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2020-10-28 5:03:31 PM  
78 votes:
Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.
 
2020-10-28 8:31:02 PM  
61 votes:
Well, they've already created a constitutional crisis, health care crisis, crisis in confidence, moral, ethical, legal crisis, ignoring an environmental crisis, foreign policy crisis, judicial crisis so might as well throw that on the pile.
 
2020-10-28 8:32:25 PM  
38 votes:
Yeah, well, Americans were warned that 2016 could be their last election if Trump wins, and yet 42% didn't bother to vote at all, and about 25% voted for Trump.

This is what you wanted, America. Choke on it.
 
2020-10-28 8:34:20 PM  
33 votes:
If they steal the election, America will burn. Millions of Americans will be taking unauthorized tours of the White House and all Trump properties.
 
2020-10-28 8:35:48 PM  
32 votes:
F*cking Justice Beerbro.

Say what you will about Gorsuch's stolen seat, at least he's got an IQ above room temperature.
 
2020-10-28 8:38:02 PM  
30 votes:

Catlenfell: Of all the people to fight for, they're fight for Trump


Trump is the convenient puppet, nothing more.

McConnell is fighting to keep minority tyranny forever.
 
2020-10-28 8:37:45 PM  
27 votes:

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?


We tear them to pieces with our bare hands.
 
2020-10-28 8:33:16 PM  
27 votes:
I mean, yeah, that's what they do. They cheat to win to stay in power and stay rich and keep their friends rich. They suppress votes and gerrymander to win. IT IS WHAT THEY DO.
 
2020-10-28 8:49:11 PM  
24 votes:
Difficulty: Trump and Biden aren't the only two candidates on the ballots. Down ticket candidates will not stand for a halt to counting ballots if their races are close. Especially if you have a Secretary of State who is in a close race.

Plus, I'm not sure the military will be happy if ballots from soldiers go uncounted.
 
2020-10-28 8:42:20 PM  
23 votes:
It is a really good albeit maddening read.

fta: "In effect, the GOP is saying that we absolutely must have a result on election night, two and a half months before the next inauguration, but it would be wrong to start counting ballots as they come in now"

Kavanaugh is already starting to lie his ass off.

DeJoy is doing his bit.

The plan is in place.

It's a soft coup.

TFA is right, I think, It may take millions in the streets to stop the madness.

Hopefully not but still...
 
2020-10-28 5:15:59 PM  
23 votes:
"Well obviously if they're winning, they're cheating. I mean, look at how we managed 2016."
 
2020-10-28 9:09:25 PM  
21 votes:
That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.


I realize the constitution and history behind it is a running joke to the GOP, something to be trotted out and contorted to justify their shiat, but seeing them pushing this "we must know by midnight" is really something else.

When the Constitution was written they didn't have the internet. They didn't have telephones. They didn't have telegrams. They didn't have cars or trains. They had couriers on horses, and for a lot of the country they didn't even have damn roads.

Each state had to wait until votes came in from all corners before they had a final count. This could take a week or more, if they were really rushing and the county was real organized about only having one polling station.

Then they had to get together, choose their Electors, vote on who the state wanted to have be POTUS and then send a courier to Congress with the results, again a journey that could take weeks.

This is why the Electoral College doesn't vote until over a month after the election.

The fact they are even pretending there's any sort of logical, constitutional or historic justification for needing to stop the count a few hours, or even a few days, after Election Day is beyond insane.
 
2020-10-28 8:58:23 PM  
20 votes:
I was with him right up until here: But this strategy depends on rank-and-file Democrats simply sitting and taking it. Furious outbreaks of mass popular protest have toppled tyrannical regimes many times in the past, from France in 1789, to most of Europe in 1848, to most of Eastern Europe in the early 1990s, to the Arab Spring in 2011, or the ongoing mass protests against the dictatorship in Belarus. (Not all of these turned out that well, but it proves the point.)

..when I detected another pro-Democrat Purge fantasy in progress.

This works really well as a tool to prevent anxiety, because if La Revolucion fails to show up on your doorstep with a gun and a Molotov for ya, you can just blame the lazy American public for not toppling the tyrannical regime - not that the author is even able to tell himself all these movements are successful.

I sat at home and told everyone on the internet I was ready to fight! Why didn't they come get me?

Our underclass is tired, and they still buy the fantasy that if they work harder things will get better. And many of them are like TFA writer - they think someone else will start the revolution for them and they can just join up. Toppling a regime isn't just a protest, that's a coup he's after. Not a few changes in laws - like what BLM has managed - but removing an entire administration. You need to start stockpiling weapons, forming cells and training NOW if you want to be ready for January 20th. November 4th is out of the question.

No, the GOP are betting that Democrats in power will sit still and take it, and disavow any protest, violence or property damage that happens to be done by the rank and file. And that probably we won't manage a political coup in the middle of multiple crises which include a farking pandemic. Evidence suggests this is a good bet to make.

If you zip right to a coup as the next logical step in this process, you get to feel justified sitting on your butt for anything less. Oh well. I voted. Until the coup shows up, what's on TV? It's a power fantasy that creates total stagnation and it's just sad.
 
2020-10-28 8:45:06 PM  
20 votes:
Gearing up? They've been working hard on this for the last 34 months, and were laying groundwork for decades prior.
 
2020-10-28 8:51:06 PM  
18 votes:

AcneVulgaris: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?

Tear gas and beatings for all!


I've never owned a gun in my life. Not a half hour ago I was looking at rifles.

My mom, who only ever tries to see the good in anything, told me today she expects civil war 2 to break out if the GOP is allowed to steal the election, again, for a 3rd time. 2000, 2016 & 2020.

Never ever ever has my mom come anywhere near expressing this sort of an opinion. Both her and I have been gifted in seeing the way things are going to break. My 6th sense has kept me out of some major f*cking trouble my whole life, and it's been going off like fire alarm bells since the day RBG died.

I've made it very clear here, on fark, how scared I feel and i'm not an easily made fearful person. 2016 was the same. I knew before it was called trump would be declared winner, and I knew immediately we'd be f*cked. I wasn't wrong then and I hope like hell i'm wrong this time.
 
2020-10-28 8:34:03 PM  
17 votes:

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


Then what?
 
2020-10-28 8:36:34 PM  
16 votes:

Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.


Aww, you think they care about laws. How cute.
 
2020-10-28 8:33:54 PM  
15 votes:
That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.
 
2020-10-28 8:32:54 PM  
14 votes:
Of all the people to fight for, they're fight for Trump
 
2020-10-28 9:15:45 PM  
13 votes:

HerptheDerp: Those of you talking about getting guns and 'Civil War 2' be aware, guns don't win resistance efforts by themselves, and a lot more goes into forming an underground resistance than dying in the streets.


You may be underestimating just how much the average American loves violence on a visceral level.

Rest assured, for all of their barking, the right-wing in this country was absolutely scared shiatless during the George Floyd riots.  They got a front row seat to just how powerful a mass mobilization of people in America can be.

For years, I had to drive by the Confederate statues in downtown Raleigh.  All the attempts to remove them via civil means resulted in virtually no change.

One night of relentless rioting got them removed, though.

And they're never coming back.

If there's one thing I have absolute faith in, it's the American bloodlust.  It can, and will, be unleashed in the face of any attempts by the GOP to ratfark this election.  And it will NOT stop until things are made right.

Minneapolis was their warning shot.
 
2020-10-28 9:04:27 PM  
13 votes:
Those of you talking about getting guns and 'Civil War 2' be aware, guns don't win resistance efforts by themselves, and a lot more goes into forming an underground resistance than dying in the streets.
 
2020-10-28 8:48:33 PM  
13 votes:

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?


Riots on a level like nothing this country's ever seen.

If he doesn't vacate after losing, entire cities will be burned right down to the plumbing.

Calls for him to leave will increasingly come from within his own party.

And then...
He'll leave.
 
2020-10-28 8:34:01 PM  
13 votes:
Try it. see what happens.

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2020-10-28 8:51:15 PM  
12 votes:
I've been saying this for a couple of months. Republicans will shut down counting on election night in states where Trump is ahead.

In Wisconsin, even the in-person early votes are absentee votes, requiring placing the ballot in a sealed envelope with two signatures (voter & witness) on the outside.

It's a perfect opportunity to disqualify those votes, by saying a signature does not precisely match the one on file.

Wisconsin absentee ballots are going to be nationally famous like Florida hanging chads.
 
2020-10-28 8:41:34 PM  
11 votes:
(Stolen) elections have consequences.
If Trump & the GOPniks want to delegitimize the election & Constitution, who says we need to recognize either?
That's how countries split apart.
 
2020-10-28 9:59:07 PM  
10 votes:
They're willing to burn the farking whole goddamned country to the ground...

...for Trump.

For Donald farking Trump.

It all could end simply to keep that thin-skinned, selfish, incurious ignoramus propped up. THAT is how stupid America is.

Holy shiat.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:49 PM  
10 votes:

austerity101: jso2897: lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.

Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?

Attempted murder is a crime. So is conspiracy. You don't have to successfully pull something off to be a criminal.


Yeah but I've never seen politicians being arrested for conspiracy to overthrow democracy. The entire GOP, their lawyers, fox news and OANN should be put under arrest for conspiracy to install a fascist state and all hanged by the neck.
 
2020-10-28 8:40:23 PM  
10 votes:

The Irresponsible Captain: Try it. see what happens.

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I'd like to see that, but the cynic in me says that Americans are too brainwashed and domesticated to do that, even in the face of blatant tyranny.
 
2020-10-28 9:22:03 PM  
9 votes:
Right wingers have been getting amped up to kill Americans for daring to disagree with them for decades.  Every year the talk from the gop and it's media proxies gets worse and worse.  There are people who really believe the lies pumped out by fox and friends.  Nearly 30 years ago, these nuts blew up and building with a freaking daycare in it.  If trump loses, who knows what they will do.  Democracies fall to fascism.  It happens.  It can happen here.  Probably more easily than a lot of places.  Our constitution gives way too much power to the president and there are little checks and balances that truly matter.  Particularly with a complicit senate.  The country could well collapse before the end of November.  I don't think that's what the Republican Party wants, but they have riled up their followers to the point where violence seems like a reasonable response.
 
2020-10-28 9:21:44 PM  
9 votes:

suebhoney: AcneVulgaris: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?

Tear gas and beatings for all!

I've never owned a gun in my life. Not a half hour ago I was looking at rifles.

My mom, who only ever tries to see the good in anything, told me today she expects civil war 2 to break out if the GOP is allowed to steal the election, again, for a 3rd time. 2000, 2016 & 2020.

Never ever ever has my mom come anywhere near expressing this sort of an opinion. Both her and I have been gifted in seeing the way things are going to break. My 6th sense has kept me out of some major f*cking trouble my whole life, and it's been going off like fire alarm bells since the day RBG died.

I've made it very clear here, on fark, how scared I feel and i'm not an easily made fearful person. 2016 was the same. I knew before it was called trump would be declared winner, and I knew immediately we'd be f*cked. I wasn't wrong then and I hope like hell i'm wrong this time.


If you have no firearm training, don't buy a rifle or handgun. Buy a shotgun.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:52 PM  
9 votes:

whosits_112: Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.

The thing is, how many elections had all states complete all voting at midnight? I'm sure few or none.


None. Exactly none. The result may be known before that based on lots of things, but none of them is the answer.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:27 PM  
9 votes:
Also,

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2020-10-28 8:55:19 PM  
9 votes:
quatchi:

TFA is right, I think, It may take millions in the streets to stop the madness.

Hopefully not but still...


"There will be blood." - Malcolm Nance on what the post election atmosphere in America is going to be like.

Any attempts to undermine the election results are going to awaken America's putrid taste for violence.

Imagine the violence of the Minneapolis riots with a crowd this size:
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The GOP will eventually relent once they realize that the cost of continuing to support a low-rent loser like Trump in the face of unprecedented social unrest will not be worth it.
 
2020-10-28 8:49:00 PM  
9 votes:

J_Kushner: (Stolen) elections have consequences.
If Trump & the GOPniks want to delegitimize the election & Constitution, who says we need to recognize either?
That's how countries split apart.


Let's face it; the West Coast is essentially its own country already.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:02 PM  
8 votes:
Oh and mom also said if biden doesn't win she will NEVER pay federal taxes again. She said she'll open an escrow account and dump it all there and fight against ever paying it. My mom hasn't done an illegal thing in her life. Just espousing that statement is not in tune with my mom. For her to even say it is absolutely incredible just on its face.
 
2020-10-28 8:49:16 PM  
7 votes:

Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.


The thing is, how many elections had all states complete all voting at midnight? I'm sure few or none.
 
2020-10-28 8:46:32 PM  
7 votes:
Republicans need to stop resisting.
 
2020-10-28 9:03:15 PM  
6 votes:

Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.


I very much agree with what you said.  If this does happen, a simple solution would be for states to start counting votes in the order received... the last to be counted being those cast on election day.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:41 PM  
6 votes:

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


What caliber does a placard use?
 
2020-10-28 8:38:07 PM  
6 votes:

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?


Tear gas and beatings for all!
 
2020-10-28 8:34:49 PM  
6 votes:

lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.


I meant... attempted fascism unlike attempted murder aint a crime but it ought to be.
 
2020-10-28 10:23:06 PM  
5 votes:
How many times do I have to say it

THE REPUBLICANS ARE NEVER GIVING UP POWER AGAIN!


They have made that abundantly clear through their actions. These people have been working towards this very moment for the last several decades. Do you really think they will leave this up to chance? They were only one state house away from calling for a constitutional convention. They are pining for their fascist authoritarian state, and if democrats don't vote in large enough numbers, then democracy might be permanently finished.

VOTE.
 
2020-10-28 9:20:32 PM  
5 votes:

Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader: WeedBong420: At this point, I see it as doubtful for really one reason.

It'd be bad for business.

That's it really.

I agree.  If this really is a "blue wave" I just can't see them being that brazen.  It would change everything and plunge this country into crisis.   Markets don't like that.


Rich German industrialists thought they could control hitler too and everything got fracked into a cocked hat
 
2020-10-28 8:32:32 PM  
5 votes:
Yeah I'm a former of this variety. Did I write this? I thought Fark wasn't my personal erotica site? Not that I want this to happen, just that it's my apocalypse 2020 finale pet theory....

/Voted Biden
//Enthusiastically!
///Blue Tsunami!
 
2020-10-28 9:28:01 PM  
4 votes:

Stibium: Allowing for general incompetancy and immense hubris on the part of right wing groups, it wouldn't take much to form a critical mass of informed and motivated individuals the likes of which militia types can only have wet dreams about. If they start firing they will be on the receiving end of far more than they estimate.


The right wing has an enormous organizational advantage over everyone else here.

They have spent ~20 years building up networks of like minded "militia" groups, these folks are in contact with each other, they share lines of communication through both online platforms and organized AM radio stations that feed them their daily hysteria. Should it come to an actual insurrection they have a huge head start on deploying armed gangs. They also have the sympathy of the police, whose membership overlaps with their own, so they can act with a level of impunity without risking falling foul of the police (or even have police assistance) while anyone on the Left isn't going to have that luxury.

The police are another major factor here. In towns and cities where they have been heavily infiltrated by the far right the police are in a position where they can openly crack down on political opponents while shielded from legal consequences - we've seen previews of this all over the country this summer. Note: when the Nazis took over Germany they had to go to considerable effort to purge the military of leadership and replace them with Nazis. They just gave the police new uniforms. This is a pattern that repeats over and over through history.

This is amplified if the RW has control over the WH at the same time - this gives them a nation wide line of communication to coordinate and direct activities, while also being placed to disrupt communication of opponents, take out opposition leaders and to send in heavily armed and trained federal support if needed.

If it comes down to that sort of conflict... you're being wildly optimistic if you think the far right is going to be promptly outflanked.
 
2020-10-28 9:24:32 PM  
4 votes:

contrapunctus: HerptheDerp: Those of you talking about getting guns and 'Civil War 2' be aware, guns don't win resistance efforts by themselves, and a lot more goes into forming an underground resistance than dying in the streets.

You may be underestimating just how much the average American loves violence on a visceral level.

Rest assured, for all of their barking, the right-wing in this country was absolutely scared shiatless during the George Floyd riots.  They got a front row seat to just how powerful a mass mobilization of people in America can be.

For years, I had to drive by the Confederate statues in downtown Raleigh.  All the attempts to remove them via civil means resulted in virtually no change.

One night of relentless rioting got them removed, though.

And they're never coming back.

If there's one thing I have absolute faith in, it's the American bloodlust.  It can, and will, be unleashed in the face of any attempts by the GOP to ratfark this election.  And it will NOT stop until things are made right.

Minneapolis was their warning shot.


Yep. There are many liberals like myself that were in the military and are fluent in violence.
 
2020-10-28 9:20:33 PM  
4 votes:

whosits_112: Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.

The thing is, how many elections had all states complete all voting at midnight? I'm sure few or none.


Next to zero. Calling an election is a media thing.
 
2020-10-28 9:16:16 PM  
4 votes:

WeedBong420: At this point, I see it as doubtful for really one reason.

It'd be bad for business.

That's it really.


I agree.  If this really is a "blue wave" I just can't see them being that brazen.  It would change everything and plunge this country into crisis.   Markets don't like that.
 
2020-10-28 9:07:02 PM  
4 votes:

suebhoney: Oh and mom also said if biden doesn't win she will NEVER pay federal taxes again. She said she'll open an escrow account and dump it all there and fight against ever paying it. My mom hasn't done an illegal thing in her life. Just espousing that statement is not in tune with my mom. For her to even say it is absolutely incredible just on its face.


You and your mom sound like pretty swell folk, but the IRS is pretty nonpartisan and loves auditing blue collar accounts these days. Render unto Caesar, and all that...
 
2020-10-28 9:02:50 PM  
4 votes:

Zaphod42: whosits_112: Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.

The thing is, how many elections had all states complete all voting at midnight? I'm sure few or none.

None. Exactly none. The result may be known before that based on lots of things, but none of them is the answer.


And if they try to take it to court, that argument may sink them.

If it goes to the Supreme Court, I can only see Thomas, Kavanaugh, and Coney-Barrett going along with thr GOP. I don't think Gorsuch and Roberts would (though I could obviously be wrong).
 
2020-10-28 8:56:39 PM  
4 votes:

The Irresponsible Captain: Try it. see what happens.

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2020-10-28 8:52:18 PM  
4 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Difficulty: Trump and Biden aren't the only two candidates on the ballots. Down ticket candidates will not stand for a halt to counting ballots if their races are close. Especially if you have a Secretary of State who is in a close race.

Plus, I'm not sure the military will be happy if ballots from soldiers go uncounted.


Republicans won't care. We've seen many times they'll sacrifice each other and throw anyone under the bus for their own personal gains. Long as they can steal the election they can ignore everyone's vote.
 
2020-10-28 10:42:35 PM  
3 votes:
The idea that counting votes will stop at midnight is laughable.
Chill out.
 
2020-10-28 10:40:39 PM  
3 votes:
Go ahead and piss off the black people. They'll have some riots, some white people will join in, few injuries couple months...

But now you're pissing off the white people. Those mother fakirs are CRAZY. You will have a goddam civil war when the white people crazy starts. They are the original berserkers and have a chemical penchant for violence from living in countries for thousands of years where the sun only came out for 20 minutes in April every other year.
The killing didn't stop at 650,000 last time those idiots went at it. It was another 50 years before they could all get in the same boat long enough to go across an ocean and kill everybody over there.
Uh Uh...
You assholes better figure something out pretty quick because you ain't putting that egg back together again!
 
2020-10-28 10:00:25 PM  
3 votes:

Rav Tokomi: Gearing up? They've been working hard on this for the last 34 months, and were laying groundwork for decades prior.


And unfortunately they've been enabled by people like Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein who still think they're playing by rules that have long since been abdicated by the Republicans
 
2020-10-28 9:43:42 PM  
3 votes:

Target Builder: Stibium: Allowing for general incompetancy and immense hubris on the part of right wing groups, it wouldn't take much to form a critical mass of informed and motivated individuals the likes of which militia types can only have wet dreams about. If they start firing they will be on the receiving end of far more than they estimate.

The right wing has an enormous organizational advantage over everyone else here.

They have spent ~20 years building up networks of like minded "militia" groups, these folks are in contact with each other, they share lines of communication through both online platforms and organized AM radio stations that feed them their daily hysteria. Should it come to an actual insurrection they have a huge head start on deploying armed gangs. They also have the sympathy of the police, whose membership overlaps with their own, so they can act with a level of impunity without risking falling foul of the police (or even have police assistance) while anyone on the Left isn't going to have that luxury.

The police are another major factor here. In towns and cities where they have been heavily infiltrated by the far right the police are in a position where they can openly crack down on political opponents while shielded from legal consequences - we've seen previews of this all over the country this summer. Note: when the Nazis took over Germany they had to go to considerable effort to purge the military of leadership and replace them with Nazis. They just gave the police new uniforms. This is a pattern that repeats over and over through history.

This is amplified if the RW has control over the WH at the same time - this gives them a nation wide line of communication to coordinate and direct activities, while also being placed to disrupt communication of opponents, take out opposition leaders and to send in heavily armed and trained federal support if needed.

If it comes down to that sort of conflict... you're being wildly optimistic if you think the far ri ...


I give you that the right wing already has a foothold in traditional media space to get out the message. The thing is, how many of them are savvy enough for Signal and other fully encrypted apps? Do you not suspect the FBI to be listening?

The police can be safely discounted I believe. They are even more fearful of nonviolent protests, so I don't see them as much of a true threat. They aren't trained to handle the sort of shiatstorm brewing over the horizon, and they sure as shooting won't hold back an angry mob. Major metro areas with terror response units may be able to quell most of of the really bad stuff, but the vast majority of even well-armed police forces across the nation don't have that without FBI hand-holding. They won't stand a chance.
The right wing is as much of a paper tiger as the Soviet Union. Punch through the first line and there is nothing left. They arent used to being on the defensive, other than cowardly hiding in the shadows in wake of doxxing and public scrutiny. The left is much smarter and far more flexible than they are given credit for.
 
2020-10-28 9:26:34 PM  
3 votes:
You know, GOD FORBID the Republicans pull their shiat together enough to allow Biden as a punching bag for four years while the conservative Supreme Court keeps dismantling the country. TFA doesn't bother about what's going to happen if they decide to be subtle. These Revolutionary Democrats will turn around and demand the status quo like that if Biden gets his win.

If I survive this exposure to COVID (which I found out about today and which has handily neutered my ability to get out there and protest right after the goddamn election), I see myself fighting Republicans AND my fellow Democrats who don't want Biden to lose in 2024. Whaaat? You can't protest the removal of the ACA on BIDEN'S watch! He can't stop them from overturning Roe v. Wade!! You whiny progressive! What do you want him to dooo??
 
2020-10-28 9:04:47 PM  
3 votes:

contrapunctus: quatchi:

TFA is right, I think, It may take millions in the streets to stop the madness.

Hopefully not but still...

"There will be blood." - Malcolm Nance on what the post election atmosphere in America is going to be like.

Any attempts to undermine the election results are going to awaken America's putrid taste for violence.

Imagine the violence of the Minneapolis riots with a crowd this size:
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The GOP will eventually relent once they realize that the cost of continuing to support a low-rent loser like Trump in the face of unprecedented social unrest will not be worth it.


There will be blood.
Not even an if question.
A question of how much.
On a scale from a few bloody riots put down relatively quickly to a new civil war with a mass body count over years.
I am guessing the former.
Yes, cos optimist.
Pollyanna of the PolTab, they calls me.
 
2020-10-28 8:53:36 PM  
3 votes:
At this point, I see it as doubtful for really one reason.

It'd be bad for business.

That's it really.
 
2020-10-28 8:43:37 PM  
3 votes:

spacechecker: Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.

Aww, you think they care about laws. How cute.


Yes, thanks for the sterling contribution.
 
2020-10-28 8:32:53 PM  
3 votes:
And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.
 
2020-10-29 12:45:42 AM  
2 votes:
We were warned in 2016 by DJT himself.
 
2020-10-28 11:23:57 PM  
2 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mad_Radhu: Difficulty: Trump and Biden aren't the only two candidates on the ballots. Down ticket candidates will not stand for a halt to counting ballots if their races are close. Especially if you have a Secretary of State who is in a close race.

Plus, I'm not sure the military will be happy if ballots from soldiers go uncounted.

Republicans won't care. We've seen many times they'll sacrifice each other and throw anyone under the bus for their own personal gains. Long as they can steal the election they can ignore everyone's vote.


I think you got that backwards. Long as they can ignore everyone's vote, they can steal the election.
 
2020-10-28 10:02:26 PM  
2 votes:

suebhoney: baron von doodle: suebhoney: AcneVulgaris: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?

Tear gas and beatings for all!

I've never owned a gun in my life. Not a half hour ago I was looking at rifles.

My mom, who only ever tries to see the good in anything, told me today she expects civil war 2 to break out if the GOP is allowed to steal the election, again, for a 3rd time. 2000, 2016 & 2020.

Never ever ever has my mom come anywhere near expressing this sort of an opinion. Both her and I have been gifted in seeing the way things are going to break. My 6th sense has kept me out of some major f*cking trouble my whole life, and it's been going off like fire alarm bells since the day RBG died.

I've made it very clear here, on fark, how scared I feel and i'm not an easily made fearful person. 2016 was the same. I knew before it was called trump would be declared winner, and I knew immediately we'd be f*cked. I wasn't wrong then and I hope like hell i'm wrong this time.

If you have no firearm training, don't buy a rifle or handgun. Buy a shotgun.

I was brought up shooting a .22 rifle and a 30.06 (I believe that's the right way to express it) shotgun. I remember my dad and grandfather called it a thirty odd 6.

But thanks.


Apologies.
 
2020-10-28 9:34:08 PM  
2 votes:

lolmao500: austerity101: jso2897: lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.

Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?

Attempted murder is a crime. So is conspiracy. You don't have to successfully pull something off to be a criminal.

Yeah but I've never seen politicians being arrested for conspiracy to overthrow democracy. The entire GOP, their lawyers, fox news and OANN should be put under arrest for conspiracy to install a fascist state and all hanged by the neck.


Do you ever take a day off from your erotic political purge fantasies?
 
2020-10-28 9:22:02 PM  
2 votes:
Anyone fanning the flames of any kind of "civil war" does not know what they are talking about.
Or they do know what they're talking about and being decidedly evil.

https://www.wunc.org/post/after-cover​i​ng-civil-war-overseas-journalist-exami​nes-us-militia-movement
 
2020-10-28 9:15:01 PM  
2 votes:

Target Builder: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.


I realize the constitution and history behind it is a running joke to the GOP, something to be trotted out and contorted to justify their shiat, but seeing them pushing this "we must know by midnight" is really something else.

When the Constitution was written they didn't have the internet. They didn't have telephones. They didn't have telegrams. They didn't have cars or trains. They had couriers on horses, and for a lot of the country they didn't even have damn roads.

Each state had to wait until votes came in from all corners before they had a final count. This could take a week or more, if they were really rushing and the county was real organized about only having one polling station.

Then they had to get together, choose their Electors, vote on who the state wanted to have be POTUS and then send a courier to Congress with the results, again a journey that could take weeks.

This is why the Electoral College doesn't vote until over a month after the election.

The fact they are even pretending there's any sort of logical, constitutional or historic justification for needing to stop the count a few hours, or even a few days, after Election Day is beyond insane.


Kavanaugh: "And what is your legal argument in favor of arbitrarily stopping the count?"

GOP Rep: "BLAAAARRRGHH!"

Thomas: "Hhhm..."
 
2020-10-28 8:59:33 PM  
2 votes:
Author was touching himself and crying while typing that, 100%.
 
2020-10-28 10:09:49 PM  
1 vote:

jso2897: lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.

Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?


I was about to make a joke riffing on "Die Bart, Die," but I don't want to get the secret service showing up at my house.
 
2020-10-28 10:06:14 PM  
1 vote:
30.06 can be loaded with limited scatter shot (shotgun style) rounds, but is usually used as a rifle.
 
2020-10-28 9:57:22 PM  
1 vote:

baron von doodle: suebhoney: AcneVulgaris: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?

Tear gas and beatings for all!

I've never owned a gun in my life. Not a half hour ago I was looking at rifles.

My mom, who only ever tries to see the good in anything, told me today she expects civil war 2 to break out if the GOP is allowed to steal the election, again, for a 3rd time. 2000, 2016 & 2020.

Never ever ever has my mom come anywhere near expressing this sort of an opinion. Both her and I have been gifted in seeing the way things are going to break. My 6th sense has kept me out of some major f*cking trouble my whole life, and it's been going off like fire alarm bells since the day RBG died.

I've made it very clear here, on fark, how scared I feel and i'm not an easily made fearful person. 2016 was the same. I knew before it was called trump would be declared winner, and I knew immediately we'd be f*cked. I wasn't wrong then and I hope like hell i'm wrong this time.

If you have no firearm training, don't buy a rifle or handgun. Buy a shotgun.


I was brought up shooting a .22 rifle and a 30.06 (I believe that's the right way to express it) shotgun. I remember my dad and grandfather called it a thirty odd 6.

But thanks.
 
2020-10-28 9:47:49 PM  
1 vote:

suebhoney: AcneVulgaris: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?

Tear gas and beatings for all!

I've never owned a gun in my life. Not a half hour ago I was looking at rifles.

My mom, who only ever tries to see the good in anything, told me today she expects civil war 2 to break out if the GOP is allowed to steal the election, again, for a 3rd time. 2000, 2016 & 2020.

Never ever ever has my mom come anywhere near expressing this sort of an opinion. Both her and I have been gifted in seeing the way things are going to break. My 6th sense has kept me out of some major f*cking trouble my whole life, and it's been going off like fire alarm bells since the day RBG died.

I've made it very clear here, on fark, how scared I feel and i'm not an easily made fearful person. 2016 was the same. I knew before it was called trump would be declared winner, and I knew immediately we'd be f*cked. I wasn't wrong then and I hope like hell i'm wrong this time.


What kind of rifle?
Can't go wrong with a 12 gauge shotgun.  18.5in barrel, 6 round magazine.  Don't even need outstanding marksmanship to be absolutely deadly out to 50m.
Slap on the glow sights for low visibility. A 25td box of buckshot & you're ready for almost anything.
 
2020-10-28 9:47:25 PM  
1 vote:

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


Placards won't help. I estimate it would take about 400 people rushing the court quickly to overwhelm fast enough to get to the judges if they are actively on the bench. You can build the guillotine after all of them are in custody.
 
2020-10-28 9:15:05 PM  
1 vote:

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


I have little to lose. I'll be taking my own path in that instance.
 
2020-10-28 9:12:57 PM  
1 vote:

HerptheDerp: Those of you talking about getting guns and 'Civil War 2' be aware, guns don't win resistance efforts by themselves, and a lot more goes into forming an underground resistance than dying in the streets.


Allowing for general incompetancy and immense hubris on the part of right wing groups, it wouldn't take much to form a critical mass of informed and motivated individuals the likes of which militia types can only have wet dreams about. If they start firing they will be on the receiving end of far more than they estimate.

The thing is, you are correct. Guns aren't the be-all-end-all. Many leftists don't own them, and fewer are proficient. That still won't stop the onslaught of protest. What's a typical militia stockpile? 50,000 rounds of 5.56? A protest turning violent will leave lightposts from here clear to the other side of MLK Jr. Boulevard tilted over with the bodies strung up on them. 1 bullet to a dozen protesters isn't good odds.

And that's before the military gets involved...
 
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