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(Ars Technica)   "Oh Jeeeesus.... Oh my God," Great during sex, not so much when you're beta testing a self-driving Tesla   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2020-10-30 9:57:49 AM  
And how many close calls are there every day when meat bags are driving?

Will the system be perfect? No, but it will be better than meat bags.
 
2020-10-30 11:41:21 AM  
I don't think I'll ever be comfortable in a self driving car, mostly because I don't trust any of the companies currently developing them to not cut every corner in order to get it to market first.
 
2020-10-30 11:43:41 AM  

AnEasyTarget: And how many close calls are there every day when meat bags are driving?

Will the system be perfect? No, but it will be better than meat bags.


Exactly.  If my choices are between a computer, and a human who probably is smoking, eating, drinking, drunk, high, half asleep, completely asleep, having a heart attack, playing with the nav system, playing with the stereo, playing with their cell phone, playing with themselves, yelling at the kids in the back seat, yelling at their spouse in the front seat, whistling to the cute girls walking down the street, and/or is just plain stupid, I'll take the farking computer, thank you very much.
 
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2020-10-30 12:21:49 PM  

AnEasyTarget: Will the system be perfect? No, but it will be better than meat bags.


[[Citation Needed -- and not the bullshirt about miles driven on highways where no one normally crashes in the first place]]

As is Tesla's usual move, they are overselling this. This is going to get more people killed simply because the Musk can't bear to imagine the future might take a bit of time to get here.
 
2020-10-30 12:33:27 PM  

jvl: AnEasyTarget: Will the system be perfect? No, but it will be better than meat bags.

[[Citation Needed -- and not the bullshirt about miles driven on highways where no one normally crashes in the first place]]

As is Tesla's usual move, they are overselling this. This is going to get more people killed simply because the Musk can't bear to imagine the future might take a bit of time to get here.


At a $10k add-on, it's not gonna get all that many people killed
 
2020-10-30 12:35:08 PM  
I trust mine to keep me between the white lines in relatively straight raids and not to drive into the car in front of me.

It would take a long time for me to trust it to do anything more than that.

I think I actually pay more attention when I have it on because I'm terrified it will try and kill me in some kind of stupid way
 
2020-10-30 12:41:13 PM  

jvl: AnEasyTarget: Will the system be perfect? No, but it will be better than meat bags.

[[Citation Needed -- and not the bullshirt about miles driven on highways where no one normally crashes in the first place]]

As is Tesla's usual move, they are overselling this. This is going to get more people killed simply because the Musk can't bear to imagine the future might take a bit of time to get here.


Prior history of automated systems.  I am not saying the current system is perfect or even close, there will be situations the program will have difficulty with.

An example is Defects per weld, human vs robot. Robot welding can reduce the defect rate. However a combination of human and robotic inspections are still necessary. Vehicle systems shouldn't be assumed or marketed as 100% autonomous, more like 90% autonomous with proper human oversight.  Autonomous driving should be marketed as a safety feature like anti-lock brakes or traction control.
 
2020-10-30 1:11:25 PM  

AnEasyTarget: And how many close calls are there every day when meat bags are driving?

Will the system be perfect? No, but it will be better than meat bags.


Do you live at a farmers market or something?
If you get in more than 12 accidents in 3 hours of driving time, you need to stop driving right now.
 
2020-10-30 4:37:16 PM  

Dryad: AnEasyTarget: And how many close calls are there every day when meat bags are driving?

Will the system be perfect? No, but it will be better than meat bags.

Do you live at a farmers market or something?
If you get in more than 12 accidents in 3 hours of driving time, you need to stop driving right now.


I prefer to count it as one long accident per three hours of driving.
 
2020-10-30 6:40:17 PM  
I live in a town that includes narrow (& imperfectly plowed) dirt roads, among other things, so we'll be one of the last places they'll be testing self-driving cars.
 
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