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2020-10-28 6:02:22 PM  
There's also the problem of the natural gas itself for the climate. Last year, natural gas was the number one contributor to the increase in U.S. carbon emissions.

Whelp, back to coal.
 
2020-10-28 6:26:17 PM  
And then there's the particulate matter, or the small pollution particles, that come from the stove flames and from the food that's getting cooked."

Now that's trolling.  Bravo *kisses fingertips*
 
2020-10-28 6:29:16 PM  
If you have a blue flame the worst byproducts are water and CO2. The same as your breath when you exhale.
 
2020-10-28 6:49:52 PM  

edmo: There's also the problem of the natural gas itself for the climate. Last year, natural gas was the number one contributor to the increase in U.S. carbon emissions.

Whelp, back to coal.


A way of making something small sound big.
 
2020-10-28 6:53:11 PM  
I had a gas leak once. For whatever reason, I failed to shut of the burner entirely, then left. When I came back, my home was full of that tell-tale sulphur smell. In retrospect, I should have called the fire department. Instead, I turned off the furnace, cut power to the water heater, threw open every window in the apartment (in December), then went to a nearby bar to wait for it all to dissipate. It was pretty stupid, but still not as stupid as this article.

Nineteen: You should do it once, but that's all.
 
2020-10-28 6:56:11 PM  
FTA: "As a Climate Person, I strongly believe we urgently need to electrify everything and ditch natural gas completely. "

Stopped reading there. Yes it was the first sentence.

Like 90% of NG is used by industry and for electric generation. If you get an electric stove... its just getting powered by NG someplace else most of the time, FAR less efficiently mind you as well.

Can these hippies ever stop and think long enough to focus on the big rocks?
 
2020-10-28 7:06:53 PM  
*Reads first sentence*

Holy shiat I farking hate people.
 
2020-10-28 7:10:59 PM  
Here's what I got out of that article - OOGA BOOGA!!!
 
2020-10-28 7:12:42 PM  
"Your gas stove is dangerous" = eep, explosion or fire risk!  I'd better click

*click*

"Your gas stove spews tiny invisible toxins while in use, we swear"

I want my two minutes back.
 
2020-10-28 7:14:09 PM  
electric stoves suck
 
2020-10-28 7:28:49 PM  
This is why I only cook roadkill over a tire fire on the back porch.
 
2020-10-28 7:32:12 PM  

Ecliptic: FTA: "As a Climate Person, I strongly believe we urgently need to electrify everything and ditch natural gas completely. "

Stopped reading there. Yes it was the first sentence.

Like 90% of NG is used by industry and for electric generation. If you get an electric stove... its just getting powered by NG someplace else most of the time, FAR less efficiently mind you as well.

Can these hippies ever stop and think long enough to focus on the big rocks?


NG burned in a power turbine is about 50% efficient. Plus a switchover to electric means less gas lines needing to be installed and fewer to maintain, both of which greatly decrease natural leakage. It would be better to let the power companies have it all since they are more concerned with making sure their delivery systems are up to snuff, as opposed to some cash-strapped city that can't decide on whether to fix their infrastructure or spend more money on their police force.
 
2020-10-28 7:52:38 PM  
I grew up with electric stoves. The first time I saw a gas stove was in "modern" Orange County, CA. It scared the hell out of me. sssssssPWAH! every time you wanted to boil an egg. But I was a grown up and I dealt with it.

This snowflake on the other hand reminds me that some people are so wimpy and sheltered that I am, in fact, a man's man. Yes. I can destroy hornet nests, and have on several occasions, using no special clothing or tools. Yes. I can swim and float for hours in surf. Yes. I can start a fire without a match. Yes. I can drive a stick. Yes. I can use a straight razor. For some reason, I have become special as all the octogenerians die off.

People who make appliances have to make them idiot proof because idiots and imbeciles somehow find a way to use them in creative ways and harm themselves. Other idiots write articles on how scawy daily life is. It is going to get worse.

Next article on map-folding or changing a tire, please.
 
2020-10-28 7:55:46 PM  

Stibium: NG burned in a power turbine is about 50% efficient. Plus a switchover to electric means less gas lines needing to be installed and fewer to maintain, both of which greatly decrease natural leakage. It would be better to let the power companies have it all since they are more concerned with making sure their delivery systems are up to snuff, as opposed to some cash-strapped city that can't decide on whether to fix their infrastructure or spend more money on their police force.


PG&E and just about every other for profit utility would rather spend money on stock buybacks then infrastructure maintenance. PG&E has proved that with a few fires and explosions caused by their lack of care for both electric and gas distribution systems.
 
2020-10-28 8:01:42 PM  
Ha.  Most of the pollution from cooking is from the food itself.
 
2020-10-28 8:06:17 PM  
Can I also say that when the author says  "they're actually incredibly dangerous...," they are earning a punch in the face?

No. No they aren't INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. Real live scientists and professional people have approved the use of gas stoves as they are.

Incredible means "beyond credibility" or really "more than anyone can believe." I don't know. I can imagine a lot of danger. A nuclear power plant accident? A 9.0 earthquake? A tsunami that killed 20,000 people in an afternoon? Yeah. Well, a gas stove is BEYOND THAT. Yeah. Underwriters' Laboratories approved gas stoves for the use in a kitchen, and yet they are apparently more dangerous than a nuclear meltdown.

Come on, man. Do people write like this and get paid?
 
2020-10-28 8:06:55 PM  
I think half the issue with electric rangetops is that most people are stuck with "old" ones that don't control the coil for shiat.  I used to love gas because I never had a good electric stove until very recently when I rented a new apartment with out-of-the-box appliances.  I was amazed at how much control I actually had with the burners, and astounded that shiat in the oven actually took the "correct" amount of time to cook.

First thing I did when I bought a new house was shiatcan the old stove and get a new one, but I stayed with electric even though it would have been pretty easy to convert to gas (the house is set up with a gas fireplace, furnace, and water heater).  Damn good decision. Haven't regretted it once
 
2020-10-28 8:11:03 PM  
I installed a gas stove when I bought this house. I tapped a gas line off the furnace and extended it to the stove. It's probably not code, but my house hasn't exploded yet. Can't imagine cooking with anything else. Electric stoves suck.
 
2020-10-28 8:13:59 PM  
I love the humid, gassy smell that comes from a NG stove and oven. That smell makes my mouth water.
 
2020-10-28 8:22:19 PM  

buzzcut73: Stibium: NG burned in a power turbine is about 50% efficient. Plus a switchover to electric means less gas lines needing to be installed and fewer to maintain, both of which greatly decrease natural leakage. It would be better to let the power companies have it all since they are more concerned with making sure their delivery systems are up to snuff, as opposed to some cash-strapped city that can't decide on whether to fix their infrastructure or spend more money on their police force.

PG&E and just about every other for profit utility would rather spend money on stock buybacks then infrastructure maintenance. PG&E has proved that with a few fires and explosions caused by their lack of care for both electric and gas distribution systems.


...and THAT'S why publicly traded utility companies are a criminally stupid idea.
 
2020-10-28 8:30:09 PM  
From my cold, dead hands.

I've never heard anyone say gas stoves were "dangerous" until my parents were visiting recently and explained that was the reason they still used electric, even though they have a gas furnace and thus, a gas line to the house. Now, after watching my mom cook on my stove, I understand their trepidation a bit. It does take a bit of adjusting to but I've been in this house for 11 years and haven't killed myself so... meh. I love my gas stove and will miss it when I move to a place where they're not so common.

/bonus: roasted peppers are so easy: just wrap it in foil and stick it right in the flame
//also good when you want to light a joint and can't find your lighter
///and then when you're properly stoned, you can make s'mores right in your kitchen
 
2020-10-28 8:31:23 PM  
Try doing a whole chicken, spuds, carrots, and biscuits  on a 1901 woodburning range. The very one your great great grandma used. A buddy has one in his cabin, been there since 1924 and even though it was 20 degrees out the cabin hit 105 degrees. The food did take on a little oaky smoke character but so what? Good eating... Emissions wise, its a woodburning range and it smokes more or less or very little  depending on what fuelwood its using, how dry the wood is , and how the fire is built and stoked. Burned a big lump of railroad coal in it one night (not for cooking), it burned the whole night and really stunk up the whole neighborhood....
 
2020-10-28 8:50:29 PM  
Friend filled his house with gas like Fabric_Man, but other than that, I am pressed to consider especially legitimate the particular 'danger' of gas stoves.  I am all about Mommy Government protecting us from our collective idiocies when they truly offer a social collective threat, but gas stoves just doesn't seem to meet the world-ending crisis muster.
 
2020-10-28 9:09:46 PM  
Okay, chemistry was my worst subject in school but I thought you got CO (monoxide)  when you burnt stuff without adequate oxygen supply. A gas hob should produce Co2 (dioxide) which is safe.

In the UK we used coal gas until maybe fifty years ago, and that was poisonous by itself, hence the old trope of killing yourself by sticking your head in a gas oven. A couple of breaths of coal gas and you've out, and dead in a few minutes.

Gas safety laws here are pretty strict, including the exact placement of a hood above a hob, but the law can't force you to actually turn it on of course. But it is law now that they turn off the gas if the flame is not lit or goes out, so you can't leave it on and fill your house with gas.
(The UK also uses LPG for use in camping, RVs and for homes not connected to the mains. They have extra rules, like cannot be used for a cooker in a basement because LPG sinks and would fill up a basement, pushing out all the air.)

Those portable, plug in, induction hobs are neat. I have a nice big five burner range cooker, gas hob, electric ovens, but I got a cheap induction hob because a store he was selling them for £20, and they work very well, and can be programmed so you can use it as a slow cooker, or to have food waiting when you get home. Here's an American one for $50 that is similar.  Test you pots and pans with a fridge magnet. If it doesn't stick to the base it won't cook.
 
2020-10-28 9:10:42 PM  
There is one thing dangerous about a gas stove that in my HVAC experience is real. It is the old brass epoxy coated fixable gas line that goes from the black gas pipe to the connection on the stove. They get leaks from the grease left on them for years. If yours is a stainless flex connector no problem but if it is the 40 year old grey coated one then change that out. I have seen a few that have leaked over the years. OTOH the most shocking thing I have ever seen was someone that connected the flair part of one to a pipe thread and lit on fire so the house did not fill up with raw gas. They had a 6 inch forever flame behind the stove. I was there for the furnace check but ended up saving their life by fixing that.
 
2020-10-28 9:12:10 PM  

PainInTheASP: I think half the issue with electric rangetops is that most people are stuck with "old" ones that don't control the coil for shiat.  I used to love gas because I never had a good electric stove until very recently when I rented a new apartment with out-of-the-box appliances.  I was amazed at how much control I actually had with the burners, and astounded that shiat in the oven actually took the "correct" amount of time to cook.

First thing I did when I bought a new house was shiatcan the old stove and get a new one, but I stayed with electric even though it would have been pretty easy to convert to gas (the house is set up with a gas fireplace, furnace, and water heater).  Damn good decision. Haven't regretted it once


we still use our electric Kalamazoo stove from 1947. It works fine, and it bakes great. I heard from a pro baker that electric bakes better than gas because there's less humidity in the mix.
 
2020-10-28 9:19:19 PM  

Ecliptic: Like 90% of NG is used by industry and for electric generation. If you get an electric stove... its just getting powered by NG someplace else most of the time, FAR less efficiently mind you as well.

Can these hippies ever stop and think long enough to focus on the big rocks?


The crap that shows up on Fark makes environmentalists look dumber than a big rock. One was about how much water is wasted when people make pasta. I think the freelancers have competitions for getting the most ridiculous stuff posted on Treehugger.com
 
2020-10-28 9:29:47 PM  
The really fun kind of gas stove to have are the older cast-iron ones which have a pilot light rather than an electric igniter. If I had a nickel for every time someone came to my parents house and said "hey, you left your stove on!"

Then I have to explain what a pilot light is, because apparently that knowledge has been lost to the sands of time for a lot of people.

//"Trust me, that's how it's supposed to look."
/"If it's not lit up like that, *then* you should be worried."
 
2020-10-28 9:31:18 PM  

PainInTheASP: I think half the issue with electric rangetops is that most people are stuck with "old" ones that don't control the coil for shiat.  I used to love gas because I never had a good electric stove until very recently when I rented a new apartment with out-of-the-box appliances.  I was amazed at how much control I actually had with the burners, and astounded that shiat in the oven actually took the "correct" amount of time to cook.

First thing I did when I bought a new house was shiatcan the old stove and get a new one, but I stayed with electric even though it would have been pretty easy to convert to gas (the house is set up with a gas fireplace, furnace, and water heater).  Damn good decision. Haven't regretted it once


I had a similar experience. Grew up with mom's old electric stove... No idea how it was. It was awful.

I thought that was just all electric stoves. I was wrong. I bought a new mid-range priced electric stove and it was great.
 
2020-10-28 9:36:27 PM  

Stibium: It would be better to let the power companies have it all since they are more concerned with making sure their delivery systems are up to snuff


Up to snuff definition:  cost to repair > cost of letting it leak
 
2020-10-28 9:40:15 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: /bonus: roasted peppers are so easy: just wrap it in foil and stick it right in the flame


Heating tortillas right on the grates...turn the flame on low, toss 'em on, count to 15 and flip
 
2020-10-28 9:44:34 PM  
I have never had a problem with a gas stove and long ago I discovered that many kitchens have this astonishing device for controlling fumes - the exhaust hood.  Or in my current kitchen, a blade that rises from behind the burners.

There have been several incidents in my homes involving electric stovetops.  Melted bowls, burned cutting boards, shattered glass pot lids - all due to GFs that weren't paying attention.  You can't see if the damn element is on unless it's at one of the highest settings.  The glass cook tops are the worst.

And no electric oven has a decent broiler.  Unfortunately, I'm stuck with an electric oven, but I do have a gas cook top.
 
2020-10-28 9:58:36 PM  

natazha: And no electric oven has a decent broiler.  Unfortunately, I'm stuck with an electric oven, but I do have a gas cook top.


The general consensus is that gas hobs (burners) are better than electric but that electric ovens are better than gas, hence all "Dual fuel" cookers are gas hob and electric oven.
It's a matter of preference, and what you're used to. Gas and electric ovens work differently and you need to get used to them.

/With electric ovens you have 'conventional', fan assisted, fan and then 'multifunctional' which have a bunch of different functions, usually including a grill as well.
 
2020-10-28 10:14:50 PM  

scanman61: I should be in the kitchen: /bonus: roasted peppers are so easy: just wrap it in foil and stick it right in the flame

Heating tortillas right on the grates...turn the flame on low, toss 'em on, count to 15 and flip


Yup. Also, flatbread of all kinds. Not having to move a pan to get it off the heat is great, too. I grew up with electric and that's what my wife and I had in our first couple houses, but we switched due to the hype and it turned out... to be entirely true. Natural gas is better, by a long shot. I'd probably struggle to do much more than boil water on an electric stove without farking it up, these day. It's so much harder, and I'm not used to it anymore.
 
2020-10-28 10:41:44 PM  

Ecliptic: FTA: "As a Climate Person, I strongly believe we urgently need to electrify everything and ditch natural gas completely. "

Stopped reading there. Yes it was the first sentence.

Like 90% of NG is used by industry and for electric generation. If you get an electric stove... its just getting powered by NG someplace else most of the time, FAR less efficiently mind you as well.

Can these hippies ever stop and think long enough to focus on the big rocks?


What he said. Gas furnace, stove, dryer, and water heater are WAY cheaper than paying the utility company to use that gas to generate electricity. I don't even want to think what my electric bill would be to heat the house in winter.
 
2020-10-28 10:43:45 PM  
At least they're not the suicide (coal gas) ovens of the British 50's-70's.
 
2020-10-28 10:56:32 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: /bonus: roasted peppers are so easy: just wrap it in foil and stick it right in the flame


Doesn't the foil burn up?  I've always just tossed the peppers directly in the flame.

We're currently stuck with an electric stovetop, which isn't as terrible as older ones but definitely want to replace it when the kitchen gets redone. Then it'll be gas or induction.
 
2020-10-28 10:56:47 PM  
If you think I'm going to switch to electric cooking after reading this article, you've got another think coming. They can take my gas stove when they pry it out of my cold, dead fingers... or 'til it explodes. One of the two.

In the meanother, I could do with a new gas stove. The oven's thermostat is messed up.
 
2020-10-28 11:14:26 PM  
Running off LPG. Cooking with gas is awesome, except that I ran out yesterday in the middle of cooking my dinner.

However induction is also excellent, I would prefer to swap. Much easier to wipe down a sheet of glass then fish around the hobs and cast iron racks.

Excepting induction, electric cooking elements are complete and utter trash.
 
2020-10-28 11:43:49 PM  
Someone way upthread mentioned MODERNIZATION as a motive for moving to electric. Japan is starting to have infrastructure problems, particularly in large cities, because the gas infrastructure is ubiquitous and getting to the 70 year range. There was a push from about 2000 to switch to all electric appliances and eliminate gas lines once and for all. There were subsidies and campaigns. It worked, kind of... until Fukushima.

I do believe that all subsidies will have ended by next year. No more discounts from your electric bill for not using gas.

The flipside to that bad news is that new appliances are extremely efficient. Electricity is 30 cents per kWh, basically, so people installed heatpumps for heating and water heating and use IH (IC) in the kitchen.

There is a prevailing belief that gas appliances are more dangerous than others because of earthquakes, etc., but fires, etc. are so rare. It is certainly hysteria.
 
2020-10-28 11:55:52 PM  

Al Tsheimers: Ecliptic: FTA: "As a Climate Person, I strongly believe we urgently need to electrify everything and ditch natural gas completely. "

Stopped reading there. Yes it was the first sentence.

Like 90% of NG is used by industry and for electric generation. If you get an electric stove... its just getting powered by NG someplace else most of the time, FAR less efficiently mind you as well.

Can these hippies ever stop and think long enough to focus on the big rocks?

What he said. Gas furnace, stove, dryer, and water heater are WAY cheaper than paying the utility company to use that gas to generate electricity. I don't even want to think what my electric bill would be to heat the house in winter.


The problem is that while burning gas at the point of use may be best, you can either generate renewable energy yourself or use an energy company that does to eliminate the need for fossil fuels, altogether.

Yes, perhaps right now your electricity is generated by a NG fired power station, but it doesn't have to be.

skiinstructor: Try doing a whole chicken, spuds, carrots, and biscuits  on a 1901 woodburning range. The very one your great great grandma used. A buddy has one in his cabin, been there since 1924 and even though it was 20 degrees out the cabin hit 105 degrees. The food did take on a little oaky smoke character but so what? Good eating... Emissions wise, its a woodburning range and it smokes more or less or very little  depending on what fuelwood its using, how dry the wood is , and how the fire is built and stoked. Burned a big lump of railroad coal in it one night (not for cooking), it burned the whole night and really stunk up the whole neighborhood....


Is the fuel in the cooking chamber, or is it more like this:

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I wouldn't have thought much smokiness would transfer to the cooking chambers in a traditional Rayburn.
 
2020-10-29 2:07:08 AM  
Have to agree...
Busted the wife and mother in law four times for unknowingly filling up the house with natural gas when they didn't know the stove was on unlit. Don't even understand HOW they managed to do this. Wondering how many times its happened when I've been away on work trips.
 
2020-10-29 5:58:40 AM  
The most dangerous thing in my bedroom is still the Dutch oven.
 
2020-10-29 6:30:22 AM  
Just a quick aside on stove related matters, I recently restored the alcohol stove in my sailboat, and wanting to use the correct fuel to not gunk up the works, did some research. That's when I learned what "denatured alcohol" is. I'd heard the term, seen it in the solvents aisle at the hardware store, etc, but come to find out, the best fuel for alcohol stoves is really straight 90% ethyl alcohol. During prohibition, the teetotalers were like, well how can we stop people from mixing drinks with industrial alcohol? I know! Lets put acetone and all kinds of other crap in it so it will kill them. What a country.
 
2020-10-29 7:12:54 AM  
Gas range, electric oven. Best combo. It's difficult to use anything other than flame with some things such as woks that aren't heated properly with other methods. Baking just needs to get a space up to a temperature and hold it there so electric is perfectly adequate.

Also in some places electricity is more expensive than gas so it's much more affordable to stay with gas.
 
2020-10-29 7:51:29 AM  
Meh, the article is stupid and I love my gas cooktop, it's way better than even my parents newer electric setup. That said, I have heard good things about induction cooktops, and would strongly consider them if I had to replace my cooktop.
 
2020-10-29 8:15:34 AM  

markie_farkie: This is why I only cook roadkill over a tire fire on the back porch.


As long as both are locally sourced, cool.
 
2020-10-29 9:07:37 AM  

LiberalConservative: Have to agree...
Busted the wife and mother in law four times for unknowingly filling up the house with natural gas when they didn't know the stove was on unlit. Don't even understand HOW they managed to do this. Wondering how many times its happened when I've been away on work trips.


Can she not smell the mercaptans?  It's the reason they're there!
 
2020-10-29 9:18:28 AM  

Zroop: Just a quick aside on stove related matters, I recently restored the alcohol stove in my sailboat, and wanting to use the correct fuel to not gunk up the works, did some research. That's when I learned what "denatured alcohol" is. I'd heard the term, seen it in the solvents aisle at the hardware store, etc, but come to find out, the best fuel for alcohol stoves is really straight 90% ethyl alcohol. During prohibition, the teetotalers were like, well how can we stop people from mixing drinks with industrial alcohol? I know! Lets put acetone and all kinds of other crap in it so it will kill them. What a country.


That's pretty common. Was it an initiative by the teetotalers, or from industry trying to keep their products from getting stolen/prohibited?  I could see either or both banding together.

It also makes taxes easier.  If the alcohol I denatured, then it is not taxed with any 'vice' taxes. At least in Canada.

Absolute alcohol sold for commercial or academic use was tracked for the longest time - you had to record date of use and volume - so that the tax man could tell if you were using it for the annual Christmas party (which it was in the heydey of wild in-house office parties shhh!) which would trigger tax and other legal finger wagging if caught.Doesn't seem to happen anymore though from why I've seen.
 
2020-10-29 9:23:06 AM  

keldaria: Meh, the article is stupid and I love my gas cooktop, it's way better than even my parents newer electric setup. That said, I have heard good things about induction cooktops, and would strongly consider them if I had to replace my cooktop.


I only switched to gas 7 years ago.  Other than poor grate design on the cooktop, I do like it.  Faster than the electrics that I have used.

I will be getting a standalone induction that I can plug in wherever.  For $70 on sale, it seems like a good way to try it out.

In the other direction, I'm also going to get a 16 wick kerosene stove, to expand canning or cooking capacity to outdoors.
 
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