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2020-10-27 10:58:06 PM  
That show was new when my daughter was so young she was barely able to speak. But she was fascinated by the female starship captain. Called the show: "Captain of the Ship".  Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling strong, smart, competent female characters in leadership roles, at a time when that was still relatively novel. You can think back to TOS and how hard  Gene had to fight over having a female second in command.
 
2020-10-27 10:59:36 PM  

Any Pie Left: That show was new when my daughter was so young she was barely able to speak. But she was fascinated by the female starship captain. Called the show: "Captain of the Ship".  Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling strong, smart, competent female characters in leadership roles, at a time when that was still relatively novel. You can think back to TOS and how hard  Gene had to fight over having a female second in command.


DS9 did it even better (although I could see that show being a bit dark for a youngster).  Kira and Jadzia were incredibly capable, and also had the bonus actually being consistent from one episode to the next.
 
2020-10-27 11:03:07 PM  
Yes, let's build a statue to a Captain that would rather commit genocide than add 7 months to a 70-year trip.

Worst Captain ever and perfect encapsulation of the Bush II era.
 
2020-10-27 11:09:05 PM  
Hopefully that statue won't be torn down by the the Maquis Lives Matter mobs.
 
2020-10-27 11:34:51 PM  
I once saw some pretty incredible Janeway burlesque. It wasn't something I knew I needed before then, but phew boy. Did I ever.

/ Had more to do with the talented lady performing than the character.
// Why yes, she was making coffee.
/// French press.
\/ CSB
//\ There was also a number that involved Jake from Adventure Time. We don't talk about that.
 
2020-10-27 11:38:51 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Yes, let's build a statue to a Captain that would rather commit genocide than add 7 months to a 70-year trip.

Worst Captain ever and perfect encapsulation of the Bush II era.


Defeated the Borg. Defeated Q. And got her crew home way ahead of schedule with Borg enhancements and tech from the future that could be used early.

Best. Captain. Ever.
 
2020-10-27 11:47:25 PM  

Any Pie Left: That show was new when my daughter was so young she was barely able to speak. But she was fascinated by the female starship captain. Called the show: "Captain of the Ship".  Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling strong, smart, competent female characters in leadership roles, at a time when that was still relatively novel. You can think back to TOS and how hard  Gene had to fight over having a female second in command.


On the second watchthrough, it was better than I remembered and Seven was certainly a better character than I remembered.  The problem with the show is that it never really bought into its own premise of the ship being stranded far from home and having to decide if their ideals were more important than survival.  They would come close to dealing with those issues and then reset the next week.  And the finale just did Tom Paris wrong.  Let the man hug his dad for god's sake.
 
2020-10-27 11:49:07 PM  

Mentat: Any Pie Left: That show was new when my daughter was so young she was barely able to speak. But she was fascinated by the female starship captain. Called the show: "Captain of the Ship".  Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling strong, smart, competent female characters in leadership roles, at a time when that was still relatively novel. You can think back to TOS and how hard  Gene had to fight over having a female second in command.

On the second watchthrough, it was better than I remembered and Seven was certainly a better character than I remembered.  The problem with the show is that it never really bought into its own premise of the ship being stranded far from home and having to decide if their ideals were more important than survival.  They would come close to dealing with those issues and then reset the next week.  And the finale just did Tom Paris wrong.  Let the man hug his dad for god's sake.


The finale shouldv'e been a three parter. Two parts getting back, one part aftermath.

Instead, they blueballed us all.

/of course, that was nothing compared to the next finale they came up with.
 
2020-10-27 11:51:46 PM  
The bold captain, who is a fan favorite throughout the franchise

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa​a.

No.
 
2020-10-27 11:57:14 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mentat: Any Pie Left: That show was new when my daughter was so young she was barely able to speak. But she was fascinated by the female starship captain. Called the show: "Captain of the Ship".  Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling strong, smart, competent female characters in leadership roles, at a time when that was still relatively novel. You can think back to TOS and how hard  Gene had to fight over having a female second in command.

On the second watchthrough, it was better than I remembered and Seven was certainly a better character than I remembered.  The problem with the show is that it never really bought into its own premise of the ship being stranded far from home and having to decide if their ideals were more important than survival.  They would come close to dealing with those issues and then reset the next week.  And the finale just did Tom Paris wrong.  Let the man hug his dad for god's sake.

The finale shouldv'e been a three parter. Two parts getting back, one part aftermath.

Instead, they blueballed us all.

/of course, that was nothing compared to the next finale they came up with.


You mean "Captain Archr never returned home"?

/ To this day, one can still hear Scott Bakula on break from the set of CSI: New Orleans gasping a despondent "Oh, boy..."
 
2020-10-28 12:52:50 AM  
Remember that one episode where she met up with Anne Frank that was in hiding?

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2020-10-28 1:18:34 AM  
The hero of Canton, the man we call Jayne!
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2020-10-28 1:57:01 AM  

Any Pie Left: Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling


Unfortunately most of those good things are found in the concept more than the product.

The premise is fantastic--an odyssey, a fractious crew, all that. Putting a woman in command was overdue. Interesting mix of characters. Etc.

And then the show was made by throwing those things into the flaming dumpster of incompetence and taking a big lazy dump on them.

/DS9 is to a large extent the opposite: competent execution of mediocre concept
 
2020-10-28 2:18:37 AM  
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2020-10-28 3:19:45 AM  
These folks know Janeway should have been court-martialed, right?
 
2020-10-28 4:08:53 AM  

Mentat: Any Pie Left: That show was new when my daughter was so young she was barely able to speak. But she was fascinated by the female starship captain. Called the show: "Captain of the Ship".  Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling strong, smart, competent female characters in leadership roles, at a time when that was still relatively novel. You can think back to TOS and how hard  Gene had to fight over having a female second in command.

On the second watchthrough, it was better than I remembered and Seven was certainly a better character than I remembered.  The problem with the show is that it never really bought into its own premise of the ship being stranded far from home and having to decide if their ideals were more important than survival.  They would come close to dealing with those issues and then reset the next week.  And the finale just did Tom Paris wrong.  Let the man hug his dad for god's sake.


That's why I could never make it past a few episodes of this show. Well, that and the horrible acting. And the token Native American who just had to have a tribal tattoo, because ST hadn't done one of those yet. And the annoying Neelix. And the half-Klingon, half-hoomon character, because everybody loves that cantankerous Worf. And their utter failure to develop the whole Maquis/Starfleet thing. But I digress...

Get into a space battle and suffer heavy damage, but the ship's pristine in the next episode? That reminded me way too much of Lost in Space. And I hated Lost in Space.
 
2020-10-28 6:26:56 AM  
Star Trek: The Woman Driver
 
2020-10-28 7:55:38 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Get into a space battle and suffer heavy damage, but the ship's pristine in the next episode? That reminded me way too much of Lost in Space. And I hated Lost in Space.


That was the problem with the syndication model they used for distribution. They had to assume that episodes would be shown out of order. Aside from the occasional two-part episode, they couldn't carry on anything from one episode to the next. It would be very different today. I think it would be a much better show if they were able to show the effects of their isolation and long voyage over time.
 
2020-10-28 8:22:40 AM  
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Wow... a statue at Janeway's birthplace.

I really like Star Trek, a lot, even "bad" Star Trek.

But boy, I tell ya hwat, the fandom is weird.
 
2020-10-28 8:26:38 AM  
When I first watched the show I wasn't too high on it, but years later I realized that Janeway deserved to be an Admiral if for no other reason than she had to command the most piss poor group of fark ups across the galaxy.


/I also think she went back in time because she saw a world where someone promoted Harry Kim past Ensign and she didn't want to live in that world.
 
2020-10-28 9:03:00 AM  
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the back has a UFP logo on it.  there was a livestream with Kate Muldrow from California.  they had a prepared video starring Voyager cast and crew, including Richard Picard.
 
2020-10-28 9:03:22 AM  
Mulgrew.  FU autocorrext.
 
2020-10-28 9:05:10 AM  
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2020-10-28 9:07:45 AM  
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Commemorative com badges.  I did not get one
 
2020-10-28 9:08:42 AM  

SamFlagg: When I first watched the show I wasn't too high on it, but years later I realized that Janeway deserved to be an Admiral if for no other reason than she had to command the most piss poor group of fark ups across the galaxy.


Quality of the crew is the responsibility of the commander.

Ever notice when a navy ship gets involved in an accident, even if the commander wasn't directly responsible but was, say, sleeping in his cabin, he still gets relieved?

That's because ultimately the actions of the ships crew is the captain's responsibility.  If you've got someone who isn't performing, it's the captains fault for not having them trained correctly.  If they can't be trained to perform their job adequately then it's the captain's responsibility to have them removed to a position that they can be trained to do adequately, or ultimately, to relieve them of duty altogether if they can't live up to whatever standards are necessary.

Ultimately, Janeway's crew is her responsibility, *ESPECIALLY* so considering that her mission meant she was going to be effectively out of control of the Federation for an extended period of time.  It's her failings as a commander that led to the crew being piss poor fark-ups.
 
2020-10-28 9:19:53 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Get into a space battle and suffer heavy damage, but the ship's pristine in the next episode? That reminded me way too much of Lost in Space. And I hated Lost in Space.


Well, that I can actually excuse based upon the known facts of the Star Trek universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replica​t​or_(Star_Trek)

If you've got replicator technology, you can essentially reproduce any part you need and that gives you the ability to perform essentially perfect repairs with brand new parts with very little effort.

So while that's a problem for Lost in Space, it's not for Star Trek.   As long as you've got a working replicator, power, and raw materials, and the people or machines to perform the repairs, you can easily repair the ship to perfect working order.
 
2020-10-28 9:22:14 AM  

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2020-10-28 9:30:39 AM  
The only reason why I rank Janeway above Archer as worst captain in Starfleet is because Bakula is such a shiatty actor. Mulgrew was doing the best with what she was given.
 
2020-10-28 9:44:33 AM  

AquaTatanka: Mulgrew.  FU autocorrext.


And somehow I called Robert picardo, Richard Picard.

I'm gonna blame auto correct for that too.


It was a chilly windy morning but there was a nice crowd turn out for the event.  Quite a few star fleet uniforms
 
2020-10-28 10:23:45 AM  
whats going on inn this thread?

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2020-10-28 12:05:59 PM  

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Yes, I am.
 
2020-10-29 3:12:26 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mentat: Any Pie Left: That show was new when my daughter was so young she was barely able to speak. But she was fascinated by the female starship captain. Called the show: "Captain of the Ship".  Voyager had a lot bad in it, but a few good things as well and one of them was role modeling strong, smart, competent female characters in leadership roles, at a time when that was still relatively novel. You can think back to TOS and how hard  Gene had to fight over having a female second in command.

On the second watchthrough, it was better than I remembered and Seven was certainly a better character than I remembered.  The problem with the show is that it never really bought into its own premise of the ship being stranded far from home and having to decide if their ideals were more important than survival.  They would come close to dealing with those issues and then reset the next week.  And the finale just did Tom Paris wrong.  Let the man hug his dad for god's sake.

The finale shouldv'e been a three parter. Two parts getting back, one part aftermath.

Instead, they blueballed us all.

/of course, that was nothing compared to the next finale they came up with.


That was one of the reasons Ron Moore left the show (and part of the inspiration for his BSG reboot): the producers insisted they hit the "Restart" button at the beginning of just about ever episode.  He said something to the effect of "Just once I'd like an episode to start where all the carpets on the ship aren't spotless".
 
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