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2020-10-28 5:03:31 PM  
Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.
 
2020-10-28 5:15:59 PM  
"Well obviously if they're winning, they're cheating. I mean, look at how we managed 2016."
 
2020-10-28 8:31:02 PM  
Well, they've already created a constitutional crisis, health care crisis, crisis in confidence, moral, ethical, legal crisis, ignoring an environmental crisis, foreign policy crisis, judicial crisis so might as well throw that on the pile.
 
2020-10-28 8:32:25 PM  
Yeah, well, Americans were warned that 2016 could be their last election if Trump wins, and yet 42% didn't bother to vote at all, and about 25% voted for Trump.

This is what you wanted, America. Choke on it.
 
2020-10-28 8:32:32 PM  
Yeah I'm a former of this variety. Did I write this? I thought Fark wasn't my personal erotica site? Not that I want this to happen, just that it's my apocalypse 2020 finale pet theory....

/Voted Biden
//Enthusiastically!
///Blue Tsunami!
 
2020-10-28 8:32:53 PM  
And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.
 
2020-10-28 8:32:54 PM  
Of all the people to fight for, they're fight for Trump
 
2020-10-28 8:32:58 PM  

crackizzle: Yeah I'm a former of this variety. Did I write this? I thought Fark wasn't my personal erotica site? Not that I want this to happen, just that it's my apocalypse 2020 finale pet theory....

/Voted Biden
//Enthusiastically!
///Blue Tsunami!


Doomer not former. Not preview is still best!!!
 
2020-10-28 8:33:16 PM  
I mean, yeah, that's what they do. They cheat to win to stay in power and stay rich and keep their friends rich. They suppress votes and gerrymander to win. IT IS WHAT THEY DO.
 
2020-10-28 8:33:54 PM  
That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.
 
2020-10-28 8:34:01 PM  
Try it. see what happens.

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2020-10-28 8:34:03 PM  

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


Then what?
 
2020-10-28 8:34:20 PM  
If they steal the election, America will burn. Millions of Americans will be taking unauthorized tours of the White House and all Trump properties.
 
2020-10-28 8:34:49 PM  

lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.


I meant... attempted fascism unlike attempted murder aint a crime but it ought to be.
 
2020-10-28 8:35:48 PM  
F*cking Justice Beerbro.

Say what you will about Gorsuch's stolen seat, at least he's got an IQ above room temperature.
 
2020-10-28 8:36:34 PM  

Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.


Aww, you think they care about laws. How cute.
 
2020-10-28 8:37:03 PM  

lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.


Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?
 
2020-10-28 8:37:45 PM  

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?


We tear them to pieces with our bare hands.
 
2020-10-28 8:38:02 PM  

Catlenfell: Of all the people to fight for, they're fight for Trump


Trump is the convenient puppet, nothing more.

McConnell is fighting to keep minority tyranny forever.
 
2020-10-28 8:38:07 PM  

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?


Tear gas and beatings for all!
 
2020-10-28 8:40:23 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Try it. see what happens.

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I'd like to see that, but the cynic in me says that Americans are too brainwashed and domesticated to do that, even in the face of blatant tyranny.
 
2020-10-28 8:41:34 PM  
(Stolen) elections have consequences.
If Trump & the GOPniks want to delegitimize the election & Constitution, who says we need to recognize either?
That's how countries split apart.
 
2020-10-28 8:41:44 PM  

jso2897: lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.

Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?


Attempted murder is a crime. So is conspiracy. You don't have to successfully pull something off to be a criminal.
 
2020-10-28 8:42:20 PM  
It is a really good albeit maddening read.

fta: "In effect, the GOP is saying that we absolutely must have a result on election night, two and a half months before the next inauguration, but it would be wrong to start counting ballots as they come in now"

Kavanaugh is already starting to lie his ass off.

DeJoy is doing his bit.

The plan is in place.

It's a soft coup.

TFA is right, I think, It may take millions in the streets to stop the madness.

Hopefully not but still...
 
2020-10-28 8:43:37 PM  

spacechecker: Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.

Aww, you think they care about laws. How cute.


Yes, thanks for the sterling contribution.
 
2020-10-28 8:45:05 PM  
they picked the wrong president to try this. have you even heard him? he's out, he doesn't want to do it anymore. 

AkaDad: If they steal the election, America will burn. Millions of Americans will be taking unauthorized tours of the White House and all Trump properties.


tut tut. I, Sir and/or Ma'am do NOT walk thru things that are on fire. I'm not a Republican.
 
2020-10-28 8:45:06 PM  
Gearing up? They've been working hard on this for the last 34 months, and were laying groundwork for decades prior.
 
2020-10-28 8:46:32 PM  
Republicans need to stop resisting.
 
2020-10-28 8:46:59 PM  

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?


The fire hoses come out to clean off the SCOTUS steps.
 
2020-10-28 8:47:06 PM  
All the pieces are on the board, now the actual game begins.
 
2020-10-28 8:48:33 PM  

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?


Riots on a level like nothing this country's ever seen.

If he doesn't vacate after losing, entire cities will be burned right down to the plumbing.

Calls for him to leave will increasingly come from within his own party.

And then...
He'll leave.
 
2020-10-28 8:49:00 PM  

J_Kushner: (Stolen) elections have consequences.
If Trump & the GOPniks want to delegitimize the election & Constitution, who says we need to recognize either?
That's how countries split apart.


Let's face it; the West Coast is essentially its own country already.
 
2020-10-28 8:49:11 PM  
Difficulty: Trump and Biden aren't the only two candidates on the ballots. Down ticket candidates will not stand for a halt to counting ballots if their races are close. Especially if you have a Secretary of State who is in a close race.

Plus, I'm not sure the military will be happy if ballots from soldiers go uncounted.
 
2020-10-28 8:49:16 PM  

Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.


The thing is, how many elections had all states complete all voting at midnight? I'm sure few or none.
 
2020-10-28 8:49:53 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Well, they've already created a constitutional crisis, health care crisis, crisis in confidence, moral, ethical, legal crisis, ignoring an environmental crisis, foreign policy crisis, judicial crisis so might as well throw that on the pile.


But all those crises are good and easy to win!
 
2020-10-28 8:51:06 PM  

AcneVulgaris: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

wilshire: Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.

Then what?

Tear gas and beatings for all!


I've never owned a gun in my life. Not a half hour ago I was looking at rifles.

My mom, who only ever tries to see the good in anything, told me today she expects civil war 2 to break out if the GOP is allowed to steal the election, again, for a 3rd time. 2000, 2016 & 2020.

Never ever ever has my mom come anywhere near expressing this sort of an opinion. Both her and I have been gifted in seeing the way things are going to break. My 6th sense has kept me out of some major f*cking trouble my whole life, and it's been going off like fire alarm bells since the day RBG died.

I've made it very clear here, on fark, how scared I feel and i'm not an easily made fearful person. 2016 was the same. I knew before it was called trump would be declared winner, and I knew immediately we'd be f*cked. I wasn't wrong then and I hope like hell i'm wrong this time.
 
2020-10-28 8:51:15 PM  
I've been saying this for a couple of months. Republicans will shut down counting on election night in states where Trump is ahead.

In Wisconsin, even the in-person early votes are absentee votes, requiring placing the ballot in a sealed envelope with two signatures (voter & witness) on the outside.

It's a perfect opportunity to disqualify those votes, by saying a signature does not precisely match the one on file.

Wisconsin absentee ballots are going to be nationally famous like Florida hanging chads.
 
2020-10-28 8:52:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Difficulty: Trump and Biden aren't the only two candidates on the ballots. Down ticket candidates will not stand for a halt to counting ballots if their races are close. Especially if you have a Secretary of State who is in a close race.

Plus, I'm not sure the military will be happy if ballots from soldiers go uncounted.


Republicans won't care. We've seen many times they'll sacrifice each other and throw anyone under the bus for their own personal gains. Long as they can steal the election they can ignore everyone's vote.
 
2020-10-28 8:53:36 PM  
At this point, I see it as doubtful for really one reason.

It'd be bad for business.

That's it really.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:02 PM  
Oh and mom also said if biden doesn't win she will NEVER pay federal taxes again. She said she'll open an escrow account and dump it all there and fight against ever paying it. My mom hasn't done an illegal thing in her life. Just espousing that statement is not in tune with my mom. For her to even say it is absolutely incredible just on its face.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:19 PM  
quatchi:

TFA is right, I think, It may take millions in the streets to stop the madness.

Hopefully not but still...


"There will be blood." - Malcolm Nance on what the post election atmosphere in America is going to be like.

Any attempts to undermine the election results are going to awaken America's putrid taste for violence.

Imagine the violence of the Minneapolis riots with a crowd this size:
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The GOP will eventually relent once they realize that the cost of continuing to support a low-rent loser like Trump in the face of unprecedented social unrest will not be worth it.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:27 PM  
Also,

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2020-10-28 8:55:41 PM  

Kubo: Go for it.

If this election isn't close and the right legislatively cheats its way to "victory," I'll see you on the Supreme Court steps, placard in hand, along with what I'm guessing will be close to millions of my friends.


What caliber does a placard use?
 
2020-10-28 8:55:49 PM  

austerity101: jso2897: lolmao500: And they wont be put against the wall for it because attempted murder just like attempted fascism aint a real crime.

Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?

Attempted murder is a crime. So is conspiracy. You don't have to successfully pull something off to be a criminal.


Yeah but I've never seen politicians being arrested for conspiracy to overthrow democracy. The entire GOP, their lawyers, fox news and OANN should be put under arrest for conspiracy to install a fascist state and all hanged by the neck.
 
2020-10-28 8:55:52 PM  

whosits_112: Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.

The thing is, how many elections had all states complete all voting at midnight? I'm sure few or none.


None. Exactly none. The result may be known before that based on lots of things, but none of them is the answer.
 
2020-10-28 8:56:39 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Try it. see what happens.

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2020-10-28 8:58:23 PM  
I was with him right up until here: But this strategy depends on rank-and-file Democrats simply sitting and taking it. Furious outbreaks of mass popular protest have toppled tyrannical regimes many times in the past, from France in 1789, to most of Europe in 1848, to most of Eastern Europe in the early 1990s, to the Arab Spring in 2011, or the ongoing mass protests against the dictatorship in Belarus. (Not all of these turned out that well, but it proves the point.)

..when I detected another pro-Democrat Purge fantasy in progress.

This works really well as a tool to prevent anxiety, because if La Revolucion fails to show up on your doorstep with a gun and a Molotov for ya, you can just blame the lazy American public for not toppling the tyrannical regime - not that the author is even able to tell himself all these movements are successful.

I sat at home and told everyone on the internet I was ready to fight! Why didn't they come get me?

Our underclass is tired, and they still buy the fantasy that if they work harder things will get better. And many of them are like TFA writer - they think someone else will start the revolution for them and they can just join up. Toppling a regime isn't just a protest, that's a coup he's after. Not a few changes in laws - like what BLM has managed - but removing an entire administration. You need to start stockpiling weapons, forming cells and training NOW if you want to be ready for January 20th. November 4th is out of the question.

No, the GOP are betting that Democrats in power will sit still and take it, and disavow any protest, violence or property damage that happens to be done by the rank and file. And that probably we won't manage a political coup in the middle of multiple crises which include a farking pandemic. Evidence suggests this is a good bet to make.

If you zip right to a coup as the next logical step in this process, you get to feel justified sitting on your butt for anything less. Oh well. I voted. Until the coup shows up, what's on TV? It's a power fantasy that creates total stagnation and it's just sad.
 
2020-10-28 8:59:33 PM  
Author was touching himself and crying while typing that, 100%.
 
2020-10-28 9:02:50 PM  

Zaphod42: whosits_112: Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.

The thing is, how many elections had all states complete all voting at midnight? I'm sure few or none.

None. Exactly none. The result may be known before that based on lots of things, but none of them is the answer.


And if they try to take it to court, that argument may sink them.

If it goes to the Supreme Court, I can only see Thomas, Kavanaugh, and Coney-Barrett going along with thr GOP. I don't think Gorsuch and Roberts would (though I could obviously be wrong).
 
2020-10-28 9:03:15 PM  

Professor_Doctor: That leads to the final part of the plan: Republicans will try to stop the count as soon as possible on Election Day, probably by midnight that night.

It is this part here and what follows that basically amounts to "and then Republicans perform literal magic."

I agree that the Republicans are definitely trying to suppress the votes, but I think the effort to stop early vote counting amounts more to just being the petty dicks that they are rather than part of an elaborate scheme. If they wanted the law changed to say that the counting has to stop at midnight, they should have submitted that as a bill and had the governor sign it. Most of their legal challenges now are appealing judges that have attempted to ease the issues that COVID has caused which they say circumvent their authority. Not that they wouldn't be hypocritical enough to try, but it puts them in a weird legal position to say that the state laws are sacrosanct and also that the state laws need to be arbitrarily ignored.


I very much agree with what you said.  If this does happen, a simple solution would be for states to start counting votes in the order received... the last to be counted being those cast on election day.
 
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