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2020-10-29 4:00:27 PM  
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2020-10-29 4:04:03 PM  

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Edge is Chromium. Time for a new meme
 
2020-10-29 4:23:52 PM  

GardenWeasel: cyberspacedout: [Fark user image 447x750]

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Edge is Chromium. Time for a new meme


Huh, so it is. Shows how much I've been paying attention to it in the last couple years.
 
2020-10-29 4:28:23 PM  
Fandom?
 
2020-10-29 4:39:24 PM  

Konowalchuk22: Fandom?


Yeah, they really broke their own idea on the new tabs. No one knows what to with them.
 
2020-10-29 5:09:06 PM  

cyberspacedout: GardenWeasel: cyberspacedout: [Fark user image 447x750]

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Edge is Chromium. Time for a new meme

Huh, so it is. Shows how much I've been paying attention to it in the last couple years.


I've been trying out the Chromium build since I bought the new laptop at the end of August. It's pretty solid. It also isn't as RAM-intensive as Chrome, but w/24 GB of RAM, that's not as critical as it used to be. But I don't need M$ trying to play games to force me to use it.
 
Juc
2020-10-29 5:14:03 PM  
It works fine, but they push it too much, it was annoying enough to switch default browsers about 30 min into a new install of win10.
But aside from that it's pretty solid.
 
2020-10-29 5:14:31 PM  
When I first upgraded to Windows 10, I did give Edge a decent chance. However, that early version was missing basic stuff that had been part of browsers for decades (right clicking on the back button would not list previous sites, for example). So yes, I did go back to Chrome.

They have improved it considerably since, but I'm just too vested in Google's ecosystem to give it another try. Also while the move to Chromium was a good one, on disappointed that the transparency effects were cut in the process.

/give credit where credit is due, it launches far quicker on PC than Chrome does though
 
2020-10-29 5:27:02 PM  
Yeah, the Chromium Edge is what I use. It's pretty good.

Regular Edge is trash. And Microsoft's insistence on trying to get people to use it as the default browser in Windows 10 & having the PC defaulting to Edge as a PDF viewer sometimes is a farking joke.
 
2020-10-29 5:28:45 PM  
Where the WaterFox people at? Do it seem like it's using too many resources lately?
 
2020-10-29 5:52:11 PM  
I've switched to the new Edge browser for work and I like it.
 
2020-10-29 6:01:44 PM  
I'm quite happy with the Avast Browser. Microsoft seems to have finally given up and stopped opening Edge when I restart.
 
2020-10-29 7:02:31 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Where the WaterFox people at? Do it seem like it's using too many resources lately?


I used to use Waterfox as my "real" browser (I have them all for javascript reasons) but I switched to Opera maybe a little over a year ago. I was getting annoyed with how much RAM it was hogging at the time, hitting virtual memory even with nothing else open.
 
2020-10-29 7:15:07 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Yeah, the Chromium Edge is what I use. It's pretty good.

Regular Edge is trash. And Microsoft's insistence on trying to get people to use it as the default browser in Windows 10 & having the PC defaulting to Edge as a PDF viewer sometimes is a farking joke.


"Regular" Edge is Chromium. The version of Edge that isn't is the old version that is no longer shipped, and they're certainly not trying to get anyone to use it.

I use it and it's fine. It has a few neat features, like Reader Mode that strips out pretty much everything but the text.

A Daily Mail page:
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Same page after you click the Reader button.
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Doesn't work on all sites, but on many it gets around the paywall.
 
2020-10-29 7:54:37 PM  
Just imagine how embarrassing it must be -- to be a trillion dollar company with a desktop OS monopoly, and you STILL can't convince people to want to use your web browser.

Despite their pushy campaigns, automatic installs, automatic changing the users preferences to make Edge the default browser after every major OS update AND user apathy mixed in, they still can't crack 3% market share.

/Microsoft: always years late, and almostas good as the competition
 
2020-10-29 8:17:55 PM  

Excelsior: Just imagine how embarrassing it must be -- to be a trillion dollar company with a desktop OS monopoly, and you STILL can't convince people to want to use your web browser.

Despite their pushy campaigns, automatic installs, automatic changing the users preferences to make Edge the default browser after every major OS update AND user apathy mixed in, they still can't crack 3% market share.

/Microsoft: always years late, and almostas good as the competition


The IE disaster made people despise the Windblows default browser, and almost no one has gone back to it since. Microsuck has no one to blame but themselves.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2020-10-29 9:00:42 PM  
My problem with Edge is that it defaults things to MS products, and those products (like Bing) seem more concerned with selling you things or linking you to sellers than providing results.  It's constantly wanting to take you to shopping sites.

I would go ahead and use Chrome but I haven't taken my laptop out of Windows S Mode.  I can't be bothered, it seems.
 
2020-10-29 9:26:31 PM  

Excelsior: Just imagine how embarrassing it must be -- to be a trillion dollar company with a desktop OS monopoly, and you STILL can't convince people to want to use your web browser.

Despite their pushy campaigns, automatic installs, automatic changing the users preferences to make Edge the default browser after every major OS update AND user apathy mixed in, they still can't crack 3% market share.

/Microsoft: always years late, and almostas good as the competition


As opposed to Apple, who force millions of users to use Safari?

For one Apple have for years forced Safari to be the default browser. Click on a link and it'll open in safari. No Chrome for you.

Sure, you might think you are using Chrome or Firefox the rest of your browsing, but actually Apple forces all rivals to use Safari's own browser, with their skin on top so it looks like Chrome or Firefox.

And it's even worse. Apple have a new. faster, engine. But all their rivals are forced to use the older, slower, engine.

Microsoft are trying to convince users to use Edge. Apple just force their users to use safari.
 
2020-10-29 9:28:38 PM  

433: My problem with Edge is that it defaults things to MS products, and those products (like Bing) seem more concerned with selling you things or linking you to sellers than providing results.  It's constantly wanting to take you to shopping sites.

I would go ahead and use Chrome but I haven't taken my laptop out of Windows S Mode.  I can't be bothered, it seems.


Your problem with MS is selling you stuff or linking you to paid advertisers, but you'd prefer to use Google?

Google's entire business is tracking and selling you.
 
2020-10-29 9:47:45 PM  
I just deleted chrome off my lg phone and started using Edge. Chrome keep pissing me off.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2020-10-29 9:54:22 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Your problem with MS is selling you stuff or linking you to paid advertisers, but you'd prefer to use Google?
Google's entire business is tracking and selling you.


Yeah, but they're better at it and I can block most of it if I want.  Edge is seriously thirsty for your attention, try using it for a week.  It wants to fill everything in at once, news, videos, memes, shopping, searches, it can be pretty annoying in its shotgun approach.
 
2020-10-29 10:15:28 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Excelsior: Just imagine how embarrassing it must be -- to be a trillion dollar company with a desktop OS monopoly, and you STILL can't convince people to want to use your web browser.

Despite their pushy campaigns, automatic installs, automatic changing the users preferences to make Edge the default browser after every major OS update AND user apathy mixed in, they still can't crack 3% market share.

/Microsoft: always years late, and almostas good as the competition

As opposed to Apple, who force millions of users to use Safari?

For one Apple have for years forced Safari to be the default browser. Click on a link and it'll open in safari. No Chrome for you.

Sure, you might think you are using Chrome or Firefox the rest of your browsing, but actually Apple forces all rivals to use Safari's own browser, with their skin on top so it looks like Chrome or Firefox.

And it's even worse. Apple have a new. faster, engine. But all their rivals are forced to use the older, slower, engine.

Microsoft are trying to convince users to use Edge. Apple just force their users to use safari.


Sorry that is only on IOS.  And we are talking about desktop operating systems.  So your comparison is not Apples to Apples.

IOS only allows you to use the same rendering engine in other browsers.


Mac OS you can set the default browser to whatever you want. And have been able to for years.

So you either lied or have no idea about Mac OS.  Which is it?

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I know I work for Apple so I might have a better clue
 
2020-10-29 10:29:34 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Excelsior: Just imagine how embarrassing it must be -- to be a trillion dollar company with a desktop OS monopoly, and you STILL can't convince people to want to use your web browser.

Despite their pushy campaigns, automatic installs, automatic changing the users preferences to make Edge the default browser after every major OS update AND user apathy mixed in, they still can't crack 3% market share.

/Microsoft: always years late, and almostas good as the competition

The IE disaster made people despise the Windblows default browser, and almost no one has gone back to it since. Microsuck has no one to blame but themselves.



I know that, but it still blows my mind that they only have a 2.5% of the browser market when they are so uniquely positioned to continuously stack the entire deck in their favor. I know it's an uphill battle when it comes to convincing techies to use the microsoft flavor, but at these rates it means that even your grandma and her friends literally go out of their way to use a different browser than the one that just showed up and made itself the default one day.
 
2020-10-29 10:32:59 PM  

433: Carter Pewterschmidt: Your problem with MS is selling you stuff or linking you to paid advertisers, but you'd prefer to use Google?
Google's entire business is tracking and selling you.

Yeah, but they're better at it and I can block most of it if I want.  Edge is seriously thirsty for your attention, try using it for a week.  It wants to fill everything in at once, news, videos, memes, shopping, searches, it can be pretty annoying in its shotgun approach.


I use Edge as my main browser and have done for a couple of years and don't have a clue what you are talking about. Do you have any examples?
 
2020-10-29 10:42:16 PM  

theflatline: Sorry that is only on IOS.


And iPadOS surely?

theflatline: And we are talking about desktop operating systems.  So your comparison is not Apples to Apples.

IOS only allows you to use the same rendering engine in other browsers.


Mac OS you can set the default browser to whatever you want. And have been able to for years.


So the second most installed OS in the world, after Android, is irrelevant?

The comment was something MS were doing. I replied with something Apple are doing. Does the fact that it is on a different platform make it irrelevant? Did I say "MacOS"?

theflatline: I know I work for Apple so I might have a better clue


You should try a proper OS like Windows 10. Maybe then you wouldn't accidentally post a screenshot of your whole screen when you tried to post a single image. Windows 10 Snip And Sketch is awesome and opens a windows snip, rectangle snip, freeform snip or whole screen snip option. And then lets you easily crop and edit it before saving.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2020-10-29 10:42:39 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I use Edge as my main browser and have done for a couple of years and don't have a clue what you are talking about. Do you have any examples?


I do, though I'd need some pretty big screenshots and I'm not in for that tonight.  One thing I can add is that the native search engine, Bing, almost never provides what I'm looking for while also serving up a bunch of extraneous crap.  Funny that it won't let me use Google as a new tab default or default search engine.

The distinction between the two of us here is probably that my laptop is still in S Mode.  Additionally, I haven't been terribly adventurous in attempting alterations and that it's really only a few key combinations before I can get over to something better.  I think S Mode may be the chief problem, but I'm not impressed with Bing.  My laptop also wants to seem to default to a Bing video viewer without YT links provided, I wish you could just use the thing and see what I'm on about.  I don't disbelieve that you've had success, but it's pretty funky here.
 
2020-10-29 10:56:40 PM  

433: I do, though I'd need some pretty big screenshots and I'm not in for that tonight.  One thing I can add is that the native search engine, Bing, almost never provides what I'm looking for while also serving up a bunch of extraneous crap.  Funny that it won't let me use Google as a new tab default or default search engine.

The distinction between the two of us here is probably that my laptop is still in S Mode.  Additionally, I haven't been terribly adventurous in attempting alterations and that it's really only a few key combinations before I can get over to something better.  I think S Mode may be the chief problem, but I'm not impressed with Bing.  My laptop also wants to seem to default to a Bing video viewer without YT links provided, I wish you could just use the thing and see what I'm on about.  I don't disbelieve that you've had success, but it's pretty funky here.


Never used S Mode so can't really comment. I can set Google, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo etc as the default search engine in the URL bar though. In the new tab page it has a search box in the middle of the screen but as soon as you start typing it moves to the URL bar and uses the default search engine you have chosen.

I use DuckDuckGo mainly, but Google is better for image search and Bing better for porn (so I have ben told....)
Google Maps and Streetview is better than Bing but often Bing will have a different or better satellite image so comparing them is useful. Bing Maps also has a far better Birds Eye 3D view compared to Googles synthetic imaging, but that isn't available in all areas.
 
2020-10-29 11:07:55 PM  

433: The distinction between the two of us here is probably that my laptop is still in S Mode.  Additionally, I haven't been terribly adventurous in attempting alterations and that it's really only a few key combinations before I can get over to something better.  I think S Mode may be the chief problem, but I'm not impressed with Bing.  My laptop also wants to seem to default to a Bing video viewer without YT links provided, I wish you could just use the thing and see what I'm on about.  I don't disbelieve that you've had success, but it's pretty funky here.


I have the new tab page set to minimalist, so it is Google like in its plainness. There are a bunch of settings that you can easily change. I assume S Mode allows all these. The "Informational" layout is almost Yahoo like in how much stuff it throws onto the screen.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2020-10-29 11:20:08 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I have the new tab page set to minimalist, so it is Google like in its plainness. There are a bunch of settings that you can easily change. I assume S Mode allows all these. The "Informational" layout is almost Yahoo like in how much stuff it throws onto the screen.


Thank you, Mr. Pewterschmidt!  S Mode is a lot like a Windows lockdown on new computers.  They'll claim it's for safety and security for students and company use and there might actually be a grain of truth in that, but what it does is force you to use Windows programs only and prevent installation of just about anything.  As I use this laptop for the internet almost solely, it's but a mere nuisance.  It can be bucked, but once gone, it's gone for good (and so what?).  I appreciate the link, I'll check that out now - enjoy your weekend, man.
 
2020-10-30 12:12:11 AM  

433: Carter Pewterschmidt: I have the new tab page set to minimalist, so it is Google like in its plainness. There are a bunch of settings that you can easily change. I assume S Mode allows all these. The "Informational" layout is almost Yahoo like in how much stuff it throws onto the screen.

Thank you, Mr. Pewterschmidt!  S Mode is a lot like a Windows lockdown on new computers.  They'll claim it's for safety and security for students and company use and there might actually be a grain of truth in that, but what it does is force you to use Windows programs only and prevent installation of just about anything.  As I use this laptop for the internet almost solely, it's but a mere nuisance.  It can be bucked, but once gone, it's gone for good (and so what?).  I appreciate the link, I'll check that out now - enjoy your weekend, man.


I used to have a Surface RT which was similar, apps downloaded from the app store only. Some were great and worked very well on tablet/touch use but others were lacking. There was no official Youtube app for example, but many unofficial ones that would let you skip ads, download videos etc which official Youtube app wouldn't do on Android for example. I had "saved" some videos on my Android phone but when a takedown claim was filed and Youtube removed them they actually removed them from my phone memory!

Apart from a theoretical security benefit I don't know of any reason not to switch to full Windows 10. It will do everything S Mode does and everything else as well.
 
2020-10-30 12:27:14 AM  
theflatline:

Why not call it both?
 
2020-10-30 3:31:10 AM  

433: Carter Pewterschmidt: I have the new tab page set to minimalist, so it is Google like in its plainness. There are a bunch of settings that you can easily change. I assume S Mode allows all these. The "Informational" layout is almost Yahoo like in how much stuff it throws onto the screen.

Thank you, Mr. Pewterschmidt!  S Mode is a lot like a Windows lockdown on new computers.  They'll claim it's for safety and security for students and company use and there might actually be a grain of truth in that, but what it does is force you to use Windows programs only and prevent installation of just about anything.  As I use this laptop for the internet almost solely, it's but a mere nuisance.  It can be bucked, but once gone, it's gone for good (and so what?).  I appreciate the link, I'll check that out now - enjoy your weekend, man.


To get out of S mode, you need to download an app from the windows store, which requires you to sign up with a working email account - forcing you to give private info to Microsoft in the process.

They pretty much had to blackmail people into signing up to make their computer usable since they had a very hard time convincing people to use their appstore otherwise.
 
2020-10-30 4:48:37 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Excelsior: Just imagine how embarrassing it must be -- to be a trillion dollar company with a desktop OS monopoly, and you STILL can't convince people to want to use your web browser.

Despite their pushy campaigns, automatic installs, automatic changing the users preferences to make Edge the default browser after every major OS update AND user apathy mixed in, they still can't crack 3% market share.

/Microsoft: always years late, and almostas good as the competition

As opposed to Apple, who force millions of users to use Safari?

For one Apple have for years forced Safari to be the default browser. Click on a link and it'll open in safari. No Chrome for you.

Sure, you might think you are using Chrome or Firefox the rest of your browsing, but actually Apple forces all rivals to use Safari's own browser, with their skin on top so it looks like Chrome or Firefox.

And it's even worse. Apple have a new. faster, engine. But all their rivals are forced to use the older, slower, engine.

Microsoft are trying to convince users to use Edge. Apple just force their users to use safari.


Maybe that's true for mobile (I have Androids and Kindle Fires in my house, I wouldn't know) but that's definitely not true for laptop/desktop. I'm no fan of Apple, but they do have a market for coders and command-line types because they're POSIX or POSIXish, so they have zero reason to fark with the browsers (web dev). That said, in college I used Mac hardware running Windows 7 to SSH into their Unix supercomputer to write C++ or Java in vim so life is weird. Until I got banned for sudo'ing so I had to download Cygwin for my Windows laptop and drag that to school everyday. Now in 2020 I use PowerShell, I can't remember the last time I used Cygwin.
 
2020-10-30 9:18:30 AM  

Jack Sabbath: Yeah, the Chromium Edge is what I use. It's pretty good.

Regular Edge is trash. And Microsoft's insistence on trying to get people to use it as the default browser in Windows 10 & having the PC defaulting to Edge as a PDF viewer sometimes is a farking joke.


It did that the other night on my computer after the latest Windows update - which BTW took over an hour. I got about three notifications saying in essence 'Oh there was a problem trying to figure out what was the default program for this file type, so we're just going to make Microsoft Edge the default.' So you "update" my computer so that it can no longer figure out that I use Adobe Acrobat to view PDFs then make it stupid enough to set Edge as a default viewer - a program/browser which I never use? And you really thought I wouldn't notice or mind? Wrooong.
 
2020-10-30 10:28:27 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: theflatline: Sorry that is only on IOS.

And iPadOS surely?

theflatline: And we are talking about desktop operating systems.  So your comparison is not Apples to Apples.

IOS only allows you to use the same rendering engine in other browsers.


Mac OS you can set the default browser to whatever you want. And have been able to for years.

So the second most installed OS in the world, after Android, is irrelevant?

The comment was something MS were doing. I replied with something Apple are doing. Does the fact that it is on a different platform make it irrelevant? Did I say "MacOS"?

theflatline: I know I work for Apple so I might have a better clue

You should try a proper OS like Windows 10. Maybe then you wouldn't accidentally post a screenshot of your whole screen when you tried to post a single image. Windows 10 Snip And Sketch is awesome and opens a windows snip, rectangle snip, freeform snip or whole screen snip option. And then lets you easily crop and edit it before saving.


I've  had the same iPad since 2012. Chrome has been my default browser on it since the day after I got it. The exact method to do it has changed a few times, but I've only had to reset it once, when I reformatted it after iOS 13 crashed it. Here's how to do it on iOS 14.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211​3​36

Do you even test these things out?

/Prefer android for phones, iOS for tablets, OSX, then android for desktop.
 
2020-10-30 1:49:47 PM  

luidprand: I've  had the same iPad since 2012. Chrome has been my default browser on it since the day after I got it. The exact method to do it has changed a few times, but I've only had to reset it once, when I reformatted it after iOS 13 crashed it. Here's how to do it on iOS 14.


According to this article it wasn't until iOS14 that you could do that.

With iOS 14, Apple finally lets you choose which browser you want to use as your default, letting you switch away from Safari if you'd rather use a third-party alternative like Chrome or Edge. Apple is also letting iPhone users change their default email app in the updated OS.

So if you've been able to do this since 2012 then that's news to many.
 
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