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2020-10-29 10:48:50 AM  
It's not a lockdown if people still go to work and school, Macron.
 
2020-10-29 10:56:07 AM  
The sooner you learn to be slaves the sooner we can end the lockdowns.
 
2020-10-29 12:07:01 PM  
France and Germany have a long history of fruitful collaboration.
 
2020-10-29 12:08:40 PM  

skatedrifter: The sooner you learn to be slaves the sooner we can end the lockdowns.


Yupperz!!!!
 
2020-10-29 12:09:00 PM  
I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.
 
2020-10-29 12:09:15 PM  
Under the new French measures which come into force on Friday, people will be required to stay in their homes except to buy essential goods, seek medical attention, or exercise for up to one hour a day. They will be permitted to go to work if their employer deems it impossible for them to do the job from home. Schools will stay open.

Than why bother with a lockdown?
 
2020-10-29 12:09:33 PM  

Somacandra: It's not a lockdown if people still go to work and school, Macron.


"Get a brain Mocran!"
 
2020-10-29 12:10:07 PM  
But look at the bright side, at least they aren't digging trenches along the Somme.
 
2020-10-29 12:13:13 PM  
CSB : A local ice cream shop had a contest to combine 2 flavors and come up with a name for the combo. My entry was French vanilla and German chocolate, called the Blitzkrieg. I didn't win. Assholes, that was perfect.
 
2020-10-29 12:14:07 PM  
Well, at least I have enough toilet paper to last me.
 
2020-10-29 12:17:54 PM  

skatedrifter: The sooner you learn to be slaves the sooner we can end the lockdowns.


Presidente Mexico has something to say about this .

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-me​x​ico-politics-europe-idUSKBN27D2SC
 
2020-10-29 12:19:40 PM  

Somacandra: It's not a lockdown if people still go to work and school, Macron.



I really have little idea what is happening.   We have the best clinical data gatherers we have had in history, and this is the biggest issue of our time, and we have millions infected.  We should have a really frickin' excellent idea of how this spreads and why it goes up and down.   They are even contact tracing in Asia and many parts of Europe.  The second lockdown could be incredibly precise.  It should be.

Is that what's happening?  is this a PR "lockdown" or do they really know that schools are OK ?   Would they just tell us how to open schools safely instead of letting us stumble through it blindly?!?
 
2020-10-29 12:19:49 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: CSB : A local ice cream shop had a contest to combine 2 flavors and come up with a name for the combo. My entry was French vanilla and German chocolate, called the Blitzkrieg. I didn't win. Assholes, that was perfect.


What you needed was dark cherry sauce rippling through the French vanilla.
 
2020-10-29 12:21:38 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Under the new French measures which come into force on Friday, people will be required to stay in their homes except to buy essential goods, seek medical attention, or exercise for up to one hour a day. They will be permitted to go to work if their employer deems it impossible for them to do the job from home. Schools will stay open.

Than why bother with a lockdown?


Probably because France hasn't figured out the whole childcare thing either and is figuring those millions of essential workers who cannot stay home are going to need somewhere their kids can be watched during the day, oh and I guess learn or some shiat.

In my opinion, this above all has been the single greatest challenge and issue uncovered by COVID outside of the virus itself. We have seen that child care is necessary for businesses to operate fully.

If we were in the 1950s or 60s where the traditional model was that there was 1 parent who worked and 1 that stayed home to raise the kids, we would be in a much better position. I am not advocating we return to that traditional model, but the problem is that the family model has changed and it is common that both parents work (or in many cases there is only 1 parent present). Extended families are not as close as they once were in all cultures and there might not be additional support available. We have grown comfortable with schools effectively being daycare, and true daycares are only affordable to the wealthier of our nation.

- So, businesses are sitting here saying that their employees cannot return to the office because kids have nowhere to go since schools are closed.

- Parents are burdened with trying to work, educate, discipline, and provide for their kids (which is impossible to do all of those things effectively).

- Schools are having to adapt to an entirely new model in most cases without the resources, leadership, or experience to make that work.

In the end, everyone ends up pushing for schools to reopen because there is not another alternative. Thus the spread of COVID continues unabated.
 
2020-10-29 12:22:09 PM  

GrinzGrimly: I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.


They are actively managing their second wave of infections.

According to Fauci, the USA is still in a first wave that has yet to pullback enough for us to brace for a second wave, where I'm sure Donald Trump will "manage" it perfectly.
 
2020-10-29 12:23:26 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Under the new French measures which come into force on Friday, people will be required to stay in their homes except to buy essential goods, seek medical attention, or exercise for up to one hour a day. They will be permitted to go to work if their employer deems it impossible for them to do the job from home. Schools will stay open.

Than why bother with a lockdown?


I don't know, maybe there's something you don't know?

Like that schools do not appear to contribute much to the spread? Especially for children from ages 0 - 14?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arc​h​ive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreade​rs/616669/

And this is the Atlantic, not some right-wing conspiracy site like Fox News.
 
2020-10-29 12:23:46 PM  

MillionDollarMo: 7th Son of a 7th Son: CSB : A local ice cream shop had a contest to combine 2 flavors and come up with a name for the combo. My entry was French vanilla and German chocolate, called the Blitzkrieg. I didn't win. Assholes, that was perfect.

What you needed was dark cherry sauce rippling through the French vanilla.


That would have really tied it all together, definitely!
 
2020-10-29 12:25:30 PM  

hammettman: GrinzGrimly: I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.

They are actively managing their second wave of infections.

According to Fauci, the USA is still in a first wave that has yet to pullback enough for us to brace for a second wave, where I'm sure Donald Trump will "manage" it perfectly.


To be fair, Germany and France combined are less than half the US population also and encompass a much smaller land-mass. My neighborhood could be 100% COVID-free relatively easily. Expand that to my city and it becomes a much larger challenge.
 
2020-10-29 12:26:20 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Under the new French measures which come into force on Friday, people will be required to stay in their homes except to buy essential goods, seek medical attention, or exercise for up to one hour a day. They will be permitted to go to work if their employer deems it impossible for them to do the job from home. Schools will stay open.

Than why bother with a lockdown?


I'm speaking for Belgium, but I assume the reasoning is the same. The lockdown in March/April caused a larger setback in learning than we had anticipated. Especially children who already had learning problems and children in precarious home situations. The hope is that schools can be kept open as much as possible to avoid compounding the problem, by locking down everything else. Having your business closed now sucks, and might have repercussions in the long term for some. Having all schools closed will have a lasting impact on an entire generation.

Schools are doing all they can to keep infections from spreading: masks, washing hands, staying in bubbles on the playground, parent-teacher meetings can only be done digitally ... This only has a chance of succeeding if you can eliminate as much risk of infections being brought into the school in the first place.
 
2020-10-29 12:26:27 PM  

hammettman: GrinzGrimly: I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.

They are actively managing their second wave of infections.

According to Fauci, the USA is still in a first wave that has yet to pullback enough for us to brace for a second wave, where I'm sure Donald Trump will "manage" it perfectly.


People really haven't figured out that Fauci is pretty much spit balling?

Fauci knows about as much about this virus and the proper way to handle it as your mail man.

Anybody saying they know exactly what to do and have it all figured.....is lying through their teeth.
 
2020-10-29 12:29:04 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: In the end, everyone ends up pushing for schools to reopen because there is not another alternative. Thus the spread of COVID continues unabated.


I trust schools to put in the correct social distancing measures far more than I do individual people on their own free time. In a regimented, institutional setting you're going to have rules enforced. Far more risk of Covid being spread by 10-15 person parties at home and indoor dining at bars and restaurants than schools, IMO.
 
2020-10-29 12:29:22 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Under the new French measures which come into force on Friday, people will be required to stay in their homes except to buy essential goods, seek medical attention, or exercise for up to one hour a day. They will be permitted to go to work if their employer deems it impossible for them to do the job from home. Schools will stay open.

Than why bother with a lockdown?

Probably because France hasn't figured out the whole childcare thing either and is figuring those millions of essential workers who cannot stay home are going to need somewhere their kids can be watched during the day, oh and I guess learn or some shiat.

In my opinion, this above all has been the single greatest challenge and issue uncovered by COVID outside of the virus itself. We have seen that child care is necessary for businesses to operate fully.

If we were in the 1950s or 60s where the traditional model was that there was 1 parent who worked and 1 that stayed home to raise the kids, we would be in a much better position. I am not advocating we return to that traditional model, but the problem is that the family model has changed and it is common that both parents work (or in many cases there is only 1 parent present). Extended families are not as close as they once were in all cultures and there might not be additional support available. We have grown comfortable with schools effectively being daycare, and true daycares are only affordable to the wealthier of our nation.

- So, businesses are sitting here saying that their employees cannot return to the office because kids have nowhere to go since schools are closed.

- Parents are burdened with trying to work, educate, discipline, and provide for their kids (which is impossible to do all of those things effectively).

- Schools are having to adapt to an entirely new model in most cases without the resources, leadership, or experience to make that work.

In the end, everyone ends up pushing for schools to reopen because there is not another alternative. Thus the spread of COVID continues unabated.


Well, the GOP is doing it's part by setting the clock back to the 1950s, with women barefoot, pregnant, and chained to the stove.

Right, Amy?
 
2020-10-29 12:31:35 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Under the new French measures which come into force on Friday, people will be required to stay in their homes except to buy essential goods, seek medical attention, or exercise for up to one hour a day. They will be permitted to go to work if their employer deems it impossible for them to do the job from home. Schools will stay open.

Than why bother with a lockdown?

I don't know, maybe there's something you don't know?

Like that schools do not appear to contribute much to the spread? Especially for children from ages 0 - 14?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreade​rs/616669/

And this is the Atlantic, not some right-wing conspiracy site like Fox News.


The intent on reopening US schools is to kill all the competent teachers, so education can be converted to for-profit Southern Baptist madrassas.
 
2020-10-29 12:31:49 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Probably because France hasn't figured out the whole childcare thing either and is figuring those millions of essential workers who cannot stay home are going to need somewhere their kids can be watched during the day, oh and I guess learn or some shiat.


That's a Bingo.

It's going to come down to how many of the kids live in multigenerational households. In many countries (not sure if France is one, but US is for sure) you have kids living with not just parents and sibling, but grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Even more fun if parents are divorced. Siblings too tend to go to different schools from each other but share rooms so multiple opportunities to share at home what classmates and staff have.

You watch, the places where there are larger family numbers living together will be the superspreaders on this wave.

/school nurse
//assigned bad guy
 
2020-10-29 12:31:59 PM  

hammettman: GrinzGrimly: I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.

They are actively managing their second wave of infections.

According to Fauci, the USA is still in a first wave that has yet to pullback enough for us to brace for a second wave, where I'm sure Donald Trump will "manage" it perfectly.



At this point our Second Wave will just merge with our First Wave.  So expect this coming peak to be WAY higher.    Sort of like a solar tide aligning with the lunar tide.  Or in a more recent example, when a storm surge comes ashore at the same time as a high tide.   Sort of picture a wall of coronavirus 25 feet high washing in from the shore, overtopping streets, cars, homes, people, your whole world and everything you have and everyone you know.
 
2020-10-29 12:35:49 PM  
turboke:

Except schools aren't driving the pandemic.  There are scientists studying this, lots of them. They don't think schools cause wide spread transmission

https://www.nature.com/articles/d4158​6​-020-02973-
 
2020-10-29 12:35:56 PM  

dbaggins: hammettman: GrinzGrimly: I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.

They are actively managing their second wave of infections.

According to Fauci, the USA is still in a first wave that has yet to pullback enough for us to brace for a second wave, where I'm sure Donald Trump will "manage" it perfectly.


At this point our Second Wave will just merge with our First Wave.  So expect this coming peak to be WAY higher.    Sort of like a solar tide aligning with the lunar tide.  Or in a more recent example, when a storm surge comes ashore at the same time as a high tide.   Sort of picture a wall of coronavirus 25 feet high washing in from the shore, overtopping streets, cars, homes, people, your whole world and everything you have and everyone you know.


We were warned how bad the 1918 Flu second wave was compared to the first, but because no one was painting X on the houses with the plague and mass graves were few, I guess folks didn't think we wouldn't be as naive...
 
2020-10-29 12:36:36 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arc​h​ive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreade​rs/616669/



While I would love to know that was true, this is from an economist, not an epidemiologist.  There is a character flaw in all economic scientist and I've never seen a counter example: They start with the outcome they want and work backwards to the find the data that supports this outcome.    The Atlantic has a bad habit of being soft-brained when it comes to economists.
 
2020-10-29 12:37:45 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: In my opinion, this above all has been the single greatest challenge and issue uncovered by COVID outside of the virus itself. We have seen that child care is necessary for businesses to operate fully.


We have also seen that most parents are not educators. And it came as a surprise to no one that the children who need the most follow-up from teachers are often on the wrong side of the digital divide.

the money is in the banana stand: Extended families are not as close as they once were in all cultures and there might not be additional support available.


Grandparents are either old enough to be at a higher risk or young enough to still be active in the workforce themselves. I am close with my parents (even in a literal sense, they live across the street) but I'm not going to risk infecting my dad who was a heart condition.
 
2020-10-29 12:40:22 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: CSB : A local ice cream shop had a contest to combine 2 flavors and come up with a name for the combo. My entry was French vanilla and German chocolate, called the Blitzkrieg. I didn't win. Assholes, that was perfect.


The blitz was England. For French vanilla and German chocolate you need "Vichy French Vanilla"
 
2020-10-29 12:43:04 PM  
Meanwhile, let's check in on Sweden, where we were promised corpses in the streets without lockdowns and masks:

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2020-10-29 12:44:37 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: turboke:

Except schools aren't driving the pandemic.  There are scientists studying this, lots of them. They don't think schools cause wide spread transmission

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586​-020-02973-


"Except" isn't the word you're looking for. ;)

Again, speaking for Belgium (doing the worst in Europe for the moment). If someone tests positive, the class has to be quarantined. If that someone happens to be a teacher, everyone in the teachers' lounge has to be quarantined too. If we can't keep people from getting infected elsewhere, there won't be many schools that can stay open. Locking down everything but the schools is the best chance we have at keeping the schools functioning as normally as possible.

The numbers in Belgium show that schools have caught up with the general population in number of infections and preventive quarantines. That's not because of the schools, that's because of infections from outside the schools. Contact tracing shows that.
 
2020-10-29 12:44:51 PM  

dbaggins: Somacandra: It's not a lockdown if people still go to work and school, Macron.


I really have little idea what is happening.   We have the best clinical data gatherers we have had in history, and this is the biggest issue of our time, and we have millions infected.  We should have a really frickin' excellent idea of how this spreads and why it goes up and down.   They are even contact tracing in Asia and many parts of Europe.  The second lockdown could be incredibly precise.  It should be.

Is that what's happening?  is this a PR "lockdown" or do they really know that schools are OK ?   Would they just tell us how to open schools safely instead of letting us stumble through it blindly?!?


Politicians typically aren't doctors, their tactics should be expected to be more PR than science.
 
2020-10-29 12:45:41 PM  

gretzkyscores: Meanwhile, let's check in on Sweden, where we were promised corpses in the streets without lockdowns and masks:

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This is fark, everyone in sweden is presumed dead. Fake graph.
 
2020-10-29 12:50:20 PM  

gretzkyscores: Meanwhile, let's check in on Sweden, where we were promised corpses in the streets without lockdowns and masks:

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I've heard that one before: "See, in Sweden ..." Belgium's population density is 15.5 times that of Sweden. Even if you discard largely unpopulated areas, they are still spread out more.
 
2020-10-29 12:52:18 PM  

gretzkyscores: Meanwhile, let's check in on Sweden, where we were promised corpses in the streets without lockdowns and masks:

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You know, I saw an interesting documentary on Sweden and COVID.  If you track Excess Deaths, Sweden is as high as the worst countries.   Sweden is an odd place, as they are very quick to assign "palliative care" to the older population.  They are a bit less hysterical about the end of life and know that aggressive diagnosis and intervention doesn't usually make people happier.  As a result, they have one of the lowest testing rates anywhere.  It really is Trump's dream.  You only can get a COVID test in Sweden if you have the specific symptoms, and nursing homes and assisted living facilities are not required to test, and are permitted to administer palliative care.
 
2020-10-29 12:56:42 PM  
turboke:

5 months ago: Sweden should be doing what everybody else is!

Today: yeah but Sweden is different.
 
2020-10-29 12:57:07 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Well, the GOP is doing it's part by setting the clock back to the 1950s, with women barefoot, pregnant, and chained to the stove.

Right, Amy?


I'm not sure Supreme Court Justice Barrett would agree that women should be barefoot, pregnant, and chained to the stove.
 
2020-10-29 12:58:27 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: hammettman: GrinzGrimly: I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.

They are actively managing their second wave of infections.

According to Fauci, the USA is still in a first wave that has yet to pullback enough for us to brace for a second wave, where I'm sure Donald Trump will "manage" it perfectly.

People really haven't figured out that Fauci is pretty much spit balling?

Fauci knows about as much about this virus and the proper way to handle it as your mail man.

Anybody saying they know exactly what to do and have it all figured.....is lying through their teeth.


Add to that the fact that people don't know that they are infected..  a test is good for that instant it was done... 10 seconds later, you could be infected, and not know it...  what nobody has learned, is that Covid will continue until it either runs out of viable hosts, or a working vaccine is here and being distributed, and that there are BILLIONS of people that have not been exposed yet... they will be, at some point.  All prospective new cases... and people cannot survive a full lockdown.  Neither can a country.  This is why CBW was outlawed, and we are now seeing what it does,and starting to understand that once started, there is no stopping it.   Thanks, scientists.
 
2020-10-29 12:59:28 PM  

turboke: gretzkyscores: Meanwhile, let's check in on Sweden, where we were promised corpses in the streets without lockdowns and masks:

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I've heard that one before: "See, in Sweden ..." Belgium's population density is 15.5 times that of Sweden. Even if you discard largely unpopulated areas, they are still spread out more.


That's true on its face, but unless you're completely unfamiliar with Belgium and Sweden, you realize that most of Sweden's population is concentrated in a few small areas.  Huge swaths of the Sweden are virtually uninhabited (but should, of course, still be locked down because reasons).
 
2020-10-29 1:02:44 PM  

Shaggy_C: the money is in the banana stand: In the end, everyone ends up pushing for schools to reopen because there is not another alternative. Thus the spread of COVID continues unabated.

I trust schools to put in the correct social distancing measures far more than I do individual people on their own free time. In a regimented, institutional setting you're going to have rules enforced. Far more risk of Covid being spread by 10-15 person parties at home and indoor dining at bars and restaurants than schools, IMO.


I have zero faith this will occur and besides, you cannot control for social distancing within family units. While they might limit the spread, I am dubious that kids are not going to be kids and those kids are going to and from homes and coming into contact with different family members, probably at a higher rate of interaction between adult family members.

At least in the US, almost every school or institution that has come back to in school learning has had a COVID outbreak almost the same week forcing a return to distance learning shortly after. This isn't just at redneck schools either with lax enforcement or buy-in.
 
2020-10-29 1:07:34 PM  
Here's my completely unsubstantiated theory on why young kids don't transmit Covid much.

They move around a lot.

The older we get the more we tend to remain in the same spot for long periods - bars, theaters, churches, work. Kids, on the other hand, move. They play, run, bike...they just don't sit around each other spewing virus.
 
2020-10-29 1:07:56 PM  

turboke: the money is in the banana stand: In my opinion, this above all has been the single greatest challenge and issue uncovered by COVID outside of the virus itself. We have seen that child care is necessary for businesses to operate fully.

We have also seen that most parents are not educators. And it came as a surprise to no one that the children who need the most follow-up from teachers are often on the wrong side of the digital divide.

the money is in the banana stand: Extended families are not as close as they once were in all cultures and there might not be additional support available.

Grandparents are either old enough to be at a higher risk or young enough to still be active in the workforce themselves. I am close with my parents (even in a literal sense, they live across the street) but I'm not going to risk infecting my dad who was a heart condition.


Right, but that isn't what everyone is doing or has the luxury to be doing. One of the major reasons why COVID has spread so rapidly amongst minority communities is the fact they:

- Tend to have more multi-generational families living together or acting as caregivers or guardians
- Can ill afford to stay home or have jobs allowing then to work remotely and are forced to leave their kids with another family member. This unfortunately gets passed on to the grand-parents more often than not which, as you said, are in a higher risk category.

The working class used this system to cope with child care and because there is not an alternative system in place is adversely affecting them more than white collar workers who can stay home employed in PJs almost indefinitely getting their Uber Eats orders wondering why people don't just social distance and wear masks.
 
2020-10-29 1:08:15 PM  
OlderGuy:

yeah, It's almost like the only realistic option is government provide as much info about it as they can.  And then let people make decisions for themselves about it

(You know.  The Same way every other disease has been handled since....forever)
 
2020-10-29 1:09:25 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: At least in the US, almost every school or institution that has come back to in school learning has had a COVID outbreak almost the same week forcing a return to distance learning shortly after. This isn't just at redneck schools either with lax enforcement or buy-in.


It is possible that some countries in Europe are running a better back-to-school protocol.  They had their federal governments issue instructions and enforce things like testing, tracking, quarantines, etc.  Specific schools in every country have had outbreaks and quarantines, etc.  but none of them in Europe went back to shutdown and remote learning.   Here in the US we really aren't using any good protocols.  When a school gets an outbreak we have no clue how to manage it and our only moral option is to shut down again.
 
2020-10-29 1:12:12 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Shaggy_C: the money is in the banana stand: In the end, everyone ends up pushing for schools to reopen because there is not another alternative. Thus the spread of COVID continues unabated.

I trust schools to put in the correct social distancing measures far more than I do individual people on their own free time. In a regimented, institutional setting you're going to have rules enforced. Far more risk of Covid being spread by 10-15 person parties at home and indoor dining at bars and restaurants than schools, IMO.

I have zero faith this will occur and besides, you cannot control for social distancing within family units. While they might limit the spread, I am dubious that kids are not going to be kids and those kids are going to and from homes and coming into contact with different family members, probably at a higher rate of interaction between adult family members.

At least in the US, almost every school or institution that has come back to in school learning has had a COVID outbreak almost the same week forcing a return to distance learning shortly after. This isn't just at redneck schools either with lax enforcement or buy-in.


What's your evidence that there are "red neck schools not buying in?"  Or were you just going off your off own bigotry?
 
2020-10-29 1:13:55 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: turboke:

5 months ago: Sweden should be doing what everybody else is!

Today: yeah but Sweden is different.


That's not what I meant. I mean that Belgium shouldn't be doing what Sweden is because Belgium is different.

FLMountainMan: That's true on its face, but unless you're completely unfamiliar with Belgium and Sweden, you realize that most of Sweden's population is concentrated in a few small areas.  Huge swaths of the Sweden are virtually uninhabited (but should, of course, still be locked down because reasons).


You also have to consider differences in lifestyle. (Warning: generalisations ahead!) Scandinavians make a national pastime of drinking in their underwear at home. Mediterraneans basically live in the village square more than in their own homes. Belgium is halfway between those.
 
2020-10-29 1:14:44 PM  

hammettman: GrinzGrimly: I can't believe Donald Trump has so badly mismanaged the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.

They are actively managing their second wave of infections.

According to Fauci, the USA is still in a first wave that has yet to pullback enough for us to brace for a second wave, where I'm sure Donald Trump will "manage" it perfectly.


"Managing" it?  There won't be true management (not cure) of it until a vaccine is produced.

Remember the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918?  The flu that is seasonally passed around year after year nowadays is just a mutation of that initial outbreak.  We never cured it.  We won't cure COVID, we will just treat it.

Wouldn't have mattered if it was Hillary, Trump or some other muppet head was President.

Multiple phases of this outbreak are and always were unavoidable.  Vaccines are a mitigation strategy.
 
2020-10-29 1:16:14 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: the money is in the banana stand: Shaggy_C: the money is in the banana stand: In the end, everyone ends up pushing for schools to reopen because there is not another alternative. Thus the spread of COVID continues unabated.

I trust schools to put in the correct social distancing measures far more than I do individual people on their own free time. In a regimented, institutional setting you're going to have rules enforced. Far more risk of Covid being spread by 10-15 person parties at home and indoor dining at bars and restaurants than schools, IMO.

I have zero faith this will occur and besides, you cannot control for social distancing within family units. While they might limit the spread, I am dubious that kids are not going to be kids and those kids are going to and from homes and coming into contact with different family members, probably at a higher rate of interaction between adult family members.

At least in the US, almost every school or institution that has come back to in school learning has had a COVID outbreak almost the same week forcing a return to distance learning shortly after. This isn't just at redneck schools either with lax enforcement or buy-in.

What's your evidence that there are "red neck schools not buying in?"  Or were you just going off your off own bigotry?


I am not making an accusation so, chill, I am in Texas. Quite commonly, the perception here on Fark is that any sort of spread of COVID is directly attributed to "Red States" and anti-mask caricature versions of Boogaloo boys. My comment was that this idea is fantasy and that it is most schools struggling with this, even ones that are heralded as liberal universities or in solidly blue areas with democratic leadership, boards, and educators.
 
2020-10-29 1:16:39 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Under the new French measures which come into force on Friday, people will be required to stay in their homes except to buy essential goods, seek medical attention, or exercise for up to one hour a day. They will be permitted to go to work if their employer deems it impossible for them to do the job from home. Schools will stay open.

Than why bother with a lockdown?

I don't know, maybe there's something you don't know?

Like that schools do not appear to contribute much to the spread? Especially for children from ages 0 - 14?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arch​ive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreade​rs/616669/

And this is the Atlantic, not some right-wing conspiracy site like Fox News.


Oh, an article written by an economist.
I feel much better now.
 
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