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2020-10-28 8:57:16 PM  
David Sedaris reads 6 To 8 Black Men
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2020-10-28 9:12:57 PM  
CSB: I lived in the Netherlands for a while.  Had no idea about it when I went.  Seeing white people dressed as Zwarte Pete, in full black face, was one of the biggest culture shocks I've experienced.  More so than going to the third world.  It's just so weird.  It's like going to another country and having a racial epithet be a common name.
 
2020-10-28 10:05:53 PM  

ShavedOrangutan: CSB: I lived in the Netherlands for a while.  Had no idea about it when I went.  Seeing white people dressed as Zwarte Pete, in full black face, was one of the biggest culture shocks I've experienced.  More so than going to the third world.  It's just so weird.  It's like going to another country and having a racial epithet be a common name.


I have a Farky girlfriend who is from Chicago, who moved to the Netherlands, still lives there. She couldn't believe that it still goes on, it's recockulous in this day and age. But then again, all I have to do is look around these here you-nited states of racism and realize it's 2020.
 
2020-10-28 10:32:09 PM  

darkhorse23: ShavedOrangutan: CSB: I lived in the Netherlands for a while.  Had no idea about it when I went.  Seeing white people dressed as Zwarte Pete, in full black face, was one of the biggest culture shocks I've experienced.  More so than going to the third world.  It's just so weird.  It's like going to another country and having a racial epithet be a common name.

I have a Farky girlfriend who is from Chicago, who moved to the Netherlands, still lives there. She couldn't believe that it still goes on, it's recockulous in this day and age. But then again, all I have to do is look around these here you-nited states of racism and realize it's 2020.


When I was there (over a decade ago) the young people all understood what the problem was.  There was a big push to change it to "He's black because he's covered in soot from delivering packages".  No one really believed that.  For some reason it always reminded me of this scene from Deuce Bigalow 2

Deuce Bigalow European Gigolo
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2020-10-29 7:05:00 AM  
Most sensible people in The Netherlands realize it is a problem and has to go away.  The conservative right throws a hissy fit because 'tradition'.
 
2020-10-29 8:02:22 AM  

bikkurikun: Most sensible people in The Netherlands realize it is a problem and has to go away.  The conservative right throws a hissy fit because 'tradition'.


A couple years old, but a pretty good article about it
 
2020-10-29 8:22:57 AM  
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2020-10-29 8:23:48 AM  
That isn't a ban.
 
2020-10-29 8:24:32 AM  
I'm of Dutch heritage, and I can report that the majority of older Dutch people are fairly racist.  My Oma (grandmother) once expressed shock that a Black person was able to fix her car.
 
2020-10-29 8:24:35 AM  

NM Volunteer: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/hPfg20k5​TE8]


I love that bit.  It's one of his best.
 
2020-10-29 8:29:16 AM  
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2020-10-29 8:30:23 AM  
All else aside I'm totally cool with Krampus coming back
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/him and Santa deserves an episode on claymation deathmatch
 
2020-10-29 8:30:28 AM  
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2020-10-29 8:31:58 AM  
The new policy will take effect "sometime in the coming weeks". It means that Google will block ads on YouTube videos featuring Zwarte Piet, Chimney Piet or Piet in any of its forms.

Sounds like the Zwarte Piet YouTube video industry will doubtlessly lose tens of dollars in revenue.
 
2020-10-29 8:32:13 AM  

oxnard_montalvo: [Fark user image image 400x211]


It's your heritage, amirite?
*wink* *wink*
 
2020-10-29 8:32:22 AM  

GooberMcFly: I'm of Dutch heritage, and I can report that the majority of older Dutch people are fairly racist.  My Oma (grandmother) once expressed shock that a Black person was able to fix her car.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRcUa​p​Zm4K4
 
2020-10-29 8:33:24 AM  
Are they deleting links to Papa Lazarou?
 
2020-10-29 8:33:34 AM  

GooberMcFly: I'm of Dutch heritage, and I can report that the majority of older Dutch people are fairly racist.  My Oma (grandmother) once expressed shock that a Black person was able to fix her car.


My Grandmother Was Dutch
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2020-10-29 8:35:54 AM  
I have no clue what or who Zwarte Pete is.  I guess I have to goog


crap
 
2020-10-29 8:37:39 AM  

ShavedOrangutan: CSB: I lived in the Netherlands for a while.  Had no idea about it when I went.  Seeing white people dressed as Zwarte Pete, in full black face, was one of the biggest culture shocks I've experienced.  More so than going to the third world.  It's just so weird.  It's like going to another country and having a racial epithet be a common name.


So my son went to a Vanguard (magnet school) in a very Hispanic part of Houston. His 2nd grade teacher assigned everyone a country to research and report on their Christmas traditions. Naturally, being the only white kid in the class, he somehow ended up with the Netherlands.

I don't think his teacher was trolling him, she just sucked at giving out assignments. Being hispanic herself she didn't know much black history. She basically just got a list of famous black people and handed them out. She gave my son Eldritch Cleaver. Despite writing soul on fire the guy was batshiat crazy (also a confirmed rapist, maker of "cleaver pants" and eventual crack addict republican candidate. Ended up having him write about the black panthers as a whole as I really didn't want him reading about cleaver in any
 
2020-10-29 8:44:58 AM  

GooberMcFly: I'm of Dutch heritage, and I can report that the majority of older Dutch people are fairly racist.  My Oma (grandmother) once expressed shock that a Black person was able to fix her car.


You think he can use a term like "cancer Moroccan"-- and you're not a racist?
 
2020-10-29 8:47:40 AM  
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RIP Admiral Piett
 
2020-10-29 8:49:54 AM  

The_Homeless_Guy: ShavedOrangutan: CSB: I lived in the Netherlands for a while.  Had no idea about it when I went.  Seeing white people dressed as Zwarte Pete, in full black face, was one of the biggest culture shocks I've experienced.  More so than going to the third world.  It's just so weird.  It's like going to another country and having a racial epithet be a common name.

So my son went to a Vanguard (magnet school) in a very Hispanic part of Houston. His 2nd grade teacher assigned everyone a country to research and report on their Christmas traditions. Naturally, being the only white kid in the class, he somehow ended up with the Netherlands.

I don't think his teacher was trolling him, she just sucked at giving out assignments. Being hispanic herself she didn't know much black history. She basically just got a list of famous black people and handed them out. She gave my son Eldritch Cleaver. Despite writing soul on fire the guy was batshiat crazy (also a confirmed rapist, maker of "cleaver pants" and eventual crack addict republican candidate. Ended up having him write about the black panthers as a whole as I really didn't want him reading about cleaver in any


Cleaver pants? It's been done.
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2020-10-29 9:00:06 AM  
I'm not comfortable with this.  It's something that IS occurring, and it should be OK to talk about it.
 
2020-10-29 9:08:34 AM  
It's just not Christmas if I can't put on a blackface minstrel show.  Baby Jesus must be rolling in his grave!
 
2020-10-29 9:08:47 AM  
So I read the wiki page and I am even more confused now...
 
2020-10-29 9:13:56 AM  

fireclown: I'm not comfortable with this.  It's something that IS occurring, and it should be OK to talk about it.


FTA: It means that Google will block ads on YouTube videos featuring Zwarte Piet, Chimney Piet or Piet in any of its forms. The videos themselves won't be blocked, because Google "does not want to hinder the public debate". It will only be impossible to make money from these videos.


Talk about it all you like, google just isn't going to pay you for it.
 
2020-10-29 9:24:06 AM  
However, blacks can wear whiteface all day long and make fun of white culture .   And don't try to say it's not a thing because it is.   It's no less offensive than blackface.

And my family is black thanks, see my profile pic.  So I know what racism looks like.


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2020-10-29 9:24:27 AM  

smunns: However, blacks can wear whiteface all day long and make fun of white culture .   And don't try to say it's not a thing because it is.   It's no less offensive than blackface.

And my family is black thanks, see my profile pic.  So I know what racism looks like.


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2020-10-29 9:26:12 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: [Fark user image image 255x198]
RIP Admiral Piett


Is it too late to send a card?
 
2020-10-29 9:27:13 AM  

smunns: However, blacks can wear whiteface all day long and make fun of white culture .   And don't try to say it's not a thing because it is.   It's no less offensive than blackface.

And my family is black thanks, see my profile pic.  So I know what racism looks like.


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Please educate us on the history of white face, you sound very knowledgeable.
 
2020-10-29 9:34:42 AM  

smunns: However, blacks can wear whiteface all day long and make fun of white culture .   And don't try to say it's not a thing because it is.   It's no less offensive than blackface.

And my family is black thanks, see my profile pic.  So I know what racism looks like.


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That was Michael Jackson.  That was supposed to be a critique.
 
2020-10-29 9:37:13 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: fireclown: I'm not comfortable with this.  It's something that IS occurring, and it should be OK to talk about it.

FTA: It means that Google will block ads on YouTube videos featuring Zwarte Piet, Chimney Piet or Piet in any of its forms. The videos themselves won't be blocked, because Google "does not want to hinder the public debate". It will only be impossible to make money from these videos.


Talk about it all you like, google just isn't going to pay you for it.


Let me roll that around in my head a bit.  That's a lot less bad that what I was envisioning, but I'm still getting a reaction from my inner "free speech absolutist".
 
2020-10-29 9:37:22 AM  

Rapmaster2000: smunns: However, blacks can wear whiteface all day long and make fun of white culture .   And don't try to say it's not a thing because it is.   It's no less offensive than blackface.

And my family is black thanks, see my profile pic.  So I know what racism looks like.


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That was Michael Jackson.  That was supposed to be a critique.


I don't think so.  I clicked on his profile and he looks nothing like Michael Jackson.
 
2020-10-29 9:38:10 AM  
Europeans: Americans are so racist, we don't have that problem here!

Also Europeans: Dressing in blackface is TRADITION. (Also we like Black Americans but Africans... well...)
 
2020-10-29 9:43:18 AM  

smunns: However, blacks can wear whiteface all day long and make fun of white culture .   And don't try to say it's not a thing because it is.   It's no less offensive than blackface.

And my family is black thanks, see my profile pic.  So I know what racism looks like.


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Awwww, do you also have a "Black friend"?

And btw, nobody stopping you from wearing black-face. Go ahead, knock yourself out. You are dying to, just like you want to call people the n-word. GO AHEAD!
 
2020-10-29 9:43:23 AM  
Wait until QAnon finds out that Black Pete is also an exotic Musselman or that California was named after the heroine Califa (from the Calif).
 
2020-10-29 9:45:37 AM  
Luckily for those of us on the fence here in the Netherlands there are swastika flying guides on the 'tradition' side of the Zwarte Piet debate pointing in the only moral direction to go.

If that's too complicated:
step 1) Retire this racist trope as soon as possible, replace if needed with whatever (no, not yellowface you rascal!) 
step 2) stop teaching our kids that sitting on a bishop's lap gives them a gift they ask for.
 
2020-10-29 9:45:55 AM  
fireclown:

That's a lot less bad that what I was envisioning, but I'm still getting a reaction from my inner "free speech absolutist".

Did Google suddenly become a government agency? No? Then your inner "free speech absolutist" needs to STFU.
 
2020-10-29 9:47:42 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Rapmaster2000: smunns: However, blacks can wear whiteface all day long and make fun of white culture .   And don't try to say it's not a thing because it is.   It's no less offensive than blackface.

And my family is black thanks, see my profile pic.  So I know what racism looks like.


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That was Michael Jackson.  That was supposed to be a critique.

I don't think so.  I clicked on his profile and he looks nothing like Michael Jackson.


Which Michael Jackson?
 
2020-10-29 9:48:18 AM  

Bslim: fireclown:

That's a lot less bad that what I was envisioning, but I'm still getting a reaction from my inner "free speech absolutist".

Did Google suddenly become a government agency? No? Then your inner "free speech absolutist" needs to STFU.


Well, THAT seemed disproportionate.
 
2020-10-29 9:51:01 AM  
Never heard of Zwarte Piet before. Had to google him.
 
2020-10-29 9:56:15 AM  

fireclown: HotWingConspiracy: fireclown: I'm not comfortable with this.  It's something that IS occurring, and it should be OK to talk about it.

FTA: It means that Google will block ads on YouTube videos featuring Zwarte Piet, Chimney Piet or Piet in any of its forms. The videos themselves won't be blocked, because Google "does not want to hinder the public debate". It will only be impossible to make money from these videos.


Talk about it all you like, google just isn't going to pay you for it.

Let me roll that around in my head a bit.  That's a lot less bad that what I was envisioning, but I'm still getting a reaction from my inner "free speech absolutist".


It doesn't really look like a censorship issue to me. There's no component in the concept of free speech that says google needs to pay you for it.
 
2020-10-29 10:04:04 AM  

fireclown: Bslim: fireclown:

That's a lot less bad that what I was envisioning, but I'm still getting a reaction from my inner "free speech absolutist".

Did Google suddenly become a government agency? No? Then your inner "free speech absolutist" needs to STFU.

Well, THAT seemed disproportionate.


It happens though.  Like the other day in line at the grocery store a lady asked if she could cut in front of me.  I was in a hurry so I tried to politely let her know that I was going to keep my spot but when I opened my mouth it accidentally came out, "One more step and you're leaving here in a farking body bag you loathsome biatch."
 
2020-10-29 10:05:59 AM  

oxnard_montalvo: [Fark user image image 400x211]


So people should still be marrying 12-year-olds?
My point is times change otherwise times don't change, man.
 
2020-10-29 10:11:06 AM  

Bslim: fireclown:

That's a lot less bad that what I was envisioning, but I'm still getting a reaction from my inner "free speech absolutist".

Did Google suddenly become a government agency? No? Then your inner "free speech absolutist" needs to STFU.


LOL.
At this point, I suspect, Google is only a FEW years away from having it's own miliary.
 
2020-10-29 10:23:43 AM  

waxbeans: oxnard_montalvo: [Fark user image image 400x211]

So people should still be marrying 12-year-olds?
My point is times change otherwise times don't change, man.


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2020-10-29 10:30:54 AM  
Reading TFA it does not mention Google is still willing and able to take money from advertisers using the racist trope. I take it their commitment to equality and diversity ends at that end of the cash register?
 
2020-10-29 10:41:22 AM  
If only we all pull together and get history erased we wont have to repeat it.
 
2020-10-29 11:02:59 AM  

trappedspirit: If only we all pull together and get history erased we wont have to repeat it.


Just like nobody remembers slavery because we abolished it.
 
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