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2020-10-30 11:52:39 AM  
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2020-10-30 11:54:21 AM  
There's a lot of things about this election that have been done this way for years that he's trying to convince people have never happened before.  They're going to do anything they can to win this election, even if it is by (continuing to) lie to the American people.
 
2020-10-30 11:54:56 AM  
It's amazing. Youd' think he would want all the votes from shy Trump voters to count.
 
2020-10-30 11:55:47 AM  
Look. There will be a 30 second window of voting. It will not be announced. It will begin when Donald Trump casts his vote and end the moment after he casts his vote.

All legitimately received votes will be counted fairly and correctly.
 
2020-10-30 12:03:26 PM  
Notice how any decisions to allow more ways to vote, count votes, extending registration deadlines are all clearly meant to apply across the board. Whether you are a Dem, a Trumpanzee, Independent or one of those morons throwing away your vote on a third party, these rules are meant to get you the same right to vote and your vote counted.

Isn't it funny how only one party has a problem with voting?
 
2020-10-30 12:06:38 PM  
Trump promoting the fact that vote counting "ends" when talking heads on the TV first say that a race is "won" is peak "Trump speak".

I mean, if that was the case, Gore won Florida and the entire 2000s is fake!!!!
 
2020-10-30 12:17:13 PM  
For the record, the election has never ended on November 3.


November 3rd is not a fixed election date Subby. It's the first Tuesday in November that follows the first Monday in October. So, it can be anywhere from Nov. 2nd to Nov. 8th.
 
2020-10-30 12:18:36 PM  

Badmoodman: For the record, the election has never ended on November 3.


November 3rd is not a fixed election date Subby. It's the first Tuesday in November that follows the first Monday in NOVEMBER. So, it can be anywhere from Nov. 2nd to Nov. 8th.



Ugh, I SCOTUS on my mind, not October but November.
 
2020-10-30 12:19:16 PM  

Badmoodman: Ugh, I SCOTUS on my mind, not October but November.



LOL, I think I HAD a stroke.
 
2020-10-30 12:27:09 PM  

Badmoodman: Badmoodman: Ugh, I SCOTUS on my mind, not October but November.


LOL, I think I HAD a stroke.


Be sure to wash your hands afterwards, and be careful not to go blind.
 
2020-10-30 12:28:21 PM  
Hopefully I will be out of this farking voting line by then
 
2020-10-30 12:28:37 PM  
The law requires the count to be kept open.  These are the allowances for service members and families voting from overseas.

Alabama allow +7 days post election to receive military absentee ballots postmarked by election day.
Alaska +15 days
Arizona ED Election day
Arkansas  +10
California +17
Colorado +8
Connecticut ED
Delaware ED
Florida  +10
Georgia +3
Hawaii ED
Idaho  ED
Illinois +14
Indiana +10
Iowa +6
Maine ED
Maryland +10
Massachusetts  +10
Michigan ED
Minnesota  ED
Missouri  +3
Mississippi  *7
Montana ED
Nebraska ED
Nevada +7
New Hampshire  ED
New Jersey ED
New Mexico ED
New York  +13
North Carolina  +9
North Dakota +6
Ohio +10
Oklahoma ED
Oregon ED
Pennsylvania +6
Rhode Island +7
South Carolina ED
South Dakota ED
Tennessee ED
Texas +6
Utah +13
Vermont  ED
Virginia +3
Washington ED
West Virginia  +6
Wisconsin ED
Wyoming ED
Wyoming

22 States require ballots be received by Election Day.
28 States allow some grace period for the delivery of ballots postmarked by election day.
source https://www.fvap.gov/guide
 
2020-10-30 12:33:18 PM  
They did not declare him winner in Arizona back in 2016 until 3 days after the election. He did not have a problem with it then.

He can fark right off.
 
2020-10-30 12:33:18 PM  
Being post marked by election day is probably the most democratic solution i ever heard of. We need more of that.
 
2020-10-30 12:34:27 PM  

dletter: Trump promoting the fact that vote counting "ends" when talking heads on the TV first say that a race is "won" is peak "Trump speak".

I mean, if that was the case, Gore won Florida and the entire 2000s is fake!!!!


Man. Do-over


This time I'm not marrying.my now ex wife.
 
2020-10-30 12:34:32 PM  
I DO NOT KNOW HOW ELEACTAIONS WOARK!!
 
2020-10-30 12:34:56 PM  
Why does Trump hate the military?
 
2020-10-30 12:35:29 PM  
Why do we let people reject reality and substitute their own?
 
2020-10-30 12:35:41 PM  
Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-10-30 12:36:14 PM  
It's saying a lot but this is one of the corrosive things I think Trump has said.  Elections aren't over until the votes are counted and it has been that way for over a thousand years.

We are going to have hick riots when at 12:01 metro areas are still working through the count.  Like they do EVERY ELECTION.  Trump can manipulate hicks with appeals to ignorance like Yo-Yo Ma can manipulate a cello.
 
2020-10-30 12:36:22 PM  

zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?


Yes.
 
2020-10-30 12:36:24 PM  
Can you imagine what will happen during that nine day period.

You'll do something racist and illegal again?
 
2020-10-30 12:36:30 PM  
Then pay enough to make vote counting a desirable job.
 
2020-10-30 12:36:49 PM  
People fought and died in wars for the right to vote.

Deny the right to vote to the people and it's a declaration of war against them, and that's one of the rights the 2nd amendment was actually made for.

fark with it at your own peril.
 
2020-10-30 12:36:50 PM  
Keep in mind Trump's base are the same people who suddenly decided that wearing a mask chokes you to death despite masks being in common use for their entire lives.
 
2020-10-30 12:37:10 PM  
I thought it didn't count until the Electoral College delegates actually cast their votes?  Remember how in 2016 we hung on that little bit of hope that a few extra delegates would vote for that uninspiring buttery males lady?

//I wonder how many delegates are now on the Koch payroll in 2020
 
2020-10-30 12:37:37 PM  

optimistic_cynic: zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?

Yes.


But they will still beat it like a dead Clydesdale
 
2020-10-30 12:37:56 PM  
Has someone mentioned this to Kavanaugh?

I don't think he got the memo is my point here.
 
2020-10-30 12:38:03 PM  

zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?


They know the results are whatever the president says they are, and if all else fails the president is already publicly stating the Supreme Court HAS to find that he won the election this coming Tuesday because Roberts et al have to ask themselves if they would rather have nominees picked by him or Trump joining the bench and they owe him this.
 
2020-10-30 12:38:35 PM  
Whatever he wants to tell himself while he's packing up his binders full of blank paper.
 
2020-10-30 12:38:49 PM  

chawco: dletter: Trump promoting the fact that vote counting "ends" when talking heads on the TV first say that a race is "won" is peak "Trump speak".

I mean, if that was the case, Gore won Florida and the entire 2000s is fake!!!!

Man. Do-over


This time I'm not marrying.my now ex wife.


We can't risk changing the timeline that much, so put on a suit and get up to that altar, stat!
 
2020-10-30 12:39:11 PM  
Is it worth pointing out that the election does end on November 3rd, not just in NC but in every US State and territory?  Any ballot postmarked on, say, November 4th, is going to be invalidated.
 
2020-10-30 12:40:07 PM  
Desperation
 
2020-10-30 12:42:05 PM  

Gubbo: Look. There will be a 30 second window of voting. It will not be announced. It will begin when Donald Trump casts his vote and end the moment after he casts his vote.

All legitimately received votes will be counted fairly and correctly.


You forgot to mention that the actual ballot will only be on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-10-30 12:42:19 PM  

Devolving_Spud: I thought it didn't count until the Electoral College delegates actually cast their votes?  Remember how in 2016 we hung on that little bit of hope that a few extra delegates would vote for that uninspiring buttery males lady?

//I wonder how many delegates are now on the Koch payroll in 2020


Technically Trump is talking about each individual election of EC electors.

He isn't smart enough to know that but that is what he is doing.
 
2020-10-30 12:42:22 PM  
Just gives Hillary and Hunter Biden the time they need to Xerox millions of ballots and have illegals from George Soros' secret country send in absentee ballots to mysterious, unknown post offices where liberal judges will insist each ballot counts twice!

All guns will be seized
The MAC addresses of conservatives will direct Obama Enforcers to where they are.  They'll be rounded up and sent to FEMA camps where they'll be processed in to Soylent Red for Chinese peasants
Every poor family will get a refrigerator making that number 100%
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2020-10-30 12:42:48 PM  
And even when it's REALLY called, it's not over. Ever. We'll be hearing about 2024 before the 2021 inauguration. Especially if Trump loses.
 
2020-10-30 12:43:26 PM  

quatchi: Has someone mentioned this to Kavanaugh?

I don't think he got the memo is my point here.


"The state of Vermont has not changed their voting rules, requiring the Secretary of State to certify a winner at 8:00:01 PM on election day, therefore all other states must follow suit"
 
2020-10-30 12:43:40 PM  
Bush was announced the winner three weeks later after several lawsuits filed by his campaign to continue to count absentee ballots, including those not postmarked, witnessed or signed before Election Day.
 
2020-10-30 12:44:40 PM  
Who would have thought that a man whose highest civic education comprised of appearances on WWE and running businesses into the ground would have a made-for-TV understanding of the electoral process?
 
2020-10-30 12:44:49 PM  

eKonk: Is it worth pointing out that the election does end on November 3rd, not just in NC but in every US State and territory?  Any ballot postmarked on, say, November 4th, is going to be invalidated.


Which isn't the issue. The GOP is trying to keep ballots postmarked Nov. 3rd from being counted if they arrive a few days later. Also they slowed the postal service so ballots arrive a few days later.
 
2020-10-30 12:45:07 PM  

eKonk: Is it worth pointing out that the election does end on November 3rd, not just in NC but in every US State and territory?  Any ballot postmarked on, say, November 4th, is going to be invalidated.


Not really. These chucklefarks want to invalidate all ballots that are received after the 3d, no matter when they're postmarked.
 
2020-10-30 12:45:16 PM  
This is a result of people failing to get a decent Civics class. The election has never ended on election, doubly so for a Presidential election.

First off, military votes are normally counted (as long as there is a valid postmark) up to a week (or sometimes longer!) after election day. Well, until this election because the Rethuglican Party hates the military and is demanding all absentee votes (even those with a valid postmark on or before) that arrive after election day are made invalid in several states.

Second, most states are counting through the night and into the next day. Then they need to double check vote counts. This usually takes a few days as well.

Third, the results need to certified by the proper people in the state. This also takes time.

Steps one through three take so long sometimes that they don't even typically have a certified result until late November or early December. Hence that's why:

Fourth, for Presidential elections the Electoral College meets in December to cast their ballots. Technically speaking, in many states, the electors are obliged to vote for the winner of the popular vote but there are no penalties if they choose to vote for someone else. There are some states now that have penalties for "faithless electors" but many still do not have any.

Fifth, and most importantly, counting all that paper takes time. The more people there are, the longer it takes. We're faster today, thanks to machinery, than ever before but it still takes weeks to accurately count any major election in any given state.

Trump is a moron and his followers are uneducated morons if they believe one word of his "Election night results are what count!" tweets. Of course we knew they were morons already or they wouldn't vote for Trump.
 
2020-10-30 12:46:42 PM  

Gubbo: Look. There will be a 30 second window of voting. It will not be announced. It will begin when Donald Trump casts his vote and end the moment after he casts his vote.

All legitimately received votes will be counted fairly and correctly.


sounds about right. also,

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2020-10-30 12:48:58 PM  

zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?


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the rubes don't, the complicit wealthy absolutely do
 
2020-10-30 12:49:16 PM  
He brings out the worst in me, because at this point I honestly just hope he has a stroke while on stage at a rally and spends the next 15 years drooling in a wheelchair, aware enough to know what happened to him but incapable of doing anything else but taking spoonfuls of pudding from a nurse.

Not even being hyperbolic.

I hope for that.

I hope for it because it's honestly the only real justice he will ever see. He might destroy our institutions and steal the election. There is a real danger of that, and no one is holding him accountable. Even if he loses, he's going to sow chaos and hate and violence, and he'll campaign continuously for 2024 starting Jan. 21. The idea that New York State will take him down and he'll go to prison is a pure pipe dream. And on and on and on and on.

He will never have to face the consequences of who he is and what he's done.

So let him go on stage, bust a vein, and spend his remaining years eating pudding. It's about the most realistic chance we have of the universe making things right.
 
2020-10-30 12:50:19 PM  
And yes, I am ashamed to think that way. It makes me uncomfortable. It's not the kind of person I want to be. I don't like feeling that way and am not proud of it.

But I'd be dishonest if I denied it.
 
2020-10-30 12:50:34 PM  
There are now a minimum of 3 votes on the Supreme Court who would vote to end the vote count whenever Trump says it should end, absolutely regardless of precedent, history, logic or basic common sense.  Two more are questionable.

Those two votes are the only ones that really matter.
 
2020-10-30 12:50:50 PM  

wademh: The law requires the count to be kept open.  These are the allowances for service members and families voting from overseas.

Alabama allow +7 days post election to receive military absentee ballots postmarked by election day.
Alaska +15 days
Arizona ED Election day
Arkansas  +10
California +17
Colorado +8
Connecticut ED
Delaware ED
Florida  +10
Georgia +3
Hawaii ED
Idaho  ED
Illinois +14
Indiana +10
Iowa +6
Maine ED
Maryland +10
Massachusetts  +10
Michigan ED
Minnesota  ED
Missouri  +3
Mississippi  *7
Montana ED
Nebraska ED
Nevada +7
New Hampshire  ED
New Jersey ED
New Mexico ED
New York  +13
North Carolina  +9
North Dakota +6
Ohio +10
Oklahoma ED
Oregon ED
Pennsylvania +6
Rhode Island +7
South Carolina ED
South Dakota ED
Tennessee ED
Texas +6
Utah +13
Vermont  ED
Virginia +3
Washington ED
West Virginia  +6
Wisconsin ED
Wyoming ED
Wyoming

22 States require ballots be received by Election Day.
28 States allow some grace period for the delivery of ballots postmarked by election day.
source https://www.fvap.gov/guide


Washington's deadline isn't really election day. We're an all vote-by-mail state and the rule is that all ballots must be postmarked by election day. We never have a complete count for at least a few days.
 
2020-10-30 12:51:57 PM  

shoegaze99: He brings out the worst in me, because at this point I honestly just hope he has a stroke while on stage at a rally and spends the next 15 years drooling in a wheelchair, aware enough to know what happened to him but incapable of doing anything else but taking spoonfuls of pudding from a nurse.


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I can arrange that
 
2020-10-30 12:54:05 PM  

shoegaze99: He brings out the worst in me, because at this point I honestly just hope he has a stroke while on stage at a rally and spends the next 15 years drooling in a wheelchair, aware enough to know what happened to him but incapable of doing anything else but taking spoonfuls of pudding from a nurse.

Not even being hyperbolic.

I hope for that.


A gay, black, male nurse. With a heavy accent.

But I'm not a monster.  I wouldn't force that on him.

I'd ask for volunteers.
 
2020-10-30 12:54:31 PM  
In New Jersey (which this election is almost entirely absentee ballot), Republicans were complaining that the votes would start being counted before election day.

So...

Republicans don't want votes collected before election day, they don't want them collected after election day.

If I didn't know better, I'd almost think the Republicans just don't want the votes to be counted at all.
 
2020-10-30 12:54:51 PM  

d23: Trump can manipulate hicks with appeals to ignorance like Yo-Yo Ma can manipulate a cello.


Wow, great comparison! I've never heard of Yo-Yo Ma being referenced in such a way.

/bravo!
//   :)
 
2020-10-30 12:55:06 PM  

chawco: dletter: Trump promoting the fact that vote counting "ends" when talking heads on the TV first say that a race is "won" is peak "Trump speak".

I mean, if that was the case, Gore won Florida and the entire 2000s is fake!!!!

Man. Do-over


This time I'm not marrying.my now ex wife.


*raises hand* I have made a couple of  questionable decisions myself. Also I'd love to see how a Gore administration would have handled 9/11.  I'm in! Let's meet at the Large Hadron Collider as soon as we can travel again.
 
2020-10-30 12:55:16 PM  
Democrats are ahead in mail-in voting and early voting.

dumpy the redhat asshole there has convinced himself that on election day, a tidal wave of concealed trump voters will appear like magic and descend on the polls to somehow cast more votes in a single day than were cast by all the other voters in all the days preceding it.

This will, he believes, put him into the lead, and he will then declare himself the winner.

He's counting on his rigged supreme court to end it for him there, stopping all counting at that point, so that no more votes can arrive to take his win away.

I'm hoping that the historic number of votes which have been cast so far will kill that plan stone dead the moment the first results start rolling in.
 
2020-10-30 12:55:17 PM  

shoegaze99: And yes, I am ashamed to think that way. It makes me uncomfortable. It's not the kind of person I want to be. I don't like feeling that way and am not proud of it.

But I'd be dishonest if I denied it.


If it makes you feel any better, I have thought the same thing.
 
2020-10-30 12:55:25 PM  
I am a free-thinking rugged individualist whose opinion on this issue is entirely consistent with the right-wing propaganda in our billion-dollar corporate process, and in no way exacerbated by the emotional investment I have in the politicians who act as my lone outlet for control in an increasingly complicated world that I promoted through my enthusiastic support for economic growth.
 
2020-10-30 12:55:45 PM  

eKonk: Is it worth pointing out that the election does end on November 3rd, not just in NC but in every US State and territory?  Any ballot postmarked on, say, November 4th, is going to be invalidated.


The ELECTION ends at the end of Election Day, yes,

The count does not, and it's the count he's talking about here, not the election itself. The ballots in question are ballots that would have been cast on or before Election Day. At issue are whether or not they should be counted.

And they should be. They were cast on or before Election Day. They are valid ballots.

The count is never finished and certified on Election Day. We may think it is because television networks usually call the election that night, but the actual count takes some time to finish and certify.

Since Donald Trump only knows what he sees on TV, he doesn't understand this.

Bottom line is, this isn't about allowing people to vote after Election Day, it's about counting votes that were cast BEFORE Election Day but that weren't received until after thanks to the post office.
 
2020-10-30 12:55:46 PM  

zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?


The rubes I know when I bring up what about military votes say that they serve at the pleasure of the president so it doesnt matter who they vote for they have to listen to him. They also are now on the kick of even you are in line at (fill in the time) your vote shouldnt count since you didn't "vote" by the ending time.
 
2020-10-30 12:57:00 PM  
So... no votes after Election Day, and they're doing their best to discredit early voting and vote by mail. And they're destroying in-person voting on Election Day by closing precincts.

I wouldn't put it past them to try to cancel in person voting on Tuesday because of Covid.

Farking traitors to democracy.
 
2020-10-30 12:57:11 PM  

I know a guy: In New Jersey (which this election is almost entirely absentee ballot), Republicans were complaining that the votes would start being counted before election day.

So...

Republicans don't want votes collected counted before election day, they don't want them collected counted after election day.

If I didn't know better, I'd almost think the Republicans just don't want the votes to be counted at all.


Duh. "counted", not "collected".
 
2020-10-30 12:58:39 PM  
The ironic thing is - he's going to take an epic ass beating on Nov. 3rd.  Then the law suits begin.  My guess is that the litigation will still be ongoing as he is forced to watch Biden's inauguration.  So basically, he will try to keep the election going for months and months after November 3rd.

I had no idea that a person could produce a tweet that didn't age well from the very second you posted it - but here we are.  Thank you 2020.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-10-30 1:00:23 PM  

shoegaze99: Bottom line is, this isn't about allowing people to vote after Election Day, it's about counting votes that were cast BEFORE Election Day but that weren't received until after thanks to the post office.


Right.  But we will have trouble because of the direct appeal to ignorance.

Joe Sixpack here in Indiana thinks it's over on Tuesday at 11:00pm, doesn't know there is a certification process, and he is a Trump cultist.  When Trump says "they've had to count past the next day" these idiots believe him.
 
2020-10-30 1:00:38 PM  
I love how the election is supposed to start and end on 11/3, voting in person only, requiring ID...

Assuming everyone has the day off, is in their home area, is motile... in California for example, 40 million people are supposed to vote in 1 day? During a pandemic? How many thousands of polling places would that require?
That crush is supposed to be more reliable and secure than having a ballot mailed to you to fill out and drop off in secure box?

The insanity of the republican wet dream is more than transparent, and it should be grounds for a 72 hour mental health hold.
 
2020-10-30 1:00:58 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I am a free-thinking rugged individualist whose opinion on this issue is entirely consistent with the right-wing propaganda in our billion-dollar corporate process, and in no way exacerbated by the emotional investment I have in the politicians who act as my lone outlet for control in an increasingly complicated world that I promoted through my enthusiastic support for economic growth.


I just like goosestepping around wearing nothing but bedsheets and brown shirts.
 
2020-10-30 1:02:37 PM  

Brian The Fist: he will try to keep the election going for months and months after November 3rd.


Yup, this right here. Here's his twaddle, translated for accuracy:

The Election should END on November 3 unless I lose, in which case the courts should take as long as possible to rig a win for me.
 
2020-10-30 1:02:41 PM  

Percise1: I love how the election is supposed to start and end on 11/3, voting in person only, requiring ID...

Assuming everyone has the day off, is in their home area, is motile... in California for example, 40 million people are supposed to vote in 1 day? During a pandemic? How many thousands of polling places would that require?
That crush is supposed to be more reliable and secure than having a ballot mailed to you to fill out and drop off in secure box?

The insanity of the republican wet dream is more than transparent, and it should be grounds for a 72 hour mental health hold.


It's almost like the Republicans don't WANT you to vote. Strange...
 
2020-10-30 1:03:06 PM  
Ok, how long before this whiney biatch screams for a recount when it's clear Biden's beating him so badly he alternates between an Eastern European accent and telling "Daddy stop hitting me!"
 
2020-10-30 1:03:57 PM  

SFSailor: shoegaze99: He brings out the worst in me, because at this point I honestly just hope he has a stroke while on stage at a rally and spends the next 15 years drooling in a wheelchair, aware enough to know what happened to him but incapable of doing anything else but taking spoonfuls of pudding from a nurse.

Not even being hyperbolic.

I hope for that.

A gay, black, male nurse. With a heavy accent.

But I'm not a monster.  I wouldn't force that on him.

I'd ask for volunteers.


Nice...
;)
 
2020-10-30 1:04:13 PM  
You're right subby. In 2016, the election didn't even happen until Nov. 8th.
 
2020-10-30 1:05:23 PM  

Brian The Fist: The ironic thing is - he's going to take an epic ass beating on Nov. 3rd.  Then the law suits begin.  My guess is that the litigation will still be ongoing as he is forced to watch Biden's inauguration.  So basically, he will try to keep the election going for months and months after November 3rd.


This is fair take.  Call it gaslighting or whatever you want, but this is an administration that has spent four years trying to push their alternate view of reality on the country and the world.  That isn't going to just stop next Tuesday.
 
2020-10-30 1:05:27 PM  
Wait until the election is projected for Biden before the next morning.
 
2020-10-30 1:06:13 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: I just like goosestepping around wearing nothing but bedsheets and brown shirts.


Just make sure to segregate the two when you do the laundry.  Don't ever want to mix whites with colors.
 
2020-10-30 1:06:28 PM  

Gubbo: Look. There will be a 30 second window of voting. It will not be announced. It will begin when Donald Trump casts his vote and end the moment after he casts his vote.


Are you ready, Melania?  3...2...1...

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2020-10-30 1:06:29 PM  

ImpendingCynic: I wouldn't put it past them to try to cancel in person voting on Tuesday because of Covid.


That already happened.
 
2020-10-30 1:06:59 PM  

shoegaze99: eKonk: Is it worth pointing out that the election does end on November 3rd, not just in NC but in every US State and territory?  Any ballot postmarked on, say, November 4th, is going to be invalidated.

The ELECTION ends at the end of Election Day, yes,

The count does not, and it's the count he's talking about here, not the election itself. The ballots in question are ballots that would have been cast on or before Election Day. At issue are whether or not they should be counted.

And they should be. They were cast on or before Election Day. They are valid ballots.

The count is never finished and certified on Election Day. We may think it is because television networks usually call the election that night, but the actual count takes some time to finish and certify.

Since Donald Trump only knows what he sees on TV, he doesn't understand this.

Bottom line is, this isn't about allowing people to vote after Election Day, it's about counting votes that were cast BEFORE Election Day but that weren't received until after thanks to the post office.


Hell, in 2016, they didn't get certified until Jan 6.
 
2020-10-30 1:07:23 PM  
We get it - you're scared of losing.
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2020-10-30 1:08:13 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: Percise1: I love how the election is supposed to start and end on 11/3, voting in person only, requiring ID...

Assuming everyone has the day off, is in their home area, is motile... in California for example, 40 million people are supposed to vote in 1 day? During a pandemic? How many thousands of polling places would that require?
That crush is supposed to be more reliable and secure than having a ballot mailed to you to fill out and drop off in secure box?

The insanity of the republican wet dream is more than transparent, and it should be grounds for a 72 hour mental health hold.

It's almost like the Republicans don't WANT you to vote. Strange...


That's really odd since I am blue collar, white, and middle aged... you'd think they'd drive me to the polls, wine and dine me all night long and buy me breakfast in the morning.
Now, not wanting those other types, that I could see...
 
2020-10-30 1:08:32 PM  

Badmoodman: For the record, the election has never ended on November 3.


November 3rd is not a fixed election date Subby. It's the first Tuesday in November that follows the first Monday in October. So, it can be anywhere from Nov. 2nd to Nov. 8th.


A lot of people don't know that.

I mean, they do. But some don't.
 
2020-10-30 1:08:55 PM  

RasIanI: We get it - you're scared of losing.
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no don't shake mr. skellys hand its a trapppppppppppp
 
2020-10-30 1:09:00 PM  

Brian The Fist: The ironic thing is - he's going to take an epic ass beating on Nov. 3rd.


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2020-10-30 1:10:16 PM  

Gubbo: Look. There will be a 30 second window of voting. It will not be announced. It will begin when Donald Trump casts his vote and end the moment after he casts his vote.

All legitimately received votes will be counted fairly and correctly.


So the plan hinges on the Shiatgibbon correctly filling out his ballot. Hmmm...
 
2020-10-30 1:10:33 PM  

Gubbo: Look. There will be a 30 second window of voting. It will not be announced. It will begin when Donald Trump casts his vote and end the moment after he casts his vote.

All legitimately received votes will be counted fairly and correctly.


And yet according to him, he will have still have gotten the most votes in history
 
2020-10-30 1:10:37 PM  

gilgigamesh: shoegaze99: And yes, I am ashamed to think that way. It makes me uncomfortable. It's not the kind of person I want to be. I don't like feeling that way and am not proud of it.

But I'd be dishonest if I denied it.

If it makes you feel any better, I have thought the same thing.


To some extent it does, yes.

I'll never claim to be a saint -- far from it -- but I don't want to be a monster, either.

But I know I'm not alone in this. Even Trump knows he brings this out in people (and he revels in it). Woodward quotes him: "I bring rage out. I do bring rage out. I always have. I don't know if that's an asset or a liability, but whatever it is, I do."

For my part, I just want him removed from power and influence, and for him to be deeply humbled in an unavoidable way.

That would be justice.
 
2020-10-30 1:11:18 PM  
If Biden is ahead on election night, you can bet your ass that Trump will be screaming for the counting to keep going and going.
 
2020-10-30 1:11:29 PM  

wademh: The law requires the count to be kept open.  These are the allowances for service members and families voting from overseas.


Donald Trump's approach to letting his supporters in the armed forces have their say doesn't involve waiting for a few ballots to trickle in from the other side of the planet.

If Beer Boy and Handmaid Amy can't find some legal excuse to save his skin, don't rule out his ordering anybody in the US armed forces still willing to obey him to do it for them.

Augusto Pinochet lost the 1990 referendum in which he asked for a mandate to effectively remain Chile's dictator---something he only agreed to because he was sure he could not lose. When he did lose, his first instinct was another violent crackdown on his opponents. The only thing that prevented another bloodbath was his own generals telling him as one: "Gus, it's over."
 
2020-10-30 1:12:30 PM  
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2020-10-30 1:13:53 PM  

Mikey1969: shoegaze99: Bottom line is, this isn't about allowing people to vote after Election Day, it's about counting votes that were cast BEFORE Election Day but that weren't received until after thanks to the post office.

Hell, in 2016, they didn't get certified until Jan 6.


Yep. Some people might remember that there was a shift in the electoral votes several weeks after the election. And there were 7 faithless electors, 2 pledged to Trump and 5 pledged to Clinton, who voted for someone else. That's something we couldn't have known would happen on Election Day.
 
2020-10-30 1:15:08 PM  
CSB.  Too bad the headline is meaningless.  We've always had a concession on the night of the election or (in the case of Salty Hillary) the very next day.
 
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2020-10-30 1:16:07 PM  

Mike_LowELL: ParallelUniverseParking: I just like goosestepping around wearing nothing but bedsheets and brown shirts.

Just make sure to segregate the two when you do the laundry.  Don't ever want to mix whites with colors.


Of course. I even have two washing machines. In two different rooms...and I hired an ex-cop to sit on top of the one for my colors...just in case it tries to move during the tumbling cycle.
 
2020-10-30 1:25:07 PM  

BMulligan: wademh: The law requires the count to be kept open.  These are the allowances for service members and families voting from overseas.

Alabama allow +7 days post election to receive military absentee ballots postmarked by election day.
Alaska +15 days
Arizona ED Election day
Arkansas  +10
California +17
Colorado +8
Connecticut ED
Delaware ED
Florida  +10
Georgia +3
Hawaii ED
Idaho  ED
Illinois +14
Indiana +10
Iowa +6
Maine ED
Maryland +10
Massachusetts  +10
Michigan ED
Minnesota  ED
Missouri  +3
Mississippi  *7
Montana ED
Nebraska ED
Nevada +7
New Hampshire  ED
New Jersey ED
New Mexico ED
New York  +13
North Carolina  +9
North Dakota +6
Ohio +10
Oklahoma ED
Oregon ED
Pennsylvania +6
Rhode Island +7
South Carolina ED
South Dakota ED
Tennessee ED
Texas +6
Utah +13
Vermont  ED
Virginia +3
Washington ED
West Virginia  +6
Wisconsin ED
Wyoming ED
Wyoming

22 States require ballots be received by Election Day.
28 States allow some grace period for the delivery of ballots postmarked by election day.
source https://www.fvap.gov/guide

Washington's deadline isn't really election day. We're an all vote-by-mail state and the rule is that all ballots must be postmarked by election day. We never have a complete count for at least a few days.


In Oregon, ballots do have to be in hands of election officials by 8:00 PM on election day. I would like to see the deadline extended for ballots that are postmarked by election day, but we've been a vote-by-mail state for a couple of decades and we're familiar with the rules. We also have drop-boxes, and the media and election officials do a good job letting people know when it's too late for the mail.
 
2020-10-30 1:26:53 PM  
Technically the voting part of the election does indeed end on November 3.  The counting of the votes and certifying of the results does not however.  So in some respects if you could say the "election is over" And the vote counting begins, and the results are announced.
 
2020-10-30 1:27:51 PM  

durbnpoisn: If Biden is ahead on election night, you can bet your ass that Trump will be screaming for the counting to keep going and going.


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2020-10-30 1:28:53 PM  
So the official GOP position is that we can't even begin to count any ballots that arrive before election day, but we also can't continue to count any ballots once election day is over.

What the fark is this shiat?  We should be both tabulating absentee ballots as they arrive and counting all valid ballots until the counting is finished.
 
2020-10-30 1:30:47 PM  

RussianPotato: CSB.  Too bad the headline is meaningless.  We've always had a concession on the night of the election or (in the case of Salty Hillary) the very next day.


No we haven't.
 
2020-10-30 1:32:33 PM  

BeansNfranks: Being post marked by election day is probably the most democratic solution i ever heard of. We need more of that.


Especially when the admin has worked overtime to hobble the USPS so delivery of ballots is delayed. Despicable behavior for him to then turn around and say, "The vote count stops when I say it does, damn the law!"
 
2020-10-30 1:34:17 PM  

Pin Fiften Clob: RussianPotato: CSB.  Too bad the headline is meaningless.  We've always had a concession on the night of the election or (in the case of Salty Hillary) the very next day.

No we haven't.


I was waiting for someone to point out the 2000 election.

Yes, that went so very well for the country didn't it?
 
2020-10-30 1:39:44 PM  

optimistic_cynic: zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?

Yes.


Is there really any doubt left that they're not just simple country folk taken in by a big city huckster and that they are in reality knowing accomplices to treason and fascism?
 
2020-10-30 1:40:37 PM  
According to the US Code (3 U.S.C. §7) the Monday after the second Wednesday in December of presidential election years is when the Electoral College votes which falls on Dec 14th 2020.

One could argue that they can legally keep counting until Dec 13th.
 
2020-10-30 1:42:54 PM  

bainsguy: zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?

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the rubes don't, the complicit wealthy absolutely do


It's astounding that liberals are still telling themselves that Republicans are dumb instead of evil.

The rubes are perfectly aware.
 
2020-10-30 1:45:34 PM  

Percise1: The insanity of the republican wet dream is more than transparent, and it should be grounds for a 72 hour mental health hold.


Specifically from November 2nd to the 5th.
 
2020-10-30 1:48:04 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: chawco: dletter: Trump promoting the fact that vote counting "ends" when talking heads on the TV first say that a race is "won" is peak "Trump speak".

I mean, if that was the case, Gore won Florida and the entire 2000s is fake!!!!

Man. Do-over


This time I'm not marrying.my now ex wife.

*raises hand* I have made a couple of  questionable decisions myself. Also I'd love to see how a Gore administration would have handled 9/11.  I'm in! Let's meet at the Large Hadron Collider as soon as we can travel again.


"President Gore!  There's someone claiming to be a time traveller or parallel universe traverser or something shouting about 9/11 and wondering how you handled it!  Do you have any idea what he's talking about?"

"Do you mean 7/11?  Why is 9/11 so important to him?  See if you can get some details."

"Mr. President, have you ever heard of someone named, 'Osama Bin Laden'?"

"Oh, that Saudi radical?  I recall something in one of my Daily Briefings.  The CIA bankrupted him and turned over his network to InterPol.  If he thinks that led to a problem, him write it up... but right now, I have to get to the ribbon cutting ceremony at the new fusion plant in California.  Make sure Ford Flying EV 1 is ready for me in 15."
 
2020-10-30 1:48:55 PM  
Hey, no problem Donnypants.  We can just change all the well thought out rules to benefit democracy to conform with your ignorant fascist imaginings of the moment.  No assault on the country is too vile to keep you from facing jail for your own crimes, none at all.
 
2020-10-30 1:50:24 PM  

silverblues: Why does Trump hate the military?


He's a Republican.
 
2020-10-30 1:51:16 PM  

shoegaze99: He brings out the worst in me, because at this point I honestly just hope he has a stroke while on stage at a rally and spends the next 15 years drooling in a wheelchair, aware enough to know what happened to him but incapable of doing anything else but taking spoonfuls of pudding from a nurse.

Not even being hyperbolic.

I hope for that.

I hope for it because it's honestly the only real justice he will ever see. He might destroy our institutions and steal the election. There is a real danger of that, and no one is holding him accountable. Even if he loses, he's going to sow chaos and hate and violence, and he'll campaign continuously for 2024 starting Jan. 21. The idea that New York State will take him down and he'll go to prison is a pure pipe dream. And on and on and on and on.

He will never have to face the consequences of who he is and what he's done.

So let him go on stage, bust a vein, and spend his remaining years eating pudding. It's about the most realistic chance we have of the universe making things right.


Actually, I hope they just tell him it's pudding.
 
2020-10-30 1:52:50 PM  
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2020-10-30 1:53:02 PM  

RussianPotato: Pin Fiften Clob: RussianPotato: CSB.  Too bad the headline is meaningless.  We've always had a concession on the night of the election or (in the case of Salty Hillary) the very next day.

No we haven't.

I was waiting for someone to point out the 2000 election.

Yes, that went so very well for the country didn't it?


Move those goal posts.

But a concession speech is not even relevant to this conversation. There were plenty of other presidential elections besides 2000 that didn't have a concession speech on the night of or the next day. You know why? Because the votes took a while to be counted and the results took a while to be reported. Just like what is likely going to be happening on Tuesday, due to the large increase of mail in voting.
 
2020-10-30 2:00:28 PM  
He's saying doing things the way they've always been done is "bad for our country"

Seems like it's only bad for him.
 
2020-10-30 2:02:15 PM  

wademh: The law requires the count to be kept open.  These are the allowances for service members and families voting from overseas.

Alabama allow +7 days post election to receive military absentee ballots postmarked by election day.
Alaska +15 days
Arizona ED Election day
Arkansas  +10
California +17
Colorado +8
Connecticut ED
Delaware ED
Florida  +10
Georgia +3
Hawaii ED
Idaho  ED
Illinois +14
Indiana +10
Iowa +6
Maine ED
Maryland +10
Massachusetts  +10
Michigan ED
Minnesota  ED
Missouri  +3
Mississippi  *7
Montana ED
Nebraska ED
Nevada +7
New Hampshire  ED
New Jersey ED
New Mexico ED
New York  +13
North Carolina  +9
North Dakota +6
Ohio +10
Oklahoma ED
Oregon ED
Pennsylvania +6
Rhode Island +7
South Carolina ED
South Dakota ED
Tennessee ED
Texas +6
Utah +13
Vermont  ED
Virginia +3
Washington ED
West Virginia  +6
Wisconsin ED
Wyoming ED
Wyoming

22 States require ballots be received by Election Day.
28 States allow some grace period for the delivery of ballots postmarked by election day.
source https://www.fvap.gov/guide


no wonder Viagra is so popular.  Look at all those states with ED!
 
2020-10-30 2:22:56 PM  

Gubbo: Look. There will be a 30 second window of voting. It will not be announced. It will begin when Donald Trump casts his vote and end the moment after he casts his vote.

All legitimately received votes will be counted fairly and correctly.


and welcome New President Biden, as that blind son of a biatch checked the wrong column on his ballot.. HA
 
2020-10-30 2:26:24 PM  

WhackingDay: Why do we let people reject reality and substitute their own?


Well, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, I'm fine with it. In this case, as others have rightly said,

He can f*ck right off!
 
2020-10-30 2:33:13 PM  
It is going to be different this year because there are so many more mail in ballots. Usually they can say "Trump has 250,000 votes and Clinton has 200,000 votes. There are only 20,000 absentee ballots so we can call it for Trump."  This year it's much more likely that the number of ballots to be processed Is greater than the Election Day Marvin.
 
2020-10-30 2:36:54 PM  

shoegaze99: Mikey1969: shoegaze99: Bottom line is, this isn't about allowing people to vote after Election Day, it's about counting votes that were cast BEFORE Election Day but that weren't received until after thanks to the post office.

Hell, in 2016, they didn't get certified until Jan 6.

Yep. Some people might remember that there was a shift in the electoral votes several weeks after the election. And there were 7 faithless electors, 2 pledged to Trump and 5 pledged to Clinton, who voted for someone else. That's something we couldn't have known would happen on Election Day.


Faithless electors should be illegal. They claim that they are voting the way "they" want to, but they are representing millions of votes, it's absolute bullshiat.
 
2020-10-30 2:56:36 PM  

optimistic_cynic: zorkmcgork: Do the MAGA rubes know and understand that this a complete lie?

Yes...


... but it's to their (perceived) benefit, so they're OK with it.

Completed that thought for ya.
 
2020-10-30 3:06:34 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Just gives Hillary and Hunter Biden the time they need to Xerox millions of ballots and have illegals from George Soros' secret country send in absentee ballots to mysterious, unknown post offices where liberal judges will insist each ballot counts twice!

All guns will be seized
The MAC addresses of conservatives will direct Obama Enforcers to where they are.  They'll be rounded up and sent to FEMA camps where they'll be processed in to Soylent Red for Chinese peasants
Every poor family will get a refrigerator making that number 100%
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... Uh ...  Username checks out ...
 
2020-10-30 3:16:38 PM  

bloobeary: Democrats are ahead in mail-in voting and early voting.

dumpy the redhat asshole there has convinced himself that on election day, a tidal wave of concealed trump voters will appear like magic and descend on the polls to somehow cast more votes in a single day than were cast by all the other voters in all the days preceding it.

This will, he believes, put him into the lead, and he will then declare himself the winner.

He's counting on his rigged supreme court to end it for him there, stopping all counting at that point, so that no more votes can arrive to take his win away.

I'm hoping that the historic number of votes which have been cast so far will kill that plan stone dead the moment the first results start rolling in.


Do you realize that "Dumpy the Red Hat Asshole" scans identically to "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer"?

Get to work on the lyrics, folks!  Do you think we could Weird Al to cut a video?
 
2020-10-30 3:27:50 PM  

shoegaze99: gilgigamesh: shoegaze99: And yes, I am ashamed to think that way. It makes me uncomfortable. It's not the kind of person I want to be. I don't like feeling that way and am not proud of it.

But I'd be dishonest if I denied it.

If it makes you feel any better, I have thought the same thing.

To some extent it does, yes.

I'll never claim to be a saint -- far from it -- but I don't want to be a monster, either.

But I know I'm not alone in this. Even Trump knows he brings this out in people (and he revels in it). Woodward quotes him: "I bring rage out. I do bring rage out. I always have. I don't know if that's an asset or a liability, but whatever it is, I do."

For my part, I just want him removed from power and influence, and for him to be deeply humbled in an unavoidable way.

That would be justice.


He can't be humbled.  That would require some degree of self-awareness and at least the capacity for humility.

I'd settle for having his head caved in with a sledge hammer.
 
2020-10-30 3:31:51 PM  

kbronsito: Notice how any decisions to allow more ways to vote, count votes, extending registration deadlines are all clearly meant to apply across the board. Whether you are a Dem, a Trumpanzee, Independent or one of those morons throwing away your vote on a third party, these rules are meant to get you the same right to vote and your vote counted.

Isn't it funny how only one party has a problem with voting?


Old and busted:

Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo)
Youtube 8GBAsFwPglw


See also:

For nearly two decades, Weyrich, by his own account, had been trying out different issues, hoping one might pique evangelical interest: pornography, prayer in schools, the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, even abortion. "I was trying to get these people interested in those issues and I utterly failed," Weyrich recalled at a conference in 1990.
The Green v. Connally ruling provided a necessary first step: It captured the attention of evangelical leaders ,especially as the IRS began sending questionnaires to church-related "segregation academies," including Falwell's own Lynchburg Christian School, inquiring about their racial policies. Falwell was furious. "In some states," he famously complained, "It's easier to open a massage parlor than a Christian school."
One such school, Bob Jones University-a fundamentalist college in Greenville, South Carolina-was especially obdurate. The IRS had sent its first letter to Bob Jones University in November 1970 to ascertain whether or not it discriminated on the basis of race. The school responded defiantly: It did not admit African Americans.

Although Bob Jones Jr., the school's founder, argued that racial segregation was mandated by the Bible, Falwell and Weyrich quickly sought to shift the grounds of the debate, framing their opposition in terms of religious freedom rather than in defense of racial segregation. For decades, evangelical leaders had boasted that because their educational institutions accepted no federal money (except for, of course, not having to pay taxes) the government could not tell them how to run their shops-whom to hire or not, whom to admit or reject. The Civil Rights Act, however, changed that calculus.
Bob Jones University did, in fact, try to placate the IRS-in its own way. Following initial inquiries into the school's racial policies, Bob Jones admitted one African-American, a worker in its radio station, as a part-time student; he dropped out a month later. In 1975, again in an attempt to forestall IRS action, the school admitted blacks to the student body, but, out of fears of miscegenation, refused to admit  unmarried African-Americans. The school also stipulated that any students who engaged in interracial dating, or who were even associated with organizations that advocated interracial dating, would be expelled.
The IRS was not placated. On January 19, 1976, after years of warnings-integrate or pay taxes-the agency rescinded the school's tax exemption.
For many evangelical leaders, who had been following the issue since  Green v. Connally, Bob Jones University was the final straw. As Elmer L. Rumminger, longtime administrator at Bob Jones University, told me in an interview, the IRS actions against his school "alerted the Christian school community about what could happen with government interference" in the affairs of evangelical institutions. "That was really the major issue that got us all involved."
***
Weyrich saw that he had the beginningsof a conservative political movement, which is why, several years into President Jimmy Carter's term, he and other leaders of the nascent religious right blamed the Democratic president for the IRS actions against segregated schools-even though the policy was mandated by Nixon, and Bob Jones University had lost its tax exemption a year and a day before Carter was inaugurated as president. Falwell, Weyrich and others were undeterred by the niceties of facts. In their determination to elect a conservative, they would do anything to deny a Democrat, even a fellow evangelical like Carter, another term in the White House.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/sto​r​y/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins​-107133
 
2020-10-30 3:34:22 PM  

SFSailor: ParallelUniverseParking: chawco: dletter: Trump promoting the fact that vote counting "ends" when talking heads on the TV first say that a race is "won" is peak "Trump speak".

I mean, if that was the case, Gore won Florida and the entire 2000s is fake!!!!

Man. Do-over


This time I'm not marrying.my now ex wife.

*raises hand* I have made a couple of  questionable decisions myself. Also I'd love to see how a Gore administration would have handled 9/11.  I'm in! Let's meet at the Large Hadron Collider as soon as we can travel again.

"President Gore!  There's someone claiming to be a time traveller or parallel universe traverser or something shouting about 9/11 and wondering how you handled it!  Do you have any idea what he's talking about?"

"Do you mean 7/11?  Why is 9/11 so important to him?  See if you can get some details."

"Mr. President, have you ever heard of someone named, 'Osama Bin Laden'?"

"Oh, that Saudi radical?  I recall something in one of my Daily Briefings.  The CIA bankrupted him and turned over his network to InterPol.  If he thinks that led to a problem, him write it up... but right now, I have to get to the ribbon cutting ceremony at the new fusion plant in California.  Make sure Ford Flying EV 1 is ready for me in 15."


If you haven't read it, check out James P. Hogan's novel, "Thrice Upon a Time".
 
2020-10-30 4:45:57 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: If you haven't read it, check out James P. Hogan's novel, "Thrice Upon a Time".


< googles >

Ooo, interesting!  Thanks.  I'm not *huge* on pulp-y sci-fi, really, but if a Farker recommends it, it's goin' on the Amazon list, and that looks good.

Mikey1969: Faithless electors should be illegal. They claim that they are voting the way "they" want to, but they are representing millions of votes, it's absolute bullshiat.


But... if faithless electors are illegal, the EC is pointless, and we should just go popular vote.

I used to defend the EC, and living in CA taught me early on that direct popular vote ain't a great idea... but if they didn't / couldn't do their job in 2016 and thus prevent President Reality Show Rapist Dipshiat, we should just do away with it and go popular vote.
 
2020-10-30 5:09:11 PM  
The 2000 election was called (wrongly) after 36 DAYS.
 
2020-10-30 5:49:47 PM  

SFSailor: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: If you haven't read it, check out James P. Hogan's novel, "Thrice Upon a Time".

< googles >

Ooo, interesting!  Thanks.  I'm not *huge* on pulp-y sci-fi, really, but if a Farker recommends it, it's goin' on the Amazon list, and that looks good.

Mikey1969: Faithless electors should be illegal. They claim that they are voting the way "they" want to, but they are representing millions of votes, it's absolute bullshiat.

But... if faithless electors are illegal, the EC is pointless, and we should just go popular vote.

I used to defend the EC, and living in CA taught me early on that direct popular vote ain't a great idea... but if they didn't / couldn't do their job in 2016 and thus prevent President Reality Show Rapist Dipshiat, we should just do away with it and go popular vote.


What's not to like?  Time travel, Scottish castles, and cats!

For my money, it is simply the best theoretical model of a universe that permits "time travel" to the future or past (sending information only, not mass) there has ever been.  A significant part of the story involves the scientist NOT starting out understanding the "rules", but rather trying to figure them out via experiment.

That, to me, is the first *honest* depiction how things would work I've ever seen.

Hogan helped work on the development of radar during WWII.  He spent time after the war working for Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), then took time off to travel and sell insurance ("to learn something about people"), then settled down to a career as a science fiction author.

Alas, he died too soon, but I got to meet him at a BaltiCon.  One of his principles was that science should be honest, and follow wherever experiments and data lead us, paying no attention to politics or scientific dogma.

Hope you like it.
 
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