much uproar in the West when Muslim women were stabbed to death near the Eiffel tower?

Incorrect.

And the stabbers were arrested and slapped with serious charges. So justice is being served.


...also they're going to have a terrible time in French prison which is crawling with Islamists and the courts have prevented separating the inmates who are preaching inside the prisons.
 
2020-10-30 5:38:27 PM  

DogNamedBox: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: Ahh, nothing like Islamophobia and the Muslim boogyman to distract the common clay from the things they were protesting.

One of the victims had her throat slit, a police source told CNN. The mayor of Nice had earlier described it as a decapitation.
Another victim - a man - died following multiple stabbings, according to the police source.
The third victim, a woman, was wounded inside the church, but managed to leave. However, she died in a nearby café, the police source said.He added that the suspect kept repeating the words "'Allahu Akbar in front of us" while being treated by medics. "There is no doubt that the perpetrator of the attack ... what his intentions were," the mayor said.
THe victims would beg to differ if they could


Therefore, Islam and everyone who practices it is a potential murderer so it must be cleansed from society. It all makes sense now. If I'm not careful, will my Muslim neighbors stab me if I don't adhere to Sharia law?
 
2020-10-30 5:40:01 PM  
Article fails to mention Erdogan. Interesting for Reuters.
 
2020-10-30 5:42:32 PM  
Giant Meteor is looking better and better
 
2020-10-30 5:47:24 PM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: DogNamedBox: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: Ahh, nothing like Islamophobia and the Muslim boogyman to distract the common clay from the things they were protesting.

One of the victims had her throat slit, a police source told CNN. The mayor of Nice had earlier described it as a decapitation.
Another victim - a man - died following multiple stabbings, according to the police source.
The third victim, a woman, was wounded inside the church, but managed to leave. However, she died in a nearby café, the police source said.He added that the suspect kept repeating the words "'Allahu Akbar in front of us" while being treated by medics. "There is no doubt that the perpetrator of the attack ... what his intentions were," the mayor said.
THe victims would beg to differ if they could

Therefore, Islam and everyone who practices it is a potential murderer so it must be cleansed from society. It all makes sense now. If I'm not careful, will my Muslim neighbors stab me if I don't adhere to Sharia law?


I did not say all Muslims are potential murders. So great wise one, just were the "protesting" when stabbing a woman to death in an church?
 
2020-10-30 5:49:14 PM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: DogNamedBox: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: Ahh, nothing like Islamophobia and the Muslim boogyman to distract the common clay from the things they were protesting.

One of the victims had her throat slit, a police source told CNN. The mayor of Nice had earlier described it as a decapitation.
Another victim - a man - died following multiple stabbings, according to the police source.
The third victim, a woman, was wounded inside the church, but managed to leave. However, she died in a nearby café, the police source said.He added that the suspect kept repeating the words "'Allahu Akbar in front of us" while being treated by medics. "There is no doubt that the perpetrator of the attack ... what his intentions were," the mayor said.
THe victims would beg to differ if they could

Therefore, Islam and everyone who practices it is a potential murderer so it must be cleansed from society. It all makes sense now. If I'm not careful, will my Muslim neighbors stab me if I don't adhere to Sharia law?


As the Interior Minister said, France is not fighting Islam as a faith, but the militaristic fundamentalism that decrees death for drawing cartoons. Maybe you can't tell the difference but there is one.
 
2020-10-30 5:49:56 PM  
Wouldn't it be a gas if France declared war on Islam and the US was like, no brah, we're good
 
2020-10-30 5:50:37 PM  
Someone needs to nuke the Suat Valley, stat
 
2020-10-30 5:50:59 PM  
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Context is important.  France has a long history of fighting off literal Muslim invasions, so it is easy to see why they're a bit touchy about modern Muslim immigrants trying to "reshape" French society.  To the French it probably just looks like a sneakier version of the same old thing as before.

Whether you agree with their perception is or not is up to you; I'm just pointing out there are very good, perfectly understandable reasons for what a lot of high-brow Americans would like to label as "xenophobia" when it comes to France and Islam.  It's a bit harder to welcome folks with open arms when they've previously tried kicking in your doors with swords.
 
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