Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Vox)   The Covid-19 tipping point is nigh   (vox.com) divider line
    More: Scary  
•       •       •

5034 clicks; posted to Main » on 29 Oct 2020 at 7:05 AM (3 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



47 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2020-10-28 10:04:54 PM  
Perfect example of burying the lede. I know it is the stated point of the article, but that was a lot of preamble before the following paragraph.

"He and his co-authors chose to use the week of March 29 as the reference point for how mortality changed over time, because it was the peak of hospital admissions in the UK. But if they'd gone back to the first two weeks of March instead, pre-surge in the UK, the study would have found no improvement in mortality."

Mortality of Covid has only decreased if you measure it from when the hospitals were overwhelmed with patients.
If you measure it from before they were overwhelmed, then mortality has not decreased.

I hope there isn't any increase in cases. I would hate to see hospitals reach capacity, or exceed it.
 
2020-10-29 7:07:51 AM  
Fark user imageView Full Size


I KNEW IT!

Never trust a man in a bowtie.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2020-10-29 7:12:38 AM  
In another case massive irony, the doctors that all the Trump hayseeds hate are the reason that mortality rate is down.  Doctors are learning how to better treat it every day.

But, as others on this thread mentioned, the damn rate is just going to go back up if all the hospitals fill up.
 
2020-10-29 7:13:56 AM  
Gonna finally flip over to Covid-20?  About time.
 
2020-10-29 7:18:46 AM  
"We have twelve chickens"
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-29 7:20:09 AM  
I've been assured we're just about to turn the corner, and that it will go away on its own.

\and around 40% of Americans believe that.
 
2020-10-29 7:20:23 AM  
Anti-maskers:
media1.tenor.comView Full Size
 
2020-10-29 7:22:59 AM  

FleshMonkey: Perfect example of burying the lede. I know it is the stated point of the article, but that was a lot of preamble before the following paragraph.

"He and his co-authors chose to use the week of March 29 as the reference point for how mortality changed over time, because it was the peak of hospital admissions in the UK. But if they'd gone back to the first two weeks of March instead, pre-surge in the UK, the study would have found no improvement in mortality."

Mortality of Covid has only decreased if you measure it from when the hospitals were overwhelmed with patients.
If you measure it from before they were overwhelmed, then mortality has not decreased.

I hope there isn't any increase in cases. I would hate to see hospitals reach capacity, or exceed it.


So what's your point? That you can be an idiot as long as enough other people are smart that it lets you get exceptional career? That's the whole point of the article you absolute turnip. As soon as enough people are being idiots the entire capability to treat people goes out the window.
 
2020-10-29 7:28:04 AM  
media.makeameme.orgView Full Size
 
2020-10-29 7:28:47 AM  
What the hell is with this caption?  Are they just trying to make a point?

(emphasis mine)

cdn.vox-cdn.comView Full Size

A pharmacy employee wearing a protective mask shows a box of Dectancyl (dexamethasone) on June 18, 2020, in Paris, France.
Chesnot/Getty Images
 
2020-10-29 7:29:05 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Gonna finally flip over to Covid-20?  About time.


I hate that 19 is getting all the credit.
 
2020-10-29 7:34:09 AM  

Dr.Fey: What the hell is with this caption?  Are they just trying to make a point?

(emphasis mine)

[cdn.vox-cdn.com image 850x566]
A pharmacy employee wearing a protective mask shows a box of Dectancyl (dexamethasone) on June 18, 2020, in Paris, France.
Chesnot/Getty Images


Could be that this is a cropped version of the original photo, which may have included ed a fuzzy imagee of a person wearing a mask.

And - please everyone, dont stop with the masking and distancing, even for a moment.
Act as if you could catch the virus at any time.
 
2020-10-29 7:36:39 AM  

Por que tan serioso: Harry Freakstorm: Gonna finally flip over to Covid-20?  About time.

I hate that 19 is getting all the credit.


🎶Hey Nineteen🎵
 
2020-10-29 7:38:01 AM  
Damnit!
 
2020-10-29 7:41:05 AM  
I told you all months and months ago that a new detected case rate of 1/1400  per capita day was where hospitals get overwhelmed.  At the time, I stopped the color scale at 1/1000  .  At that rate it takes 2 months under total lockdown to drop an order of magnitude. We have no total lockdowns going, and I'm going to have to readjust the scale again next week.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-29 7:44:26 AM  

Animatronik: Could be that this is a cropped version of the original photo, which may have included ed a fuzzy imagee of a person wearing a mask.


Maybe.

media.gettyimages.comView Full Size

A pharmacy customer with erect nipples and no bra shops for Dectancyl (dexamethasone) on June 18, 2020, in Paris, France.
Chesnot/Getty Images
 
2020-10-29 7:57:57 AM  

Leader O'Cola: I told you all months and months ago that a new detected case rate of 1/1400  per capita day was where hospitals get overwhelmed.  At the time, I stopped the color scale at 1/1000  .  At that rate it takes 2 months under total lockdown to drop an order of magnitude. We have no total lockdowns going, and I'm going to have to readjust the scale again next week.

[Fark user image 425x318] [View Full Size image _x_]


thats a really good image. did you make it?
 
2020-10-29 7:58:31 AM  

Leader O'Cola: I told you all months and months ago that a new detected case rate of 1/1400  per capita day was where hospitals get overwhelmed.  At the time, I stopped the color scale at 1/1000  .  At that rate it takes 2 months under total lockdown to drop an order of magnitude. We have no total lockdowns going, and I'm going to have to readjust the scale again next week.

[Fark user image image 425x318]


I notice that my home state, NY, used to show up as deep red in the early stages of the pandemic but now only appears as orange during that period, because the Dakotas have reset the scale.
 
2020-10-29 7:58:49 AM  
i didnt really get that as the take away from the article. my impression was how it talked about how the medical establishment has gotten better at fighting it and why the mortality has dropped like a stone over the course of the year.
 
2020-10-29 8:03:59 AM  

Father_Jack: Leader O'Cola: I told you all months and months ago that a new detected case rate of 1/1400  per capita day was where hospitals get overwhelmed.  At the time, I stopped the color scale at 1/1000  .  At that rate it takes 2 months under total lockdown to drop an order of magnitude. We have no total lockdowns going, and I'm going to have to readjust the scale again next week.

[Fark user image 425x318] [View Full Size image _x_]

thats a really good image. did you make it?


Thanks, yes
 
2020-10-29 8:04:55 AM  

Algebrat: Leader O'Cola: I told you all months and months ago that a new detected case rate of 1/1400  per capita day was where hospitals get overwhelmed.  At the time, I stopped the color scale at 1/1000  .  At that rate it takes 2 months under total lockdown to drop an order of magnitude. We have no total lockdowns going, and I'm going to have to readjust the scale again next week.

[Fark user image image 425x318]

I notice that my home state, NY, used to show up as deep red in the early stages of the pandemic but now only appears as orange during that period, because the Dakotas have reset the scale.


Correct.  (Sadly, but not surprisingly)
 
2020-10-29 8:06:55 AM  
Oh please could you please stop being so blatantly fear mongering before the election Vox, you guys in the leftard media used to be at least a little sneakier. Trump still going to win.
 
2020-10-29 8:08:21 AM  

Father_Jack: i didnt really get that as the take away from the article. my impression was how it talked about how the medical establishment has gotten better at fighting it and why the mortality has dropped like a stone over the course of the year.


Theyve gotten better at treating it in patients when they have the resources to do so. When there are more patients than beds, when doctors and nurses are missing shifts due to being sick, all that advancement goes out the window .  If you have the best new video card in history, you can't play  a game if your PC has no power supply.
 
2020-10-29 8:15:47 AM  

abiigdog: Oh please could you please stop being so blatantly fear mongering before the election Vox, you guys in the leftard media used to be at least a little sneakier. Trump still going to win.


Now in meme format:
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-29 8:18:07 AM  

Leader O'Cola: Father_Jack: i didnt really get that as the take away from the article. my impression was how it talked about how the medical establishment has gotten better at fighting it and why the mortality has dropped like a stone over the course of the year.

Theyve gotten better at treating it in patients when they have the resources to do so. When there are more patients than beds, when doctors and nurses are missing shifts due to being sick, all that advancement goes out the window .  If you have the best new video card in history, you can't play  a game if your PC has no power supply.


good gamer metaphor.
 
2020-10-29 8:23:47 AM  
My frail 89 year old mother tested positive. The hospital is sending her home because she isn't having respiratory distress. They don't have capacity to keep an old under observation. She's going to an assisted living place with an outbreak and overwhelmed staff.
 
2020-10-29 8:29:23 AM  
The Roots - Star / Pointro
Youtube 83ZMUMOIlmg
 
2020-10-29 9:14:46 AM  

jaytkay: My frail 89 year old mother tested positive. The hospital is sending her home because she isn't having respiratory distress. They don't have capacity to keep an old under observation. She's going to an assisted living place with an outbreak and overwhelmed staff.


got a spare bed?
 
2020-10-29 9:15:56 AM  
Gee, it's almost as if all of the following have been true all along:

1) "Flattening the curve" was never going to mean a reduction in infections; it simply meant a shift in the timing of infections.

2) Masks and social distancing are not a vaccine.

3) Nature is far more powerful than humans, and we're largely powerless over it. Controlling humans is NOT the same as controlling a virus.

4) All pandemics have a natural course and evolution before fading due to mutation or lack of viable hosts.
 
2020-10-29 9:18:51 AM  
Embrace death.
 
2020-10-29 9:23:52 AM  

gretzkyscores: Gee, it's almost as if all of the following have been true all along:

1) "Flattening the curve" was never going to mean a reduction in infections; it simply meant a shift in the timing of infections.

2) Masks and social distancing are not a vaccine.

3) Nature is far more powerful than humans, and we're largely powerless over it. Controlling humans is NOT the same as controlling a virus.

4) All pandemics have a natural course and evolution before fading due to mutation or lack of viable hosts.


media1.tenor.comView Full Size
 
2020-10-29 9:49:43 AM  

dogsafark: jaytkay: My frail 89 year old mother tested positive. The hospital is sending her home because she isn't having respiratory distress. They don't have capacity to keep an old under observation. She's going to an assisted living place with an outbreak and overwhelmed staff.

got a spare bed?


We are considering all alternatives. We have other high-risk people in the family so it's a juggle.
 
2020-10-29 9:50:10 AM  

jaytkay: My frail 89 year old mother tested positive. The hospital is sending her home because she isn't having respiratory distress. They don't have capacity to keep an old under observation. She's going to an assisted living place with an outbreak and overwhelmed staff.


get her papers and affairs in order, make sure you know where everything is, you have her bank statements, login credentials etc.

probably a good thing to do w an 89yr old mom anyway. hey i did same and mines only 76
 
2020-10-29 9:51:16 AM  

gretzkyscores: 1) "Flattening the curve" was never going to mean a reduction in infections; it simply meant a shift in the timing of infections.


They were pretty open on that being the whole point.

Just like the dumbass at the beginning who thinks the comment "the mortality rate is much lower if the hospitals aren't overwhelmed" was some sort of profound statement instead of something painfully obvious to anyone who gets their information from somewhere else besides Twitter and Facebook.
 
2020-10-29 9:58:43 AM  

gretzkyscores: Gee, it's almost as if all of the following have been true all along:

1) "Flattening the curve" was never going to mean a reduction in infections; it simply meant a shift in the timing of infections.

2) Masks and social distancing are not a vaccine.

3) Nature is far more powerful than humans, and we're largely powerless over it. Controlling humans is NOT the same as controlling a virus.

4) All pandemics have a natural course and evolution before fading due to mutation or lack of viable hosts.


Are you stupid on purpose?
 
2020-10-29 10:00:39 AM  

darkmythology: FleshMonkey: Perfect example of burying the lede. I know it is the stated point of the article, but that was a lot of preamble before the following paragraph.


...
Mortality of Covid has only decreased if you measure it from when the hospitals were overwhelmed with patients.
...

So what's your point? That you can be an idiot as long as enough other people are smart that it lets you get exceptional career? That's the whole point of the article you absolute turnip. As soon as enough people are being idiots the entire capability to treat people goes out the window.


I made my point.
I didn't even bury it.
It was my first statement after the quote.

The article spent most of its time speculating on the cause of the mortality rate drop. Then it reveals at the end that there wasn't one.

The perceived drop in mortality rates is an artifact of the measuring process.

That is the buried lede, you absolute potato.
 
2020-10-29 10:03:55 AM  

Father_Jack: i didnt really get that as the take away from the article. my impression was how it talked about how the medical establishment has gotten better at fighting it and why the mortality has dropped like a stone over the course of the year.


Mortality hasn't really dropped in symptomatic patients. What is happening is that we are testing more healthy, younger people which lowers the overall mortality.  Symptomatic patients are still farked. Our local FOP head just died at 40 years old.

Our treatment regimes haven't changed that much outside of the backing off of HCQ and plasma which has shown no positive effects. High flow nasal O2 has helped keep people off vents though.
 
2020-10-29 10:13:04 AM  

Mrtraveler01: gretzkyscores: 1) "Flattening the curve" was never going to mean a reduction in infections; it simply meant a shift in the timing of infections.

They were pretty open on that being the whole point.

Just like the dumbass at the beginning who thinks the comment "the mortality rate is much lower if the hospitals aren't overwhelmed" was some sort of profound statement instead of something painfully obvious to anyone who gets their information from somewhere else besides Twitter and Facebook.


The quote I used was about choosing reference point measurements that result in a perceived downward trend.

Use different reference points and there is no downward trend.

Lots of people in this thread believe that we have gotten better at treating it, but we are comparing death rates at above threshold with death rates at below threshold. A classic apples and oranges comparison. We have no evidence that the death rate has dropped because the measurements have been poor quality.

And flattening the curve was about reduction in total quantity at any given time so hospitals are not overwhelmed, the implication was that the virus would still percolate do we were never preventing the disease spread, just shifting the timings, you absolute dipshiat.
 
2020-10-29 10:46:07 AM  

FleshMonkey: Mrtraveler01: gretzkyscores: 1) "Flattening the curve" was never going to mean a reduction in infections; it simply meant a shift in the timing of infections.

They were pretty open on that being the whole point.

Just like the dumbass at the beginning who thinks the comment "the mortality rate is much lower if the hospitals aren't overwhelmed" was some sort of profound statement instead of something painfully obvious to anyone who gets their information from somewhere else besides Twitter and Facebook.

The quote I used was about choosing reference point measurements that result in a perceived downward trend.

Use different reference points and there is no downward trend.

Lots of people in this thread believe that we have gotten better at treating it, but we are comparing death rates at above threshold with death rates at below threshold. A classic apples and oranges comparison. We have no evidence that the death rate has dropped because the measurements have been poor quality.

And flattening the curve was about reduction in total quantity at any given time so hospitals are not overwhelmed, the implication was that the virus would still percolate do we were never preventing the disease spread, just shifting the timings, you absolute dipshiat.


I apologize. I misinterpreted what you said.

I guess dealing with Trumpers downplaying the severity of this virus makes me trigger happy.
 
2020-10-29 10:54:22 AM  

Leader O'Cola: I told you all months and months ago that a new detected case rate of 1/1400  per capita day was where hospitals get overwhelmed.  At the time, I stopped the color scale at 1/1000  .  At that rate it takes 2 months under total lockdown to drop an order of magnitude. We have no total lockdowns going, and I'm going to have to readjust the scale again next week.

[Fark user image image 425x318]


Jokes on you I forget everything in a week. Months might as well be years ago at this pace.
 
2020-10-29 10:55:51 AM  

Mrtraveler01: "the mortality rate is much lower if the hospitals aren't overwhelmed"


Most likely true. However, there was never a guarantee that we could indefinitely stretch out the timing and keep infections below the "overwhelmed" level.

We hoped that we could, but nature is ultimately in control.
 
2020-10-29 10:58:02 AM  
Fark user imageView Full Size


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-10-29 11:15:47 AM  

gretzkyscores: Mrtraveler01: "the mortality rate is much lower if the hospitals aren't overwhelmed"

Most likely true. However, there was never a guarantee that we could indefinitely stretch out the timing and keep infections below the "overwhelmed" level.

We hoped that we could, but nature is ultimately in control.


If you count people that are pig ignorant as the nature, otherwise we could continue to control it.  The nature of the human race is the failure.
 
2020-10-29 11:16:50 AM  
1. Boot Trump out
2. Nationwide Lockdown

Fight me.
 
2020-10-29 12:03:30 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I've been assured we're just about to turn the corner, and that it will go away on its own.

\and around 40% of Americans believe that.


I would give that percentage a bump personally. Talking with people they are just usually willfully ignorant but some are just dumb. Knowing I have had medical training one Trumper I know shot at me that if this was a real virus why hasn't it mutated like the flu? Also the ever popular anti mask drivel.
When I tried explaining that:
a) We dont know that it hasn't. Its not like they do genetic testing on every sample that's taken and while it still shows up as covid it could have mutations that haven't been fully discovered / explored yet.
b) The cloth masks you are being asked to wear do not stop a virus. You are being asked to distance and wear a mask to prevent contaminated water droplets/vapor from infecting others. If you want a mask to protect you go to the surplus store and buy a military grade gas mask that has nuclear/biological grade filters that seals around your entire face.
You can literally see their eyes glaze over.
 
2020-10-29 12:14:17 PM  

Father_Jack: get her papers and affairs in order, make sure you know where everything is, you have her bank statements, login credentials etc.

probably a good thing to do w an 89yr old mom anyway. hey i did same and mines only 76


We're set there, thanks. We have power of attorney; assets are in a trust. We took responsibility for her finances a few years ago.
 
2020-10-29 12:39:58 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: gretzkyscores: Gee, it's almost as if all of the following have been true all along:

1) "Flattening the curve" was never going to mean a reduction in infections; it simply meant a shift in the timing of infections.

2) Masks and social distancing are not a vaccine.

3) Nature is far more powerful than humans, and we're largely powerless over it. Controlling humans is NOT the same as controlling a virus.

4) All pandemics have a natural course and evolution before fading due to mutation or lack of viable hosts.

Are you stupid on purpose?


To be fair only one of those is patently false. the others have varying degrees of truth in them.
 
Displayed 47 of 47 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking





On Twitter



  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.