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2020-10-27 8:11:01 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

Yeah blah people are stupid amirite

You implied black people, monsatano. Weatherkiss said "Democratic Primary voters" meaning without regard to race, sex or other factors. So stop being racist by implying only black Americans voted for Biden and stop putting words into someone else's post.

Yes, because the black vote in SC had nothing to do with Biden turning his campaign around and winning the nomination.

I didn't know that having all your moderate primary opponents suddenly dropping out and all endorsing Biden just prior to Super Tuesday while the only progressive primary candidate other than Sanders stays on, which split the progressive vote, while promising nothing additional nor changing anything in his campaign that would get more people to vote for him, counted as "turning his campaign around".


I know, right? It's weird how spending 30 years building alliances and relationships can pay off in situations like that.
 
2020-10-27 8:11:28 PM  

Tabletop: the meaning will change and they can claim the Republicans did it first.


shaddap rapist?
 
2020-10-27 8:14:20 PM  
Republicans aren't even American at this point, and they're damn well deplorables.
 
2020-10-27 8:28:09 PM  

Kittypie070: Tabletop: the meaning will change and they can claim the Republicans did it first.

shaddap rapist?


No u shaddup rapist.
 
2020-10-27 8:34:38 PM  

drewsfarkthrowaway: Republicans aren't even American at this point, and they're damn well deplorables.


You misspelled human garbage.
 
2020-10-27 8:41:34 PM  

Phil McKraken: "Radical" is among the most bullshiat adjectives in contemporary politics.

The Republican Party was established to end Slavery. Accordingly, Abraham Lincoln was a "Radical Republican", a raging lib and the most consequential President in history.

More radicals, please.


The first time I heard "radical" used in politics, rather than in chemistry class, was during the Nixon years. It was another code word used to scare privileged whites, when "urban" didn't suffice, and "communist" didn't quite fit. Just another label in the propaganda that "other people are coming to take your shiat".
 
2020-10-27 8:52:05 PM  

Tabletop: jst3p: punkwrestler: jst3p: punkwrestler: Tabletop: Lol, Republicans only packed the supreme court if you accept the new definition of court packing that didn't exist a week ago. By the same method, everyone on fark is now a violent rapist.

Actually they did by any definition the kept seats on the Supreme Court and lower court open until their guy could be elected. They packed the court, there is no other definition that works.

"Packing the court" means expanding how many members there are and appointing Justices from your political party. This has been the meaning of the phrase since at least FDR threatened to do it.

As I said before, the GoP stole two seats, they did not pack the court.

Well guess what the meaning of things can change. What the Republicans did was steal like 200 judicial seats.

The meaning hasn't changed, you and others are misusing it. I think it would be fair to say they stacked the lower courts but "packing the court" still means something different. I hope if Biden wins and the dems take the Senate that they actually pack the court.

They're hoping that if they misuse it enough, the meaning will change and they can claim the Republicans did it first. It's a very dishonest way to try to win support for something.


You are defending people who can't even refer to the opposition party correctly. (Democratic Party)
 
2020-10-27 8:52:29 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

Yeah blah people are stupid amirite

You implied black people, monsatano. Weatherkiss said "Democratic Primary voters" meaning without regard to race, sex or other factors. So stop being racist by implying only black Americans voted for Biden and stop putting words into someone else's post.

Yes, because the black vote in SC had nothing to do with Biden turning his campaign around and winning the nomination.

I didn't know that having all your moderate primary opponents suddenly dropping out and all endorsing Biden just prior to Super Tuesday while the only progressive primary candidate other than Sanders stays on, which split the progressive vote, while promising nothing additional nor changing anything in his campaign that would get more people to vote for him, counted as "turning his campaign around".


One of the more revealing things I've come to see this year is that the Democrats are absolutely capable of playing dirty; problem is, they are seemingly only willing to do it when they have to subdue progressives.  When it comes to conservatives, whose votes they keep chasing for some goddamned reason, it's always, "Welp, nothing we can do.  They might say mean things about us, and besides, there are rules to follow." 

Funny, that.
 
2020-10-27 8:54:16 PM  

austerity101: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

Yeah blah people are stupid amirite

You implied black people, monsatano. Weatherkiss said "Democratic Primary voters" meaning without regard to race, sex or other factors. So stop being racist by implying only black Americans voted for Biden and stop putting words into someone else's post.

Yes, because the black vote in SC had nothing to do with Biden turning his campaign around and winning the nomination.

I didn't know that having all your moderate primary opponents suddenly dropping out and all endorsing Biden just prior to Super Tuesday while the only progressive primary candidate other than Sanders stays on, which split the progressive vote, while promising nothing additional nor changing anything in his campaign that would get more people to vote for him, counted as "turning his campaign around".

One of the more revealing things I've come to see this year is that the Democrats are absolutely capable of playing dirty; problem is, they are seemingly only willing to do it when they have to subdue progressives.  When it comes to conservatives, whose votes they keep chasing for some goddamned reason, it's always, "Welp, nothing we can do.  They might say mean things about us, and besides, there are rules to follow."

Funny, that.


The most outrageous example being Richard Neal, who won his primary against Alex Morse by smearing him with every homophobic trope in the book.
 
2020-10-27 8:56:27 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: austerity101: One of the more revealing things I've come to see this year is that the Democrats are absolutely capable of playing dirty; problem is, they are seemingly only willing to do it when they have to subdue progressives.  When it comes to conservatives, whose votes they keep chasing for some goddamned reason, it's always, "Welp, nothing we can do.  They might say mean things about us, and besides, there are rules to follow."

Funny, that.

The most outrageous example being Richard Neal, who won his primary against Alex Morse by smearing him with every homophobic trope in the book.


Absolutely.  It was utterly vile and the fact that the state Democratic Party didn't force Neal to drop out for doing that says all you need to know about their motivations.

These people are absolutely capable of some heinous shiat.  They're just not willing to do any of it against Republicans.  Maybe that'll change.  I sure as fark hope it does.
 
2020-10-27 9:03:42 PM  
Oh, and you know if Morse had pulled similar shiat on Neal, the state Democratic Party would have called for his head.
 
2020-10-27 9:13:56 PM  

UltimaCS: Other Democrats aren't helping either. Free college and healthcare are still boogeymen.


You know, historically, this idea that government is only supposed to help the elite is...rather new. Even in feudal societies, they had to do some things to make the average person's life not suck--that's why harvest was a big festival, Catholics have holidays every other day, and castles are big enough to house an entire village if it gets raided.
 
2020-10-27 9:22:45 PM  
I'm not sure farkers know what Court packing means. But they sure love saying it.
 
2020-10-27 9:29:22 PM  

UltimaCS: Other Democrats aren't helping either. Free college and healthcare are still boogeymen.


I'd settle for affordable college and healthcare.  If something doesn't change, give it another election cycle or two, at most, before we're saying things like "I'd settle for affordable gruel to eat and only mildly toxic greywater to drink."
 
2020-10-27 9:33:12 PM  

UltimaCS: Other Democrats aren't helping either. Free college and healthcare are still boogeymen.


They'd stop being boogeymen if the Democrats would stop courting conservative/Republican votes.
 
2020-10-27 9:37:03 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: codergirl42: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

Yeah blah people are stupid amirite

You implied black people, monsatano. Weatherkiss said "Democratic Primary voters" meaning without regard to race, sex or other factors. So stop being racist by implying only black Americans voted for Biden and stop putting words into someone else's post.

Yes, because the black vote in SC had nothing to do with Biden turning his campaign around and winning the nomination.

I didn't know that having all your moderate primary opponents suddenly dropping out and all endorsing Biden just prior to Super Tuesday while the only progressive primary candidate other than Sanders stays on, which split the progressive vote, while promising nothing additional nor changing anything in his campaign that would get more people to vote for him, counted as "turning his campaign around".

Its called winning

I'm sorry, who are you?


Someone that can count.
 
2020-10-27 9:40:06 PM  
This thread is Snackbar distilled.
 
2020-10-27 9:41:41 PM  

codergirl42: DarkSoulNoHope: codergirl42: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

Yeah blah people are stupid amirite

You implied black people, monsatano. Weatherkiss said "Democratic Primary voters" meaning without regard to race, sex or other factors. So stop being racist by implying only black Americans voted for Biden and stop putting words into someone else's post.

Yes, because the black vote in SC had nothing to do with Biden turning his campaign around and winning the nomination.

I didn't know that having all your moderate primary opponents suddenly dropping out and all endorsing Biden just prior to Super Tuesday while the only progressive primary candidate other than Sanders stays on, which split the progressive vote, while promising nothing additional nor changing anything in his campaign that would get more people to vote for him, counted as "turning his campaign around".

Its called winning

I'm sorry, who are you?

Someone that can count.


Well I count you as ONE, ONE TROLL!

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2020-10-27 9:45:29 PM  

qorkfiend: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

Yeah blah people are stupid amirite

You implied black people, monsatano. Weatherkiss said "Democratic Primary voters" meaning without regard to race, sex or other factors. So stop being racist by implying only black Americans voted for Biden and stop putting words into someone else's post.

Yes, because the black vote in SC had nothing to do with Biden turning his campaign around and winning the nomination.

I didn't know that having all your moderate primary opponents suddenly dropping out and all endorsing Biden just prior to Super Tuesday while the only progressive primary candidate other than Sanders stays on, which split the progressive vote, while promising nothing additional nor changing anything in his campaign that would get more people to vote for him, counted as "turning his campaign around".

I know, right? It's weird how spending 30 years building alliances and relationships can pay off in situations like that.


I didn't know Biden had a relationship with Pete Buttigieg when he was eight years old! That's creepy man!
 
2020-10-27 10:09:10 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: codergirl42: DarkSoulNoHope: codergirl42: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: DarkSoulNoHope: monsatano: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

Yeah blah people are stupid amirite

You implied black people, monsatano. Weatherkiss said "Democratic Primary voters" meaning without regard to race, sex or other factors. So stop being racist by implying only black Americans voted for Biden and stop putting words into someone else's post.

Yes, because the black vote in SC had nothing to do with Biden turning his campaign around and winning the nomination.

I didn't know that having all your moderate primary opponents suddenly dropping out and all endorsing Biden just prior to Super Tuesday while the only progressive primary candidate other than Sanders stays on, which split the progressive vote, while promising nothing additional nor changing anything in his campaign that would get more people to vote for him, counted as "turning his campaign around".

Its called winning

I'm sorry, who are you?

Someone that can count.

Well I count you as ONE, ONE TROLL!

[Fark user image image 498x280]


No trolls on fark.com
 
2020-10-27 10:14:04 PM  
Democrats chose Senate candidates who have rejected progressive policies. That hasn't stopped Republicans from trying to paint them as extreme.

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2020-10-27 10:47:28 PM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: Democrats chose Senate candidates who have rejected progressive policies. That hasn't stopped Republicans from trying to paint them as extreme.

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Of course we have the usual suspects in the thread saying their centrist ideas have more chance of passing, yet the same Republicans they claim they can "work with" to get those ideas through are still painting Biden as a socialist boogeyman! So what is the harm in pushing for progressive ideas when the other side is painting you as evil no matter what you do?
 
2020-10-27 11:03:33 PM  
Point of order for the headline: "The Republicans, who represent a minority of the citizens of the US, ... "
 
2020-10-27 11:05:24 PM  

hlehmann: drewsfarkthrowaway: Republicans aren't even American at this point, and they're damn well deplorables.

You misspelled human garbage.

drewsfarkthrowaway: Republicans human garbagearen't even American at this point, and they're damn well deplorables.


Must I do everything?
 
2020-10-27 11:12:13 PM  

jst3p: The meaning hasn't changed, you and others are misusing


Republicans packed the lower courts and the Supreme Court.

Sauce.

People often use "court packing" to describe changes to the size of the Supreme Court, but it's better understood as any effort to manipulate the Court's membership for partisan ends. A political party that's engaged in court packing will usually violate norms that govern who is appointed (e.g., only appoint jurists who respect precedent) and how the appointment process works (e.g., no appointments during a presidential election).

Republicans packed the courts, and now Democrats must take ameliorative measures to counter the effects of Republican court packing.
 
2020-10-28 4:03:40 AM  

nullandvoid744: jst3p: The meaning hasn't changed, you and others are misusing

Republicans packed the lower courts and the Supreme Court.

Sauce.

People often use "court packing" to describe changes to the size of the Supreme Court, but it's better understood as any effort to manipulate the Court's membership for partisan ends. A political party that's engaged in court packing will usually violate norms that govern who is appointed (e.g., only appoint jurists who respect precedent) and how the appointment process works (e.g., no appointments during a presidential election).

Republicans packed the courts, and now Democrats must take ameliorative measures to counter the effects of Republican court packing.


Date
October 27, 2020


It is "better understood" in this way because very recently many people want it to be understood this way. You are contributing to ignorance becoming reality. Stop it.
 
2020-10-28 4:53:31 AM  
Republicans' attitude that progressive people are extremely radical reminds me of this video, when you look at it in a certain way.

On Sesame Street, Grover was trying to explain the basic concept of near and far.

I imagine here that when Grover has wandered away and starts yelling "THIS IS FAAAAAR!" he is thinking in the same way that Republicans think about progressives:

He is thinking "Who is making the camera so TINY? And WHY did the people deliberately make themselves so SMALL?"

Just like Republicans think "Why have people who are politically to the left of us made themselves so extremely radical?"

In both my imaginary thoughts and the thoughts of the Republicans, it is the camera's fault for moving away from Grover, and the progressives' fault for moving away from Republican ideas.

This is a delusion on both counts. The camera did not move- Grover did. And progressives did not move- the Republicans did.

They are the radicals- NOT us!

Sesame Street: Grover Near and Far | #ThrowbackThursday
Youtube E9IuXEwpU7U
 
2020-10-28 7:57:39 AM  

ZMugg: There is a reason they are called the American Taliban.


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2020-10-28 11:03:31 AM  

jst3p: Date
October 27, 2020

It is "better understood" in this way because very recently many people want it to be understood this way. You are contributing to ignorance becoming reality. Stop it.


This is the internet.

People on the internet are never wrong about what something means, if the use it wrong then they've changed the definition.  And if someone points out how absurd that is, go straight to name-calling, insults, and rage.
 
2020-10-28 5:50:05 PM  

LordJiro: punkwrestler: Weatherkiss: Yeah, too bad Democratic Primary voters decided the best possible choice for President is the guy who says his best selling point is that he can work with Republicans. We get the government we deserve.

You mean the guy who actually has a chance to win. Do you really think any other candidate would be doing as well as Biden right now?

The first step is getting rid of trump, if we can't do that there is no next step and none of the opponents could do that.

This. Bernie lost to Biden worse than he lost to Hillary. Complain about 'dirty tricks' all you like, but that's politics, and if Bernie couldn't win against the Democratic political 'machine', he didn't stand a chance against the Republicans if he became an actual threat to them.

Get Democrats into power. Vote for them reliably in the general elections. But build up progressive candidates at all levels, using the threat of primaries to pull whichever Democrat wins to the left. Keep protesting, keep contacting your Congresspeople, and keep working. If we don't keep working to pull the country left, no matter who is in office, it's incredibly easy to lose any ground we take.

This may be our last chance to use that strategy. If Trump wins* again, and the GOP keeps control of the Senate, there may very well be no peaceful way to get rid of them in 2022 or 2024.

Revolutions might sound good on the surface, and past ones may be romanticized (see: references to the guillotine), but they should be avoided if at all possible, lest we win and end up with a Robespierre or a Stalin, or lose and end up with a right-wing dictatorship that has a shiny new excuse to harass, imprison and murder dissidents by the millions.


This-those who want more progressive candidates need to win a primary and not get all butt hurt and hurt their own cause thinking they can punish the moderate wing of their own coalition into future compliance by letting the opposing party win
 
2020-10-28 6:38:28 PM  

Kubo: Which is why no Democratic politician should give two sh*ts about how their policies will be cast by the right. Run on a platform that you believe in, no matter how progressive. Republicans will lie either way.


Preach!!!
 
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