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(Reuters)   Oh Jews, American Jews? I've lifted a U.S. restriction applying to Israeli settlements in occupied territory so now you have to vote for me unless you are self hating. You're welcome   (reuters.com) divider line
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2020-10-29 11:00:39 AM  
לך תזדיין
 
2020-10-29 11:07:42 AM  
Trump allowing more apartheid activity from fascist theocracy Israel to buy votes?

It's more likely than you think.
 
2020-10-29 11:18:53 AM  
I really wish it'd get through their dense skulls that you can support the Jewish people without also being a Zionist.
 
2020-10-29 11:19:05 AM  
So Israel belongs to the GOP now?  They kind of rubbed Obama's face in the dirt, and now they're fellating Trump for all they're worth.  Isn't that going to be awkward for them when the Dems get back into power?
 
2020-10-29 11:26:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: So Israel belongs to the GOP now?  They kind of rubbed Obama's face in the dirt, and now they're fellating Trump for all they're worth.  Isn't that going to be awkward for them when the Dems get back into power?


That's what I tell other Israelis when they say that Trump has been great for Israel. They don't know what they're talking about.

Israel used to have massive, bipartisan support in the US. But Trump -- along with some antii-Semitic elements on the far-left -- have turned Israel into a partisan issue. Just like with everything else. (Even farking masks.) If you're conservative, you must support Israel. If you're liberal, you must hate Israel.

So, Israel has collectively lost a lot of that massive, bipartisan support. And that is not good for Israel.
 
2020-10-29 11:32:15 AM  

MattytheMouse: I really wish it'd get through their dense skulls that you can support the Jewish people without also being a Zionist.


Zionism is simply the belief that a Jewish state has a right to exist. There are Zionists from the far left to the far right.

Surprise! Most people are, in fact, Zionists.
 
2020-10-29 11:40:14 AM  

bostonguy: MattytheMouse: I really wish it'd get through their dense skulls that you can support the Jewish people without also being a Zionist.

Zionism is simply the belief that a Jewish state has a right to exist. There are Zionists from the far left to the far right.

Surprise! Most people are, in fact, Zionists.


I assure you, if any leftist supports the establishment of an ethno-nationalist state, they're a bad leftist.
 
2020-10-29 11:52:20 AM  
Well Israel sure got their monies worth with Kushner
 
2020-10-29 11:52:49 AM  

bostonguy: לך תזדיין


אמרת את זה יותר טוב ממני.
 
2020-10-29 11:53:03 AM  

bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: So Israel belongs to the GOP now?  They kind of rubbed Obama's face in the dirt, and now they're fellating Trump for all they're worth.  Isn't that going to be awkward for them when the Dems get back into power?

That's what I tell other Israelis when they say that Trump has been great for Israel. They don't know what they're talking about.

Israel used to have massive, bipartisan support in the US. But Trump -- along with some antii-Semitic elements on the far-left -- have turned Israel into a partisan issue. Just like with everything else. (Even farking masks.) If you're conservative, you must support Israel. If you're liberal, you must hate Israel.

So, Israel has collectively lost a lot of that massive, bipartisan support. And that is not good for Israel.


It's very good for Palestinians though
 
2020-10-29 11:53:13 AM  
The little people in funny hats that count Trump's money?  Those people?
 
2020-10-29 11:55:23 AM  
So when does he start offering "Please vote for me!" cash bribes?
 
2020-10-29 11:56:13 AM  
Oh sorry, thats still designated as an artillery target range. Build at your own risk
 
2020-10-29 11:57:10 AM  

bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: So Israel belongs to the GOP now?  They kind of rubbed Obama's face in the dirt, and now they're fellating Trump for all they're worth.  Isn't that going to be awkward for them when the Dems get back into power?

That's what I tell other Israelis when they say that Trump has been great for Israel. They don't know what they're talking about.

Israel used to have massive, bipartisan support in the US. But Trump -- along with some antii-Semitic elements on the far-left -- have turned Israel into a partisan issue.


Do they continue to enjoy support from the anti-Semitic elements on the right? You know, the ones that kill Jewish people and try to burn down Synagogues.
 
2020-10-29 11:57:12 AM  
Guess I'm self-hating. Huzzah for self-hate in the right places.
 
2020-10-29 11:57:35 AM  
More "Miracle in ME" nonsense from Trump and his buddy Bibi?

This time encouraging American Jews to move to the occupied territories?

Trump has made peace in the region more difficult, of course, but that is all part of the plan.
 
2020-10-29 11:57:55 AM  
Trump has done a lot to destabilize the region. If you are deciding your vote based on who would be better for Israel, it is not Trump.
 
2020-10-29 11:58:04 AM  

AxiomJackson: So when does he start offering "Please vote for me!" cash bribes?


I'll cheerfully take it (after negotiating him up to at least 125% of his initial offer) then remind him I already voted.
 
2020-10-29 11:58:05 AM  

bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: So Israel belongs to the GOP now?  They kind of rubbed Obama's face in the dirt, and now they're fellating Trump for all they're worth.  Isn't that going to be awkward for them when the Dems get back into power?

That's what I tell other Israelis when they say that Trump has been great for Israel. They don't know what they're talking about.

Israel used to have massive, bipartisan support in the US. But Trump -- along with some antii-Semitic elements on the far-left -- have turned Israel into a partisan issue. Just like with everything else. (Even farking masks.) If you're conservative, you must support Israel. If you're liberal, you must hate Israel.

So, Israel has collectively lost a lot of that massive, bipartisan support. And that is not good for Israel.


Um not in the slightest. Most Jewish senators etc are democrats and are more than happy to assist Israel when called upon. Look at the anti-BDS legislation as an example. It was sponsored by several prominent democrats until the ACLU pointed out it was a 1st amendment problem, and then most backed off but some like Wyden still thought it was a good idea. And then it quietly went away. Only to then be the very first order of business when the democrats won the house in 2018.

So no it is still very much bipartisan. which is why there was very little push back when Trump decided to move the embassy etc
 
2020-10-29 11:58:25 AM  

Podna: It's very good for Palestinians though


Not really -- they're polarized in the US as well, just in the opposite way. If you're liberal, you must support them. If you're conservative, you must hate them.
 
2020-10-29 11:59:10 AM  

bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: So Israel belongs to the GOP now?  They kind of rubbed Obama's face in the dirt, and now they're fellating Trump for all they're worth.  Isn't that going to be awkward for them when the Dems get back into power?

That's what I tell other Israelis when they say that Trump has been great for Israel. They don't know what they're talking about.

Israel used to have massive, bipartisan support in the US. But Trump -- along with some antii-Semitic elements on the far-left -- have turned Israel into a partisan issue. Just like with everything else. (Even farking masks.) If you're conservative, you must support Israel. If you're liberal, you must hate Israel.

So, Israel has collectively lost a lot of that massive, bipartisan support. And that is not good for Israel.


Pointing out shiatty, human rights violating activities of the Israeli government is not anti-Semitic, much like pointing out shiatty, human rights violating activities of the US government does not make one anti-American.  Conservatives chose to forget this fact in their endless drive to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
 
2020-10-29 11:59:57 AM  

bostonguy: MattytheMouse: I really wish it'd get through their dense skulls that you can support the Jewish people without also being a Zionist.

Zionism is simply the belief that a Jewish

Ethnically Pure state has a right to exist. There are Zionists from the far left to the far right.

Surprise! Most people are, in fact, Zionists.


FTFY
 
2020-10-29 12:01:21 PM  
זה בטח אומר שמשהו ענק עומד לרדת ביום שישי.
 
2020-10-29 12:01:42 PM  
What, was something wrong with one of the best technical universities in the world?

// as a bonus, it's not in "disputed" territory
// but if no one's getting eye-poked, I guess Trump don't wanna do it
 
2020-10-29 12:02:01 PM  

bostonguy: Podna: It's very good for Palestinians though

Not really -- they're polarized in the US as well, just in the opposite way. If you're liberal, you must support them. If you're conservative, you must hate them.


Only the left supports Palestinians, the center wishes they'd disappear, the right wants to make them disappear.
 
2020-10-29 12:03:44 PM  

bostonguy: MattytheMouse: I really wish it'd get through their dense skulls that you can support the Jewish people without also being a Zionist.

Zionism is simply the belief that a Jewish state has a right to exist. There are Zionists from the far left to the far right.

Surprise! Most people are, in fact, Zionists.


Actually it's the belief that the religion is entitled to rule a specific piece of territory as a (generally theocratic) ethno-state.

When you realize that there were people already living on the specific piece of real estate in question before all of this nonsense and that the invading government is putting them under apartheid, you'll quickly understand why most people, even most US jews, are NOT zionist.

You can't just re-define a term to be so absurdly broad that it now includes things that absolutely no one would actually say it includes (like, say, the opinion that all the Israelis could just immigrate to a random US state, problem solved) and then declare victory arbitrarily, the Nazis wore out that trick like two decades ago.

... wait, did I miss a subtle joke there? Was using one of the signature arguments of neonazi propaganda a low-key crack at Israel for being an openly fascist state?

Never mind, guess it was clever and not the stupidest thing I've read all day after all.
 
2020-10-29 12:04:16 PM  
The target audience for this is not Jews but Evangelical Christians.
 
2020-10-29 12:05:58 PM  
I settled for Biden does that count
 
2020-10-29 12:06:04 PM  
By the way, other related news today:

https://twitter.com/kylieatwood/statu​s​/1321811232429662209

White House says US citizens born in Jerusalem can now add "Israel" to the place of birth rather than just "Jerusalem"
 
2020-10-29 12:06:05 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Do they continue to enjoy support from the anti-Semitic elements on the right? You know, the ones that kill Jewish people and try to burn down Synagogues.


Far-right support for Israel is weird. You've got the more religious sorts who want Israel to exist so it can fulfill prophecy and kick off the Revelation of John end-times. Then there are the straight-up racists who want all of The Globalists to go to Israel so they're not in the US, and to fight Muslims for us, in a kind of let-them-fight.jpg sentiment. Plus I think that group just likes the idea of ethnostates in general.
 
2020-10-29 12:06:32 PM  

jmsvrsn: The target audience for this is not Jews but Evangelical Christians.


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2020-10-29 12:07:04 PM  
B-b-but he negotiated peace with the UAE!
 
2020-10-29 12:08:34 PM  

MattytheMouse: I assure you, if any leftist supports the establishment of an ethno-nationalist state, they're a bad leftist.


There are no leftists who want France to be a French state and Ireland to be an Irish state and so on? Most countries have "laws of return" similar to Israel's.
 
2020-10-29 12:10:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: So Israel belongs to the GOP now?  They kind of rubbed Obama's face in the dirt, and now they're fellating Trump for all they're worth.  Isn't that going to be awkward for them when the Dems get back into power?


Just more junkets to the Holy Land for Congress critters to keep the billions flowing
Notaproblem
 
2020-10-29 12:10:18 PM  
Trump is just being consistent.

He thinks Jewish Americans are Israelis.

He thinks black Americans are Africans.

He thinks Asian Americans are Chinese.

He thinks Hispanic Americans are Mexican.

His idea of an American is exceedingly narrow.

He may think he's the only one.
 
2020-10-29 12:10:36 PM  

K3rberos: Pointing out shiatty, human rights violating activities of the Israeli government is not anti-Semitic


Then why do those activists never point out the worse things that the Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, and other governments have done to the Palestinians? It's always Israel, Israel, Israel.
 
2020-10-29 12:12:15 PM  
The last Republican president to win a plurality of the Jewish vote was Warren Harding in 1920 (43%), and that was only because the majority of Jewish voters were split between Democrat James Cox (19%) and Socialist Eugene Debs (38%).

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/​j​ewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidentia​l-elections
 
2020-10-29 12:12:27 PM  
Is this just to appease people who think that "The Rapture" is an actual future event?
 
2020-10-29 12:12:47 PM  

Two16: Ethnically Pure state has a right to exist. There are Zionists from the far left to the far right.

Surprise! Most people are, in fact, Zionists.

FTFY


The vast, vast, vast majority of Israelis do not want an "ethnically pure" state to exist. The country was founded as both a Jewish state and a democracy at the beginning to ensure the rights of minorities. There are Druze, Armenian, Arab, and many other peoples living here of various religions.
 
2020-10-29 12:13:25 PM  

bostonguy: K3rberos: Pointing out shiatty, human rights violating activities of the Israeli government is not anti-Semitic

Then why do those activists never point out the worse things that the Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, and other governments have done to the Palestinians? It's always Israel, Israel, Israel.


Whataboutism won't work forever.  People criticized those countries as well. But only Israel seems to cry foul the most.

SA has started lobbying more as well as UAE. So we'll see how policy changes to protect Saudi interest like it did with Israel
 
2020-10-29 12:13:37 PM  

bostonguy: MattytheMouse: I assure you, if any leftist supports the establishment of an ethno-nationalist state, they're a bad leftist.

There are no leftists who want France to be a French state and Ireland to be an Irish state and so on? Most countries have "laws of return" similar to Israel's.


Do you consider the National Front in France to be left wing?
 
2020-10-29 12:13:51 PM  

fallingcow: HotWingConspiracy: Do they continue to enjoy support from the anti-Semitic elements on the right? You know, the ones that kill Jewish people and try to burn down Synagogues.

Far-right support for Israel is weird. You've got the more religious sorts who want Israel to exist so it can fulfill prophecy and kick off the Revelation of John end-times. Then there are the straight-up racists who want all of The Globalists to go to Israel so they're not in the US, and to fight Muslims for us, in a kind of let-them-fight.jpg sentiment. Plus I think that group just likes the idea of ethnostates in general.


If you start getting into white nationalist views of this, the way that they pair vicious anti-Semitism with fanatical support for Israel is by saying that modern Jewish people are imposters, and not the true Israelites of the Bible.  Israel will be reclaimed for the "true Israelites" -- i.e. white Christians.
 
2020-10-29 12:14:35 PM  

quatchi: More "Miracle in ME" nonsense from Trump and his buddy Bibi?

This time encouraging American Jews to move to the occupied territories?

Trump has made peace in the region more difficult, of course, but that is all part of the plan.


If by "peace in the region" you mean a two-state solution then that's been dead since before Trump got elected. Trump might actually be helping (not in the way he thinks) by making that more obvious.
 
2020-10-29 12:15:28 PM  
Did they expect the rest of the World to just sit on its hands forever?
 
2020-10-29 12:16:06 PM  
Re the evangelicals, I am so sick and farking tired of people not only cheerleading for, but actively working towards (in their minds) the end of the world.  While I don't believe in their phony baloney religion, their actions have real world consequences that hurt people.  Knock it off, you farksticks.
 
2020-10-29 12:16:15 PM  

bostonguy: MattytheMouse: I assure you, if any leftist supports the establishment of an ethno-nationalist state, they're a bad leftist.

There are no leftists who want France to be a French state and Ireland to be an Irish state and so on? Most countries have "laws of return" similar to Israel's.


I just wanted to point out you've said a lot of dumb sh*t in this thread, but this might be the dumbest.

I've never heard of a liberal saying France is only for the French or Ireland is only for the Irish. That sounds like conservative ethnocentrism bullsh*t.
 
2020-10-29 12:16:16 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Actually it's the belief that the religion is entitled to rule a specific piece of territory as a (generally theocratic) ethno-state.


Nope. Wrong.

The founder of Zionism and the early Zionists were all secular Jews who defined Judaism as an ethnic people who deserve their own state just as the French have France and the Irish have Ireland. That's why anyone who has at least one Jewish grandparent can get citizenship here. The Jews have Israel.

Religious Zionism wasn't much of a thing until after the 1967, when religious people took the resulting unification of Jerusalem and the holding of much of the West Bank as a divine sign.
 
2020-10-29 12:16:29 PM  
Netanyahu is looking at losing some of the $10 million a day we send Israel if he doesn't stop being an asshole.
 
2020-10-29 12:16:36 PM  
Scientific research on Israeli settlement territory? Sounds like somebody found the Ark of the Covenant.
 
2020-10-29 12:18:52 PM  

jake_lex: fallingcow: HotWingConspiracy: Do they continue to enjoy support from the anti-Semitic elements on the right? You know, the ones that kill Jewish people and try to burn down Synagogues.

Far-right support for Israel is weird. You've got the more religious sorts who want Israel to exist so it can fulfill prophecy and kick off the Revelation of John end-times. Then there are the straight-up racists who want all of The Globalists to go to Israel so they're not in the US, and to fight Muslims for us, in a kind of let-them-fight.jpg sentiment. Plus I think that group just likes the idea of ethnostates in general.

If you start getting into white nationalist views of this, the way that they pair vicious anti-Semitism with fanatical support for Israel is by saying that modern Jewish people are imposters, and not the true Israelites of the Bible.  Israel will be reclaimed for the "true Israelites" -- i.e. white Christians.


They also use Israel as an example of an ethno state that is successful.
 
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