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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1918, the Ottoman Empire signed a treaty with Allies, marking the end of their involvement in World War One and depriving the Axis powers of a strategic footstool supply   (history.com) divider line
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2020-10-30 7:15:31 PM  
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2020-10-30 8:35:59 PM  
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2020-10-30 9:39:52 PM  
And yesterday in history, the Ottoman Empire joined the war in 1914.  Four years and one day.  A shame they couldn't have quit a day earlier.
 
2020-10-30 9:44:05 PM  
If you build an industrial complex in South Africa you can keep the Germans from taking Africa, securing the Mediterranean and forcing the Germans to put all their focus on the endless piles of infantry the Russian player will put on the board.
 
2020-10-30 9:44:42 PM  
Why did Constantinople get the works?
 
2020-10-30 9:47:59 PM  

Weatherkiss: Why did Constantinople get the works?


Perhaps we should involve ourselves more in their affairs.
 
2020-10-30 9:48:24 PM  
Subby, you magnificent bastard.
 
2020-10-30 9:51:57 PM  

Weatherkiss: Why did Constantinople get the works?


None ya beeswax. But ask the Turks
 
2020-10-30 9:58:27 PM  

shoegaze99: If you build an industrial complex in South Africa you can keep the Germans from taking Africa, securing the Mediterranean


How far is South Africa from the Mediterranean?

Not a trick question. Take your time.
 
2020-10-30 9:59:59 PM  
Long live the Hassock Republic!
 
2020-10-30 10:00:52 PM  
Is there a modern marvels for this? reading is hard.
 
2020-10-30 10:01:24 PM  
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2020-10-30 10:02:39 PM  
And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.
 
2020-10-30 10:03:30 PM  

shoegaze99: If you build an industrial complex in South Africa you can keep the Germans from taking Africa, securing the Mediterranean and forcing the Germans to put all their focus on the endless piles of infantry the Russian player will put on the board.


But then you're surrendering Southeast Asia to the Japanese!
 
2020-10-30 10:05:17 PM  

jaytkay: shoegaze99: If you build an industrial complex in South Africa you can keep the Germans from taking Africa, securing the Mediterranean

How far is South Africa from the Mediterranean?

Not a trick question. Take your time.


True, South Africa is better for holding and capturing African colonies, unless you are really willing to stretch the game out.
 
2020-10-30 10:06:47 PM  
On October 30, 1918, aboard the British battleship Agamemnon

Wow, that is god-tier trolling by the British.  And British-tier cultural appropriation at the same time.
 
2020-10-30 10:07:39 PM  
You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.
 
2020-10-30 10:10:13 PM  

FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.


Um...
 
2020-10-30 10:11:52 PM  
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2020-10-30 10:12:58 PM  

jaytkay: shoegaze99: If you build an industrial complex in South Africa you can keep the Germans from taking Africa, securing the Mediterranean

How far is South Africa from the Mediterranean?

Not a trick question. Take your time.


Plenty close enough. In both classic and the current 1942 and 1941 versions, it puts you one armor movement away from the German front lines in North Africa, while also keeping the base out of range of Germany's mainland airforce. That means you can quickly strike at German lines without risking the complex.

It also puts naval units into the Suez in just one move, allowing you to quickly close off the Mediterranean. One that's all secured, you now have some support for India, too.
 
2020-10-30 10:13:23 PM  

NM Volunteer: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

Um...



Yeah, because Avalon Hill is a primary source.
 
2020-10-30 10:20:13 PM  

FrancoFile: NM Volunteer: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

Um...


Yeah, because Avalon Hill is a primary source.


At least they figured out that the Triple Alliance fell apart because the Italians left it, and joined forces with the Triple Entente and the overall coalition (of Allies) that consisted of the USA, Japan, many small European states, and Brazil.  It wasn't the signatories of two treaties fighting it out.  Or do you think Italy sided with Germany and Austria-Hungary during World War I?
 
2020-10-30 10:35:18 PM  
That's sick, man
 
2020-10-30 10:36:37 PM  

shoegaze99: If you build an industrial complex in South Africa you can keep the Germans from taking Africa, securing the Mediterranean and forcing the Germans to put all their focus on the endless piles of infantry the Russian player will put on the board.


Where are all of you when i was growing up with nobody to play with?

Learned it from my best friend. Played all the time. Loved it so much i saved up and bought my own copy so we could play at my place. Read the rule book and realized my buddy was cheating constantly. Still loved the game and still have it. Never seem to have enough time or people to get it really going.
 
2020-10-30 10:39:52 PM  

AstroJesus: Weatherkiss: Why did Constantinople get the works?

Perhaps we should involve ourselves more in their affairs.


It's funny you should mention that
The United States sphere of influence was supposed to be Asia minor and the straits
Wilson ensured we never assumed our duties there
 
2020-10-30 10:50:09 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: On October 30, 1918, aboard the British battleship Agamemnon

Wow, that is god-tier trolling by the British.  And British-tier cultural appropriation at the same time.


And a fourth-tier BB by the time the war started.
 
2020-10-30 10:50:44 PM  

FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.


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2020-10-30 10:51:20 PM  

NM Volunteer: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

Um...

Shakes tiny control counter

 
2020-10-30 10:52:50 PM  

mikefinch: shoegaze99: If you build an industrial complex in South Africa you can keep the Germans from taking Africa, securing the Mediterranean and forcing the Germans to put all their focus on the endless piles of infantry the Russian player will put on the board.

Where are all of you when i was growing up with nobody to play with?

Learned it from my best friend. Played all the time. Loved it so much i saved up and bought my own copy so we could play at my place. Read the rule book and realized my buddy was cheating constantly. Still loved the game and still have it. Never seem to have enough time or people to get it really going.


There was a really faithful PC version in 1999 called Axis & Allies: Iron Blitz. It was great and always scratched the itch when I couldn't get a group to play. It had online play, too.

Sadly, it's long since out of print, goes for stupid money on the secondary market, and is a pain to get running on modern systems.

And every video game adaptation of it since has been AWFUL.

Thankfully my son ended up loving war games, so he became my primary opponent when I couldn't get the guys together. Putting together the current 1940 Europe and 1940 Pacific versions into one giant global board is EPIC. Takes forever, we'd stretch those wars out over days or weeks, but they were super fun.

If time is a factor, I recommend the current 1941version. Smaller board, slightly stripped down to play faster, and it's only $25. Real good version for when you want to scratch the A&A itch without devoting a whole afternoon or day to it.
 
2020-10-30 10:58:43 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

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And for what it's worth, this version is REALLY DAMN GOOD.

It stylizes the stalemate of trench warfare in a really interesting way that totally changes how you approach the game. Instead of resolving each combat to its conclusion, you just have one round of dice rolls. After that, both sides stay in the territory and it becomes a turn-by-turn war of attrition. It really alters how you think of the map. There are some other cool differences, too.

The only downside is that it's easy to run out of pieces.
 
2020-10-30 11:00:49 PM  
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2020-10-30 11:03:50 PM  
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2020-10-30 11:07:26 PM  
Some reading

https://www.theatlantic.com/internati​o​nal/archive/2015/02/the-middle-east-th​at-might-have-been/385410/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partit​ion_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

There was a really good article unfortunately all I could get was the abstract

https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article-a​bstract/124/5/1694/5673018?redirectedF​rom=fulltext
 
2020-10-30 11:17:21 PM  

bostonguy: And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.


Pretty much.  Once England "discovered" oil in territories they held, they started splitting up
areas how they wanted, not how they had been since the days of the Old & New Testament.
Those tribal areas have been at war with each other ever since.
 
2020-10-30 11:22:35 PM  

p51d007: bostonguy: And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.

Pretty much.  Once England "discovered" oil in territories they held, they started splitting up
areas how they wanted, not how they had been since the days of the Old & New Testament.
Those tribal areas have been at war with each other ever since.


If you want to look things up the word you'll need is mandate
As in the UK mandate or French mandate
 
2020-10-30 11:22:53 PM  

shoegaze99: UNC_Samurai: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

[cf.geekdo-images.com image 500x333]

And for what it's worth, this version is REALLY DAMN GOOD.

It stylizes the stalemate of trench warfare in a really interesting way that totally changes how you approach the game. Instead of resolving each combat to its conclusion, you just have one round of dice rolls. After that, both sides stay in the territory and it becomes a turn-by-turn war of attrition. It really alters how you think of the map. There are some other cool differences, too.

The only downside is that it's easy to run out of pieces.


It is great, but holy hell is is looooooong.
 
2020-10-30 11:24:01 PM  

bostonguy: And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.


obligatory..

This Land is Mine
Youtube -evIyrrjTTY
 
2020-10-30 11:30:43 PM  

stuartp9: bostonguy: And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.

obligatory..

[YouTube video: This Land is Mine]


I think I'm going to need an aisle seat
 
2020-10-30 11:41:25 PM  

Troy McClure: shoegaze99: UNC_Samurai: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

[cf.geekdo-images.com image 500x333]

And for what it's worth, this version is REALLY DAMN GOOD.

It is great, but holy hell is is looooooong.


Yeah, ain't no denying that. The box claims 1-3 hours and that's straight up B.S. It's more like double that.
 
2020-10-31 12:35:19 AM  
It's nobody's business but the Turks.

//Yeah I know
///
 
2020-10-31 12:44:56 AM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: p51d007: bostonguy: And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.

Pretty much.  Once England "discovered" oil in territories they held, they started splitting up
areas how they wanted, not how they had been since the days of the Old & New Testament.
Those tribal areas have been at war with each other ever since.

If you want to look things up the word you'll need is mandate
As in the UK mandate or French mandate


I'll take "Sykes - Picot Agreement " for 100, Akex.
 
2020-10-31 2:38:50 AM  
and depriving the Axis Central powers of a strategic footstool supply
 
2020-10-31 7:00:28 AM  

Sum Dum Gai: On October 30, 1918, aboard the British battleship Agamemnon


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2020-10-31 7:02:51 AM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: p51d007: bostonguy: And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.

Pretty much.  Once England "discovered" oil in territories they held, they started splitting up
areas how they wanted, not how they had been since the days of the Old & New Testament.
Those tribal areas have been at war with each other ever since.

If you want to look things up the word you'll need is mandate
As in the UK mandate or French mandate


Oh my
 
2020-10-31 7:04:22 AM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: French mandate


Harry Enfield - Gay Nazis -3- Resistance
Youtube oPXYDhpz6sg
 
2020-10-31 8:10:37 AM  

NM Volunteer: FrancoFile: NM Volunteer: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

Um...


Yeah, because Avalon Hill is a primary source.

At least they figured out that the Triple Alliance fell apart because the Italians left it, and joined forces with the Triple Entente and the overall coalition (of Allies) that consisted of the USA, Japan, many small European states, and Brazil.  It wasn't the signatories of two treaties fighting it out.  Or do you think Italy sided with Germany and Austria-Hungary during World War I?


Of course they didn't.

I've played the WWI optional rules of Diplomacy for when you only have two players.  Italy stays out for the first couple rounds.
 
2020-10-31 9:14:51 AM  

ObscureNameHere: Cornelis de Gyselaer: p51d007: bostonguy: And the Middle East has been farked up ever since.

Pretty much.  Once England "discovered" oil in territories they held, they started splitting up
areas how they wanted, not how they had been since the days of the Old & New Testament.
Those tribal areas have been at war with each other ever since.

If you want to look things up the word you'll need is mandate
As in the UK mandate or French mandate

I'll take "Sykes - Picot Agreement " for 100, Akex.


That too

Oh and the Treaty of Sevres

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_​o​f_S%C3%A8vres
 
2020-10-31 9:20:52 AM  

shoegaze99: UNC_Samurai: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

[cf.geekdo-images.com image 500x333]

And for what it's worth, this version is REALLY DAMN GOOD.

It stylizes the stalemate of trench warfare in a really interesting way that totally changes how you approach the game. Instead of resolving each combat to its conclusion, you just have one round of dice rolls. After that, both sides stay in the territory and it becomes a turn-by-turn war of attrition. It really alters how you think of the map. There are some other cool differences, too.

The only downside is that it's easy to run out of pieces.


They need to reprint it, the secondary market prices are insane.
 
2020-10-31 10:01:02 AM  

UNC_Samurai: shoegaze99: UNC_Samurai: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

[cf.geekdo-images.com image 500x333]

And for what it's worth, this version is REALLY DAMN GOOD.

They need to reprint it, the secondary market prices are insane.


This is my one big frustration about the current board game boom. I LOVE that board games are so popular right now. It's a golden age for them.

But if you don't get a game you want as soon as it's released, you're screwed. Prices go through the roof.

A samurai version of the Command & Colors system came out. I really wanted it. Decided to hold off a few months for budget reasons. Big mistake. It goes for $200+ now, not including the expansion.

Meanwhile, my complete Memoir '44 collection could net me insane money if I was willing to part with it. Crazy stuff,
 
2020-10-31 10:02:38 AM  

shoegaze99: UNC_Samurai: shoegaze99: UNC_Samurai: FrancoFile: You're confusing your wars, subby.

WWII was Axis vs Allies.  WWI was Triple Entente vs Triple Alliance.

And the Ottomans weren't actually members of the Alliance.

[cf.geekdo-images.com image 500x333]

And for what it's worth, this version is REALLY DAMN GOOD.

They need to reprint it, the secondary market prices are insane.

This is my one big frustration about the current board game boom. I LOVE that board games are so popular right now. It's a golden age for them.

But if you don't get a game you want as soon as it's released, you're screwed. Prices go through the roof.

A samurai version of the Command & Colors system came out. I really wanted it. Decided to hold off a few months for budget reasons. Big mistake. It goes for $200+ now, not including the expansion.

Meanwhile, my complete Memoir '44 collection could net me insane money if I was willing to part with it. Crazy stuff,


I love this place, history discussion turn into an Avalon hill discussion
 
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