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2020-10-28 12:29:11 PM  
I'd love to get one of those and toodle around in it. But at what it would cost to ship it to me, I'd be better off getting a real golf cart with something like a warranty.
 
2020-10-28 3:42:48 PM  
That was fun. A cool look at a simple and surprisingly well made vehicle. Thanks subs.
 
2020-10-28 4:13:01 PM  

Nadie_AZ: That was fun. A cool look at a simple and surprisingly well made vehicle. Thanks subs.


If you haven't seen the whole series you need to watch it.  It's one of the funniest things on the interwebs these days.  Taking it to a track day was just the pinnacle of absurdity.

Changli is actually using some of his comments in their advertising.
 
2020-10-28 4:33:38 PM  
There are quite a few video reviews on that car, nearly all of them are amazingly positive. I really want one for driving around the yard drunk.
 
2020-10-28 4:47:11 PM  
If it's anything like the cheap Chinese powerwheels knock-offs on Amazon that relatives keep giving my kids, it'll work for like two charges at best, the battery lasts 5 minutes, and some parts of it arrive broken, possibly including the power switch.
 
2020-10-28 4:55:55 PM  

fallingcow: If it's anything like the cheap Chinese powerwheels knock-offs on Amazon that relatives keep giving my kids, it'll work for like two charges at best, the battery lasts 5 minutes, and some parts of it arrive broken, possibly including the power switch.


And if it's anything like your mom, it sucks.

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2020-10-28 5:01:03 PM  
Our subdivision allows NEVs (Golf Carts, etc) to operate on streets as long as they have working front and rear lights, a horn, and display a reflective triangle on the back.

Considering that even a modestly optioned golf cart goes for close to $3k, getting one of these with upgraded batteries and a larger motor would be a bargain.

Is it safe in an accident?  No
Will it last a decade or more with reasonable care, and kept under a covered area?  Possibly
Would it be fun to putt around on to make beer store runs?  Hell yeah.

There are tons of similar vehicles on Alibaba.

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$1500 plus shipping.
 
2020-10-28 5:01:54 PM  

Ignoramist: fallingcow: If it's anything like the cheap Chinese powerwheels knock-offs on Amazon that relatives keep giving my kids, it'll work for like two charges at best, the battery lasts 5 minutes, and some parts of it arrive broken, possibly including the power switch.

And if it's anything like your mom, it sucks.

Equally relevant


I dunno, watched the video, didn't seem so far off. Looks like a good part of the cost savings is "didn't do QC".
 
2020-10-28 5:30:54 PM  
If it is made magically affordable, you can bet the labor or environment was not well treated. But like with those $20 "must have" dresses every season, it is easiest not to think about that.
 
2020-10-28 6:03:21 PM  
I like how he keeps mentioning cost and the fact that no way in hell it could be done in the U.S.

And thus endeth our discussion on U.S. economics and trade unions.
 
2020-10-28 6:12:32 PM  
It is possible, given that it is an electric car, that there are some kind of subsidies involved.   But still, that price....

(Just can't figure out where I could drive it around here.   And Canadian winters would be bad.)
 
2020-10-28 7:00:19 PM  

Frozit: It is possible, given that it is an electric car, that there are some kind of subsidies involved.   But still, that price....


No subsidies.. Look on alibaba.com for electric cars. Those are out-the-factory-door prices.

Shipping from China is the largest secondary expense in buying one.
 
2020-10-28 7:41:09 PM  

Ignoramist: fallingcow: If it's anything like the cheap Chinese powerwheels knock-offs on Amazon that relatives keep giving my kids, it'll work for like two charges at best, the battery lasts 5 minutes, and some parts of it arrive broken, possibly including the power switch.

And if it's anything like your mom, it sucks.

Equally relevant


Proof that a 'your mom' joke can find it's way into any thread.
 
2020-10-28 8:24:14 PM  
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Proud manufacturer.
 
2020-10-28 8:26:42 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Nadie_AZ: That was fun. A cool look at a simple and surprisingly well made vehicle. Thanks subs.

If you haven't seen the whole series you need to watch it.  It's one of the funniest things on the interwebs these days.  Taking it to a track day was just the pinnacle of absurdity.

Changli is actually using some of his comments in their advertising.


I watched the unboxing, which I think was on Jalopnik. And then I kind of left it. I had no idea that he was ... having fun with it.

For this kind of product, there will be scoffing and snorting. Everyone will turn back to their Tesla discussions. But to me, it is a drumbeat off in the distance. This is  a small simple vehicle put together to solve a real problem that people have. As it turns out, there are billions of people who want a car and have trouble getting one. Is it easier for a company like Tesla to mass produce vehicles like this, or to make their high end vehicles? Well, we know the answer. Tesla can not make these little vehicles at a profit and will not even try.

It is more likely that Changli will keep serving its market and then move up on the value-added scale. They will make profits slowly and just keep augmenting a successful system. They will earn and learn instead of skimming cream from the market.

The market continues to develop. It is fun to watch. If mass markets are going to drive development, this undue focus on the US and Europe means that most auto companies have already taken their eye off the ball.
 
2020-10-28 8:32:38 PM  

markie_farkie: Our subdivision allows NEVs (Golf Carts, etc) to operate on streets as long as they have working front and rear lights, a horn, and display a reflective triangle on the back.

Considering that even a modestly optioned golf cart goes for close to $3k, getting one of these with upgraded batteries and a larger motor would be a bargain.

Is it safe in an accident?  No
Will it last a decade or more with reasonable care, and kept under a covered area?  Possibly
Would it be fun to putt around on to make beer store runs?  Hell yeah.

There are tons of similar vehicles on Alibaba.

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$1500 plus shipping.


One more thing you'd better add to that list is "front brakes." And "some sort of seat belt."

I saw the video series on Jalopnik about the Changli. As they say, for the price it's absolutely impressive as all hell, and makes golf carts that cost twice as much look like a joke. But it has REAR BRAKES ONLY... Which is fine for something that limits out at ~25mph with no load on flatland because that's all a 1HP motor can do. Plus, it's nearly impossible to overturn a vehicle with rear-only brakes without deliberate intention, which matters for a vehicle that's very likely to be the owner's first car.

But if you're going to put in a 3 or 5HP motor, which would roughly double its max speed to 50mph, you need front brakes even on dry pavement unless the objective is to helplessly fishtail into a collision. And a seat belt, unless you want to risk experiencing having the steering wheel punch your chest in.
 
2020-10-28 8:48:54 PM  
Get a used Mitsubishi i-MiEV. Street legal, 60-80 miles of range, 83 MPH top speed, airbags, brakes all around with ABS, etc. They're going for around $6K on AutoTrader. I had one on a lease and it was surprisingly good for what it was.

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2020-10-28 9:27:35 PM  

fastfxr: I like how he keeps mentioning cost and the fact that no way in hell it could be done in the U.S.

And thus endeth our discussion on U.S. economics and trade unions.


From my experience with dealing with Chinese vendors, profit margin is barely considered in the costs of material and parts. A Chinese vendor is happy with a 5% profit margin where an American vendor wants their 20%+. For most Chinese, making a little per part, but making a lot of them gets you rich. In American, selling less for more money seems to be the thought of making it rich.
 
2020-10-28 9:51:00 PM  

aarond12: Get a used Mitsubishi i-MiEV. Street legal, 60-80 miles of range, 83 MPH top speed, airbags, brakes all around with ABS, etc. They're going for around $6K on AutoTrader. I had one on a lease and it was surprisingly good for what it was.

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I bought a 2012 iMieV well into 2013, and I still have it. Lovely car for the two point five miles to the commuter rail park and ride (if I ever end up back in the office). If you live where it snows, get a 2014 or 2017 - both the drivers and passengers seats are heated in those models.

But the speed is limited to 81 mph (not 83), and don't expect any acceleration past about 75. I think it took me most of a minute to get from 70 to 81. Maybe some morning I'll put it at the top of rt 2 headed into Boston, floor it, and then put it into neutral to see if that fools the computer...
 
2020-10-28 10:54:24 PM  
erik-k:

My main take-away from the video is that someone's making a killing on their profit margin on golf carts. Might not be the retailer, could be farther up the chain, but someone is.
 
2020-10-28 11:13:01 PM  

Taketombo: aarond12: Get a used Mitsubishi i-MiEV. Street legal, 60-80 miles of range, 83 MPH top speed, airbags, brakes all around with ABS, etc. They're going for around $6K on AutoTrader. I had one on a lease and it was surprisingly good for what it was.

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I bought a 2012 iMieV well into 2013, and I still have it. Lovely car for the two point five miles to the commuter rail park and ride (if I ever end up back in the office). If you live where it snows, get a 2014 or 2017 - both the drivers and passengers seats are heated in those models.

But the speed is limited to 81 mph (not 83), and don't expect any acceleration past about 75. I think it took me most of a minute to get from 70 to 81. Maybe some morning I'll put it at the top of rt 2 headed into Boston, floor it, and then put it into neutral to see if that fools the computer...


Go Mitsubishi!!  I think MieVs look fun. I have an Outlander and enjoy it very much.
 
2020-10-28 11:18:31 PM  

TotallyHeadless: fastfxr: I like how he keeps mentioning cost and the fact that no way in hell it could be done in the U.S.

And thus endeth our discussion on U.S. economics and trade unions.

From my experience with dealing with Chinese vendors, profit margin is barely considered in the costs of material and parts. A Chinese vendor is happy with a 5% profit margin where an American vendor wants their 20%+. For most Chinese, making a little per part, but making a lot of them gets you rich. In American, selling less for more money seems to be the thought of making it rich.


It is almost as if someone wants to make cars, and the other guys just want to make money.

Someday, historians will mark the decline of American business as matching the rise of the MBA. Too much administration, not enough business, and no MASTERY involved at all.
 
2020-10-28 11:28:10 PM  

aarond12: Get a used Mitsubishi i-MiEV. Street legal, 60-80 miles of range, 83 MPH top speed, airbags, brakes all around with ABS, etc. They're going for around $6K on AutoTrader. I had one on a lease and it was surprisingly good for what it was.

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No joke. I would buy a MieV for 6k and use it .. for fun. "As a toy." Not denigrating you at all, believe me. I can not believe the price is that low for what you got. If I went out and spent 100K for a car that felt like a rollercoaster, I would be afraid to drive it. But a 6k MieV.... that turns me on for some reason.

One of these days, I am going to find a funky EV or plug in that some snob gave up on because the battery was degraded to 70% through miles and miles of hard use. I have free solar and a charger, so I will just crank around in my cool used cars and never pay anyone again.

Sigh. Enjoy your coolness.
 
2020-10-29 3:18:21 AM  
Made by Chinese Muslims?
 
2020-10-29 8:23:08 AM  

fastfxr: I like how he keeps mentioning cost and the fact that no way in hell it could be done in the U.S.

And thus endeth our discussion on U.S. economics and trade unions.


And living wages, and health insurance, and air we can't see and taste...

Jacob Marley, everyone.
 
2020-10-29 8:26:52 AM  

fallingcow: erik-k:

My main take-away from the video is that someone's making a killing on their profit margin on golf carts. Might not be the retailer, could be farther up the chain, but someone is.


That's the business they should target. And the modern day equivalent of horses: the large quad bikes.
 
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