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2020-10-27 9:31:17 AM  
41 votes:
Interesting that the missing ballots were all from battleground states (Florida, Texas, PA).

And WTF is up with this:

Bain had managed to send an absentee ballot from California during the 2018 midterm elections with no issues, he told the Dallas Morning News. But when he showed up at a polling site for a local race in Dallas last year, officials told him an issue with his 2018 vote meant he could not enter the polls.

The voter suppression is strong in Texas. Everything's bigger in Texas.
 
2020-10-27 9:42:53 AM  
34 votes:
Subby might think spiffy. I think complete and utter failure as a nation.

Maybe failure is the wrong word, deliberate sabotage?
 
2020-10-27 12:22:55 PM  
26 votes:
This shiat right here is exactly what the egregious ratfarking of the Post Office was intended to do.
 
Ant
2020-10-27 12:24:15 PM  
19 votes:
We need compulsory voting. Try you voter suppression crap when voting is mandatory, assholes. Charge anyone trying this suppression and discouragement shiat with a felony.
 
2020-10-27 12:24:25 PM  
14 votes:
I'm taking no chances here in MI. Republican legislature is going to do everything they can to fark this shiat up, and lee chatfield is a farking rat who will do whatever he can to give this state to trump.

I'll risk dying if it means I get to protect my kids from dystopian hell.
 
2020-10-27 12:28:54 PM  
13 votes:

Ant: We need compulsory voting. Try you voter suppression crap when voting is mandatory, assholes. Charge anyone trying this suppression and discouragement shiat with a felony.


And...
1. Mandatory hand-marked paper ballots (no more of this "the machine failed, your vote doesn't count")
2. No signature verification or missing cover envelope cr@p on absentee ballots
3. Voter ID: if you're on the rolls and haven't yet voted, your vote counts.  We'll take your word that you're you.
4. No more electoral college
5. Voter rolls do not get purged except on receipt of a notarised transfer signed by the voter
6. Voting Rights Act supervision of "problem" states is reinstated, with felony penalties for silly acts.
 
2020-10-27 12:22:15 PM  
12 votes:
Everyone who said "there's no enthusiasm" can go fark themselves
 
2020-10-27 9:20:33 AM  
10 votes:
By next election, after Trump has been reelected and only in-person voting is allowed, the crowds and ensuing riots at polling locations across America will be a sight to see.
 
2020-10-27 12:42:47 PM  
9 votes:
My 97 year old stepfather is in hospice (at home), and he's planning to drag himself and his O2 bottle to vote in person in PA.  Thanks for making him have to do that, you civic minded Republic party animals.
 
2020-10-27 12:33:49 PM  
9 votes:
In certain states (notably TX) they don't even have to notify voters if their mail-in ballot was rejected until AFTER the election.

Ridiculous.
 
2020-10-27 12:28:13 PM  
9 votes:

Gubbo: Subby might think spiffy. I think complete and utter failure as a nation.

Maybe failure is the wrong word, deliberate sabotage?


Subby, may have been thinking it was spiffy that these people are not letting anything from stopping their vote from counting. That despite all the voter suppression efforts by Trump and the Republicans, voters find a way.

/not subby
 
2020-10-27 12:38:26 PM  
7 votes:
Don't blame them one bit. Got confirmation my ballot was received and accepted after a too long wait and we dropped it off in ballot box outside county elections office. We were going to go vote in person provisional ballot since it seemed suspicious that it didn't post in a day or two. Live in centrist county where Trump won't take county but a couple of Republicans will win (the sheriff is unopposed for farkssake), but I think it is just the sheer amount of remote votes that caused delays on this first universal mail in election here. Plenty of people were early voting in person and that staff is spread a bit thin. Good luck people. I hope your vote isn't too burdensome, but if it is, I hope you get a good story and outcome out of it.
 
2020-10-27 10:22:53 AM  
7 votes:

Walker: Interesting that the missing ballots were all from battleground states (Florida, Texas, PA).

And WTF is up with this:

Bain had managed to send an absentee ballot from California during the 2018 midterm elections with no issues, he told the Dallas Morning News. But when he showed up at a polling site for a local race in Dallas last year, officials told him an issue with his 2018 vote meant he could not enter the polls.

The voter suppression is strong in Texas. Everything's bigger in Texas.


Anecdote:

Me and my wife both had our ballots fail to arrive, and we're in DC. Not exactly a contested spot.
 
2020-10-27 12:43:26 PM  
6 votes:
Honest to God this country is falling apart. We can't even handle the mail.

Dejoy should be hanged.
 
2020-10-27 12:43:05 PM  
6 votes:

Alley Rat: This shiat right here is exactly what the egregious ratfarking of the Post Office was intended to do.


The fact that this was done in such a blatantly obvious way tells you how much they care about any norm or rule of law.  They will do anything to win.
 
2020-10-27 12:32:03 PM  
6 votes:

edmo: By next election, after Trump has been reelected and only in-person voting is allowed, the crowds and ensuing riots at polling locations across America will be a sight to see.


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2020-10-27 12:23:01 PM  
6 votes:
And the MAGAts actually think that they can keep these people away from the voting places with their flags and horns? How cute!
 
2020-10-27 12:42:39 PM  
5 votes:
Good on all the sane people who are taking this seriously.

A heart FU to the GOP dirty tricks going on all over.
 
2020-10-27 12:37:59 PM  
5 votes:
Hero tag too busy saluting patriots who are sacrificing their time and money to fight against the corrupt GOP
 
2020-10-27 12:22:05 PM  
5 votes:
"spiffy" FOH is it "spiffy" when kids have a lemonade stand to help afford their insulin too?
 
2020-10-27 1:25:54 PM  
4 votes:

JohnnyApocalypse: If you are marked as getting a mail-in ballot, but then vote in person, you are given a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are always counted last, and this will likely be Trump's avenue of contesting vote counts. Delaying the mail for ballots to arrive may be specifically a design to increase the count of provisional ballots.

Provisional ballots are cast in two cases:
1. the above, designated to get a mail-in ballot, but then voting in person... it's provisional to ensure you didn't also vote by mail-in, and
2. if you arrive to vote but you aren't on the rolls for that voting precinct. This might happen because you're voting in the wrong precinct, or you were not on the voter rolls, being purged for some reason (valid or otherwise).

In every case of a provisional ballot, it's a flag that things might not be on the up and up, so poll workers need to track down the voter's information to be sure they should legitimately able to vote, and they haven't voted twice. So a "provisional ballot" is a "problematic ballot". Those are the ones that Trump and various secretaries of state will go after to limit or throw out.


In PA if you requested a mail in ballot, but then decide to vote in person, you must take the mail in ballot and BOTH envelopes to your polling and turn them all in before they will let you vote. A provisional ballot doesn't come into play. However, not a lot of folks know about this rule, and if they just throw away their mail in ballot without checking on the rules, they won't be allowed to vote at all.

Please, if you live in PA, make sure everyone you know are aware of the rules. Ty.
 
2020-10-27 12:53:31 PM  
4 votes:
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Brought mine in to the BoE and got this in my email the next day, fark anyone who tries to make it harder especially Trump and his cronies.
 
2020-10-27 12:42:01 PM  
4 votes:
Mine is going UPS to a friend's house who lives a 10 minute walk from city hall.  Completely bypassing the USPS.  Of course, I'm also not going to rest until I see it has been counted on the WI election commission website.  And if it doesn't, hopefully he'll be able to tell me immediately upon turning it in if they accepted it.  And if they decide to contest it I'm flying back there, which will make me extra f&cking pissed off because then I won't be able to go to any customer site for two weeks because I was in plagueland.
 
2020-10-27 12:37:03 PM  
4 votes:
This is why I stopped checking 538. The polls are meaningless. Read Kavanaugh's opinion on his Wisconsin ruling.  Read Barrett's past opinions. Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett worked with Bush's campaign to stop the recount.
By hook or crook, Trump is winning next week. Republicans will suppress enough votes to make the election close, and jam it through the courts.  This election was decided before it began.
 
2020-10-27 12:24:47 PM  
4 votes:

Surrender your boo-tah: Everyone who said "there's no enthusiasm" can go fark themselves


You missed the rest of the sentence:

"There's no enthusiasm...for another four years of Donald Trump"
 
2020-10-27 1:15:13 PM  
3 votes:
Delaware here. My first absentee ballot was mailed on Sept 21. I let 2 weeks go by then called my county board of elections. She immediately invalidated the ballot and mailed me a new one. That was Oct 7. The replacement ballot arrived on Oct 9. My son's ballot arrived with no issues whatsoever. We filled them out together, and the following Wednesday I took them both to a drop box. 4 days later both were considered received, verified and counted.

The USPS (obviously) is purposely disenfranchising as many people as possible in red and blue states, and I fear not enough of the disenfranchised will be as tenacious as I was in making sure I was able to vote.
 
2020-10-27 1:05:18 PM  
3 votes:

Alley Rat: This shiat right here is exactly what the egregious ratfarking of the Post Office was intended to do.


My wife runs some mom-support Facebook groups, so people will send her stuff. A small parcel that was mailed from Wisconsin September 23 arrived at our home here in Vancouver just yesterday.

I get cheap, free-shipping aliexpress crap from China quicker than that.
 
2020-10-27 12:38:27 PM  
3 votes:

ElwoodCuse: "spiffy" FOH is it "spiffy" when kids have a lemonade stand to help afford their insulin too?


No but it is Spiffy when a kid confronts a pharma CEO and says "I am not letting you try to kill me for profit" and kicks him in the shin
 
2020-10-27 12:36:54 PM  
3 votes:

Truck Fump: Ant: We need compulsory voting. Try you voter suppression crap when voting is mandatory, assholes. Charge anyone trying this suppression and discouragement shiat with a felony.

And...
1. Mandatory hand-marked paper ballots (no more of this "the machine failed, your vote doesn't count")
2. No signature verification or missing cover envelope cr@p on absentee ballots
3. Voter ID: if you're on the rolls and haven't yet voted, your vote counts.  We'll take your word that you're you.
4. No more electoral college
5. Voter rolls do not get purged except on receipt of a notarised transfer signed by the voter
6. Voting Rights Act supervision of "problem" states is reinstated, with felony penalties for silly acts.


On 6, isolating the problem states is what gave the SC the justification to eliminate it. All states are now problem states.
 
2020-10-27 1:15:41 PM  
2 votes:
If you are marked as getting a mail-in ballot, but then vote in person, you are given a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are always counted last, and this will likely be Trump's avenue of contesting vote counts. Delaying the mail for ballots to arrive may be specifically a design to increase the count of provisional ballots.

Provisional ballots are cast in two cases:
1. the above, designated to get a mail-in ballot, but then voting in person... it's provisional to ensure you didn't also vote by mail-in, and
2. if you arrive to vote but you aren't on the rolls for that voting precinct. This might happen because you're voting in the wrong precinct, or you were not on the voter rolls, being purged for some reason (valid or otherwise).

In every case of a provisional ballot, it's a flag that things might not be on the up and up, so poll workers need to track down the voter's information to be sure they should legitimately able to vote, and they haven't voted twice. So a "provisional ballot" is a "problematic ballot". Those are the ones that Trump and various secretaries of state will go after to limit or throw out.
 
2020-10-27 12:46:54 PM  
2 votes:

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: This is why I stopped checking 538. The polls are meaningless. Read Kavanaugh's opinion on his Wisconsin ruling.  Read Barrett's past opinions. Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett worked with Bush's campaign to stop the recount.
By hook or crook, Trump is winning next week. Republicans will suppress enough votes to make the election close, and jam it through the courts.  This election was decided before it began.


Well, yeah. But at least the cool kids got to show that mean centrist lady that it wasn't "her turn".
Hope they're happy.
 
2020-10-27 12:33:11 PM  
2 votes:
I'm taking Nov. 3 as a vacation day. Probably should have asked for Nov. 4 as well, but so far this year my sups have been pretty reasonable about allowing for unrest-related transit issues.
 
2020-10-27 12:31:07 PM  
2 votes:

Truck Fump: Ant: We need compulsory voting. Try you voter suppression crap when voting is mandatory, assholes. Charge anyone trying this suppression and discouragement shiat with a felony.

And...
1. Mandatory hand-marked paper ballots (no more of this "the machine failed, your vote doesn't count")
2. No signature verification or missing cover envelope cr@p on absentee ballots
3. Voter ID: if you're on the rolls and haven't yet voted, your vote counts.  We'll take your word that you're you.
4. No more electoral college
5. Voter rolls do not get purged except on receipt of a notarised transfer signed by the voter
6. Voting Rights Act supervision of "problem" states is reinstated, with felony penalties for silly acts.


All those steps, while reasonable on the surface, would send the message that voting is important and valued for everyone. And I'm afraid that half the country just won't be able to approve of that kind of message.
 
2020-10-27 8:06:53 PM  
1 vote:
I drove 13 hours on ice Saturday to get home and fill out my ballot. Dropped it off and drove back to work so I'm getting a kick.
 
2020-10-27 5:18:43 PM  
1 vote:

Fhydra: suebhoney: JohnnyApocalypse: If you are marked as getting a mail-in ballot, but then vote in person, you are given a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are always counted last, and this will likely be Trump's avenue of contesting vote counts. Delaying the mail for ballots to arrive may be specifically a design to increase the count of provisional ballots.

Provisional ballots are cast in two cases:
1. the above, designated to get a mail-in ballot, but then voting in person... it's provisional to ensure you didn't also vote by mail-in, and
2. if you arrive to vote but you aren't on the rolls for that voting precinct. This might happen because you're voting in the wrong precinct, or you were not on the voter rolls, being purged for some reason (valid or otherwise).

In every case of a provisional ballot, it's a flag that things might not be on the up and up, so poll workers need to track down the voter's information to be sure they should legitimately able to vote, and they haven't voted twice. So a "provisional ballot" is a "problematic ballot". Those are the ones that Trump and various secretaries of state will go after to limit or throw out.

In PA if you requested a mail in ballot, but then decide to vote in person, you must take the mail in ballot and BOTH envelopes to your polling and turn them all in before they will let you vote. A provisional ballot doesn't come into play. However, not a lot of folks know about this rule, and if they just throw away their mail in ballot without checking on the rules, they won't be allowed to vote at all.

Please, if you live in PA, make sure everyone you know are aware of the rules. Ty.

Because of all the post office shenanigans, I'm glad this is wrong. PA has provisional ballots if a voter is missing their mail-in ballot: https://www.votespa.com/Voting​-in-PA/Pages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.​aspx


THANK YOU for the correction!!! I'll make sure to tell those ive been wrong and point them there.

Seriously, thank you!!
 
2020-10-27 3:53:55 PM  
1 vote:

suebhoney: JohnnyApocalypse: If you are marked as getting a mail-in ballot, but then vote in person, you are given a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are always counted last, and this will likely be Trump's avenue of contesting vote counts. Delaying the mail for ballots to arrive may be specifically a design to increase the count of provisional ballots.

Provisional ballots are cast in two cases:
1. the above, designated to get a mail-in ballot, but then voting in person... it's provisional to ensure you didn't also vote by mail-in, and
2. if you arrive to vote but you aren't on the rolls for that voting precinct. This might happen because you're voting in the wrong precinct, or you were not on the voter rolls, being purged for some reason (valid or otherwise).

In every case of a provisional ballot, it's a flag that things might not be on the up and up, so poll workers need to track down the voter's information to be sure they should legitimately able to vote, and they haven't voted twice. So a "provisional ballot" is a "problematic ballot". Those are the ones that Trump and various secretaries of state will go after to limit or throw out.

In PA if you requested a mail in ballot, but then decide to vote in person, you must take the mail in ballot and BOTH envelopes to your polling and turn them all in before they will let you vote. A provisional ballot doesn't come into play. However, not a lot of folks know about this rule, and if they just throw away their mail in ballot without checking on the rules, they won't be allowed to vote at all.

Please, if you live in PA, make sure everyone you know are aware of the rules. Ty.


Because of all the post office shenanigans, I'm glad this is wrong. PA has provisional ballots if a voter is missing their mail-in ballot: https://www.votespa.com/Votin​g-in-PA/P​ages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.aspx
 
2020-10-27 2:27:45 PM  
1 vote:

JohnnyApocalypse: suebhoney: JohnnyApocalypse: If you are marked as getting a mail-in ballot, but then vote in person, you are given a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are always counted last, and this will likely be Trump's avenue of contesting vote counts. Delaying the mail for ballots to arrive may be specifically a design to increase the count of provisional ballots.

Provisional ballots are cast in two cases:
1. the above, designated to get a mail-in ballot, but then voting in person... it's provisional to ensure you didn't also vote by mail-in, and
2. if you arrive to vote but you aren't on the rolls for that voting precinct. This might happen because you're voting in the wrong precinct, or you were not on the voter rolls, being purged for some reason (valid or otherwise).

In every case of a provisional ballot, it's a flag that things might not be on the up and up, so poll workers need to track down the voter's information to be sure they should legitimately able to vote, and they haven't voted twice. So a "provisional ballot" is a "problematic ballot". Those are the ones that Trump and various secretaries of state will go after to limit or throw out.

In PA if you requested a mail in ballot, but then decide to vote in person, you must take the mail in ballot and BOTH envelopes to your polling and turn them all in before they will let you vote. A provisional ballot doesn't come into play. However, not a lot of folks know about this rule, and if they just throw away their mail in ballot without checking on the rules, they won't be allowed to vote at all.

Please, if you live in PA, make sure everyone you know are aware of the rules. Ty.

Yes, I failed to articulate that correctly... if you are designated as mail-in, vote in person, and DON'T bring your unmarked mail-in, then you get the provisional ballot (I guess this depends upon state, whether you get a provisional or not, some don't allow it at all? Pennsylvania?). If you arrive with a filled out mail-in ballot, I believe you are allowed to turn it in there? Again, may be a state by state case. If you arrive with your mail-in, but it's not filled out, you can then vote (state by state rules allowing).


It's always best to send the voter to their state's rules so no ambiguity comes into it.

This is exactly why america should have standardized ballots and rules for voting.

50 different sets of rules doesn't work well anymore.
 
2020-10-27 1:34:23 PM  
1 vote:
Also, if you're going in person, keep this handy:

https://www.vote.org/election-protect​i​on/

It has links to ID laws, voting rights by state, and a hotline to call if you have problems at the polls. Never leave without either voting, or calling hotlines for help.

If you never got your absentee ballot, you can often talk to a supervisor at the polls, and have the absentee ballot looked up and struck off, so that your in-person ballot doesn't have to be provisional. This was what the Virginia voting office told me FWIW.
 
2020-10-27 1:27:42 PM  
1 vote:
I'm in Virginia. Registered in a blue city district.

I applied for an absentee ballot in August, never received one. Called about it, and they said it was sent out to my apartment.

Since I've been spending some time in the Appalachians, I will now be driving six hours -- each way -- to go early vote in person in my precinct. Worth it.
 
2020-10-27 1:25:11 PM  
1 vote:

Truck Fump: Ant: We need compulsory voting. Try you voter suppression crap when voting is mandatory, assholes. Charge anyone trying this suppression and discouragement shiat with a felony.

And...
1. Mandatory hand-marked paper ballots (no more of this "the machine failed, your vote doesn't count")
2. No signature verification or missing cover envelope cr@p on absentee ballots
3. Voter ID: if you're on the rolls and haven't yet voted, your vote counts.  We'll take your word that you're you.
4. No more electoral college
5. Voter rolls do not get purged except on receipt of a notarised transfer signed by the voter
6. Voting Rights Act supervision of "problem" states is reinstated, with felony penalties for silly acts.


Do all that with executive orders and tell the rubes to get farked. If they dont like it, Biden will send the national guard to kick your ass and the governors/state legislators that arent happy with it, they'll spend the rest of their lives in Gitmo.
 
2020-10-27 1:10:38 PM  
1 vote:

dsmith42: Truck Fump: Ant: We need compulsory voting. Try you voter suppression crap when voting is mandatory, assholes. Charge anyone trying this suppression and discouragement shiat with a felony.

And...
1. Mandatory hand-marked paper ballots (no more of this "the machine failed, your vote doesn't count")
2. No signature verification or missing cover envelope cr@p on absentee ballots
3. Voter ID: if you're on the rolls and haven't yet voted, your vote counts.  We'll take your word that you're you.
4. No more electoral college
5. Voter rolls do not get purged except on receipt of a notarised transfer signed by the voter
6. Voting Rights Act supervision of "problem" states is reinstated, with felony penalties for silly acts.

On 6, isolating the problem states is what gave the SC the justification to eliminate it. All states are now problem states.


The SC tossed the VRA because the formula for determing a problem state had not been updated. So much for Originalism.
 
2020-10-27 1:04:04 PM  
1 vote:

nmrsnr: Truck Fump: 5. Voter rolls do not get purged except on receipt of a notarised transfer signed by the voter

"Hi, I'm dead and would like to be removed from your voter roll, please."


Death certificates forwarded to the BOE.
 
2020-10-27 12:48:28 PM  
1 vote:

Truck Fump: 5. Voter rolls do not get purged except on receipt of a notarised transfer signed by the voter


"Hi, I'm dead and would like to be removed from your voter roll, please."
 
2020-10-27 12:41:16 PM  
1 vote:

Joshudan: Gubbo: Subby might think spiffy. I think complete and utter failure as a nation.

Maybe failure is the wrong word, deliberate sabotage?

Umm, the Spiffy part is fighting against the sabotage...I believe the subtext is "these farkers are cheating and Americans aren't letting them"

Spiffy indeed


I understand the spiffy part. It's just shameful that it has come to this.
 
2020-10-27 12:37:23 PM  
1 vote:

Gubbo: Subby might think spiffy. I think complete and utter failure as a nation.

Maybe failure is the wrong word, deliberate sabotage?


Umm, the Spiffy part is fighting against the sabotage...I believe the subtext is "these farkers are cheating and Americans aren't letting them"

Spiffy indeed
 
2020-10-27 12:32:27 PM  
1 vote:
I had something that felt like hope.

I see that was misplaced. Must have been a lull.
 
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