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2020-10-30 8:39:07 AM  
Ask religion
 
2020-10-30 8:50:58 AM  
Because boinking the tavern wench in the starting village doesn't advance the plot like going out and killing a few monsters?

Also, sticky controllers ruin the gameplay.
 
2020-10-30 8:54:50 AM  
Because little Johnny might see a titty or penis, and why won't anyone think of the children
 
2020-10-30 9:11:27 AM  

Mztlplx: Also, sticky controllers ruin the gameplay.


And you can't see who is walking in if you have a VR headset on.
 
2020-10-30 9:23:29 AM  
Because your country was founded by a bunch of cornpone Calvinists.
 
2020-10-30 9:25:58 AM  

SVC_conservative: Mztlplx: Also, sticky controllers ruin the gameplay.

And you can't see who is walking in if you have a VR headset on.


That's just European Extreme difficulty
 
2020-10-30 9:28:39 AM  
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Because nipples are evil, and make us think evil thoughts.
 
2020-10-30 9:31:48 AM  
Because Puritans.

Also because games -- like all fiction -- is driven by conflict, and combining the two is only really popular (or even viable) in Japan.
 
2020-10-30 9:33:10 AM  
Since when are sex and nudity taboo in video games? Nudity and sex have been in video games since... well, at least since Custer made his last stand.
 
2020-10-30 9:35:32 AM  
Republican jeebus.
 
2020-10-30 9:36:39 AM  

Mztlplx: Because boinking the tavern wench in the starting village doesn't advance the plot like going out and killing a few monsters?


Different plot, maybe, but I don't see why not.
 
Juc
2020-10-30 9:41:14 AM  

Chemlight Battery: Since when are sex and nudity taboo in video games? Nudity and sex have been in video games since... well, at least since Custer made his last stand.


It was a racist rape aim at that
 
Juc
2020-10-30 9:41:30 AM  
Sim not aim
 
2020-10-30 9:41:48 AM  
Because violence leads to fun gameplay.  Sex is rhythmic and awesome, but from a button-tapping perspective maybe not so engaging?  Last thing I'd want to worry about in sexytimes is a Game Over screen because I couldn't keep the indicator in the green part of the O-meter.
 
2020-10-30 9:43:16 AM  
Because the developers are getting enough backlash forcing their employees to watch snuff films without adding porn to the mix.
 
2020-10-30 9:45:26 AM  
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2020-10-30 9:53:39 AM  

Juc: Chemlight Battery: Since when are sex and nudity taboo in video games? Nudity and sex have been in video games since... well, at least since Custer made his last stand.

It was a racist rape aim at that


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I'm a bit concerned.  This is causing me a boner.
 
2020-10-30 9:55:41 AM  

Jamesac68: Because violence leads to fun gameplay.  Sex is rhythmic and awesome, but from a button-tapping perspective maybe not so engaging?  Last thing I'd want to worry about in sexytimes is a Game Over screen because I couldn't keep the indicator in the green part of the O-meter.


Someone who gets it.  It's the same reason one isn't going to be arsed to play a sports videogame that recreates the fine nuance of a sport when you be playing the actual sport, which you get around by creating a sports game where the athletes can jump fifty feet into the air and slam down the triple-word scores.

Videogames are a vehicle for power fantasy, and sex is only a power fantasy for subhuman degenerates, people like me, people who treat women with respect.
 
2020-10-30 9:55:44 AM  
Well, I dunno, but I have way more fun murdering pretend people than I do getting them naked.
 
2020-10-30 9:56:27 AM  

Mztlplx: Because boinking the tavern wench in the starting village doesn't advance the plot like going out and killing a few monsters?


Well that's just a major lack of imagination, sheesh.

Tavern wench:  "Thank you for the fun time everyone."
(Goat bleats, the Cleric gets back into her plate mail awkwardly)
Tavern wench:  "Would you like to meet my family?"
Party leader: "Um.. that's a bit.. early don't you --"
Tavern wench:  "Nonsense. Daddy would love to meet people like you and your.. talents. Supper's at sundown tonight, don't be late!  Oh here's the address."
(The address reads, "The Castle")
Party leader:  "Your dad is..."
Tavern wench: "Yes, the king, silly! If you're lucky he'll declare prima noctis. I have to get back to work, toodles!"
 
2020-10-30 9:56:47 AM  

Jamesac68: Because violence leads to fun gameplay.


Or I guess I could have just read the thread. But that's also not fun.
 
2020-10-30 9:58:34 AM  
Americans are, in general, morons and yet seems to be the ones who get to set these standards.
 
2020-10-30 10:14:49 AM  
I enjoy how this thread turned into a shiat-and-run carpet bombing of one's imagined political enemies and none of those individuals actually had an intelligent point to make on the way there.  I apologize if you were offended.  You're welcome.
 
2020-10-30 10:25:21 AM  
Just a reminder that lots of people are willing to do the former, to get the latter.
 
2020-10-30 10:28:16 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 590x546]

Because nipples are evil, and make us think evil thoughts.


very evil thoughts.
 
2020-10-30 10:30:36 AM  
Sex in video games makes me cringe.
Just my opinion.
 
2020-10-30 10:34:46 AM  
Because you need both hands to play.
 
2020-10-30 10:39:38 AM  
That's a great thing about TV in Germany. Nudity is ok on TV.....no blurring out that stuff. The violence is what is cut or censored.
 
2020-10-30 10:40:16 AM  

sys_64738: Because Puritans.

Also because games -- like all fiction -- is driven by conflict, and combining the two is only really popular (or even viable) in Japan.


First part yes, second part is debatable.

In America, violence was deemed "educational" in the 1950s, with the good guys always beating the more powerful bad guys, reinforcing the "good triumphs over evil, righteousness punishes wickedness" narrative.

As for combining sex and conflict as methods of story advancement, in wester literature sex is usually the goal of the story, not the second act of a five act play.  But then again, Game of Thrones did break this model.
 
2020-10-30 10:45:47 AM  

Mztlplx: Also, sticky controllers ruin the gameplay.


Another reason kbm is better.  Unless you're really well hydrated, I guess.
 
2020-10-30 10:46:04 AM  
'cause 'Murica
 
2020-10-30 10:48:57 AM  
Exhibit A: high school mythology class, watching Excaliburon old-timey VHS.  The beginning is some kind of bloodbath.  I remember little else, because the love scene came on and the teacher stood up, hit stop-fast-forward (you know, queues faster but you can't see the video), and said, without a whit of irony, "You don't need to see that."

Even as a kid I understood how farked up that was.

It broke my head.  I don't remember much of the rest of the course, but I'll always have that story to tell...
 
2020-10-30 10:49:16 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Videogames are a vehicle for power fantasy, and sex is only a power fantasy for subhuman degenerates, people like me, people who treat women with respect.


Anyone else read that as "eat women with respect"?...and was suddenly wanting to know more? No? Ok...
 
2020-10-30 10:50:45 AM  

Erek the Red: sys_64738: Because Puritans.

Also because games -- like all fiction -- is driven by conflict, and combining the two is only really popular (or even viable) in Japan.

First part yes, second part is debatable.

In America, violence was deemed "educational" in the 1950s, with the good guys always beating the more powerful bad guys, reinforcing the "good triumphs over evil, righteousness punishes wickedness" narrative.

As for combining sex and conflict as methods of story advancement, in wester literature sex is usually the goal of the story, not the second act of a five act play.  But then again, Game of Thrones did break this model.


Oh, and I forgot to mention the demographic paradigm for video games in the US is still non-adult teenage boys, similar to how Americans think the demographic paradigm that all animation is for children.  Most conservative American parents rely on those stereotypes so they don't have to think too much when getting gifts for their children.
 
2020-10-30 10:55:14 AM  

Marcos P: Sex in video games makes me cringe.
Just my opinion.


Me too but I cringe more over how it's shoehorned into the plot. Like, if you just had an NPC straight up explain how everyone is probably going to die soon and they could use a stress relief instead of convoluted damsel in distress or honeypot storylines, it could work as a minigame.
 
2020-10-30 10:57:22 AM  

Spartapuss: Marcos P: Sex in video games makes me cringe.
Just my opinion.

Me too but I cringe more over how it's shoehorned into the plot. Like, if you just had an NPC straight up explain how everyone is probably going to die soon and they could use a stress relief instead of convoluted damsel in distress or honeypot storylines, it could work as a minigame.


Ah, Mass Effect.
 
2020-10-30 11:03:29 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image image 590x546]

Because nipples are evil, and make us think evil thoughts.


Now I want milk. Evil milk.
 
2020-10-30 11:05:09 AM  
There was an early game franchise about getting your character laid. Can't remember the name.
 
2020-10-30 11:06:20 AM  

some_beer_drinker: There was an early game franchise about getting your character laid. Can't remember the name.


Super Mario Bros.
 
2020-10-30 11:07:13 AM  
A variety of reasons.

Graphics: For most of the time video games have existed as a medium, the graphics did not lend themselves well to sex and nudity. Violence, even graphic violence, doesn't really need good graphics to be meaningful or useful in a video game. But nudity or sex become comical with shiat graphics, and that doesn't lend itself to the kind of story where those would fit. That's changed, graphics are better.

Developers: There was a good chunk of time where you couldn't reliably count on a dev team being mature about it. If you had sex and/or nudity, it was going to be in a shiatty Leisure Suit Larry knockoff that had no sense of taste or humor. There were exceptions along the way, but society and the industry have moved on to a place where you can probably have those aspects in a story without it being shiat.

In this day and age, sex and nudity are showing up more often in video games. As the medium evolves as an art form, the horizons are expanding. It's not on par with movies, and I doubt it ever will be, because the medium less frequently lends itself to stories where sex and nudity would be appropriate.
 
Juc
2020-10-30 11:07:50 AM  

Jamesac68: Because violence leads to fun gameplay.  Sex is rhythmic and awesome, but from a button-tapping perspective maybe not so engaging?  Last thing I'd want to worry about in sexytimes is a Game Over screen because I couldn't keep the indicator in the green part of the O-meter.


The problem isn't what is more fun, the problem is what gets you a T, M, or A rating from the esrb or whatnot is ridiculous.
If it's not fun it just naturally won't show up in the game, unless you're making a bad game, but stuff that could make it in the game often doesn't because of laws that make selling the game a giant pain in the butt, or even store policies like not ever selling A rated games.

Like red blood in germany is a pain so you end up having to bend over backwards making that different in general, or provide a setting so any games in germany only show rainbow or whatever blood instead.
Beheading is often no good for those reasons.
Anything "profane" gets the esrb in a tizzy, which can be a little frustrating since it's pretty subjective and the usa is so prim and proper compared to the rest of the world it's hard to match up with what is profane in the UK vs what's profane in the US for example.

also about the demographics, they're pretty wide spread now a days, something like 46/54 female to male. age breakup is almost even across the age groupings until you get to the super olds.
It's all perception as to it being a teen only thing.
you wanna make mad bank? sell to middle aged women, they're so underserved by everything but casual phone games it's ridiculous.
 
2020-10-30 11:08:17 AM  
I DNRTFA but my problem for some decades has been the combination of sex and violence. It's one of the reasons that I stopped watching many, many types of media. Scantily clad women gasping and crying and running and getting raped (or nearly raped) while fully clothed men stare stoic-ly into the distance or wince a bit is just not a message I want to support. And it's somewhat surprising what types of media this appears in...PG sometimes does this albeit with a bit more masking. Once you start seeing how pervasive it is, you can't unsee it.
 
2020-10-30 11:11:13 AM  

some_beer_drinker: There was an early game franchise about getting your character laid. Can't remember the name.


Leisure Suit Larry.
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2020-10-30 11:14:49 AM  

Juc: Jamesac68: Because violence leads to fun gameplay.  Sex is rhythmic and awesome, but from a button-tapping perspective maybe not so engaging?  Last thing I'd want to worry about in sexytimes is a Game Over screen because I couldn't keep the indicator in the green part of the O-meter.

The problem isn't what is more fun, the problem is what gets you a T, M, or A rating from the esrb or whatnot is ridiculous.
If it's not fun it just naturally won't show up in the game, unless you're making a bad game, but stuff that could make it in the game often doesn't because of laws that make selling the game a giant pain in the butt, or even store policies like not ever selling A rated games.

Like red blood in germany is a pain so you end up having to bend over backwards making that different in general, or provide a setting so any games in germany only show rainbow or whatever blood instead.
Beheading is often no good for those reasons.
Anything "profane" gets the esrb in a tizzy, which can be a little frustrating since it's pretty subjective and the usa is so prim and proper compared to the rest of the world it's hard to match up with what is profane in the UK vs what's profane in the US for example.

also about the demographics, they're pretty wide spread now a days, something like 46/54 female to male. age breakup is almost even across the age groupings until you get to the super olds.
It's all perception as to it being a teen only thing.
you wanna make mad bank? sell to middle aged women, they're so underserved by everything but casual phone games it's ridiculous.


As a fellow fan once said: that most despised of demographics, women with disposable income
 
Juc
2020-10-30 11:19:56 AM  

LadySusan: I DNRTFA but my problem for some decades has been the combination of sex and violence. It's one of the reasons that I stopped watching many, many types of media. Scantily clad women gasping and crying and running and getting raped (or nearly raped) while fully clothed men stare stoic-ly into the distance or wince a bit is just not a message I want to support. And it's somewhat surprising what types of media this appears in...PG sometimes does this albeit with a bit more masking. Once you start seeing how pervasive it is, you can't unsee it.


csb:
I was working on a game once where I needed to provide editing assistance to certain parts of the game.
It was way too rapey, just stomach churning (to me), so as per my job I provided feedback that the story went a bit ... far, and forcing the player into rape in the first 15 min of the game was a tough sell.
Turns out the lady who wrote that was super invested in the scenario as written and I almost got fired over that feedback, ultimately I only kept my job because I was technically not within the command structure for that specific game.

dunno what my point is but before that I thought the rapey stuff always came from immature dudebros, but it comes from women as well and I can't really comprehend it.
 
2020-10-30 11:59:26 AM  

Juc: LadySusan: I DNRTFA but my problem for some decades has been the combination of sex and violence. It's one of the reasons that I stopped watching many, many types of media. Scantily clad women gasping and crying and running and getting raped (or nearly raped) while fully clothed men stare stoic-ly into the distance or wince a bit is just not a message I want to support. And it's somewhat surprising what types of media this appears in...PG sometimes does this albeit with a bit more masking. Once you start seeing how pervasive it is, you can't unsee it.

csb:
I was working on a game once where I needed to provide editing assistance to certain parts of the game.
It was way too rapey, just stomach churning (to me), so as per my job I provided feedback that the story went a bit ... far, and forcing the player into rape in the first 15 min of the game was a tough sell.
Turns out the lady who wrote that was super invested in the scenario as written and I almost got fired over that feedback, ultimately I only kept my job because I was technically not within the command structure for that specific game.

dunno what my point is but before that I thought the rapey stuff always came from immature dudebros, but it comes from women as well and I can't really comprehend it.


I'm not surprised though. E.L. James turned her rape fantasy into a bestseller. If you make a game for middle aged women where they're being chased by Fabio, none of them will finish without letting themselves get caught.
 
2020-10-30 12:13:14 PM  

some_beer_drinker: There was an early game franchise about getting your character laid. Can't remember the name.


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2020-10-30 12:39:28 PM  

Juc: LadySusan: I DNRTFA but my problem for some decades has been the combination of sex and violence. It's one of the reasons that I stopped watching many, many types of media. Scantily clad women gasping and crying and running and getting raped (or nearly raped) while fully clothed men stare stoic-ly into the distance or wince a bit is just not a message I want to support. And it's somewhat surprising what types of media this appears in...PG sometimes does this albeit with a bit more masking. Once you start seeing how pervasive it is, you can't unsee it.

csb:
I was working on a game once where I needed to provide editing assistance to certain parts of the game.
It was way too rapey, just stomach churning (to me), so as per my job I provided feedback that the story went a bit ... far, and forcing the player into rape in the first 15 min of the game was a tough sell.
Turns out the lady who wrote that was super invested in the scenario as written and I almost got fired over that feedback, ultimately I only kept my job because I was technically not within the command structure for that specific game.

dunno what my point is but before that I thought the rapey stuff always came from immature dudebros, but it comes from women as well and I can't really comprehend it.


You'd be surprised how many women have fantasies about being dominated. Something about making them feel wanted to the point of having Fabio rip their bodice in violation of social norms.

Anyway, I contend violence is more acceptable because how it's portrayed in games is hyper unrealistic, whereas it's more challenging to make boobies unrealistic. Boobies.
 
2020-10-30 12:41:11 PM  

GodComplex: You'd be surprised how many women have fantasies about being dominated. Something about making them feel wanted to the point of having Fabio rip their bodice in violation of social norms.

Anyway, I contend violence is more acceptable because how it's portrayed in games is hyper unrealistic, whereas it's more challenging to make boobies unrealistic. Boobies.


You said boobies twice
 
2020-10-30 12:56:41 PM  

GodComplex: You'd be surprised how many women have fantasies about being dominated. Something about making them feel wanted to the point of having Fabio rip their bodice in violation of social norms.


I'm going to assume you posted this without reading the comments. Which means we should probably internet high-five over the fact we both picked Fabio for this scenario.

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