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2020-10-28 9:01:20 PM  
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2020-10-29 6:22:53 AM  
Ah Ha! Proof of voter fraud in Florida.
All ballots are invalid. Trump wins.
 
2020-10-29 6:32:28 AM  
It's so easy, even a Florida-man can do it.
 
2020-10-29 6:50:49 AM  
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Every time I see Desatanist, I can't help hearing this.
 
2020-10-29 7:20:20 AM  
I shouldn't approve of this, but anything that makes Desantis' life harder is okay by me.
 
2020-10-29 7:22:04 AM  
This election is going to be so farked history book publishers are going to have to through a special process of actually printing human feces on the pages where they mention the 2020 election.

/just to get the smell right
 
2020-10-29 7:25:37 AM  
The system used on the election website requires more private information than a birthdate, the AP notes, such as a driver's license number, the date it was issued and the last four digits of a Social Security number. According to the AP, court records do not indicate if Guevara had this information when changing the governor's address.

The birthdate is on Wikipedia (assuming it's accurate). The DL number can be determined if a state is using a predictable system to generate them, which Florida is (http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/n​um​bers/dl_us_shared.html).  The date of issue is probably just the birthday in a recent year.  After that, the SS# can be guessed, if it's not also available somewhere.
 
2020-10-29 7:26:21 AM  
Well, it's not like he disenfranchised thousands of people off the roles.

Bailiff, Whack his pee pee.
 
2020-10-29 7:27:18 AM  
Officials say after DeSantis contacted the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, it was discovered that 20-year-old Anthony Guevara of Naples had changed the governor's address, apparently using his birthdate found on his Wikipedia page.

Uh... with just his birthdate? That doesn't sound very secure. But it is Florida we're talking about...

The system used on the election website requires more private information than a birthdate, the AP notes, such as a driver's license number, the date it was issued and the last four digits of a Social Security number. According to the AP, court records do not indicate if Guevara had this information when changing the governor's address.

So how did this superhacker change his address? Since it's Florida I'm just going to assume the election website was set up by politically connected contractors with no experience building that sort of thing and it has glaring security holes.
 
2020-10-29 7:35:55 AM  
I'm glad my gov is ron destupido.
If he were smarter he'd be cleaning out the treasury like his buddy Rick scott.
 
2020-10-29 7:37:59 AM  
And now he has to go live in the hole in the ground where Blockbuster used to be?   Luxury.  I used to live in hole in a hollow tree.  Those damn elves making cookies all day and all night.  Complain to the the landlord and your noggin' gets a beating cause the landlord was a wood pecker.  Ha-a-haha.  Ha-a-haha.  Hahahahahahaha
 
2020-10-29 7:38:51 AM  
The current condition of America is that the dumbest state has to be courted like they are the prom queen to elect the person who will be the president. This is not a sign of a fictional democracy.

/drink Brawndo
 
2020-10-29 7:40:09 AM  
The problem with this story simply existing is that it now serves as a template for messing w/ FL election, and there is no reason to think that the FL GOP would improve security to prevent this from happening to a lot of other voters, situation going to SCOTUS, which then anoints Trump w/ FL electors. Why couldn't the press release on this wait until after the election?
 
2020-10-29 7:40:38 AM  
What's awesome is Florida is piloting a digital driver license format...which considering Florida's response to challenges and technical issues is all shades of stupid. Apparently their dmv software is 20 years old, their unemployment site already displayed their willing ineptitude to grift or save-and some 20 year old with minimal effort was able to fark with the Governor's ability to cast a vote. So yeah, this is probably ok with the GOP. Sorry Orlando, all your blue votes aren't eligible since your address was changed to Key West.
 
2020-10-29 7:42:34 AM  
Interesting how issues with voting addresses can be promptly resolved when it happens to someone with power.

🤔
 
2020-10-29 7:44:34 AM  
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2020-10-29 7:49:56 AM  

AnEasyTarget: Ah Ha! Proof of voter fraud in Florida.
All ballots are invalid. Trump wins.


Snark aside, he's probably going to win it anyway.

In 2016, Fivethirtyeight.com had Hillary Clinton ahead in Florida by 55.1% to 44.9% of the surveyed voters:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/​2​016-election-forecast/florida/

In reality, Trump won Florida 49.02% to Clinton's 47.82%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Un​i​ted_States_presidential_election_in_Fl​orida

Right now, Fivethirtyeight.com has Joe Biden ahead in Florida with 48.9% vs. Trump's 46.9%.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/​p​olls/president-general/florida/

So I think that based on the past performance of the polling, and the fact that Republican and Independent voters are twice as likely to mislead pollsters about their preferences*, that Trump is going to win Florida by an even bigger margin than he won it in 2016.


And yeah, this sort of thing (changing the address of a registered voter) could be used to suppress votes in very close districts, by changing the addresses of voters so that they are no longer in the district.   They can cast provisional ballots, probably, but how many would bother?  And would it change their vote if they did?  Would they be counted if it's not all that close?


*The reasons give are generally a fear that their results will be made public, a valid concern in this era of "hackivists" and "mostly peaceful" political riots.
 
2020-10-29 7:50:33 AM  

hissatsu: Officials say after DeSantis contacted the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, it was discovered that 20-year-old Anthony Guevara of Naples had changed the governor's address, apparently using his birthdate found on his Wikipedia page.

Uh... with just his birthdate? That doesn't sound very secure. But it is Florida we're talking about...

The system used on the election website requires more private information than a birthdate, the AP notes, such as a driver's license number, the date it was issued and the last four digits of a Social Security number. According to the AP, court records do not indicate if Guevara had this information when changing the governor's address.

So how did this superhacker change his address? Since it's Florida I'm just going to assume the election website was set up by politically connected contractors with no experience building that sort of thing and it has glaring security holes.


If I had to guess, the system only validates DOB, and just assumes people will put in their DL and SSN correctly. Sounds like a super lazy way of making a system...
 
2020-10-29 7:52:03 AM  
Insert the teaser scene from Baby 5's "Severed Dreams", where, as he is ready to enter the station from a shuttle trip, Londo is delayed by the Narn security guard.
 
2020-10-29 7:53:37 AM  

AnEasyTarget: Ah Ha! Proof of voter fraud in Florida.
All ballots are invalid. Trump wins.


At this point its best to cancel the election and let the Supreme Court decide. The voter fraud is to rampant for a fair election.
 
2020-10-29 7:58:23 AM  

dittybopper: AnEasyTarget: Ah Ha! Proof of voter fraud in Florida.
All ballots are invalid. Trump wins.

Snark aside, he's probably going to win it anyway.

In 2016, Fivethirtyeight.com had Hillary Clinton ahead in Florida by 55.1% to 44.9% of the surveyed voters:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2​016-election-forecast/florida/

In reality, Trump won Florida 49.02% to Clinton's 47.82%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Uni​ted_States_presidential_election_in_Fl​orida

Right now, Fivethirtyeight.com has Joe Biden ahead in Florida with 48.9% vs. Trump's 46.9%.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/p​olls/president-general/florida/

So I think that based on the past performance of the polling, and the fact that Republican and Independent voters are twice as likely to mislead pollsters about their preferences*, that Trump is going to win Florida by an even bigger margin than he won it in 2016.


And yeah, this sort of thing (changing the address of a registered voter) could be used to suppress votes in very close districts, by changing the addresses of voters so that they are no longer in the district.   They can cast provisional ballots, probably, but how many would bother?  And would it change their vote if they did?  Would they be counted if it's not all that close?


*The reasons give are generally a fear that their results will be made public, a valid concern in this era of "hackivists" and "mostly peaceful" political riots.


You can't read.

They said she had a 55% chance of winning based on their simulations.

The vote share they predicted she'd get was 48.1% clinton, 47.5% trump.

Which, I suppose if you assume nothing at all has changed in polling methodology or interpretation, means Trump wins.

But they sure as shiat weren't saying she was polling at 55%.
 
2020-10-29 8:03:19 AM  
Furthermore, you're comparing their final calculation to the polling--those are different.

Their final polling average had Hillary only up by 0.5%. They are currently not yet making a prediction on what the final vote tally is.

You gotta actually read the things you're citing, rooftopbopper.
 
2020-10-29 8:06:58 AM  
I'm not in favor of voter fraud, even when it's as funny as this, but perhaps this is karma of some kind.
 
2020-10-29 8:09:49 AM  

Felgraf: You can't read. They said she had a 55% chance of winning based on their simulations.


In his defense, the whole point of 538 is POLL AVERAGING. You can't trust one poll, because of reasons. But you should get a more accurate view if you average a lot of polls together.

How exactly did that more accurate part work out?
 
2020-10-29 8:09:57 AM  

HomoHabilis: [Fark user image 640x360]
Every time I see Desatanist, I can't help hearing this.


We need to do way instain guvnah!
 
2020-10-29 8:13:40 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: This election is going to be so farked history book publishers are going to have to through a special process of actually printing human feces on the pages where they mention the 2020 election.

/just to get the smell right


Like how they all focus on the turmoil and chaos after President Garfield was assassinated?
 
2020-10-29 8:14:14 AM  

saberXray: hissatsu: Officials say after DeSantis contacted the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, it was discovered that 20-year-old Anthony Guevara of Naples had changed the governor's address, apparently using his birthdate found on his Wikipedia page.

Uh... with just his birthdate? That doesn't sound very secure. But it is Florida we're talking about...

The system used on the election website requires more private information than a birthdate, the AP notes, such as a driver's license number, the date it was issued and the last four digits of a Social Security number. According to the AP, court records do not indicate if Guevara had this information when changing the governor's address.

So how did this superhacker change his address? Since it's Florida I'm just going to assume the election website was set up by politically connected contractors with no experience building that sort of thing and it has glaring security holes.

If I had to guess, the system only validates DOB, and just assumes people will put in their DL and SSN correctly. Sounds like a super lazy way of making a system...


So here is a fun scenario. How many voters do you think have changed how they voted between 2016 and 2020?  If you think there are people who voted for Hillary who will vote for Trump now, that would be amusing. Trump is going to get pummeled this year. What ratio do you think of voter retention Trump is going to see? There are lots of GOP/Republicans that are pissed at how Trump has failed. Even if you said one in a hundred switch their vote-that's close to 50,000 votes away. Not that many, eh? Rick Scott beat Bill Nelson by about 10,000 votes in 2018 for Florida Senate.

I'm betting that number of Trump voters that he has turned off or don't see Biden like they saw Hillary is no fewer than 5%, probably closer to 10%.  Biden is going to take Florida by a solid 2-4%.  I live in one of the reddest counties and I didn't see but maybe a handful of Clinton signs. The Biden signs and representation is definitely better.  Florida was Trump's to lose, and he failed pretty damn hard. The fact that Georgia and Texas are even within margins should tell you that Trump, as an incumbent, is in trouble.
 
2020-10-29 8:27:05 AM  
Guevara has been charged with two third-degree felonies: accessing a computer without authorization and illegally altering voting records. He faces up to five years in prison and is currently in custody while he awaits a court hearing.

Strange way to phrase that. I assume the actual crime is that he accessed a record on a server through fraudulent access?
 
2020-10-29 8:28:14 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: This election is going to be so farked history book publishers are going to have to through a special process of actually printing human feces on the pages where they mention the 2020 election.

/just to get the smell right


Come on! Who out there doesn't use the scratch & sniff method of their bunghole when it itches!

/I grossed myself out typing that
//scratch, sniff
///profit?
 
2020-10-29 8:33:43 AM  

transporter_ii: Felgraf: You can't read. They said she had a 55% chance of winning based on their simulations.

In his defense, the whole point of 538 is POLL AVERAGING. You can't trust one poll, because of reasons. But you should get a more accurate view if you average a lot of polls together.

How exactly did that more accurate part work out?


55% wasn't the poll average either, though. The poll average had her ahead, yes.... By 0.5%.

Meaning they were off by about 1%.
 
2020-10-29 8:44:01 AM  
Very funny! But, you're not helping.
 
2020-10-29 9:17:04 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: This election is going to be so farked history book publishers are going to have to through a special process of actually printing human feces on the pages where they mention the 2020 election. /just to get the smell right



Future history majors will be like...
"Oh, my area of expertise is the year 2020."
"Nice, me too. Which month?"
 
2020-10-29 9:28:05 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: I shouldn't approve of this, but anything that makes Desantis' life harder is okay by me.


No, even if he's someone we don't agree with. He has a right to vote unimpeded. Everyone does and it'd be hypocritical for us to smirk at this
 
2020-10-29 9:47:17 AM  

dittybopper: So I think that based on the past performance of the polling


How on earth could a glaring mistake and a 4-year gap have been enough time for methodologies to be tweaked and sharpened?

Nah, I'm sure they just did the same exact thing.

You need a check-up from the neck up.
 
2020-10-29 9:48:59 AM  

doceajensen: there is no reason to think that the FL GOP would improve security to prevent this from happening to a lot of other Republicanvoters while doing the same thing to Democrats.


FTFThe realities of how scummy Trumpers and Republicans are.
 
2020-10-29 10:49:53 AM  
Florida Secretary of State Laurel Lee reassured voters that election computer systems are safe and voters should have "confidence in the integrity."

In the statement, Lee said, "This incident was perpetrated using publicly accessible voter data, and there is no evidence to suggest that this change was made through the Florida Department of State."


It takes a Republican to make a prepared statement and then contradict themselves within the same statement.
 
2020-10-29 11:46:51 AM  

Aar1012: pastramithemosterotic: I shouldn't approve of this, but anything that makes Desantis' life harder is okay by me.

No, even if he's someone we don't agree with. He has a right to vote unimpeded. Everyone does and it'd be hypocritical for us to smirk at this


I'm tired of us Dems trying to be the bigger person. The GOP is doing everything they can to suppress votes by the thousands. fark 'em
 
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