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(WFLA Tampa Bay)   University of South Florida will close its College of Education due to: A) 35% budget cuts over two years; B) 60% lower enrollment ; C) 25% chance of teaching in Florida; or D) 120% All of the Above   (wfla.com) divider line
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2020-10-30 1:27:27 PM  
This is a phenomenon all over the country. Kids see the shiat teachers put up with and the pay and nope the hell out and go to Comp Sci or business.

Regional university only had 4 special education teachers graduate in Spring 2019.

Not worth the pay/hours/lack of respect when money is all people care about.

People expect teachers to pay for for supplies for other people's kids and take a bullet for them, while demonizing public schools and shunting money to charter schools.
 
2020-10-30 3:34:49 PM  
But they have a big time football team...
 
2020-10-30 3:35:02 PM  

thehobbes: This is a phenomenon all over the country. Kids see the shiat teachers put up with and the pay and nope the hell out and go to Comp Sci or business.

Regional university only had 4 special education teachers graduate in Spring 2019.

Not worth the pay/hours/lack of respect when money is all people care about.

People expect teachers to pay for for supplies for other people's kids and take a bullet for them, while demonizing public schools and shunting money to charter schools.


The pandemic is going to absolutely cripple public schooling much efficiently than anything the Republicans could ever have accomplished on their own.
 
2020-10-30 3:38:53 PM  
You can't pay teachers $30,000/year after requiring a master's degree at their own expense AND require them to provide their own supplies and technology AND expect them to be the first line of defense against maniacs with guns AND expect them to provide therapy for children from broken homes AND expect them to teach up to full standards across two or three platforms while also having to provide for childcare for their own children. No offense to teachers. The people that jump through the hoops required to be a teacher in this environment for pay that is insulting are saints. But you can't act surprised when people don't want to buy in any more. Maybe this will put some upward pressure on school districts to increase teacher salaries.
 
2020-10-30 3:41:49 PM  
Isn't this what's happening in just about every industry? Demand has outpaced the supply of folk with secondary education, and no one is creating an incentive to get said education?

'Sure I'll spend 4 years of my life to go into crippling debt so I can barely outearn the janitor.' Said no one ever
 
2020-10-30 3:45:12 PM  
Tampa is not the same as all of Florida. The article said that Tampa Bay gets 25% of their area teachers from the program, not that only 25% of graduates end up teaching in Florida...
 
2020-10-30 3:45:40 PM  

indylaw: You can't pay teachers $30,000/year after requiring a master's degree at their own expense AND require them to provide their own supplies and technology AND expect them to be the first line of defense against maniacs with guns AND expect them to provide therapy for children from broken homes AND expect them to teach up to full standards across two or three platforms while also having to provide for childcare for their own children. No offense to teachers. The people that jump through the hoops required to be a teacher in this environment for pay that is insulting are saints. But you can't act surprised when people don't want to buy in any more. Maybe this will put some upward pressure on school districts to increase teacher salaries.


This.
It's almost like requiring the moon while paying shiat and blaming them for everything wrong in the school system reduces the number of teachers. Who'd a thunk?
 
2020-10-30 3:46:47 PM  

thehobbes: This is a phenomenon all over the country. Kids see the shiat teachers put up with and the pay and nope the hell out and go to Comp Sci or business.

Regional university only had 4 special education teachers graduate in Spring 2019.

Not worth the pay/hours/lack of respect when money is all people care about.

People expect teachers to pay for for supplies for other people's kids and take a bullet for them, while demonizing public schools and shunting money to charter schools.


It baffles me how Republicans will repeatedly tout stupid shiat like Mike Rowe's SWEAT pledge and then be surprised when developing youths take some values from it.
 
2020-10-30 3:47:35 PM  
This is exactly what the people who run the state want: a dumbed-down populace with no critical thinking skills. I know it's a low bar for Florida, but even though this isn't stepping on the gas of the idiot-mobile, it's definitely shoving a cinder block behind the brake pedal.
 
2020-10-30 3:50:40 PM  

Heamer: This is exactly what the people who run the state want: a dumbed-down populace with no critical thinking skills. I know it's a low bar for Florida, but even though this isn't stepping on the gas of the idiot-mobile, it's definitely shoving a cinder block behind the brake pedal.


I think there comes a point where people paying taxes on their property want to know that their thousands of dollars a year aren't just burning in a pile in the parking lot behind the school board offices, and businesses want people who can at least read and operate a computer.
 
2020-10-30 3:51:15 PM  

Heamer: This is exactly what the people who run the state want: a dumbed-down populace with no critical thinking skills. I know it's a low bar for Florida, but even though this isn't stepping on the gas of the idiot-mobile, it's definitely shoving a cinder block behind the brake pedal.


Nah.
 
2020-10-30 4:03:23 PM  
2010 graduate of said college of education here. I had to move to Orlando because both hillsborough and pinellas counties did a 5 year hiring freeze and pink slipped all non tenured teachers the year I graduated. That college within the university has a lot of great professors in it and I'm sure they will land well either way. As for the counties, screw em. My final internship should have ended with me getting hired there at the school I interned in (for free! That's a requirement by the way, 6 months of free slavery in lieu of a grade), instead it ended with the principal telling me sorry and seeing several non tenured teachers cry in the faculty lounge.

/No longer in FL
 
2020-10-30 4:03:51 PM  
American education schools have been _a_mess_ for many decades.

I suspect it's because there are now other schools that accept students that have flunked out of all other programs. Education used to have a monopoly on 'Everybody gets a 4.0, everybody graduates!' Not anymore.

If America paid teachers like Norway, very very few current American teachers could get the job.
 
2020-10-30 4:04:56 PM  
So just the football then?
 
2020-10-30 4:07:41 PM  
Yeah, no matter how dedicated the teachers you have to pay them a decent, livable wage. They can't live on hopes and prayers.
 
2020-10-30 4:24:39 PM  
The next step in our dystopian manifest destiny is corporate-funded education. Instead of paying taxes for a government program run by people which we, at least at face value, elect we'll pay taxes to our non-elected corporate providers through our purchases.
 
2020-10-30 4:26:42 PM  

indylaw: You can't pay teachers $30,000/year after requiring a master's degree at their own expense AND require them to provide their own supplies and technology AND expect them to be the first line of defense against maniacs with guns AND expect them to provide therapy for children from broken homes AND expect them to teach up to full standards across two or three platforms while also having to provide for childcare for their own children. No offense to teachers. The people that jump through the hoops required to be a teacher in this environment for pay that is insulting are saints. But you can't act surprised when people don't want to buy in any more. Maybe this will put some upward pressure on school districts to increase teacher salaries.


Starting salary for teachers in FL is more in the $40-45K range (of course the cost of living is super high though), but everything else you said is gospel farking truth.
 
2020-10-30 4:30:36 PM  

indylaw: But you can't act surprised when people don't want to buy in any more. Maybe this will put some upward pressure on school districts to increase teacher salaries.


If what you explained would have been about private sector employees, the populace would be emphatically agreeing that they should be paid more for all that they do. Problem is that they are paid with taxpayer dollars for all that they do, and there is a segment of that same populace - say about 40% - that not only believes they should not be paid more but that they should be paid LESS. Because tax dollars. And they feel the same way about all public employees.

This is why there will be fewer teachers in the future, and at a time when this nation desperately needs to become less ignorant.
 
2020-10-30 4:38:45 PM  
I agree with the various statements regarding the shiat that teacher put up with, but Education majors, depending on the study and methodology, have either the worst or bottom five for student outcomes.
 
2020-10-30 4:41:27 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Starting salary for teachers in FL is more in the $40-45K range (of course the cost of living is super high though), but everything else you said is gospel farking truth.


The odd thing about Florida is that it's highly variable.  As whole, it's actually 1% less than the national average.  But in places like Miami or the Keys or St. Petersburg, the housing costs push the COL very high.
 
2020-10-30 4:46:10 PM  

FLMountainMan: I agree with the various statements regarding the shiat that teacher put up with, but Education majors, depending on the study and methodology, have either the worst or bottom five for student outcomes.


Which is only fair. They also are dead last for student qualifications...SATs, HS GPAs etc. But their college GPA is among the highest, funny that.

I'm all for finding better teachers and paying them. But the current batch...no.
 
2020-10-30 4:50:07 PM  

The knight who says EkiEkiPoontang: FLMountainMan: I agree with the various statements regarding the shiat that teacher put up with, but Education majors, depending on the study and methodology, have either the worst or bottom five for student outcomes.

Which is only fair. They also are dead last for student qualifications...SATs, HS GPAs etc. But their college GPA is among the highest, funny that.


Criminology and sociology would like a word.

I'm all for finding better teachers and paying them. But the current batch...no.

There's a ton of good teachers.  Yeah, at least 25% are deadbeats, but that's just like like any other organization's workforce, especially a union-protected one.  I think it would be criminal to get rid of the effective ones though.  Do what they should do with police - pay them more and make them easier to fire.  And loosen the administrative hurdles that teachers have to deal with.
 
2020-10-30 4:54:09 PM  

FLMountainMan: I agree with the various statements regarding the shiat that teacher put up with, but Education majors, depending on the study and methodology, have either the worst or bottom five for student outcomes.


Outcomes as in 5 or 6 year graduation rate?  Teachers colleges do pretty bad on that score, if for no other reason than 20+% of students (95% female) getting pregnant and dropping back for a year or two.

But, dear goodness the number of people who get four year degrees (eventually) and just cannot, for love nor money, pass the Praxis licensing exams.

/ child of two HS teachers
// who said "do anything but that"
 
2020-10-30 5:53:59 PM  
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It's Florida.  No one will notice.
 
2020-10-30 7:41:17 PM  

Heamer: This is exactly what the people who run the state want: a dumbed-down populace with no critical thinking skills. I know it's a low bar for Florida, but even though this isn't stepping on the gas of the idiot-mobile, it's definitely shoving a cinder block behind the brake pedal.


There's a reason Republicans like people to be stupid.

About two-thirds of whites without a college degree voted for Donald Trump in 2016, while only 38 percent of whites with a four-year college degree voted for Trump. Uneducated people are generally not as good as educated people at determining when they are being lied to, because they are not as good at distinguishing between the credibility of different sources. There is a reason why so many uneducated people are still sticking with Trump in 2020, despite the fact that his pandemic nonresponse needlessly cost hundreds of thousands of lives and his only major policy accomplishment was a tax bill that harmed them to give away money to obscenely rich people. These folks do not (yet!) have the wherewithal to determine that the Fox News pundits screaming lies at them all day are not actually on their side and are not equivalent sources to the thousands of whiny liberal scientists, economists, and frazzled Above the Law columnists gently urging self-beneficial corrections to their worldview.

Source: https://abovethelaw.com/2020/​10/that-t​his-nightmare-of-an-election-is-even-c​lose-screams-the-need-to-revamp-critic​al-thinking-education/
 
2020-10-30 11:28:30 PM  

delysid25: Tampa is not the same as all of Florida. The article said that Tampa Bay gets 25% of their area teachers from the program, not that only 25% of graduates end up teaching in Florida...


Clearly, subby's teachers failed to math him right.

/I mean, subbies teacher's
 
2020-10-31 12:43:34 AM  

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It's Florida.  No one will notice.


Drink smart. Drink S-cohol.
 
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