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(Futurism)   Political Science professor (who has a book coming out) has perhaps been reading too much military Science Fiction. Or not. Politics, News, and STEM tags fight for star system dominance   (futurism.com) divider line
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2020-10-27 8:02:53 AM  
No mention of the possibility of getting smacked down by aliens due to our bullshiat, which is what concerns Mrs. Harlee.
 
2020-10-27 8:11:25 AM  
Put Donnie in charge and it'll be a comedy.

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2020-10-27 9:46:51 AM  
Military space empire?  That dude has never been to space.  It SUCKS up there.
 
2020-10-27 10:05:17 AM  

Harlee: No mention of the possibility of getting smacked down by aliens due to our bullshiat, which is what concerns Mrs. Harlee.


She doesn't have to worry.   No aliens are going to visit.  Ever.

They almost certainly exist, of course, but space is unimaginably vast, and practical methods of interstellar travel are relatively slow.  Even at near light speed, it takes years and years to get from place to place.
 
2020-10-27 10:14:53 AM  
Humans since the Bronze Age have a spent a whole lot more time under various forms of despotisms than power-to-the-people systems.  A reversion to despotism should just be viewed as a return to the long run average.  The Enligtenment was fun, but there are more important things to more important people.
 
2020-10-27 10:24:09 AM  

006andahalf: Humans since the Bronze Age have a spent a whole lot more time under various forms of despotisms than power-to-the-people systems.  A reversion to despotism should just be viewed as a return to the long run average.  The Enligtenment was fun, but there are more important things to more important people.



"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there, now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."      ― Robert Heinlein
 
2020-10-27 10:37:56 AM  
The despotism that we will face in space is going to come in the form of corporations seeking to maximize profits, not from governments, save as the politicians that can be bribed to look the other way as cloned "indentured" workers are decanted to undercut union beamjacks and rockhoppers.
 
2020-10-27 10:39:04 AM  

dittybopper: 006andahalf: Humans since the Bronze Age have a spent a whole lot more time under various forms of despotisms than power-to-the-people systems.  A reversion to despotism should just be viewed as a return to the long run average.  The Enligtenment was fun, but there are more important things to more important people.


"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there, now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."      ― Robert Heinlein


Reminds me of how historians refer to the Carolingian 'Renaissance' in which there was an explosive flowering of culture and institutional construction.  Oh, and the Spartan kick of despotism that set off the deepest depths of medieval despotism.  All of that flowering had to get paid for somehow, why not ask the peasants to work on the dominus' land a day or two a week? That leaves 4 days to their [rented] fields, and one day to God.
 
2020-10-27 10:40:08 AM  

PaulRB: Put Donnie in charge and it'll be a comedy.

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He is, after all, surrounded by assholes.
 
2020-10-27 10:56:18 AM  
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2020-10-27 11:25:40 AM  
gee if only the person so smart as to have a PhD had imagined to consult with other fields of knowledge, they could have understood humans are simply never going to have a "space empire" like that.
 
2020-10-27 11:42:55 AM  

hubiestubert: The despotism that we will face in space is going to come in the form of corporations seeking to maximize profits, not from governments, save as the politicians that can be bribed to look the other way as cloned "indentured" workers are decanted to undercut union beamjacks and rockhoppers.


Alien-style evil space mining conglomerates do seem pretty likely to me.  After all, civilization has a rich history of forcing people to mine stuff.  Ask the Romans, or Christopher Columbus, or a lot of today's miners.

But, space, so...  count me in.  Does SpaceX have their clone vats ready yet?
 
2020-10-27 11:42:58 AM  
No space exploration until some magical peace on Earth occurs?  Yeah, no, that's just stupid.
 
2020-10-27 11:46:18 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: No space exploration until some magical peace on Earth occurs?  Yeah, no, that's just stupid.


I am still trying to figure out how to sell everyone on "peaceful competition in space", or even "casinos and robot fights in space" as a means to get countries to slowly retarget their defense industries over time.  Let's stop fighting over the Earth and move that fight out into the asteroid belt or something.

// the first rule of Vesta fight club is that there are no rules on Vesta.
 
2020-10-27 11:57:07 AM  
Does anybody think a SpaceX-run Mars Colony wouldn't look a bit like Altered Carbon w/r/t the class/wealth divide?

Just about the best case scenario is robots do all the work and the poor people stay behind on earth.
 
2020-10-27 12:12:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Military space empire?  That dude has never been to space.  It SUCKS up there.


That just means you've had a hull breach.  ISS out front should'a told ya.
 
2020-10-27 12:13:15 PM  

dittybopper: Harlee: No mention of the possibility of getting smacked down by aliens due to our bullshiat, which is what concerns Mrs. Harlee.

She doesn't have to worry.   No aliens are going to visit.  Ever.

They almost certainly exist, of course, but space is unimaginably vast, and practical methods of interstellar travel are relatively slow.  Even at near light speed, it takes years and years to get from place to place.


Imagine them Wright Brothers, thinking they can fly a heavier than air craft! HAW HAW HAW!

In objective terms, our knowledge of nature and what is possible is pretty much still in the stone age. Get back to me when we actually know what Dark Matter and Dark Energy are, and how and WHY they, and magnetism, and gravity, actually work.

I've got a mathematician/physicist friend, now retired, who told me a while back that there are actual real life degree'ed, tenured, and published physicists who think that particle entanglement could also imply spacial entanglement. Apparently it takes one or two "simple" "transform" (whatever that is) to get from one to the other.

That's where the ideas for the impulse space drive and the FTL drive in my novel come from. Just takes a metric mega shiat-ton of computer power to solve for it for anything bigger than a single proton.
 
2020-10-27 12:14:38 PM  
Evil space empire? With star destroyers or war hammers?
 
2020-10-27 12:15:44 PM  

Hate Tank: hubiestubert: The despotism that we will face in space is going to come in the form of corporations seeking to maximize profits, not from governments, save as the politicians that can be bribed to look the other way as cloned "indentured" workers are decanted to undercut union beamjacks and rockhoppers.

Alien-style evil space mining conglomerates do seem pretty likely to me.  After all, civilization has a rich history of forcing people to mine stuff.  Ask the Romans, or Christopher Columbus, or a lot of today's miners.

But, space, so...  count me in.  Does SpaceX have their clone vats ready yet?


No, they're going with Neuralink.
 
2020-10-27 12:29:19 PM  

Harlee: dittybopper: Harlee: No mention of the possibility of getting smacked down by aliens due to our bullshiat, which is what concerns Mrs. Harlee.

She doesn't have to worry.   No aliens are going to visit.  Ever.

They almost certainly exist, of course, but space is unimaginably vast, and practical methods of interstellar travel are relatively slow.  Even at near light speed, it takes years and years to get from place to place.

Imagine them Wright Brothers, thinking they can fly a heavier than air craft! HAW HAW HAW!

In objective terms, our knowledge of nature and what is possible is pretty much still in the stone age. Get back to me when we actually know what Dark Matter and Dark Energy are, and how and WHY they, and magnetism, and gravity, actually work.

I've got a mathematician/physicist friend, now retired, who told me a while back that there are actual real life degree'ed, tenured, and published physicists who think that particle entanglement could also imply spacial entanglement. Apparently it takes one or two "simple" "transform" (whatever that is) to get from one to the other.

That's where the ideas for the impulse space drive and the FTL drive in my novel come from. Just takes a metric mega shiat-ton of computer power to solve for it for anything bigger than a single proton.


'The universe is not only stranger than we imagine it to be, it is stranger than we *CAN* imagine it to be."

-- British scientist John Burton Sanderson Haldane  ("Haldane's Law")
 
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