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2020-10-29 3:54:42 PM  
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99% of Asia's population would be drooling vegetables by the time they were 20, if that was truly the case.
 
2020-10-29 8:15:13 PM  
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Froman: markie_farkie: 99% of Asia's population would be drooling vegetables by the time they were 20, if that was truly the case.

FTA: "As many as 70-percent of Japanese adults have the right gut bacteria to produce this metabolite when eating soy, which is also linked with a reduced risk of heart disease. In comparison, it is estimated that only up to 30-percent of Americans have the right bacteria to produce equol"

...as an example of how genetics(and thus, natural gut bacteria load) play a role in making soy healthy or not. Which was obvious to me before. I don't know how clear of a confirmation people need, who claim that because Asian people do well with soy it means all of us should be eating it. Edamame makes me pretty sick while others have no issue at all. It's almost as if we're all not entirely identical.


TFA doesn't point it out, but this has VERY little to do with eating edamame.

the reason is this research is specific to a compound called equol. equol is formed by some human gut bacteria after consuming the soy isoflavone daidzein.

daidzein is only present in meaningful amounts in MATURE, dry soybeans, the kind that are made into tofu, soy milk, protein powder, gluten-free soy "flour" alternatives, etc.

edamame are the young, immature soybeans used as a green vegetable.

so IF you eat a lot of foods made from processed soy (like tofu), AND have the right gut bacteria, you MIGHT benefit in terms of brain and heart health.

however, IF this research turns out to be really groundbreaking, people could benefit from synthesized equol dietary supplements, OR, maybe, a fecal transplant to give them the "right" gut bacteria, followed by a new diet high in processed soy products or daidzein supplements to "feed" those new bacteria.

weird/gross as it sounds, gut bacteria are now thought to influence everything from body weight to illnesses like bipolar disorder and parkinson's, as well as lifelong cancer risk, and who knows what else. "good" diet may be as much about nourishing those "good" bacteria as directly feeding our own cells. fecal transplants/other forms of gut-biome alteration may be the next great field of truly life changing human medicine....

but until then, probably just eat tofu because/if you enjoy it. same goes for edamame.
 
2020-10-29 4:18:09 PM  
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2020-10-29 4:25:38 PM  
2 votes:

markie_farkie: 99% of Asia's population would be drooling vegetables by the time they were 20, if that was truly the case.


FTA: "As many as 70-percent of Japanese adults have the right gut bacteria to produce this metabolite when eating soy, which is also linked with a reduced risk of heart disease. In comparison, it is estimated that only up to 30-percent of Americans have the right bacteria to produce equol"

...as an example of how genetics(and thus, natural gut bacteria load) play a role in making soy healthy or not. Which was obvious to me before. I don't know how clear of a confirmation people need, who claim that because Asian people do well with soy it means all of us should be eating it. Edamame makes me pretty sick while others have no issue at all. It's almost as if we're all not entirely identical.
 
2020-10-29 7:55:36 PM  
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yohohogreengiant: Lish: yohohogreengiant: Who the farks makes their hummus with soy??

Black beans for variety sometimes, sure, but soy?

Yes, edamame hummus is a thing. I don't make/buy it myself, but if it was served at a party I wouldn't turn it down.

I mean, yeah, I'd try it, of course...

But Really?

Hummus is part of my diet. I make it from soaking the bonzos, all the way through. This is the first I've heard of soy hummus. Article makes it sound pretty mainstream.

The hummus among us


Stick with the chickpeas. Or white beans. Soy hummus is an abomination.

One thing that will never get old is when a vegetarian I share a kitchen with defends their soy consumption, and then a week later I see that they quietly switched to cashew milk or hemp without telling me. Or I see a vegan friend make the switch over social media. One of them really did have a bad reaction to soy and was in denial over it for years. I decided it wouldn't help to gloat. Was just glad she finally started caring about her health more than vegan evangelism. And it's not like there aren't better bean, seed, and nut alternatives.
 
2020-10-29 4:10:14 PM  
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Who the farks makes their hummus with soy??

Black beans for variety sometimes, sure, but soy?
 
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