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2020-10-29 4:26:45 PM  
Peter Hook recalls the first time he realized he could ride Ian Curtis's coattails for the rest of his life

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2020-10-29 4:36:11 PM  
Sam Riley recently opened up to NME about the "pure terror" of playing Ian Curtis in 2007 biopic Control.

when "Control" came out, a music mag I read, either MOJO or Uncut, did a piece about the film, directed by Anton Corbijn.  He shot most of the iconic Joy Division photographs (and became a famous music photographer, perhaps best known for his U2 "The Joshua Tree" work, as all as many other acts.)

anyways....he'd stayed friends with Ian's widow, Deborah, who'd kept much of Ian's personal belongings.  For filming, Corbijn got permission from the owners of Ian and Deborah's flat in Macclesfield (where Ian hanged himself) to shoot exterior scenes there.  Deborah loaned Corbijn Ian's trademark dark green raincoat for the film (even though it was shot in B/W).  Riley, who bore an extremely uncanny resemblance to Ian, wore it for various scenes.

Deborah was visiting the set at the former Curtis home, and when she arrived and saw Riley, in full Ian Curtis getup, Corbijn said in the article, she shuddered and broke into tears.  "it's like seeing a ghost", she said.

/the movie is sadly excellent.
 
2020-10-29 5:07:02 PM  
Peter Hook recalls the first time he realized he could ride Ian Curtis's coattails for the rest of his life

Maybe Ian Curtis should have hanged around for a bit longer.
 
2020-10-29 5:10:06 PM  
It's not Hook's fault Curtis killed himself. Saw his Unknown Pleasures tour about 10 years ago and it was phenomenal. Much like Kurt Cobain, no one would give two shiats about Ian Curtis if he hadn't killed himself.
 
2020-10-29 6:15:22 PM  
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2020-10-29 6:47:30 PM  
Karma Chameleon:

Sad but true

Same applies to Joplin, Hendrix, Valens, Holly

Sure all put out iconic works, but we never saw them put out complete crap
 
2020-10-29 6:57:18 PM  
It was horribly sad for them, but, 1983 on, New Order has outshone Joy Division in every way possible. Even their recent stuff is still very good. It's one of the best, and most influential, bands in history.

/Not to trivialize the loss of their friend.
 
2020-10-29 7:00:25 PM  

luidprand: It was horribly sad for them, but, 1983 on, New Order has outshone Joy Division in every way possible. Even their recent stuff is still very good. It's one of the best, and most influential, bands in history.

/Not to trivialize the loss of their friend.


I mean, I totally get why Joy Division's work is so revered, but what they released as New Order from then onward is just more enjoyable. For one, Bernard Sumner's vocals are much more pleasant than Ian's.
 
2020-10-29 7:11:50 PM  
So he's like every other bass player then?
 
2020-10-29 7:16:08 PM  

rickythepenguin: Sam Riley recently opened up to NME about the "pure terror" of playing Ian Curtis in 2007 biopic Control.

when "Control" came out, a music mag I read, either MOJO or Uncut, did a piece about the film, directed by Anton Corbijn.  He shot most of the iconic Joy Division photographs (and became a famous music photographer, perhaps best known for his U2 "The Joshua Tree" work, as all as many other acts.)

anyways....he'd stayed friends with Ian's widow, Deborah, who'd kept much of Ian's personal belongings.  For filming, Corbijn got permission from the owners of Ian and Deborah's flat in Macclesfield (where Ian hanged himself) to shoot exterior scenes there.  Deborah loaned Corbijn Ian's trademark dark green raincoat for the film (even though it was shot in B/W).  Riley, who bore an extremely uncanny resemblance to Ian, wore it for various scenes.

Deborah was visiting the set at the former Curtis home, and when she arrived and saw Riley, in full Ian Curtis getup, Corbijn said in the article, she shuddered and broke into tears.  "it's like seeing a ghost", she said.

/the movie is sadly excellent.


That is both an amazing story and absolutely frightening. Seeing your dead husband again could not be more terrifying, particularly under the circumstances of his death. Everything about this movie seems to sum up the despair and heartbreak of Joy Division.

On the other hand he also was a bit of a dick in 24 Hour Party People. Not sure how much I worship the guy personally, no matter how much a total JD fanboy I will admit to be.
 
2020-10-29 7:37:57 PM  

Killer Cars: luidprand: It was horribly sad for them, but, 1983 on, New Order has outshone Joy Division in every way possible. Even their recent stuff is still very good. It's one of the best, and most influential, bands in history.

/Not to trivialize the loss of their friend.

I mean, I totally get why Joy Division's work is so revered, but what they released as New Order from then onward is just more enjoyable. For one, Bernard Sumner's vocals are much more pleasant than Ian's.


It's true New Order has outshone Joy Division, for a lot of good reasons. Not the least of which becayse JD had a deliberately anti-commercial musical style, while New Order was disco dance pop. Also, the tone and words of JD were somber, depressing, and full of despondent wailing. So, I get that won't bring in the fans worldwide.

Yet, they do have a massive fanbase world-wide, and New Order regularly plays JD songs, tours as JD, etc. I think it's one of those bands that grew in stature over time. I don't remember JD being so widely worshiped back in the 80s. At least in the US, there was no radio play, no videos, little record store distribution, etc. They never even toured here. They were the ultimate underground band. The fact that Ian Curtis would eventually be portrayed in two movies would have been laughable at the time. I also heard Love Will Tear Us Apart in the grocery store recently, which I would have thought to be a prank, but I guess it's now Muzak.
 
2020-10-29 7:47:16 PM  

djfitz: That is both an amazing story and absolutely frightening. Seeing your dead husband again could not be more terrifying, particularly under the circumstances of his death. Everything about this movie seems to sum up the despair and heartbreak of Joy Division.


yeah it's pretty crazy.

I just spent 10 minutes trying to find the Youtube video I saw a few months back of Natalie Curtis visiting the Hulme Bridge in Manchester where JD shot those iconic shots of them on the snowed-out bridge.  She'd never been and was moved by being there.

And she bore (bears) an astonishing resemblance to her dad.
 
2020-10-29 8:32:51 PM  
Not sure why people can't realize that both bands are great. No need to cra p on one or the other.
 
2020-10-29 8:37:15 PM  

djfitz: Killer Cars: luidprand: It was horribly sad for them, but, 1983 on, New Order has outshone Joy Division in every way possible. Even their recent stuff is still very good. It's one of the best, and most influential, bands in history.

/Not to trivialize the loss of their friend.

I mean, I totally get why Joy Division's work is so revered, but what they released as New Order from then onward is just more enjoyable. For one, Bernard Sumner's vocals are much more pleasant than Ian's.

It's true New Order has outshone Joy Division, for a lot of good reasons. Not the least of which becayse JD had a deliberately anti-commercial musical style, while New Order was disco dance pop. Also, the tone and words of JD were somber, depressing, and full of despondent wailing. So, I get that won't bring in the fans worldwide.

Yet, they do have a massive fanbase world-wide, and New Order regularly plays JD songs, tours as JD, etc. I think it's one of those bands that grew in stature over time. I don't remember JD being so widely worshiped back in the 80s. At least in the US, there was no radio play, no videos, little record store distribution, etc. They never even toured here. They were the ultimate underground band. The fact that Ian Curtis would eventually be portrayed in two movies would have been laughable at the time. I also heard Love Will Tear Us Apart in the grocery store recently, which I would have thought to be a prank, but I guess it's now Muzak.


They didn't get a lot of radio play or videos on MTV in the 80s because Ian Curtis was dead in 1980.
Not to mention, the early 80s were a boom of musical creativity; The transition from disco to new wave, multiple new genres of hard rock and heavy metal, the birth of hip hop, and a teenager who used to be in a family band becoming the biggest music star on the planet.

No time in the lineup for a dead sad sack.

And yes, New Order was much better. To imply they were riding Curtis' coattails when they put out one hit album after another for more than a decade is giving Curtis way too much credit.
 
2020-10-29 9:54:51 PM  

Eightballjacket: Not sure why people can't realize that both bands are great. No need to cra p on one or the other.


Yeah, I like Joy Division, New Order, Electronic, and The Other Two.

All great bands from a common core.
 
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2020-10-30 2:01:17 AM  

djfitz: Killer Cars: luidprand: It was horribly sad for them, but, 1983 on, New Order has outshone Joy Division in every way possible. Even their recent stuff is still very good. It's one of the best, and most influential, bands in history.

/Not to trivialize the loss of their friend.

I mean, I totally get why Joy Division's work is so revered, but what they released as New Order from then onward is just more enjoyable. For one, Bernard Sumner's vocals are much more pleasant than Ian's.

It's true New Order has outshone Joy Division, for a lot of good reasons. Not the least of which becayse JD had a deliberately anti-commercial musical style, while New Order was disco dance pop. Also, the tone and words of JD were somber, depressing, and full of despondent wailing. So, I get that won't bring in the fans worldwide.

Yet, they do have a massive fanbase world-wide, and New Order regularly plays JD songs, tours as JD, etc. I think it's one of those bands that grew in stature over time. I don't remember JD being so widely worshiped back in the 80s. At least in the US, there was no radio play, no videos, little record store distribution, etc. They never even toured here. They were the ultimate underground band. The fact that Ian Curtis would eventually be portrayed in two movies would have been laughable at the time. I also heard Love Will Tear Us Apart in the grocery store recently, which I would have thought to be a prank, but I guess it's now Muzak.


Joy Division was big on college radio in the 80s. At least, I heard them when I was at college. I had a couple New Order and Joy Division posters hanging up in my dorm room. They got stolen out of my car when I was packing up at the end of the year. Also had a Lost Boys poster a friend got me from a theater.
 
2020-10-30 3:09:21 AM  

LucklessWonder: Eightballjacket: Not sure why people can't realize that both bands are great. No need to cra p on one or the other.

Yeah, I like Joy Division, New Order, Electronic, and The Other Two.

All great bands from a common core.


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2020-10-30 7:01:20 AM  

LewDux: LucklessWonder: Eightballjacket: Not sure why people can't realize that both bands are great. No need to cra p on one or the other.

Yeah, I like Joy Division, New Order, Electronic, and The Other Two.

All great bands from a common core.

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[YouTube video: Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Getting Away With It]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE6​T6QOhovg


New to me. Thanks
 
2020-10-30 4:01:49 PM  

djfitz: Killer Cars: luidprand: It was horribly sad for them, but, 1983 on, New Order has outshone Joy Division in every way possible. Even their recent stuff is still very good. It's one of the best, and most influential, bands in history.

/Not to trivialize the loss of their friend.

I mean, I totally get why Joy Division's work is so revered, but what they released as New Order from then onward is just more enjoyable. For one, Bernard Sumner's vocals are much more pleasant than Ian's.

It's true New Order has outshone Joy Division, for a lot of good reasons. Not the least of which becayse JD had a deliberately anti-commercial musical style, while New Order was disco dance pop.


New Order was more pop punk, like the Ramones, but actually being able to play their instruments, like Love and Rockets, the Talking Heads, or the Police. The thing is, New Order and other early 80s pop punk acts changed the music scene in rock, pop, punk, and even hip hop so much that they were embraced by dance clubs and other large-scale venues. The fact that they put out massively amazing music helped a lot.

Also, the tone and words of JD were somber, depressing, and full of despondent wailing. So, I get that won't bring in the fans worldwide.

New Order has had multiple hits that were somber, depressing, and full of despondent wailing.

Yet, they do have a massive fanbase world-wide, and New Order regularly plays JD songs, tours as JD, etc. I think it's one of those bands that grew in stature over time. I don't remember JD being so widely worshiped back in the 80s. At least in the US, there was no radio play, no videos, little record store distribution, etc. They never even toured here. They were the ultimate underground band. The fact that Ian Curtis would eventually be portrayed in two movies would have been laughable at the time. I also heard Love Will Tear Us Apart in the grocery store recently, which I would have thought to be a prank, but I guess it's now Muzak.

Joy Division was never terribly popular, but the same kids in middle school and high school in the 80s who listened to Depeche Mode, the Church, and the Dead Milkmen were pushing Joy Division like it was their job.

/The were also pushing Rush, but I forgive them for that.
//Somewhat.
 
2020-10-30 4:34:02 PM  

luidprand: New Order was more pop punk, like the Ramones, but actually being able to play their instruments, like Love and Rockets, the Talking Heads, or the Police.


Simply Red the pop punk band
 
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