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2020-10-27 10:50:02 PM  
Well they're clearly not making any money selling motorcycles so they need to try something. But this isn't it; I sincerely doubt their motoring clientele would want to be caught dead riding one of these.
 
2020-10-27 10:56:55 PM  
Better headline: "Harley Davidson develops new product to follow its aging demographic."
 
2020-10-27 11:14:28 PM  
"gorgeous"?  Really?  That thing looks like a $100 Walmart beach cruiser that had an unfortunate run-in with a can of black Krylon.
 
2020-10-27 11:53:01 PM  
As ebikes go, a solid meh.
 
2020-10-28 12:04:30 AM  

mainsail: As ebikes go, a solid meh.


I went to college with the founder of Rad Power bikes. Mike the Rad Man is a visionary and an amazing entrepreneur. For his senior project he motorized (electric) a sit-on-top kayak with the throttle control in the paddle. The damn thing got up and MOVED. It was impressive. I expected no less of him.
 
2020-10-28 3:24:38 AM  
The motorcycle manufacturer is spinning out its e-bike division as a separate business

Well yeah, it's electric. HD can't sell something that doesn't leak a bunch of oil and make a shiatload of unnecessary noise.
 
2020-10-28 3:30:32 AM  
Dunno wtf is "mobility scooter", but the thing in the picture looks like a big, heavy bicycle.

Do not want.
 
2020-10-28 3:43:29 AM  
snow white tires?
The rest looks a rad retro and is nice. But, white tires?
 
2020-10-28 3:50:29 AM  
No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

I see pedals.. so I'm not sure what's electric about it.  (clicks through a slideshow)  Is it the gear shifting?  Cause I don't see any normal way to shift gears.
 
2020-10-28 4:40:35 AM  

Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.


This was my first observation. Ride it in the rain and the back tire will throw mud/water all up and down your back and head. The front will only throw water on you from the waist down.

While white tires are somewhat aesthetically pleasing in a picture, they won't stand up to use. This is a bike designed to be looked at, not ridden.
 
2020-10-28 4:52:19 AM  
I'm betting it will cost $3500
 
2020-10-28 4:53:22 AM  

Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

I see pedals.. so I'm not sure what's electric about it.  (clicks through a slideshow)  Is it the gear shifting?  Cause I don't see any normal way to shift gears.


Electric bicycle != Electric motorcycle. Many are 'power assist'. So they help you up hills and sech as you are still pedaling.
 
2020-10-28 4:53:40 AM  

Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

I see pedals.. so I'm not sure what's electric about it.  (clicks through a slideshow)  Is it the gear shifting?  Cause I don't see any normal way to shift gears.


It's got a mid-drive motor at the bottom bracket. In a Class 1 electric bike the motor provides assistance to pedaling, anywhere from 20% to 100% boost. In a Class 2 electric bike there is also a throttle so the bike can do all of the work for you, which is nice for getting going after a stop. Don't see a throttle, though. Or even a speedometer, which suggest it's probably a Class 1 and limited to 20MPH. I like the belt drive, but there is no gearing. That hub is too narrow to hold any gears.
 
2020-10-28 6:13:21 AM  
As a current Harley owner all I can say is "do not want."
 
2020-10-28 6:42:04 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Well they're clearly not making any money selling motorcycles so they need to try something. But this isn't it; I sincerely doubt their motoring clientele would want to be caught dead riding one of these.


ShavedOrangutan: Better headline: "Harley Davidson develops new product to follow its aging demographic."


From the looks of things, it's an attempt to make young city-dwellers with money part of their demographic. Fat old Republican men in outlying suburbs aren't going to be riding bicycles much, this wouldn't be for them.
 
2020-10-28 6:44:24 AM  
It looks clunky compared to e-bikes I've seen here in the Netherlands. Maybe they need to talk to some people who know what they're doing, like Dutch bicycle designers.
 
2020-10-28 7:15:05 AM  

Vhale: snow white tires?
The rest looks a rad retro and is nice. But, white tires?


Originally, zinc oxide was added to pure rubber as an anti-wear agent. It made the tires white. Carbon black was added to the tread/cap for other reasons, creating the classic white wall look.

Carbon black is somewhat expensive, but motorcycle and bicycle tires are not, hence they would be all white.
 
2020-10-28 7:17:02 AM  
I love bicycles.  This isn't even a good looking beach cruiser, the lines are terrible, down tube is bulky looking (yes. I know there's a motor in there).  The white tires are also terrible.
 
2020-10-28 8:24:11 AM  
Where are the loud ass pipes?  What about the oversized american flag?  How will I know it's a Harley if it doesn't leak oil? Inquiring minds need to know.
 
2020-10-28 8:53:52 AM  

NotARocketScientist: Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

This was my first observation. Ride it in the rain and the back tire will throw mud/water all up and down your back and head. The front will only throw water on you from the waist down.

While white tires are somewhat aesthetically pleasing in a picture, they won't stand up to use. This is a bike designed to be looked at, not ridden.


They'll be add-ons just like the Rad power bike.  (but at 2x the cost)
 
2020-10-28 9:08:54 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Well they're clearly not making any money selling motorcycles so they need to try something. But this isn't it; I sincerely doubt their motoring clientele would want to be caught dead riding one of these.


I have two Harleys and am interested in this eBike.  Depends on the price and range.
 
2020-10-28 11:30:45 AM  
Harley Davidson - You can get better but you can't pay more!
 
2020-10-28 11:31:22 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Well they're clearly not making any money selling motorcycles so they need to try something. But this isn't it; I sincerely doubt their motoring clientele would want to be caught dead riding one of these.


Not until they come up with a "bad ass" costume to go with it.

brum brum brum
 
2020-10-28 11:43:15 AM  
thats okay... after running Sturgis during a farking lethal pandemic...anyone left alive who wants a "REAL" Harley Davidson will have plenty of used models available fairly soon... might have to use some goo gone to remove the Trump stickers, and some bleach on the seats though
 
2020-10-28 12:28:16 PM  

Stratohead: thats okay... after running Sturgis during a farking lethal pandemic...anyone left alive who wants a "REAL" Harley Davidson will have plenty of used models available fairly soon... might have to use some goo gone to remove the Trump stickers, and some bleach on the seats though


I mean, 60% of the bikes on any given Craigslist at any given time are low mile garage queen Harleys.
 
2020-10-28 1:42:58 PM  

freakdiablo: Where are the loud ass pipes?  What about the oversized american flag?  How will I know it's a Harley if it doesn't leak oil? Inquiring minds need to know.


It will leak battery acid instead.
 
2020-10-28 3:01:23 PM  

Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

I see pedals.. so I'm not sure what's electric about it.  (clicks through a slideshow)  Is it the gear shifting?  Cause I don't see any normal way to shift gears.


Most bicycles are sold without mud guards/fenders these days. Many bicyclists consider them excess weight, some just don't like them, much. A cargo rack usually takes the place of a rear mud guard, to hang panniers from.
 
2020-10-28 6:01:09 PM  

freakdiablo: Where are the loud ass pipes?  What about the oversized american flag?  How will I know it's a Harley if it doesn't leak oil? Inquiring minds need to know.


Just look at the rider's shirt, jacket and helmet.  I'm sure H-D will make its presence well-known - even if the buyer doesn't get the bike, he'll (you think women will?) get something to show that he's a "Harley Man".
 
2020-10-28 7:24:29 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I'm betting it will cost $3500


Yeah, for the stripped down model. If you want the pretty white sidewall tires it's gonna cost you an extra $500. And you want handlebar grips? That's another $250. More than one gear? Another $2500. What else would you like?
 
2020-10-28 7:29:10 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

I see pedals.. so I'm not sure what's electric about it.  (clicks through a slideshow)  Is it the gear shifting?  Cause I don't see any normal way to shift gears.

It's got a mid-drive motor at the bottom bracket. In a Class 1 electric bike the motor provides assistance to pedaling, anywhere from 20% to 100% boost. In a Class 2 electric bike there is also a throttle so the bike can do all of the work for you, which is nice for getting going after a stop. Don't see a throttle, though. Or even a speedometer, which suggest it's probably a Class 1 and limited to 20MPH. I like the belt drive, but there is no gearing. That hub is too narrow to hold any gears.


Gear boxes in the bottom bracket are a thing in case you were wondering. Or not.
 
2020-10-28 10:00:05 PM  

TwowheelinTim: Ed Grubermann: Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

I see pedals.. so I'm not sure what's electric about it.  (clicks through a slideshow)  Is it the gear shifting?  Cause I don't see any normal way to shift gears.

It's got a mid-drive motor at the bottom bracket. In a Class 1 electric bike the motor provides assistance to pedaling, anywhere from 20% to 100% boost. In a Class 2 electric bike there is also a throttle so the bike can do all of the work for you, which is nice for getting going after a stop. Don't see a throttle, though. Or even a speedometer, which suggest it's probably a Class 1 and limited to 20MPH. I like the belt drive, but there is no gearing. That hub is too narrow to hold any gears.

Gear boxes in the bottom bracket are a thing in case you were wondering. Or not.


Not with a motor. No room.
 
2020-10-28 10:18:24 PM  

TwowheelinTim:
Gear boxes in the bottom bracket are a thing in case you were wondering. Or not.


The complete lack of any type of gear selector on either bar should be a clear indication that it's a single speed.  I don't even see any pushbuttons for a powered gear selector.

Gearbox bicycle transmissions are pretty advanced, but I'm pretty sure there are not any 'automatic' bicycle gearbox transmissions even in the prototype stages right now.
 
2020-10-28 10:30:24 PM  

moike: TwowheelinTim:
Gear boxes in the bottom bracket are a thing in case you were wondering. Or not.

The complete lack of any type of gear selector on either bar should be a clear indication that it's a single speed.  I don't even see any pushbuttons for a powered gear selector.

Gearbox bicycle transmissions are pretty advanced, but I'm pretty sure there are not any 'automatic' bicycle gearbox transmissions even in the prototype stages right now.


I didn't take a close look at the grips. Grip shifting is a thing you know. And wireless shifting is too. Check out Shimano DI2. There's some cool sh*t out there.

And yeah, automatic bicycle transmissions have been developed. The cost and weight are prohibitive so they haven't been employed in any practical sense. I can see Hardly Riders soaking this kind of sh*t up so they have another dust collector in their garage they can brag about.
 
2020-10-28 10:36:06 PM  

Ed Grubermann: TwowheelinTim: Ed Grubermann: Alphax: No splash guards on the wheels.  Avoid puddles.

I see pedals.. so I'm not sure what's electric about it.  (clicks through a slideshow)  Is it the gear shifting?  Cause I don't see any normal way to shift gears.

It's got a mid-drive motor at the bottom bracket. In a Class 1 electric bike the motor provides assistance to pedaling, anywhere from 20% to 100% boost. In a Class 2 electric bike there is also a throttle so the bike can do all of the work for you, which is nice for getting going after a stop. Don't see a throttle, though. Or even a speedometer, which suggest it's probably a Class 1 and limited to 20MPH. I like the belt drive, but there is no gearing. That hub is too narrow to hold any gears.

Gear boxes in the bottom bracket are a thing in case you were wondering. Or not.

Not with a motor. No room.


You'd be surprised what they can squeeze into a little compartment. Have you seen Shimano's Alfine 11 speed?

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2020-10-28 11:42:30 PM  
TwowheelinTim:
I didn't take a close look at the grips. Grip shifting is a thing you know. And wireless shifting is too. Check out Shimano DI2. There's some cool sh*t out there.

Point out the grip shifters in those images on the article. Or buttons, or anything that looks like any of the currently available bicycle gear selector solutions, mechanical, wireless, or otherwise. Go ahead, I'll wait.
 
2020-10-28 11:48:24 PM  
TwowheelinTim:
You'd be surprised what they can squeeze into a little compartment. Have you seen Shimano's Alfine 11 speed?

Look at the size of the rear hub in the photo on the article and tell me where they crammed the gears.


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2020-10-28 11:58:46 PM  

moike: TwowheelinTim:
I didn't take a close look at the grips. Grip shifting is a thing you know. And wireless shifting is too. Check out Shimano DI2. There's some cool sh*t out there.

Point out the grip shifters in those images on the article. Or buttons, or anything that looks like any of the currently available bicycle gear selector solutions, mechanical, wireless, or otherwise. Go ahead, I'll wait.


I didn't look. I don't plan on it. Thanks for the suggestion though.
 
2020-10-29 12:00:58 AM  

moike: TwowheelinTim:
You'd be surprised what they can squeeze into a little compartment. Have you seen Shimano's Alfine 11 speed?

Look at the size of the rear hub in the photo on the article and tell me where they crammed the gears.


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Huh. That's a hub. Please show me where I stated that they put gears in the hub.

Hint. I didn't. I wrote they can cram a lot of gears in a small space.

Feel free to go back and read that again.

You've been drinking haven't you.
 
2020-10-29 12:12:52 AM  

moike: or anything that looks like any of the currently available bicycle gear selector solutions, mechanical, wireless, or otherwise.


Okay. I looked. I don't see anything that looks like "currently available gear selector solutions". Does that mean I'm wrong? Is it possible they've incorporated something innovative? How else are they going to sell it for $15,000?

And there are automatic bicycle transmissions, so that is a possibility.
 
2020-10-29 2:03:07 AM  
It looks like something Little Tikes would make, except done in aluminum instead of plastic.
 
2020-10-29 3:23:19 AM  
TwowheelinTim:
You've been drinking haven't you.

No, I don't drink at all.

In the meantime, I've farkled you so I remember never to engage with you in the future.

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Have a nice day.
 
2020-10-29 11:12:29 AM  
Aren't Harley Davidson motorcycles already overpriced mobility scooters? They're just expanding their line.
 
2020-10-29 11:26:06 AM  

drewogatory: Stratohead: thats okay... after running Sturgis during a farking lethal pandemic...anyone left alive who wants a "REAL" Harley Davidson will have plenty of used models available fairly soon... might have to use some goo gone to remove the Trump stickers, and some bleach on the seats though

I mean, 60% of the bikes on any given Craigslist at any given time are low mile garage queen Harleys.


back in 08, I laid out/wrecked one of my Vespa's (back when I owned several) and the claims adjustor they sent to look at the scooter was the local "Motorcycle Expert" who knew nothing about vintage Vespas , as most of his work dealt with Crotch Rocket asshats showing off badly, or Weekend Harley/GoldWing riders who just don't know how to handle large bikes...
he was overworked and didn't have time to try and source parts etc ( read: learn in an hour or two what took me over a year of research) for vintage scooters, and just punted my claim over to 'pay the man'.

when I bought the thing (US model 1975 Super 150) I paid $1200.  I over inusured at $4500...so I ended up turning a profit.
 
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