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2020-10-29 10:53:27 AM  
Justin's response should be "Fuddle duddle"
 
2020-10-29 11:06:39 AM  
Difficulty: It's the far right, separatist Bloc Quebecois doing the demanding.  It's what they do.
 
2020-10-29 11:15:12 AM  
Can't he throw some poutine at them or something?
 
2020-10-29 11:34:47 AM  
How about no?  Does no work for you because no.  No.
 
2020-10-29 11:43:11 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Can't he throw some poutine at them or something?


Sounds appropriately Canadian.
 
2020-10-29 12:36:34 PM  
I say let them have this one.  It's not like apologising isn't something Trudeau doesn't have much experience doing.
 
2020-10-29 12:40:07 PM  
Hey, look. Canadian news on Fark.

*click*

WMA?

Weird, for some reason I was thinking NEP

So... BQ wants Libs to issue a non binding apology for detentions under WMA back in the 70s?

And not even the Cons are on board?

*yawn*

Duly noted.

*gets back to watching American politics*
 
2020-10-29 12:40:28 PM  
Well since the Conservatives don't even want to touch this, I'm guessing it's all sorts of dead.
 
2020-10-29 12:41:55 PM  
Can we force a Trump to apologize for his father not using the right hole 74 years ago.
 
2020-10-29 12:44:37 PM  
fark that. Those were terrorists. They actually DID kill a minister and kidnap another.

They were responsible for hundreds of bombings and acts of industrial sabotage in the 60s and at least a dozen murders. Trudeau did what was necessary: Full on martial state, detain and arrest hundreds of people. He eventually rooted out the bastards and got them.

FLQ hasn't been seen since. So it worked. There's nothing to apologize for ensuring peace, order, and good government.
 
2020-10-29 12:45:26 PM  
Is he going to have to apologize for not apologizing?

"I'm surry bloc but I'm not apologizing, eh?
 
2020-10-29 12:46:05 PM  
Is that Bono 🤔
 
2020-10-29 12:47:05 PM  
Why should the subby get the Green for this headline. Shouldn't he/she have been making use of their time by getting out the vote, or working to feed the hungry?
 
2020-10-29 12:49:26 PM  
October 1970... Wasn't that when Quebecois terrorists kidnapped and murdered The Quebec deputy Premier?

Something like 500 people arrested, 60 charged, everyone else released within 21 days. Is the BQ going to apologize for the murder and kidnapping?
 
2020-10-29 12:53:17 PM  
I half expected this to be a demand issued by Cuban expats.
 
2020-10-29 12:57:59 PM  
Settle down, Quebec. Go smoke a cigarette.
 
2020-10-29 12:58:13 PM  
"Front de Libération du Quebec"
Oh, I thought it was the other guys in the Libération du Quebec Front
 
2020-10-29 12:59:59 PM  
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Just watch me not apologize.
 
2020-10-29 1:00:11 PM  
Demanding an apology bc Trudeau Sr didn't tolerate their terrorism is somehow very on-brand for the Bloc.
 
2020-10-29 1:00:38 PM  

some_beer_drinker: Marcus Aurelius: Can't he throw some poutine at them or something?

Sounds appropriately Canadian.


They won't take it as an insult, they will just ask for more.
 
2020-10-29 1:02:19 PM  

slama: Demanding an apology bc Trudeau Sr didn't tolerate their terrorism is somehow very on-brand for the Bloc.


I feel like I need to say that I know the BQ are not the same as the FLQ, I just worded it poorly bc I'm dumb and tired.
 
2020-10-29 1:05:59 PM  

special20: "Front de Libération du Quebec"
Oh, I thought it was the other guys in the Libération du Quebec Front


farking Libération du Quebec Front, splitters!

We're the Quebec Front du Libération!
 
2020-10-29 1:06:00 PM  
They are just trying to get some attention as demographics haven't been kind to their brand.

/live in this shiaty province with these shiaty people.
 
2020-10-29 1:06:09 PM  
And for those who don't know -- you know what happened to the FLQ members?

They were exiled to Cuba.

Which is just about the most Canadian solution to terrorism. "So you like socialism, huh? Want to live in a workers paradise? Well, good news. I just got off the phone with Fidel and he's willing to take you in. Bye."
 
2020-10-29 1:06:53 PM  
The BQ popularity in Quebec must be slipping.
 
2020-10-29 1:08:42 PM  
Oh, good gravy - don't try to blow s*** up! You won't be detained.
 
2020-10-29 1:09:16 PM  
I was alive for this dramatic part of Canadian history and here is my simple take.

When domestic terrorists kidnap and murder elected cabinet ministers that is an extraordinary attack on our democracy.   Just like American militia groups had they succeeded in kidnapping and murdering the governor of Michegan.

And let's be realistic the police for sure over reached and abused their power on hippies and minorities almost certainly because they were suddenly allowed to do so...back in an era where people trusted the police implicitly.

I fully supported the governments use of the War Measures Act then and still do.

but apologies cost nothing ....and they really did wrong to thousands of completely innocent people.  it would not be that big of a deal to acknowledge it .
 
2020-10-29 1:10:06 PM  
Trudeau Sr. handled the GLQ crisis exactly right.He was a fellow Quebecois and he knew exactly how to handle them.
 
2020-10-29 1:10:50 PM  

goodncold: They are just trying to get some attention as demographics haven't been kind to their brand.

/live in this shiaty province with these shiaty people.


This province is just fine.  Even our rightwing Bloc party is comparatively left-wing when you look at the US (and the UK).  And we'll throw them out like the bums they are soon enough.

Quebecers loved the PQ and Pauline Marois until they didn't and then they threw them out.
 
2020-10-29 1:11:46 PM  
With hindsight, the response to the October Crisis was harsher than it probably needed to be.

But at the time, after years of terrorist attacks, you  could not afford to underestimate the FLQ and there were real questions about just how large of a movement the FLQ had going.

Trudeau destroyed the FLQ and any eliminated the violent separatist movement entirely with only one person murdered by the terrorists, no terrorists harmed, and 500 arrests. No, the ends don't justify the means and it would be nice if they had found another way, but the response was highly effective was not the brutal crackdown that it is often portrayed as.
 
2020-10-29 1:12:48 PM  

awruk!: The BQ popularity in Quebec must be slipping.


More like the popularity of separation is slipping.  Young Quebecers aren't all that interested and the ones that are old enough to remember Maurice Duplaisise are dying off.  This is a sad attempt to hijack the recent surge in minority rights protests to stir up some "Canada doesn't care about us" narratives.
 
2020-10-29 1:13:00 PM  
Didn't Trudeau sr curtail the WMA after he used it, recognizing how those extraordinary powers might be abused in the future? Because IIRC, he did... and that's waaaay better than any stupid apology.
 
2020-10-29 1:15:04 PM  

mudesi: I say let them have this one.  It's not like apologising isn't something Trudeau doesn't have much experience doing.


Exactly. He apologizes for damn near anything and everything he's like our Canadian Jesus nailing himself to the cross for each and every national sin.
 
2020-10-29 1:16:58 PM  

Ishkur: And for those who don't know -- you know what happened to the FLQ members?

They were exiled to Cuba.

Which is just about the most Canadian solution to terrorism. "So you like socialism, huh? Want to live in a workers paradise? Well, good news. I just got off the phone with Fidel and he's willing to take you in. Bye."


Well they let some of the terrorists go to Cuba  in exchange for releasing the British diplomat they held hostage. This wasn't the Canadian government's idea, it was a terrorist demand.

Others who murdered their bargaining chip were arrested, tried, and imprisoned (as were the ones that when to Cuba when they returned years later).
 
2020-10-29 1:43:34 PM  

funmonger: Didn't Trudeau sr curtail the WMA after he used it, recognizing how those extraordinary powers might be abused in the future? Because IIRC, he did... and that's waaaay better than any stupid apology.


The WMA was repealed in 1988. Dunno how much Pierre had to do with it but the FLQ crisis was one of the things we worried about in its potential for abuse.

It was replaced by the Emergency Powers Act, which is a nerf'd version that mostly deals with natural disasters and other catastrophic loss of life and/or property.

No PM can do today what Pierre did.
 
2020-10-29 1:44:11 PM  

dywed88: Well they let some of the terrorists go to Cuba in exchange for releasing the British diplomat they held hostage. This wasn't the Canadian government's idea, it was a terrorist demand.


It was either that or hanging.
 
2020-10-29 2:12:09 PM  
va te faire foutre
Pardon my French
 
2020-10-29 2:29:09 PM  
Slightly different take on this here:

https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/ca​n​ada/588628/crise-d-octobre-le-federal-​va-refuser-de-s-excuser-officiellement​-pour-la-crise-d-octobre

TL/DR:  The Liberals will vote against it too, and the motion doesn't have a prayer.
 
2020-10-29 3:06:36 PM  
And friggin Hans Gruber was trying to force governments to free the FLQ bastards.  I'm glad John McClain investigated how well he could bounce.
 
2020-10-29 5:18:53 PM  
John Cleese "oh, shut up!"
Youtube wfSZ65GodOQ
 
2020-10-29 5:25:45 PM  
P.S. As you people are more than fond of telling Indigenous Canadians:

It was a long time ago, you should get over it.
 
2020-10-29 6:10:18 PM  

Ishkur: funmonger: Didn't Trudeau sr curtail the WMA after he used it, recognizing how those extraordinary powers might be abused in the future? Because IIRC, he did... and that's waaaay better than any stupid apology.

The WMA was repealed in 1988. Dunno how much Pierre had to do with it but the FLQ crisis was one of the things we worried about in its potential for abuse.

It was replaced by the Emergency Powers Act, which is a nerf'd version that mostly deals with natural disasters and other catastrophic loss of life and/or property.

No PM can do today what Pierre did.


It was Mulroney that replaced it.

I believe Trudeau administratively added some procedural hurdles to invoking it (of course they could be removed administratively as well).
 
2020-10-29 6:19:27 PM  

Ishkur: fark that. Those were terrorists. They actually DID kill a minister and kidnap another.

They were responsible for hundreds of bombings and acts of industrial sabotage in the 60s and at least a dozen murders. Trudeau did what was necessary: Full on martial state, detain and arrest hundreds of people. He eventually rooted out the bastards and got them.

FLQ hasn't been seen since. So it worked. There's nothing to apologize for ensuring peace, order, and good government.


I wish Justin would take some pages out of his father's playbook and be less apologetic. I'd love to see him give this Bloc request the middle finger.
 
2020-10-29 6:22:04 PM  

Ishkur: dywed88: Well they let some of the terrorists go to Cuba in exchange for releasing the British diplomat they held hostage. This wasn't the Canadian government's idea, it was a terrorist demand.

It was either that or hanging.


At the time hanging was only for murder of police or corrections officers.

If they had killed Cross, they would have likely gotten similar prison terms to Laporte's murderers. If they let him go, less.

The FLQ were very into Cuba, in fact they wanted an independent Quebec to be modelled on Cuba.
 
2020-10-29 9:16:35 PM  

dywed88: Ishkur: dywed88: Well they let some of the terrorists go to Cuba in exchange for releasing the British diplomat they held hostage. This wasn't the Canadian government's idea, it was a terrorist demand.

It was either that or hanging.

At the time hanging was only for murder of police or corrections officers.

If they had killed Cross, they would have likely gotten similar prison terms to Laporte's murderers. If they let him go, less.

The FLQ were very into Cuba, in fact they wanted an independent Quebec to be modelled on Cuba.


Unlucky for them that Castro was quite good friends with Trudeau the elder -- they both started out as charismatic, idealistic young lawyers, and ended up with a bit of a bromance. So the lives of the exiles in Cuba were not at all what they imagined.

They expected to be greeted and feted as revolutionaries. They got stuck living in a leaky hotel, unable to go anywhere at all or even to work for a long time. The revolutionary fervour died quickly in such conditions. At least one woman with a kid decided to go home after a while, can't blame her being disillusioned.

Castro was at Trudeau's funeral. He was in the same pew as Jimmy Carter, with the Aga Khan. I often wondered what that small talk was like.

And the Bloc has been flirting with more nationalist themes lately, looking for a new angle, so this isn't surprising. The Bloc used to be the party that got social programs and useful things out of the fed, but hasn't been for a while.

My parents grew up in Quebec, both francophones before they learned English. They still hate the FLQ, and they hate the Bloc's bullshiat. There was a certain amount of glee when the Orange Crush happened just because it meant a humiliating loss for the Bloc.

It seems like an attempt to drum up nostalgia among Boomers, since that's the right age group to sorta remember those events. Maybe they hope younger people might be sympathetic to some of the revolutionary ideals, I've been seeing more reference to Communist philosophy just generally around. Or it could be they think younger people are easily-led outrage machines who can be moved to yell at the fed.

It's always the same crap with nationalists. Immigrants, minority groups, and indigenous people get stuck taking shots while they refine their message and meticulously avoid meaningful infrastructural changes or learning anything. Three groups that are both underrepresented as well as growing in size and importance, but why would you want to seize their loyalty by advocating for their interests? They'll only outlast your existing party base by decades.

Just keep on farking that chicken, I guess?
 
2020-10-29 10:39:50 PM  

rue_in_winter: dywed88: Ishkur: dywed88: Well they let some of the terrorists go to Cuba in exchange for releasing the British diplomat they held hostage. This wasn't the Canadian government's idea, it was a terrorist demand.

It was either that or hanging.

At the time hanging was only for murder of police or corrections officers.

If they had killed Cross, they would have likely gotten similar prison terms to Laporte's murderers. If they let him go, less.

The FLQ were very into Cuba, in fact they wanted an independent Quebec to be modelled on Cuba.

Unlucky for them that Castro was quite good friends with Trudeau the elder -- they both started out as charismatic, idealistic young lawyers, and ended up with a bit of a bromance. So the lives of the exiles in Cuba were not at all what they imagined.

They expected to be greeted and feted as revolutionaries. They got stuck living in a leaky hotel, unable to go anywhere at all or even to work for a long time. The revolutionary fervour died quickly in such conditions. At least one woman with a kid decided to go home after a while, can't blame her being disillusioned.

Castro was at Trudeau's funeral. He was in the same pew as Jimmy Carter, with the Aga Khan. I often wondered what that small talk was like.

And the Bloc has been flirting with more nationalist themes lately, looking for a new angle, so this isn't surprising. The Bloc used to be the party that got social programs and useful things out of the fed, but hasn't been for a while.

My parents grew up in Quebec, both francophones before they learned English. They still hate the FLQ, and they hate the Bloc's bullshiat. There was a certain amount of glee when the Orange Crush happened just because it meant a humiliating loss for the Bloc.

It seems like an attempt to drum up nostalgia among Boomers, since that's the right age group to sorta remember those events. Maybe they hope younger people might be sympathetic to some of the revolutionary ideals, I've been seeing more reference to Communist philosophy just generally around. Or it could be they think younger people are easily-led outrage machines who can be moved to yell at the fed.

It's always the same crap with nationalists. Immigrants, minority groups, and indigenous people get stuck taking shots while they refine their message and meticulously avoid meaningful infrastructural changes or learning anything. Three groups that are both underrepresented as well as growing in size and importance, but why would you want to seize their loyalty by advocating for their interests? They'll only outlast your existing party base by decades.

Just keep on farking that chicken, I guess?


They all came back to Canada by 1981 or 82. Most had short prison sentences when they returned.
 
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